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shootings at the homes of local democratic officials. solomon pena faces a slew of charges including conspiracy, attempted aggravated battery for the attempted attacks. >> he lost by a margin of more than 50%. police say he visited the homes of at least three of the officials before the shootings. some of those visits were caught on doorbell cameras. cnn's josh campbell joins us now. what do we expect at the hearing? >> reporter: this hearing is starting just minutes from now there in new mexico. this will be the suspects a first appearance in court since he was arrested by albuquerque s.w.a.t. officers on monday. look it a these charges. they're obviously very serious. he's been charged with felony possession of a firearm, aggravated attempt with a deadly weapon, as well as conspiracy. we've reached out to pena's attorney, but what police allege he was the ringleader in this conspiracy to target democratic officials in new mexico, shooting at four homes. this came after pena allegedly
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went to the homes of three of these elected officials, essentially berating them, very erratic claiming he believed that he won his election despite losing it in a landslide. authorities released in this criminal affidavit a litany of evidence they have. it includes the firearms that were recovered. it includes a cell phone technology they were able to use and analyze to put him in the location around these areas. they also have a cooperating witness, and someone with someone has flipped is providing information to authorities. a very strong case there. again, you look at the alleged motive here. this is someone who is motivated by election lies it appears. that has drawn the ire of law enforcement. a prosecutor there in new mexico was on cnn this morning slamming these political lies that have resulted in this violence in this case. take a listen. >> it is unacceptable at every level. it doesn't matter if they're democrats or republicans. this kind of violence, carrying
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out your politics or election denying or whatever it might be with acts of violence, shooting firearms into homes, is unacceptable. we're going to do everything we can to bring all the individuals involved, including mr. pena to justice. >> reporter: this hearing is about to get under way. we expect it to be brief, but one key thing we're watching is whether the judge in this case determines if the suspect is an ongoing threat to the public, if he is remanded without bond. >> thank you. >> thank you, josh campbell. joining us is one of the officials targeted by pena. this is debbie o'malley. ch commissioner, thank you so much for being here. can you describe what happened that night? it was december 11th. it was the middle of the night. you and your husband were asleep in your home, and what happened? >> well, we heard loud banging. we both sat up at the same time.
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that's pretty unusual. when we both got up, that banging continued, and we realized it was gunfire. we did, you know, get up, look at ring cameras in our gate, and we thought, well, somebody's on the property. so we were shocked, my husband was to see a day later, the bulletle bullet holes in our wall. >> we see that on the screen. is it true you figured out pretty quickly who was behind it? >> well, i had -- the only unusual thing that had happened was this visit from this individual who was clearly agitated and, you know, upset about the election. this has been said many times, this is -- he ran in a seat that
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is 75% performing democrat. >> yeah. >> so did he do that on purpose so he could cry foul and become some sort of a martyr? anybody would know that, that the likelihood of you winning as a republican in that district, you know, very, very small chance of that happening or none. so yeah. right out of the gate, he told me that it equated knocking on so many doors with what he felt should have been votes for him and i told him it doesn't work that way. he did hand me a -- some papers that at first, the first was a letter asking me to respond, and then a lot -- the rest of it was just downloaded from websites that talk about fraud, election fraud. >> so commissioner, we're looking at the doorbell cameras right now. first, before you had that
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encounter with him, he went to a different home that was not yours. he believed it was yours, but it wasn't, and he tried to find you. >> yes. >> so let's listen to that for a moment. >> hello? >> hi. my name's solomon pena. can i speak with debbie o'malley? >> she doesn't live here anymore. >> the public record says she owns this. do you know where she lives? >> yeah. she lives around the corner. [ bleep ]. >> okay. so the homeowner knew where you lived, told him. he then went to your house, and we see you have that actual encounter with him at the outside gate. what did he say -- when he approached, what exactly did he say to you and what did you say to him? >> well, he approached. i was, you know -- i stepped out and i was outside on the porch and he's, like, you know, shouting me down, and i go there, and he said, you know, i want to talk to you and he explained that -- that he was
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upset, that he felt he should have won the election, and i knew of him. i had not spoken to him before. i had not met him. i knew of him because he was challenged in court to be on the ballot because he's a felon. so yeah. i didn't, you know, honestly i didn't feel threatened. i knew that he was agitated, and because this hasn't happened before here. i have been elin elected office for 24 years. i've never have anything like this happen here. >> this is unfortunately a new era. commissioner as you know, he has a court appearance today. what do you want to happen to pena? >> he needs to remain in custody. he has to have a trial. i mean, he -- he needs to be accountable for what he's done, and this man is dangerous. based on what you are, you know,
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what you are seeing and the evidence that's coming forward, i know you're guilty or not guilty -- you're not guilty until proven innocent and that sort of thing, and evidence is pretty clear it seems to me, and that's why he's been arrested. yeah. but this -- this kind of action, it's just so disturbing to me. it really saddens me that people would do things like that. i do believe that, you know, my level of vulnerability has certainly gone up. i've never felt that way. this community i've lived in, i was born in albuquerque, so my family has been here a long time. i know a lot of people. i've got a really strong, supportive community, you know, strong family. families here, just never expected anything like this. it was just very shocking, very disturbing. >> yeah. understood. it's disturbing for all of us in the abstract, but you've just lived through what appears to be
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political violence. commissioner -- former commissioner, debbie o'malley, we appreciate you taking time to tell us what happened, and we'll be watching the case very closely. >> of course. all right. bye-bye. prosecutors in massachusetts have laid out their case against brian walshe. he's accused of killing his wife ana and dismembering her body. he appeared on murder charges. prosecutors revealed chilling new details about the evidence they've collected so far. >> also dozens of internet searches they say walshe made from his son's ipad. we have britain ynn gingras. what are you hearing? >> reporter: just a number of those google searches that prosecutors say brian walshe made on the day that ana walshe disappeared. substaequent days, and some included how long before a body starts to smell. can you identify a body with broken teeth? what happens to hair on a dead
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body, and that's just a few of them. they also laid out a number of evidence that they found at a trash distribution site that we have been seeing video for for the last couple of weeks when investigators were there. they said they found a number of items with the dna of ana and brian walshe and personal items including her covid-19 vaccine card, a purse, the clothes she's believed to be last seen wearing, and it goes on and on, including investigators say, they found a number of pieces of evidence regarding his car when they went to the couple's home doing a well-being check. take a listen. >> on january 4th, when the police went to the house on the well-being check, officers observed his volvo with seats down and a plastic liner in the back of the car. the next day, a view of the volvo showed his seats folded down, and a pocket appeared to
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show fresh vacuum streaks. when asked about the liner, he said he threw it in the trash. they analyzed the car, and there was presence of blood in the car. >> reporter: as far as a motive, prosecutors say that walshe was also googling about divorce. now, he has pleaded not guilty to these new charges. his defense attorney releasing a statement in it. he says, it is easy to charge a crime and even easy to say a person committed that crime. it's a much more difficult thing to prove it. in my experience, whereas here the prosecution leaks so-called evidence to the press before they provide it to me, their case isn't that strong, and he's going to be back in court next week. really quickly, i want to mention i talked to ana walshe's former co-worker and friend. she reached out getting applications to hopefully bring them into a new home where they could remain together, but she watched this on tv just like many of us saw this, and was
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stunned by the amount of evidence against brian walshe. >> this at its heart is a family tragedy. thank you very much, brynn. with us now to discuss the latest is attorney and legal affairs commentator areva martin and jennifer coffindaffer. she's also the ceo of firearms beyond international. thank you very much for being here. areva, in all of our reporting, i think it is fair to say we have never seen such a damaging and astonishing set of google searches that police say brian walshe did that morning, the morning that his wife, ana, went miss. brynn read some of them, but i think they bear repeating. how long for someone to be missing to inherit money? can you throw away body parts? what how long does dna last? can i.d.s be made on partial
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remains? dismemberment. how to clean blood from a wooden floor. what happens when you put body parts in ammonia? is it better to put your crime scene clothes away or wash them? i mean, tell me, areva, this is an open and shut case. >> yeah, this is pretty overwhelming evidence, alisyn. we forgot to mention the one where he says, can you be prosecuted for murder without a body? this amount of evidence, the attorney says she doesn't think there's enough to hold him accountable. she says you can charge a crime, but getting a conviction is different, and she's right. there is, you know, the standard in this kind of case, would be proving him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but we have not -- the prosecution only has not only those google searches, but cell phone data and dna evidence. this is a mound of evidence that this defendant would have to overcome to not be found guilty of killing his wife. i don't think that's possible, given what the prosecution has laid out so far.
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these google searches are incredibly incriminating. you put that with the dna evidence. you put that with the cell phone data. this is going to be a very, very difficult case for any defense attorney to overcome. >> jennifer, and add the that list the ten trash bags of potential evidence that were collected we learned from the prosecutor. jennifer, the question of why. motive here. brynn mentioned some google searches about divorce, but this is as i've said before, a very intimate, close-contact way to kill if brian walshe is indeed convicted of this. how relevant is motive here when you have all of this evidence? >> i think motive is always relevant. that's what a jury wants to understand and hear no matter how strong evidence may be. they want to understand the why, and this why seems to be pretty evident. this is a case of domestic violence that rose to the highest level, murder, stabbing.
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it's passionate, and it was clear he wanted out of this marriage. there was another google search about how long he would have to wait for a missing person to be missing before he could collect inheritance. so clearly there are some well-established motives that are laid out in those google searches. >> yeah, and areva -- this wasn't his first brush with the law. in the past, in various court documents, he was referred to by witnesses or people who knew the family that he was a sociopath, and we've remarked before, his affect, his expressions, his facial expressions are strange. there's that -- we have the video of him when he's first, you know, been arrested and he's smiling at all the cameras and then in court today, we see him, you know, they're reading this long list of horrible, gruesome things, and he's not blinking. he's sort of just staring ahead. he's impassive. do you have any thoughts on what kind of criminal this is? >> yeah. i think, alisyn, you make a good
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point about those records relate to the other charges that have been filed against brian walshe. he was under house arrest for selling phony artwork, and he hadn't been sentenced for that crime. there was a letter from his wife, ana walshe where she's pleading with the judge to be lenient towards him and also other documents in that court file that talk about his psychiatric issues, mental health issues that he's had. they talk about the impact of his mother and father's divorce on him, and how that divorce and treatment by his mother and father impacted him mentally and psychologically. so i think we're going to see a lot of that evidence brought into now what has been -- now what is the murder charges that have been filed against him as it relates to his wife. so i'm not surprised by the affect. i'm not surprised by what we've seen to date in court because it is consistent with that record
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that is established in that other case where he was charged for passing the phony art. >> his defense attorney says the prosecutors don't have a strong case. sounds pretty strong. areva and jennifer, thank you both. >> thanks. gearing up for 2024, the trump campaign is asking facebook to unblock the former president's account. how the company's responding. and the controversy surrounding george santos just won't quit. new allegations against the embattled congressman, this time involving veterans. a dying dog and thousands of dollars. that's next. save up to $150 a year on your energy bill? how? ththe lower the temp, the lower your bill. tide cleans grgreat in cold and saves money? i am so in. save $150 when you turn to cold with tide. ♪ well, the stock is bubbling in the pot ♪ ♪ just till they taste what we've got ♪ [ tires squeal, crash ] when ownin a small business gets real, progressive gets you right back living the dream. now, where were we? a small business gets real, [ eering ]
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i don't know that it's actually shocking -- allegation today against george santos, an em battled republican who em brelished his resume. santos promised to raise funds for a life-saving surgery for one of their dogs, and then just took the money. >> that's the shocking part. i mean, not necessarily that george santos has another claim against him, but that you know how people -- i mean, if you haven't been upset about george santos thus far, this might take it. >> taking the money away. >> the pitbull was named sapphire and died about six months after they last made contact with santos. cnn's eva mckend joins pus. what do we know about this? >> reporter: this is a very sad story. cnn spoke with u.s. navy vet rich ossoff. he told us his pitbull sapphire began developing a tumor in 2015. it began growing in the following year. ossoff was homeless at the time. he got connected with santos who
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he knew then as anthony devolder. santos set up a gofundme account for rich and the dog, but when rich tried to access the funds, $3,000 for the life-saving surgery, he kept having to jump through hoops and he never got the money. the dog ultimately died. santos is denying the allegations, telling the new site the story is fake and he has no clue who this person is. now cnn reached out to santos' lawyer, and his congressional office for comment. we'll let you know if they get pack to us. in the meantime, we are hearing from gofundme. they tell us when we received a report of santos' -- of an issue with the fund-raiser in late 2016, our trust and safety team sought proof of the delivery of funds from the organizer. the organizer failed to respond which led to the fund-raiser being removed and the email associated with that account prohibited from further use on our platform. gofundme has a zero tolerance
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policy for misuse of our platform and cooperates with law enforcement investigations of those accused of wrongdoing. so this, of course, is not an isolated story of santos' shady dealings. victor and alisyn, this is part of a troubling pattern of allegations. >> it certainly is, and the list gets longer nearly every day. eva mckend, thank you so much. now to this, former president donald trump's campaign is petitions facebook to unblock his account. the social media company blocked him after his response to the january 6th insurrection. >> cnn's kristen holmes and oliver darcy with us. kristen, let's start with you and what the trump campaign is arguing here. >> well, victor and alisyn, the campaign is saying that not being on facebook is hindering trump's free speech, particularly now that he has announced candidacy for office in 2024. in this letter, he asks to meet with meta.
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he says donald j. trump is a declared candidate for president of the united states. we believe that the ban has dramatically distorted and inhibited the public discourse. moreover, every day his voice remains silenced, furthers interfering in the election process. here's the other part of this, though. this is obviously -- not surprising he's talking about free speech here. that's going to be one of the major platforms of his 2024 campaign. we've reported on that before, but the other part that's not in this letter is about money. that's something you need a lot of if you are running for president, and we know from sources that not being on facebook has hurt trump's fund-raising. it has stopped his ability to find new donors. it has also hindered him from putting advertisements out even in his own voice that might get more donations and this is particularly interesting given the fact we have heard from so many megadonors who said they will not back trump this cycle. finding those donors becomes more important. the other thing to pay attention
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to, and oliver will have more on this, that facebook was deliberating whether or not to let trump back on. it just appears now that the campaign wanted to accelerate that process. >> okay. so oliver, i think we still associate trump with twitter. >> yeah. >> we don't necessarily remember his presence on facebook. so what will their response be? >> we don't know yet. facebook isn't responding directly to this letter, but they have said as a company that they do expect to let us know whether trump will be allowed back on the platform within the coming weeks. so we should have something soon, and i think it's important to point out while this will also have ramifications for the 2024 election cycle, whether trump can raise fun and advertise and other things on facebook, it's also going to have implications for free speech on the platform. this is a massive decision facebook is going to have to make and it'll have ramifications for a wider amount of subject matter moving forward. >> all right. we'll see how he uses these
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plart forms other than truth social over the next couple of months the years. thank you both for the reporting. in an attempt to differentiate his case from president biden's, former president trump has a new line of defense. the classified folders he kept, he says they were just a, quote, cool keepsake. we'll discuss. ♪limu emu & doug♪ hey, man nice pace! clearly, you're a safe driver. you could save hundreds for sa driving clearly, yowith liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance... ...so yoonly pay for what you need! [squawks] whoo! we gotta go again. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty liberty♪ ♪liberty♪
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the national archives says it will not release information on the classified documents found at president biden's private office and delaware home until it has consulted with the department of justice. >> cnn's paula reid joins us now. paula, explain why. >> reporter: well, they don't want to interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation. we know that special counsel robert hur will now be overseeing the investigation into the handling of these classified materials, now found at multiple locations connected to the sitting president, and in recent days in our reporting on this investigation, we've learned a little bit more about just how far the justice department has gone in this investigation. we have learned that the u.s. attorney in chicago who was tasked with doing the initial review and making a recommendation about whether there should be a special counsel, he interviewed pat moore. he's the one who uncovered the first batch of classified information at president biden's office here in d.c., but what's interesting about that interview is we learned it didn't generate
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what's called a 302. that sounds technical and nerdy, and that's important because that's the form the government usually uses to memorialize an interview like this, and that suggests it was an informal conversation. we learned that the attorney didn't use a grand jury or participate in these searches of other locations. it seems like the special counsel, robert hur, he's going to inherit a thin file of evidence. we've learned he's in the process of assembling his team and once he gets that together, he'll really have to go and almost start this from the beginning. he'll have the opportunity to re-interview people, do new interviews, fire off subpoenas. we can also use that grand jury to hear from witnesses. he's got a lot of work to do, and the hill could be waiting for awhile before this wraps up and they get access to all this evidence that they're asking for. >> okay. pa paula reid, thank you for the latest. republican congressman chris stewart of utah is with me now. he served on the house
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intelligence committee. congressman, good to have you. so i read the transcript of a recent interview that you did over the weekend in which you said that -- that president biden's claim this he did not know the classified documents were at his home and at his former office, you called those nonsense. what supports that claim that you say it's nonsense? >> well, if you ever have a chance to actually handle these documents, as i said before, i was an air force pilot. i was sitting on the house intelligence committee. we have access to incredibly sensitive information. every single classified document, even if the lowest classification is just secret, comes in a special binder. it's very clearly marked. it's red. it says the classification level and why it's classified. it says who you can disseminate it to, and every single page within that document also has the same markings, and by the way, every document is numbered. you can't take these documents home with you. you can't even take them -- if
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you are watching -- looking at them and the scif in the white house, you can't take them to the offices in the white house. my point being this isn't the kind of thing you have sitting on your desk or sitting on your night stand and you not know that they're not classified or not remember that they're not classified. the possibility of these being in your home and in your office and you forgetting that they're classified is just, i think, nearly zero, and that was the basis for that, that someone would have these documents around and think, oh, i forgot they were classified or forgot that i had them. >> i don't know that the president says he forgot he had them. he didn't know where they were, and i'm not on the president's defense team. he has highly paid lawyers to do that for him, but is it possible there kocould have been an aide that put these in boxes with personal items marked personals or a folder marked personal? >> yeah. >> go ahead. >> that's certainly likely, and, in fact, that's probable.
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i don't think that, you know, what you have envisioned there is improbable at all. my primary concern is that those aide would have those documents or the president would have those documents outside of a secure location in the first place. >> let me also point out that there is a scif at the former vice president, now president's home there in wilmington. let's turn to the former president, donald trump, and get your thoughts on what he's kept as cool keepsakes. he posted this on social media. when i was in the oval office or elsewhere and papers were distributed to groups or people and me, they would often be in striped, paper folder with classified or confidential or another word on them. when a session was over, they would collect the papers, but not the folders. i've saved hundreds of them. he called them a cool keepsake. he also saved government documents and he claimed that hundreds of pages of classified documents he declassified, but
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what's your thought on the president keeping these -- these cool keepsakes, the folders for classified documents? >> well, and i haven't read what he wrote. i just heard you read it there, and as i understand are you saying he didn't keep the contents? he just kept the folder themselves? >> he certainly kept hundreds of documents of classified documents. we know that from the fbi searches of mar-a-lago and what was given over in the response to that subpoena, but yes. these folders as well. >> well, i don't know -- i don't really know how to respond to that. i guess it's the contents that are classified. i can tell you, you shouldn't separate the contents from the folder. it's the folder that has the initial markings on them, but once again, the president -- both the presidents in this case apparently had classified information, in situations where it wasn't secure and we need to understand that, and by the way, one of the things that those of
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us on the intelligence committee are anxious to learn is, what was the contents of these documents and what is the potential security threat they may have posed? >> the difference between trump and biden, biden when his attorneys found them, they handed them over to the national archives. attorneys for trump have resisted national archives' requests for more than a year, and the department of justice still didn't believe they have all of the classified information in the former president's possession. let's talk about committees here. jo george santos. why does he deserve to serve on a committee when there are so many questions about who he even is, his experience, his biography. do you think he should have these committee assignments? >> you know, that's up to the speaker, and look. i don't know. i said this before. i don't know mr. santos. i've never had a chance to even speak with him, but it's hard to watch this and not ask these kind of questions and ask if he can effectively serve in congress. look -- >> do you think he can? >> well, i don't know.
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i don't think i could if i were in that situation. he was entirely dishonest with this constituents. he has this enormous challenge now of people like myself, his f congress. it's up to thevoters of his dis decide. >> congressman chris stewart, thank you. >> thank you. ukrainian officials are investigating a helicopter crash that killed more than a dozen people, including a child. we're going to go there live, nec.
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was on the scene. tell us about this crash. >> reporter: they said there was no indication this chopper might have been shot down or there was other foul play. there were several other things they say they're looking for. they're looking for technical fault and weather playing a role, and also possibly pilot error contributing as well. they say this is the beginning of their investigation, and it's impossible to tell. they say it could take weeks before they get to the bottom of it pitch spoke to a witness on the ground that said he saw the chopper coming in, and it didn't look as though the chopper was out of control and it was losing altitude pretty quickly. at first, it was kindergarten, and one child was fortunately killed, and people were dropping their children off at that kindergarten and then crashed completely right at the entrance of a residential building. this is a huge blow to a country that's already facing so many challenges like for instance, that massive invasion by the russians that's been taking
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place for almost a year now, and the president of this country, volodymyr zelenskyy, he actually called for a moment of silence for those who were killed in that accident, in that incident. today when he was speaking at the world economic forum in davos, a very important speech by slolvolodymyr zelenskyy. he did say he does relate to to the war and he says all the things that are happening right now are happening because of the war and of course, this official, the interior minister and a lot of his team, they were actually on their way to kharkiv, to the northeast of the country where they were obviously going to see some folks who were contributing to the effort to defend ukraine, guys. >> fred flpleitgen, thank you. an american attorney was found dead in mexico and his family believes he was the victim of a brutal crime. we have the details ahead.
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believe he was killed. put it to that way. read to you up on their gofundme page and received from the family lawyer. extensive legal training wholeheartedly believes based on initial investigation he was the victim of a brutal crime pap resort he and his wife visited several times over the last few years and knew even staying in the same room so he was familiar with the area. that he was fluent in spanish and was not intoxicated when this happened. but they are saying that this happened outside of the front door to where their room was. now, according to the attorney general for baja california, telling the "ourange county reth star" an unfortunate accidents from a fall from the third-story floor. the family disputing that saying that's not what happened.
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and not heard from any mex ican officials but heard from a liaisonen from the coroner's department and what they say happened with that conversation. the liaison indicated the cause of death was severe head trauma and the case forwarded to the district attorney's office to conduct a possible homicide investigation. the liaison advised at this time the toxicology report had not been completed. the family says they've been pushed to have the body cremated but are going to do their own investigation and so they're not going to do that, but are looking further into this, but clearly no matter how you look at this it's a tragic, tragic story and not a lot of clarity on how this could have happened. >> stephanie elam, thank you for that. a voting system error in new jersey altered the outcome of a local non-partisan race. just ahead, what went wrong. we'll explain that for you. and in the final minutes of the trading day on wall street. the dow is down sharply.
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we have a grim new assessment of greenland's massive ice sheet covering nearly 80% of the country as reported in the "journal of nature." scientists studied temperatures from 1100 a.d. to 2011. finings show it is now the warmest it has been in at least 1,000 years. >> the study's lead author says greenland is the largest contributory sea rise. if the current rate of meanting does not change, greenland could
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contribute up to 20 inches of sea level rise by end of this century. it's probably a good idea to mess with taylor swift for a bunch of reasons but you don't want to end up as a subject of one of her revenge songs. ♪ mad love ♪ mad love ♪ >> but bad blood between you and yours, drown your sorrows. >> chicago's electric garden will temporarily transform into a taylor swift-themed breakup bar ahead of valentine's day. it's called "bad blood." it includes tarot card readers to figure who is in your future love life and a shake it off wheel's cocktails. i'm just happy about a wheel of cocktails. taylor will not be there, not affiliated with think venture,
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except she's affiliated with every adventure. talk about valentine's day. do you observe? >> if i have a man, yes. >> are you miserable on valentine's day? >> no. i'm happy most days. what about you? >> oh, i've -- >> you sit next to me most days. not every one. most days. >> also one of the people and spirits jump ed 20% in the past year. >> some restaurateurs are opening bars specifically designed for people who are sober or something called sober curious. i don't's know what that is. sober curious. >> it means you want to go a bar but not necessarily want to drink. i don't know how it's a good business model. charge $15 for a mocktail? >> i don't know. but sober curious is most of every day. right? >> you're curious not to be so curious? "the lead with jake tapper" starts right now.
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