just after the top of the hour, i'm john berman. >> and i'm bianna golodryga. prosecutors say he's been charged with the murder of his still missing wife. >> that's just the beginning. some of his searching were extraordinarily gruesome. prosecutors say evidence of blood was found in walshe's car, and he found protective suits, mops, cleaning supplies. we're outside the courthouse.

this was an extraordinary level of detail, bryn, some of which we never have heard before. >> reporter: just stunning detail of the actions the prosecutors say brian walshe took after his wife ana disappeared, not before, but after. a number of google searches on his son's ipad. take a listen to just some of them. >> at 4:55 a.m., he searched how long before a body starts to smell. at 4:58 a.m., how to stop a body from decomposing. at 5:20 a.m., and 5:47, ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you really need to. at 6:25 on the 1st, how long for

someone to be missing to inherit. at 6:45 on january 1st, how to throw away body parts. >> reporter: prosecutors say the google searches continued into the following day, laying out each more evidence, saying they had surveillance video of someone who appeared to look like brian walshe throwing away a number of bag at a number of location. they were able to find, including ana's covid-19 card, a necklace. dna traces on a number of items both ana walshe or brian or both. again, google searches were also, according to prosecutors, prior to january 1st. he said he was googling on december 27th which state is best to divorce -- is the best

place to have a divorce. at that point, obviously, too emotive there. my colleague is inside the courtroom. he said that brian walshe essentially was just stoic through all of this, didn't really react to all the evidence being laid ute in front of him. he's now being held without bond and of course now will be in course in february. we, of course, will continue to follow this, guys. >> there was a live camera. we saw the stoneface as all of these details were laid out. britain gingras, thank you. the big question we asked is how can you charge someone with murder and improperly moving a body without that body? now we know. this is a plethora of detail they laid out. the gruesome searches he made. what stood out? >> so much to unpack. the searches really gave

investigators a blueprint of what to look for and where to look. what stood out to me, the first thing you have to do in a no-body murder kay is prove the person is indeed deceased. we have all the messages about disposal of a body, then the forensic evidence, now brian walshe in the evidence where that evidence and looked evidence, hacksaw, where that was found. that's how prosecutors put together that evidence. how dos dismember a body? how long will it take a body to disintegrate, form formaldehyde. and another interesting aspect, we're seeing motive. we're seeing motive come together from those messages. a google search, where is the best place to get divorced on december 27th. later, how long does somebody

have to be missing in order to collect an inheritance. the story is really coming together. those google searching, they were essential to putting together the pieces. >> interesting in terms of what was found in dumps terse. they say they visited several dumps terse. some of the items he placed in dump terse have been destroyed or incinerated. that could be -- this could be, they think, maybe the body itself. what they did find is some of the tools, and blood with dna on it. what rules, if any, exist? does the absence of a body harm their case? >> absence after body is always a hurdle, because the body tells the story. it tells the where, the when and the how. it's the single best piece of evidence for prosecutor to say establish a murder occurred. however, in this particular

case, now we have items directly linked back to ana in that dumpster. what prosecutors will have to show without a body is that a human being could not have survived whatever happened at the location in that basement that the body parts are incinerated. that's why we saw linking where that evidence was back to bruin walshe, being in the area linked back to the messages. the answer is there's always going to be a problem for prosecutors with no body, but with the advancement in forensics, it's not an impossible hurdle. >> if i could quickly get you to weigh in, he did mislead investigators long enough we believe the body had been incinerated. does that make it harder for them, given the few days he was misleading and lying to them? >> it is more difficult. now investigators have lost days

where they could have identified additional evidence to link him to the murder and in fact prove a murder occurred. it's a hurdle, but the messages, that really closes the gap there, because it tells the story and it links all of that forensic evidence. it gives a motive, which is something we did not necessarily expect to hear today, in writing from the defendant. only time will tell how that plays out. i think right now we have a strong circumstantial case. >> thank you. they're gearing up for a fight as the u.s. is to hit the borrowing cap tomorrow. that is the debt ceiling. with me is chris van hollen, a member of the budget appropriation and foreign relations committees. >> good to be with you.

>> yesterday you want there would be no negotiations over the debt ceiling, paying our bills on time. if there's not any negotiation, how's there an agreement to raise it? >> well, john, we cannot negotiate over whether the united states pays its bills on time. at the end of the day we have always paid our bills. if we stop doing that, you'll have an economic catastrophe. what we're saying is house republicans don't get to demand that we enact that are right-wing agenda in exchange for them doing what we all should do, which is pay our bills on time. i think you'll hear in the coming weeks and months about the discharge petition in the house, looking for a few house republicans to join with democrats to get this done. >> aside from a discharge petition, and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it -- that's a legislative maneuver of

getting it around the speaker -- how would you convince them to vote to raise it without a gears? negotiation? >> we're going to rely on the american people and small businesses and everybody else in the country, which is really all of us, to remind them of the catastrophic consequences of being reckless, and refusing to vote to increase the debt ceiling. again, i think as your viewers have learned over the years, we're talking about paying bills that are due and owing. if we woke up this morning saying we're not going to pay or mortgage or car payment, there would be consequences. if the united states wakes up one day and says we're not going to pay our bills on time, it's a meltdown for the economy. so i think as the clock ticks,

republicans have to face the consequences. >> you really think this is going to change their mind? i mean, have you met them? >> well, they're very far out there, no doubt about it. now they're signing a bunch to the oversight committee, but, but we don't need a lot. because the margins are so tight in the house, we just need a handful of house republicans to do the right thing and sign a discharge peatition, and avoid default. if speaker mccarthy and others will not do the rational, the right thing for the country, we're just hoping for a few, john, republicans who don't want the united states to default on its debt for the first time in its history. >> i think you used the words

economic catastrophe, you're willing to risk that by saying you're not going to talk at all. >> we're not risking it. we're willing to vote today. secretary yellen told us yesterday the date is probably sometime around early june. no, we're willing to vote today to do the right thing, to prevent any economic catastrophe. what republicans are saying -- i just want everyone to understand -- you have to enact our right-wing agenda, we don't know if it's cuts to social security, defense, non-defense, education -- in exchange for doing what we all should do under our sworn responsibilities, which is to protect the country, and that, of course, includes the economy. >> you, of course are in the senate, but you're an alum of the house. you mentioned committee assignments a moment ago. george santos, congressman from

new york, who has admitted to lying about his resume, got committee assignments. what do you think of that? >> i think it's interesting that republicans said they were going to assign him to insignificant committees. now they're apparently telling all the small business men and women in the country, that the small business committee is insignificant, and they're willing to assigned george santos there. i don't think he should be in congress, but i think it is very telling about, you know, the double talk republicans use for small businesses, that they decided to put him on that which they have described as an insignificant post. >> what questions do you have for the biden white house on the classified documents that have now been found at an office and his private residence?

have they been forthcoming enough? >> i do, john, think they've been forthcoming. they have provided the documents to the national archives, as they should. of course, now the attorney general has appointed a special counsel to look into this. that will be the forum for review of the president and those documents, but again, the question is what did they do when they discovered it? they self-reported and did the right thing. when you look at what the former president did, it was the opposite. he didn't self-report. he took the documents. the big issue legally has been what did he do when the government asked for the documents back, for the unauthorized documents to come

back. that's the question. in the biden case, they decided to provide them themselves. in the case of donald trump, he resisted all the efforts to return them, including a subpoena. that's why that case is where it is right now. >> senator chris van hollen from maryland, we appreciate seeing you this morning. thanks for joining us. still to come this hour, top ukrainian officials, parents and young children killed when a helicopters crashed outside a kindergarten near kyiv. we'll take you live to the scene next. plus the mastermind behind shootings. we'll show you the interaction with one of his alleged targets. a dire plea for basic necessity. the water war in arizona, as official tried to trade the blame. rivate bank we will work with you every step of the way

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well, this morning crews have ended search-and-rescues operations afternoon a helicopters crashed outside a kinder garden in kyiv as parents were taking their children to school. we know that 14 people are dead, along with at least one child. kyiv mayor paid his respect to the victims from davos this morning.

>> a young guy, doing a lot of things -- we -- for ukraine, for his family and the children. >> president zelenskyy called it a terrible tragedy. clarissa ward is there. what have you learned about this incident? >> reporter: we know that ukrainian security services, the svu have opened what they call a pretrial investigation to try to determine what happened and how it happened. at this stage, john, there's no indication that foul play was a factor. the weather this morning was very bad. we spoke to people, neighbors around here who said the fog was so thick they couldn't even see the crash right away, they could

hear it first. we know, of course, now 14 people were culled, all nine on board, including the interior minister, his deputy, and six others, but the others killed on the ground were basically parents dropping their kids off at the school. at least one child among the dead. we saw them moving the bodies out of the area, as they combed through the wreckage of the kinder garden best hind me. the search-and-rescue component is now over, but you may be able to see occasional in the background some spotlights and stuff, because out other side of the kinder garden, they are still combing through the wreckage. we know they do have the black box. they hope to get some answers, but the sense on the ground is this is just an overwhelmingly tragic event, and frankly an eye

vent ukraine didn't need right now in the wake of all the suffering they have got through. >> this is a tragedy on top of a daily tragedy for that country. well, there is understandably an outpouring and condolences from leaders from around the world. >> we are hearing the first lady of ukraine -- horrible day for ukraine. in helicopter crash we lost the interior minister and his colleagues, but the biggest tragedy is the death of children. my thoughts are with the victims' families. wish the injured a speedy recovery. >> this comes just hours before president zelenskyy is set to address world leaders in davos. claire, zelenskyy, when he often speaks to anybody, calls for more support.

what do you expect today? >> you know, john, i think he will pick up where his wife, the first lady, left off to her speech in leaders in davos, saying you are not using your influence enough to address the situation in ukraine, to stop this war from spilling over. this comes in a moment where we have seen the western alliance reinforced base d on the attac of dnipro, with the uk crossing the rubicon, and all the support and outpouring we have seen. but there is a debate now about whether this strategy is actual -- blinken said evolves the support to the situation on the battlefield is really enough, or should the world be getting out in front of a

situation that's clearly growing worse by the day, and giving ukraine more of what it needs. we're talking about an 800-mile front line, so there's a lot of debate whether that will make much difference. there are, of course, real considerations for countries providing these situation. when will russia see this as an escalation, appeared what kind of revenge could they seek? those are the considerations at the moment, but we do expect to hear more fro president zelenskyy along the lines of his wife. >> the united kingdom is offering about 14 tanks, and the ukrainian war general said they need about 300, but the u.s. is expected to announce once again one of the largest military aid packages in the next few dales. tell us what we can expect to hear from the united states specifically on this ongoing

request for more tanks. >> it's unclear at this point. the momentum seem to be providing ukraine with more what it needs. globally we know there was a conversation between president biden and the german chancellor. there's a lot of pressure on germany to provide tanks, or at least export of those tanks, and there's a meeting in ramstein this week, and we're expecting more pledges of support. but, of course, as you say, u.s. officials are telling cnn that they expect one of the biggest aid package foss ukraine yet. we just don't know whether that will include battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, or whether they'll go one step further is not clear. the consideration is always what will be the reaction from

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what are you and your family to do having to security water at this san antonio -- point? >> we've had a lot of rain recently. we have collected a lot of rain and using that to flush our toilets, to rinse dishes before they go into the dishwasher, and taking a two-gallon shower. right now it's just my husband and i, so we are using about 13 1/2 gallons a day out of our tank of water that we have. i will say on average a single person uses 100 gallons. we're doing a pretty good job at being conservative, and we encourage, of course our neighbors are all trying to conserve as much as we can. we have a very limited supply now. >> in terms of accountability, karen, i know you are blaming

this current situation on the county. the county is blaming the city of scottsdale. i'm just wondering, are you frustrated with the city, the county? who ultimately are you holding accountable here? >> for me personally, the maricopa county board of supervisors i hold responsible. we have 559 residents who signed a petition to create a water district for this community that would have brought enough water for this entire community. we have a water source ready to go to start january 1st. if we had been approved, we would not be having this conversation. i will tell you we have our financials reviewed by the rural association assistance corporation via the u.s. department of agriculture. we have very good financials in place, a good financial plan, and the fact that we were turned down when the board of

supervisors had no other plan for you? it's just not right that we're going through this. >> how long can you stay? you're using 13 gallons a day. right notice you say the arch person using 100 gallons a day. how long can live like this? >> my husband and i are super -- very, very fruitsal. we can go for a bit, but others have animals, horses, children, that kind of thing. it's a hard way to live, kind of think like when you're camping almost, you know? they're using just a quarter come if you're going to wash your hands. that type of thing it's tough. we need a solution, and my heart just breaks for my whole community. you know, we need a solution. >> i know that you and the community have been warned of this possibility over the last

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that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck. the cdc's credibility and effectiveness have come under the microscope during the pandemic. now, a new report suggests the agency is in a, quote, moment of

peril. >> the nonpartisan group that created the report found that they need a significant reset, calling it an urgent matter of national security, but it says the agency requires support at the federal level to make that happen. elizabeth cohen joins us now. you've been covering this and the cdc and what's been going on inside there no years now. what are the specific recommendations? >> john, it's so interesting. i think the decline has been going on for many, many years. we didn't really notice, because it wouldn't needed as much as when it was during the pandemic. that's when the holes became obvious. this is not by any report by any think tanks, it's co-authored by real political, managerial luminaries, including the former director of the cdc, dr. julie

gerberding. it is notoriously siloed, one center is doing one thing, one center is doing another, they're assigned different things. they don't really cooperate or talk with each other as much as they should. some of the things the cdc can't do on its own. that includes if you saidingy congress in a different way. right now they are so limited as to what they're allowed to do. for example, when there was a case of polio in the orth orthodox jewish community this summer, they just wanted to hire a woman who knew everybody and could help, but they couldn't because of the way it's funded. cdc is head quartered in atlanta. many people say that's a strength from being away from d.c., but she doesn't you don't think so. if you're going to play the

game, you have to be in the game, and it's not played in atlanta, unless, of course, you're a fan of baseball -- or a fan of that baseball team. as a longtime atlanta resident, as i am, that was very hard to hear. bianna, john? >> it is interesting. the cdc will be pulled into politics. to be in atlanta, you could see how that could be seen as a bit of a disadvantage. thank you very much. thank you all for joining us today. i'm bianna golodryga. >> and i'm john berman. "at this hour with kate bolduan" be gins right now. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. we're going to start in ukraine, where 14 people are dead now -- at least 14 people, after a helicopter crash near a kinder

garden outside kyiv. also, any minute we'll be hearing from president zelenskyy himself. he'll be speaking at the world economic forum in davos. i do want to go first to fred pleitgen, who is standing by in ukr ukraine. fred, what are you learning? >> reporter: hi there, kate. we're in a residential area just outside of kyiv, in a place called bovari. it's already pretty dark here. it's difficult to see a lot of -- for some sort of -- where you see the two trucks, that's exactly where that helicopter came down. we were able to speak to an eyewitness a couple minutes ago. that eyewitness said it was coming in low. to that eyewitness i