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tonight keeping them honest with signs other times in the political climate today. they run the gambit from the downright dangerous to the nearly trembling and absurd. it's fair to ask if there is a threat connecting all of them, political philosophy of nihilism driving it or whether this was a moment for whatever reason that -- one example, new mexico, for home shot at belonging to democratic officials. the man now in custody and charged in connection with the crimes was a republican who lost the state house race in a landslide and refused to concede. >> he seemed agitated, he seemed a little aggressive to me. i did not consider him a threat then, but he was upset that he lost the election. >> that's debbie o'malley, who joins us shortly. she said police who -- may be -- who tweeted after the election, quote, trump just sentenced for

2024, i stand with him. i never conceded my h g 14 race, not considering my options. the options he allegedly chose was politically motivated, that the violence. it's a sign of the times, a few weeks after the second anniversary of the january 6th attack and the carbon copy version in brazil. also this guy, paul gosar, the 2020 election denier, once tweeted an animated style video depicting a character that looks like him committing murder against alexandra ocasio-cortez. after a speaking appearance last february at a white nationalist conference, he told melanie isn't enough, quote, to me, it was appalling and wrong. there's no place in our party for any of this, adding, quote, this is unacceptable. today, now speaker mccarthy overseeing a slim republican majority, congressman gosar got a committee seat back. the other house member who spoke to the conference also got a committee assignment

today, homeland security for congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. the one who once said this about the attack that gave rise to the very department that she now overseas. >> but we had witnessed 9/11, the terrorist attack in new york and the plane that crashed in pennsylvania, and the so-called plane that crashed into the pentagon. it's not that there is never any evidence shown for the plane in the pentagon. anyways, i would not dive into the 9/11 conspiracy. she of course has doubled if not dove into many others from qanon to white nationalism to bizarre antisemitic notions about space lasers causing california wildfires to the 2020 election. again, she is now on the committee overseeing the department of homeland security, a sign of the times. so is this, newly minted member of two house committees, george santos, serialize, who said this back in 2020 on a newly-surfaced tape about the viable team he never played for other college she never

attended. >> you know what is funny, i actually want to school on a valuable scholarship. when i wasn't baruch, we were did number one volleyball team -- >> did you graduate from there? so did i. >> i did, very cool, great school and institution, very liberal. >> we want to play against harvard, yale and we slayed them. i sacrificed both my knees and got knee replacement playing volleyball. that's how serious out of the game. >> i mean this is just weird. who lies about playing volleyball for burrow college? he never played for barack, he didn't go to brooke. i don't know what about his niece, don't know what to tell you about that. anyway, he's now on two house committees, small business and science, basin technology, perhaps a step ahead of federal investigators. harmless maybe but another sign of the times. more now on the most troubling of them the shootings to mexico

and the man -- cnn's kim la reports. >> one came right through here and then we got the, rest over here. >> about a dozen bullets embedded on the outside of w amal's home. >> i was very angry and just disgusted at the whole thing. >> these are significantly sized holes. >> they are. it was so loud. this happened when my husband and i were asleep, and my grandkids could have been spending the night. >> o'malley in mediately suspected who the gunman might be. this man. >> hi, my name is solomon peã a can i speak with debbie o'malley? >> solomon peã a, looking for o'malley, went to her daughter 's address and then to her home a month before the shooting. this is him on the other side of the fence. >> he seemed agitated, he seemed a little aggressive, to me. i didn't consider him a threat

than, but he was upset that he had lost the election. >> police arrested him monday, in connection with a string of what they called, politically motivated shootings at homes of four democratic leaders in new mexico. no one was injured. >> it is believed that he's the mastermind that was behind this. >> police say, he suspected of hiring a contractor for cash to commit at least two of the four shootings, from december 4th to january 3rd. peã a was a republican candidate for state house seat in new mexico and he spent years in prison for burglary and larceny. but a judge allowed the convicted felon to be on the ballot in 2022, calling it, unconstitutional for pena to be denied the ability to serve. he lost in november by a -- >> i had nothing more than a desire to improve -- >> landslide, then accused his opponent of rigging the

election. when we later tweeting, he never conceded the race. election denialism -- >> there are shenanigans going on. >> heard a trump rallies like this one in phoenix 2021. peã a tweeted this picture, saying he can't doubt all night to see trump. photographs of the arrest warrant show pena with one of the four suspected shooters who is in possession of a gun used in one of the shootings at the time of the arrest. police say, peã a texted the home addresses of four democratic targets to four suspects who carry out the shootings. and in an exchange, texted, they just certified it. they sold us out to the highest bidder. they were literally laughing at us while they were doing it. >> everybody is going to add to be more worried now. >> the county commissioner adrian barba was also targeted. four bullets were through her home into the room where she had just been playing with her

granddaughter. >> it makes me angry that one person, makes me angry that we have a former president and current elected officials and the highest level of government that they think it's okay to invoke violence in the situations. so, yeah, a range of emotions, from being very sad, disappointed. >> kim law joins us in a parking. what did the sources that you spoke to think are at the roots of penny's actions? >> it's a little bit of election denialism, a little bit of refusal to accept a truth, but if you talk to the victims, what they will really drill down on is that they believe this is online radicalization, as well as targeting of local officials, the mystic terrorism, is what i keep hearing from the people who are being targeted, not just here in albuquerque, anderson, happening at the local level from detroit to madison, to the east coast and west. this is something universal putting the people who have come face to face with these angry people just in the county commission meetings are city council meetings or school board meetings. as far as this larger problem, it's not over. it is continuing because of this denialism that is happening at the very highest levels of government. but as far as what is happening

here, anderson, kenya will make his first court opinions tomorrow. >> appreciate it, thank you. now the vehemently joins us. we appreciate you being with us. i'm sorry this happened to you. can you paint that's what happened what happened when your house was under gunfire? >> not initially, what happened was, my husband and i sat up in bed, i thought somebody was pounding on my door with their fist. we do have family around the corner, i thought that this is maybe some kind of emergency situation, but when we set up, we heard more shots, and we knew it was gunfire. so my husband did not discover the holes and the wall until the next day. we wish very shocked by the halting. >> solomon peã a, the man arrested for the shootings, he actually came to your house. how long before the shooting 50

come to the house, and what happened when he showed up? >> he came after the general election, november 10th. he went to my former address for us, and that is the video you are seeing now. residents told him where i was, which is fine. we do get people once in a while who come to our homes, live here. i was born here, families been here a long time, we see them. we don't normally consider that 13, so he did go to my home. he approached my gate. i did leave him there. he expressed his frustration over an election. he was very aggressive about it, very angry about it, truly and felt that, he told me, i knocked on all these doors, and it is not reflect all the doors i knocked on. i tried explaining that does not equate to door knocking to get the vote. >> wait a minute, he actually

said to you that because he was running, and he knocked on a lot of doors, the vote count was not accurate because he interacted with a lot of human beings. he thought that some of them would've voted for. >> is your district overwhelmingly democratic? mine is, the district that he is running in is like 75% performing democrats, usually a republican does not even run at artistic. >> as you see another isn't that he should not have been surprised that he lost. >> correct, if he had been thinking about it, he would've came to that conclusion, anybody would've came to that conclusion. >> do you worry that this is a sign of the times? that this is the new normal,

this kind of stuff? >> it is unfortunately, i never expected this, i've been elected local office or 20 years. i did not anticipate this at all, for this to happen to our homes, my colleagues. that's a direct that to me and my family, angers me very much, a lot of it has to do with what is going on nationally. photo fraud and what it is about people feeling cheated, and on and on. unfortunately, let's come to our home. i have neighbors who are very supportive. i have family who is very supportive. i will not let this deter what i need to do, but it's very disturbing and upsetting, nonetheless. >> it's also disturbing because

the people who are at the heart spreading this rhetoric, it does not affect them. they can do it from their well lit home studios, on podcasts and cable news shows. it is not affect them, it's the messages they're spreading going out, and apparently people like this guy runs with them and take action based on them. >> no, you are right. from the safety of their homes, you know, they're spreading these lies. we have gullible people who don't question anything. i am surprised the people who question anything at times. they end their own minds have decided that trump is all

knowing, and he's not flawed in any way, as an elected representative, i know we're off a lot. we will be questioned, we will be challenged, that is democracy, but this direct threat, these kinds of things, that's just wrong. it's an american, really. >> debbie o'malley, i really appreciate talking to you, and i am so sorry. this is just wrong that this happened to you. i really appreciate all you do, thank you. >> thank you. >> perspective now from cnn

senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, former deputy director of the fbi. and you, it's pathetic, sad that this is happening, and i think a sign of the times. >> it's pathetic inside but it's also really alarming. it's another indicator that >> in american political life and political culture. we are becoming a country where people resort to violence to settle political disputes -- we've had on the margins political groups engaged in violence in our history -- really need to rethink how they are assessing the current state of threats, internal and domestic threats, to this country and where they are coming from. this is a different place than the domestic terrorism environment we thought about and try to mitigate when i was in the fbi over the course of my career. >> what would that look? like what can the branch of the law enforcement due to respond? not just respond after the fact, to try to prevent these kinds of things from happening.

>> this isn't a situation in the fbi or any law enforcement entity can completely solve. from their perspective, there are some things they can do. the first thing is they need to really rethink how they assess and consider the threats. years ago, there was a time in this country when we posed a threat from environmental rights groups and animal rights extremists. that has passed. those groups have really receded. these domestic threats are constantly changing. it's time for the fbi to think about where the threat is actually coming from, domestically, in this country right now. i think they missed the ball in

the lead up to january 6th. i think part of that is some of this, you know, older approach to domestic terrorism where we think about distinct groups like the ku klux klan and racially motivated extremists and things like that. we are living in a different time. we have to embrace the fact or acknowledge the fact that a large part of this threat comes from a broad spectrum of groups that are united around conservative political ideology. it doesn't mean all conservatives or all republicans are domestic terrorists. i am not saying that. but many of these groups that are motivated individually by antipathy towards ethnic groups or immigrants or super focused on second amendment rights, whatever those things may be, they are united in their support for conservative politics and they are together resorting to violence. we saw it on january 6th. we've seen it in groups like the boogaloo boys and others. you are seeing it on the local level. >> appreciated. thank you. coming up, husband of missing mom and wells will be charged with murder hours from. now prosecutors say there is more evidence coming even with her body still missing. plus more in congressman george santos and his lies. someone who knew him well or they thought he did joins us

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what led prosecutors to issue it now? >> we do know one thing, anderson, and that is tomorrow that prosecutors intend to reveal more details about what they have in their case. that will happen tomorrow during brian walshe's arraignment. what we can theorize is you can see what the dea said last week, that they have recovered certain items, they have not specified what they were but one can theorize that whatever items they did get law enforcement tells us that was a hacksaw at the trash facility. the bloody material they found the trash facility, they ran these tests on these items, blood tests, dna tests, that would link those items to ana walshe. that's in addition to the other circumstantial evidence which we know they have in this case. things like the blood that was found in the basement and, a knife that was found at the home as well. that and edition to the patterns of behavior that brian we walshe exhibited after his wife's disappearance after he allegedly can sit --

conducted and internet search how to dispose and dismembered a body. these are all the things one would suspect will be revealed tomorrow and have led to this murder warrant being issued. >> some of the things revealed tomorrow, there will be new details that we have not heard at this point. >> yeah. i would imagine that, yes. that is the big question. so many people out here, anderson, have been wondering why would someone do something like this to this woman, a mother of three young children? it is something that could be presented tomorrow during the arraignment but remember also the commonwealth in massachusetts, a prosecutor does not necessarily need to show a motive for murder. in many cases, they have not done, that you don't need to show motive. you just need to show intent. however, that does not mean that is something that might be

explored and gone over during the arraignment as well. >> appreciate it. with us now chinon -- john miller, criminal defense attorney mark o'mara. john, what do you think caused prosecutors to issue the arrest for a warrant charging with murder now, just getting the evidence? >> i think they have been building towards it all last week with witnesses going into the grand jury, telling them the evidence almost as they've been finding it and i think when you add the science to that and that's the part we don't know. we have an idea of a lot of the physical evidence from the complaint issued when they charged him with misleading investigators. what the massachusetts state lab was able to play together from blood found in the basement to biological material found at this trash dump and whether they both can be matched to the wife along with a knife and other items, that would likely be the closure for the grand jury when it came to an indictment. >> the district attorney did not say what degree the murder charge is in. what do we find that out tomorrow during the arraignment?

also, based on what we know about the case, what do you think it would be? >> so it's either first-degree or second-degree. my gut is, if any domestic event like this where people know each other, traditionally is a second degree murder charge, that heat of passion type of charge, not first degree premeditated, the malice of forethought, which is necessary to the massachusetts statute to have first-degree murder. i'm suggesting, based upon that he didn't say first-degree murder in the very brief press conference today, i think we will hear second degree murder. still a life sentence in massachusetts can be paroled. i think that is probably what's going to happen. i was a bit surprised and that it happened this quickly. i think the evidence is the compelling nature that john talked about that they've been able to put together so quickly. >> mark, if he had not made those google searches, how to dispose of 115 pound woman's body, before she disappeared, had he gone to the home depot and spent $400 on dictate and plastic tarps, before she was known to have disappeared, and that might argue for first degree murder?

>> without question. that was a great question. if he hadn't any of this before the fact of the evidence of the previous disposition, malice aforethought that they need. what he did do was afterwards it was suggest the opposite. he suggested no plan, it suggests no insight as to how to do it until after it was done. now he's figuring out how to get rid of the body. >> or, john, he is a terrible -- if he in fact did it -- just didn't planted very well and thought about it afterward. there is nobody. is there a precedent for charging a murder case without a body? >> there is. think of famous cases that we know, the disappearance of a man convicted without a body. cases like the disappearance of

-- her husband -- as we learn and find out which are out of an airplane, a private plane, over the ocean, never recovered the body. he was convicted. there is also a case right there in quincy, massachusetts, dates back to 1998. the husband kills the wife. the body is never recovered. he borrowed a saw from the neighbor, threw away a mattress, some biological evidence, he was convicted and is serving two life terms. >> while. mark, cnn confirmed today that the ana walshe's employer was the first to report her missing to police. not her husband. with the other circumstantial evidence to come out so far, the internet search we talked about, it does seem like his defense attorney has her work cut out for her.

>> no question. she is a good defense attorney. i know her. but he does have her work cut out without question because it looks as though the forensic evidence is going to be compelling. it used to be 20, 30 years ago having about it was really helpful. now that forensic evidence really helps. we are looking at a second degree murder, an explanation of non intent for the crime. the cover-up is what will get the conviction. maybe with a chance for some parole after a lengthy sentence. >> what kind of details do you think would be learned at the arraignment tomorrow that would help us understand what happened? >> i think we have the potential when they release the charging documents that has the details, which the district attorney basically gave us a lot of what he had when he charged him with misleading the police. i think we will see the other half of that when they've upped the charge to murder that will tell us the answer to things like the hacksaw that was found at the garbage dump from the trash they believe was removed from his house. is there blood on their that matches? is there a bone matter? did they find bone fragments at either end, the basement or the garbage dump?

does that match to dna that they took from the children? these are the things a scientific evidence that was within the million percentages, that it would be anybody else will -- >> mark, is there any advantage for a prosecutor to try to talk about motive at a hearing tomorrow? >> they don't need it. he's not going to get on bond. if he's going to chance it with second degree, i'm presuming that, the idea of explaining some behavior, some fight, some argument going on in the past that blew up tonight, the night that she went missing, they can. but i think this prosecutor will play close to his chest. there is no report, no need to show motive at this point, so why even throw something out that can be fodder for their defense council. >> we thank you. coming up next, back to the santos story. a rare opportunity to meet someone who actually knew him. they once considered him a friend and now has other things to say about the man he knew as anthony. next.

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>> you did? >> i did. when i was at baruch, we were the number one volleyball -- >> did you graduate from baruch? did you graduate from there? so did i. >> great school. great institution. it's funny that we went to play against harvard, yale, and we flayed them. i sacrificed both my knees and got very nice -- knee replacements, playing volleyball. that's how serious i took the game. >> okay. again, he didn't go to baruch. he didn't play volleyball. i don't know how they did against harvard and yale but he wasn't on the team. i don't know if they have a volleyball team. i know about his kneecaps, if i interviewed him, i will ask him. so most of that is not true. the kneecaps, you can't vouch for one way or another. the question is, who is this guy? how long has he been this way? joining us now a onetime friend and roommate of his, gregory rory park. gregory, i appreciate you being with us. you knew him as anthony from

2013 to 2018. how long did you actually live to get? >> we were roommates for a few months and i also knew him as anthony zabrovsky. >> why did he say he had two names then? >> he used as a borowski for his friends that were -- his gofundme. he would say, well, the jews give more if you are a jew. that's why he used it for his gofundmes. >> why was he having gofundmes back then? >> he had a friends of pets united, a pet charity. it was supposed to help out with sick animals and things like that but it was actually just an article released from one of my reporter friends, who's been interviewing him a

lot about how he conned a homeless military vet out of $3,000 for his service dog. -- >> did he actually have a pet charity? did he have a pet? >> he did like dogs, yet he never had any activity as far as taking animals to the vet or buying food or when i went to visit him, when this so-called charity was active. they were getting donations. >> he told you a lot of lies about himself as well. >> yes. >> what did he say? >> he said he went to baruch, he went to nyu, he worked at goldman, citigroup. i am more apt to find a sliver

of truth than i am a lie because everything he said to me was a lie. he lied about his family having a home on nantucket, in the cape. he lied about his mother being a powerful woman in finance when she was -- she worked in a domestic capacity. >> did you actually meet his mom? >> yes. i was very close with his mother. i sent a picture of her. >> we are showing the picture. she lived in the same apartment as you and santos for a time? is that right? >> yes, she did. it was her, her daughter tiffany, and then anthony. >> did she know he was lying about stuff? >> yes. she would say, anthony and his stories. it was kind of a shame because she was a very, very sweet woman. she used to tell me that she worked her hands down to the bone to just give him a better life. in the u.s..

he didn't care. he would take her check, blow through her money. i would come back and there would be evictions, statements on the door at the house, the condo in jackson heights. i was like, you're taking your mother's paycheck, anthony, you are taking money from me. i'm assuming there must be some child support coming in for tiffany because she had not hit the age of maturity yet, where is all this money going? >> he took money from you? >> yes, i paid him for the three or four months i stayed there. >> for the rent. >> yes. >> you say santos actually stole something from you. >> yes, so many times. the main thing that really irked me was when i went to visit him in his flushing home in 2018. i came for a few days. when i got back to boston, i noticed a burberry shirt and

scarf or missing. i lose things all the time. i am terrible. but the burberry scarf, the reason why it bothered me so much was because my best friend, danielle, had given it to me on the anniversary of my grandfather's passing. it was more of a sentimental value. then a materialistic values. >> understand he was actually wearing something he took from you at a pre-january 6th rally in washington? >> yes. he has the audacity. >> he's wearing the scar -- >> a stolen scarf to an election rally. you have to love the irony. the audacity, quite frankly. i'm not sure i would have that much audacity. >> when you saw him standing here at this podium, where you like, that is the scarf that i got -- that relates to my grandmother 's death? that's got to be infuriating. >> i had a few choice words i

won't share with you. but, yes, i was livid. >> what did you think when he got elected to congress? did you know he was going to run, did you know he was running for congress? >> i knew he was planning on running. in 2019, i was reading it in the journal or something. i figured he'd run again. i never, in 1 million years, would have ever expected him to win. i feel like i am more of a chance of winning the powerball. >> does it make sense to you that this guy who you've been paying rent to, who you say it is taking money or borrowing money from his mom who's cleaning houses and has eviction notices was going to run for congress? that sounds nuts. >> i feel like if you were to campaign on pulled up by my boot straps or something,

maybe. it's just ridiculous. i really don't understand how he got it. it doesn't make sense. >> what would you say to him now? >> you need to resign. you got elected under a false pretense. and you lied. you need to resign. do the right thing, by your constituents and the people of the united states of america. we don't want you in congress. >> i also understand that his mother, has she passed? did she die? >> she did pass away, yes. >> i think i saw something in an interview given to a producer that -- did he have a gofundme for his mother's funeral? >> yes, he did.

he also spoke with a religious leader to try to raise money as well. >> and you think that was legit? >> i honestly do not know. i can just say that from my experience in dealing with him, he is not trustworthy whatsoever. he's just motivated by money. >> -- >> i don't want to make any speculations. >> gregory parker, i appreciate you being with us. thank you. >> no problem. have a good night. >> just ahead, the former president accuses evangelical leaders of disloyalty. we will talk about the very important republican demographic up for grabs in 2024. more on that ahead.

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>> the former president once close relationship with white evangelicals was the bedrock for his 2016 rise for the presidency. .. apears to be fraying, on monday, he spoke at a conservative broadcast and that's the evangelical leaders are not already endorsing his latest before the white house. >> it's great disloyalty in the world of politics, and that's a sign of disloyalty because nobody, as you know, and you would know better than anybody, because you do such a great job, nobody has ever done more for right to life than donald trump.

>> during that same interview, he appeared to deflect the blame that he and his candidates received from republicans underwhelming performance in the midterms, saying evangelicals could have quote, fought much harder. joining us now, chief correspondent and anchor kaitlan collins and chief affairs analyst, casey hunt. first of all, does it make sense that he would go on record criticizing evangelicals for not being loyal enough? >> it seems almost natural that itès an instict of his if someone brings up well, so has criticize the, that is kind of his automatic response, it's a reaction for him. for this though, it's so notable because that was such a key block for him in 2016. they helped him also in 2020. evangelical voters have put trump in the white house, so stop a december advisors about this, and they said that they view it as kind of self defeating. they're not totally surprised by it because it comes as he's having these broader fears about what the 2024 field will

look like. it is not like the idea that anyone is challenging him but they hear him go after them and to say that they did not fight hard enough for the 2022 midterm elections basically saying that once the supreme court had overturned roe v. wade, which is obviously something that motivated them to go to the polls for so long, people i was speaking to said it was self defeating for him to go after their group to help him so much after the one win which is what they said they put him in the white house, to appoint conservative judges. >> casey, he did deliver for evangelical voters, whether he truly believed in what he was doing or not, he did deliver what he had been saying he would, for many other politicians, republicans had promised to evangelical voters over the years in presidential races and not actually delivered on. it was always a marriage of convenience. when you have mike pence running for president, it's obvious why a lot of evangelicals, if he could win, would probably prefer him. >> anderson, forgive me, i've lost you there for a second, so i may not have gotten the full

question, i was listening to what caitlin was saying earlier, and i think the reality here is that politics is not the mob, right? it's not all about loyalty, it's about winning. evangelical leaders, in particular, saw the trump loss of the 2020 election, and now they have other choices. none of them want to get on board with a losing train before they actually see what their options are here. i think that helps explain the actions of a lot of these leaders. kaitlan's right, this is an important block for trump. it's an important block for any conservative candidate. he worked really hard putting out a letter saying that i will nominate these judges if you elect me. he did a lot of things to make sure he had trusted locker, but the reality is that the trust is broken when he lost, and they know that it's unlikely that he eventually will win the white house again or

potentially could be the toughest horse to get behind here. >> caitlin, i interviewed bart brabara, he's a very earnest, straightforward guy, not a mega church pastor, head of the largest evangelical organization. he clearly said that he would back pants and a primary. he would have no problem, and in a general, he was saying let's see who the other candidates are. the fact that there are other republicans in the race who's morality--not only support the same policies that trump supported, but whose morality is not as questionable as trump's, it's understandable why so many evangelical leaders would be hoping that those would rise. >> if tim scott gets in the race, you could see who the preferred candidate would be. not the guy of two currently answers one of his favorite

books of the bible. >> or that he's never asked for forgiveness. >> he's never asked for forgiveness. it was a marriage of convenience. they knew that he would do what they wanted, which was to appoint conservative judges to the supreme court that would overturn roe v. wade. there is a whole other fascinating aspect of that given mitch mcconnell, another feud with trump. i think that it was clear that is why there are looking at it this way. it's not just that pastor as well, but look at jon robertson who said that he was critical of trump in the fall, saying that he was an elementary school kid, that he would try to give him this advice and stop tweeting, stop shooting from the hip. he will continue to do so. you've seen robert jeffries who said, i will support a group of nominees, also to support trump if he's the nominee, but make clear that he does not necessarily think he'll get involved. others are making a plan to. rob desantis's campaign, where they said got as a fighter and protector, essentially, he made iran to ron desantis, they are

going for that group. >> casey, mike pence has a book tour based in evangelical churches around the country. >> yeah, he sure does. he's a very natural candidate for this group. this has been his rock solid block for his entire political career. now, that said, i think there are questions across the board about what pence's constituency is considering, where he stands with donald trump, and one question i have, we talk about evangelical leaders, there have been leaders that found that their flock does not necessarily follow them on things like this. i'd be interested to see if many of these congregations the don't still harbor a lot of the people that actually support donald trump, and the leaders might find that they're under pressure from the. it will be my question as we head into the campaign season. >> yeah, it's a good point. casey hunt, kaitlin collins, thank you so much. ahead, a child wavering around what would turn out to be a loaded handgun and an apartment complex. this video right there, have been on live television. one man now under arrest, more new details ahead.

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>> a man in indiana facing a felony child neglect charge after video played on live television showed his purported child waving around what turned out to be a loaded gun in the entryway of an apartment

complex. police officer on the scene says the man told him he was ill and did not know the child had left the apartment. cnn jean cazares has more. >> police in beech grove, indiana, respond to a 9-1-1 call. there is a person with a gun in the hallway of an apartment complex. when police arrive, a neighbor tells them it was a toddler holding a gun. >> my son opened the door, and the little boy upstairs was down there with a firearm. >> police immediately make their way to the apartment on january 14th at 6:13 pm. >> hello. police. apartment seven -- >> police say it was a toddler, wearing only a diaper, who opened the door. a man enters from a back room. >> we are here because the downstairs neighbor said they saw your son running around with something they thought was a silver handgun. >> the man, shane osborne, says

he has been ill all day and didn't know the toddler had left the apartment. he further advised there was not a firearm in the home nor did ko have any toy guns. the officers do a cursory search. nothing in plain view. so they leave with one last comment to osborne. >> you might want to do a better job of locking your doors. >> i will. >> as police are leaving the apartments, that first neighbor insists the toddler was waving a real gun. >> that baby had a gun. he went into that -- he had a gun. he pointed at me and said, look what i got. >> officers keep going. they are almost out the door, another neighbor emerges asking them to look at recorded security camera footage on her phone. there he is. the toddler waving a gun and pulling the trigger. >> let's go back out there.

>> they enter the apartment a second time. >> we have video of your kid holding a gun. so you have a gun. >> i don't have it. i never have brought a gun in this house. there isn't a gun. >> we need to figure out where the firearm is. >> with consent to search, they now look everywhere. >> where did you put down that toy? >> osborne assists them and so does the toddler. it was the toddler who finally motioned to a roll top desk. neatly placed inside was a loaded nine millimeter pistol with 15 rounds in the magazine. no rounds were in the chamber so the gun could not fire. osborne, the boy's purported father, is arrested. >> after speaking to on-call prosecutors, they said there's enough for child neglect as a felony since it was a loaded firearm that he was unsupervised with. >> this is incredible.

>> and it's the truth. it's real. the body cameras, thank goodness they had them, right? osborn's initial court appearance at thursday 8:00. these are arresting charges, neglect of a dependent or a child. the prosecutor can add more charges. they can opt not to prosecute in the. and i looked at the law. this is a felony that right now he's being arrested on. it's knowingly or intentionally putting that child in danger, knowingly, intentionally. he said he didn't know there was a gun. he also said that he has a cousin and his cousin will leave the gun at the apartment every now and then when he is feeling mentally unstable. >> oh, that's good. >> but he said the gun is always in his room. he said, i have never brought a gun in. knowingly, intentionally. did he know? >> thank goodness for those neighbors. if you see something, say something. >> the police were going to leave. because they d