-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. welcome to a special edition of "360: what happened to ana," everything we learned after a harrowing day in court about what prosecutors believe what happened to the missing mother of three young children, who has been missing since the new year. what was done to her by her husband, brian, and the research he did on disposing body. some of the analysis from forensic science and scientists on criminal cases, and what a trial may look like. first, jason carroll from quincy, massachusetts, on the horrifying revelations today at brian walshe's arraignment. talk about the details that were released today that shed more light on the timeline, according to authorities of this case.

>> reporter: what we definitely learned, anderson, is you know, a lot more about the timeline in court today, much of it linked to the alleged internet searches that walshe conducted on december 27th, january 1st, the second and fourth internet searches about things such as dna, divorce, and a decomposing body. >> i think the number one concern is finding ana and finding out what happened. >> reporter: the timeline in the mystery of what happened to ana walshe spans more than two weeks, starting on new year's day. that's when her husband, brian walshe, claims she left her cohasset home in a ride share, or taxi, to fly to washington, d.c. for work. but prosecutors say there is no evidence ana got a ride or went to the airport. brian walshe tells investigators on this day, he ran errands for his mother in a nearby town. but they find no evidence those trips occurred. prosecutors also today detailing the internet searches he made on january 1st, including at 4:55

a.m., how long before a body starts to smell. 4:58 a.m., how to stop a body from decomposing. at 5:20 a.m., how to embalm a body. at 5:47 a.m., ten days to dispose of a dead body. at 6:25, how long for someone to be missing to inherit. 9:34 a.m., how long does dna last? 9:59, can identification be made on partial remains? 11:34 a.m., dismemberment and best ways to dispose of a body. january 2nd, prosecutors say walshe went to a home depot and spent about $450 in cash on cleaning supplies like mops, buckets, and tarps. in court today, prosecutors say information from walshe's phone showed that on january 2nd, he also went to a home goods and purchased three rugs. there were also more google searches on january 2nd, according to prosecutors.

at 12:45 a.m., hacksaw, best tool to dismember. at 1:10 p.m., can you be charged with murder without a body? can you identify a body with broken teeth? january 4th, ana walshe's workplace, a d.c. real estate firm calls police to report her missing. a police log would later confirm the head of security at the firm was the first to report her missing to police and that her husband has not filed a missing person report. her friends began to fear the worst. >> i think something has gone horribly, horribly wrong when it comes to her. >> reporter: also on january 4th, prosecutors today saying walshe went to a home goods and t.j. maxx and bought towels as well as bath mats and men's clothing and also went to lowe's and bought squeegees and a trash can. january 6th, police start a

massive search in coe haas et. january 8th, walshe is charged with misleading investigators. >> police developed probable cause to determine her husband, brain walshe, had misled police investigators on material matters important to the search for ana wall sh. >> walshe is taken into custody. investigators recover a bloody knife in the family basement, also finding a hacksaw and torn up pieces of cloth with apparent blood stains at a trash facility, this according to law enforcement sources. january 17th, walshe is charged with his wife's murder. january 18th, walshe appears in court and pleads not guilty to murder. a judge orders him held without bail. >> jason, we learned a lot of information today. those internet searches are remarkable. talk about what happens next. >> reporter: well, this is an

investigation that's ongoing, so despite all of the horrific details that we heard in court today that you've been listening to, expect to get even more details about the prosecution's case, as this case proceeds. and of course we're going to learn more about what the defense will be. we can also tell you that the next court date is scheduled for february 9th. anderson. >> thanks very much. again, this hour we're going to be covering all the aspects of this case. there are so many details we le learned today. i want to talk about the investigation that's going on right now. joining us for that, cnn chief law enforcement intelligence analyst john miller, former deputy nypd, also lawrence -- long time professor at john j. college of criminal justice, former fbi special agent and criminal profiler mary ellen o'toole, also bob ward who has been covering this from the beginning for boston 25 news. john, let's start. this striking evidence from

court today, those google searches, jason carroll went through a number of them. but they just go on and on and on. how to clean blood from wooden floor. luminal to detect blood, dismemberment, and best ways to dispose of body. >> i mean, this is an indicator that you had a plan that came after the murder rather than before the murder because all of these are not about how to kill your wife. it's about how to cover up the killing of your wife. >> there were allegedly internet searches before she allegedly disappeared, which indicated trouble in the marriage. >> well, there was one telling one, which was, what's the best state for divorce? and, you know, the answer on the google search would have been new hampshire, which is the next state over. massachusetts wasn't in the top ten. and that's where he was. >> you've actually googled -- you've actually done a number of searches. during the break i did a number of these searches too. you pointed out the information he would have gotten from these

searches was not comforting to him in this moment if, in fact, he was searching. >> if you replicate his search terms using google as the search engine, you run into real challenges. how long before a body starts to smell? 24 hours to three days, depending on temperatures and conditions. how to stop a body from decomposing? the answer is enormously complicated and has to do with injecting fluids into the veins, far beyond his capability. but then right behind that comes how long for someone missing to inherit? which means -- i mean, it's a question about the money, which comes pretty early in this process. >> which is interesting that in the midst of allegedly searching all things about getting rid of a body, he suddenly is curious about inheritance. >> well, and i mean, the struggle and the q&a about this whole thing over days has been we have all of this evidence that's very suggestive but nothing about motive. now you have two fragments of

that. one is divorce, which comes on the 27th, the three days before she thinks she was killed and on the morning they think she may have been killed questions about inheritance. one of these questions was how long does dna last. and the answer was 1,000 years or 6.8 million years, depending on conditions. so, i think he went into this saying, i've got to scramble to make this go away. >> bob, you've been covering crime in the northeast for almost 30 years. have you ever seen a collection of evidence quite like this? >> no. i really wasn't prepared for this level of detail today. i assumed going into today's hearing that we would get some information about why prosecutors thought that ana walshe was dead. but yesterday, a judge had actually sealed this case to preserve evidence for a grand jury. so, i wasn't really prepared -- i don't think anybody was -- for this level of detail of evidence to be presented to this jury. the in fact -- and to the courthouse, i mean. in fact, tracy miner, the

defense attorney, tried to stop this from having saying, i waive everything, let's just get to this. and the judge said, no, i need to hear this. and it just began. and you could hear a pin drop in that courtroom, as the prosecutor just went through, first, these internet searches and then all the other items that were brought in as well. it wasn't just the internet searches. we also learned today they have video surveillance of brian walshe taking trash bags down in the towns of avonton and brock ton and loading them into dumpsters down there. those bags went to an incinerator in southeastern massachusetts. we also found out that some of ana walshe's personal belongings, including her covid-19 vaccination card, was pulled out of a dumpster on the north shore of boston. anderson, it was absolutely stunning to hear this level of detail. and then to think there's even more evidence that we have not heard yet. >> yeah, i mean, bob, there's no

telling how much evidence prosecutors still have that they didn't uncover, they didn't reveal. >> that's right. and you were just talking about motive. they didn't even go near motive other than that internet search about inheritance. we've been reporting about the prospect of domestic violence here. in 2014, ana walshe contacted police in d.c. saying that brian walshe threatened to kill her and a friend. and we know with domestic abuse, if that escalates over time -- that hasn't even been brought in yet. so, there is still an awful lot to learn here about what happened between brian and ana walshe. >> professor, prosecutors, they've already identified her dna, as bob was saying, on a number of items. talk more about how investigators continue to analyze forensic evidence once they've collected it. what else are they looking for? >> well, you know, when they're missing the body, i mean, that's the big -- that's the big question. where is the body?

where is ana? and what they do is they have dna that can demonstrate that on the bloody, broken knife in the basement and in the blood that was left in the basement that he failed to clean up. we know that this matches ana. and so, it's going to be very circumstantial. they also found this bloody glove at the transit station in pifty, massachusetts. that's dna. it comes back to ana. so, there's a lot of information about some crime of violence, given hacksaws, hatchets, and, you know, $450 to try to clean up the scene. and, you know, amateurs don't clean up scenes very well. professional companies, they exist to clean up crime scenes. so, he's sloppy. his -- it's an amazing thing

when you put all this together and look at the google searches. it's extraordinary. but without the body, it's a challenge. but they certainly can get a conviction for, if not first degree, then second degree murder, even without a body. >> john, that's one of the things when he did the google search about -- i want to get the actual wording about -- can you be charged without a body. that was a google search at 1:10 p.m. right after hacksaw, best tool to dismember. the answer is -- i googled that -- yes, you can be charged. >> and the answer in massachusetts is the first case that the state of massachusetts did a murder case without a body, a husband kills a wife, is right there in n north port county. the murder was in 1998. the trial was in 2003. but it's a husband who borrows a saw, does a bunch of things to cover up evidence. you face two things, anderson,

going into a case like that. one is circumstantial evidence. and the other is the double jeopardy factor which is if you get it wrong the first time and you find the body a year later, you can't go back on it. so, prosecutors weigh these very carefully. in this case, part of what they're doing is fronting what appears to be somewhat overwhelming circumstantial evidence. >> mary ellen, there is another kind of evidence you think is important, pattern evidence. can you talk about that, what that means? >> sure, pattern evidence has to do with a victim's pattern of behavior. so, you're looking at -- for example, in a missing person's case, an adult can go voluntarily missing. that's not a criminal act. however, if there's going to be a prosecution without a body, they have to establish the fact that the person did go missing and that the person is dead and that the cause of their death is homicide. part of what they're going to look at to establish that is to say, how often is this person on

the phone? how often do they call home? how often do they post on social media? and then all of a sudden, all of those contexts just stop abruptly, that lends itself to the idea that this person didn't voluntarily go missing. this person is likely dead, and the cause of death is homicide -- or manner of death is homicide. so, again, they have to establish the fact that here's somebody that's vibrant, communicates all the time, 24/7, and now it just stops, consistent with the timing, for example, of the internet searches. >> has there been a murder in quincy recently? other than this case? >> right, yeah. yes, yeah. there are murders in quincy, absolutely. but nothing on the scale of -- this murder happened in coe haas et, allegedly in cohasset. he had his appearance across the

street from me in quincy district court. norfolk county does not have the high number of homicides as surrounding areas, but there are heinous crimes that take place in this county. the other case you were talking about 20 years ago with joseph romano, this is eerily similar, taking the wife's body parts, putting them into a trash bag, lugging them to a trash compaq investor out to a land fill somewhere. that's eerily similar to what happened here. >> thank you so much. really appreciate it. just ahead we'll have more on the case the prosecution tends to make. joining me massachusetts attorney general martha cokely. also later, the answers history and historic cases provide to the question of why husbands kill and how they get caught. so, if you're off the racking... ...or crab cracking, you're cashbacking.

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committed that crime. it is a much more difficult thing to prove it, which we will see if the prosecution can do. so, what will the defense case look like? we want to take a look at that, as well as how the prosecution might present theirs. joining me now is john miller, martha coakley, cnn legal analyst elliie honig, and -- boston police department. what do you make of that statement we just read from the defense asserting the prosecution has been leaking information on the case to the press because the case isn't that strong? >> so, tracy miner is an excellent and experienced defense lawyer. i actually worked with her many, many years ago in a firm. but i think that to the extent she's pointed out a problem that the prosecution may have at the moment which is what did happen between 1:00 and 1:30 on january 1st and when brian walshe started making all of those searches online because, as many of the speakers today and

tonight on your show even have noted, most of those go to how do you get rid of a body, what do i have to do, et cetera, et cetera? they do not go to motive or intent or planning. and that's where if you wanted to prove a first degree murder case or a second degree murder case, you have to prove some kind of premeditation and intent to kill. we don't know what the cause of death was. we could say homicide and the d.a. believes there was probably evidence of a homicide. but we don't know what that is. if someone points the gun and pulls the trigger, you can deem that's an intentional, premeditated murder. but we just don't know. so, that will be one place the defense will go about what evidence they have. sure, there's a lot. but what don't they have right now? >> elie, looking at the prosecution's case, what do you think they're trying to establish right now? >> first of all, the google searches are just unbelievably

incriminating. they're right out of a horror movie. judges have a standard instruction they'll give juries. they'll say science has not yet invented a way to look into the human minds, but looking at someone's google history is darn close. this is more incriminating than a confession really because confessions sometimes people don't tell the full truth. this tells you exactly what he's thinking. the key issue for prosecutors is going to be proving some sort of premeditation, some sort of deliberation in advance. as attorney general coakley said, it's only going to be second degree if you can't show that premeditation in advance. and that is where i think the defense is going to focus. >> initially law enforcement said that walshe was cop operating with the ration. now they allege he was lying to them. do you think the prosecution will find whatever walshe was saying back then helpful in building the case against them? >> as long as he was talking to them, he was helping them build a case. if he was truthful, they would have been able to verify that

and alibi him up. the more he talked and the more he gave them fraudulent information, bad information, he painted himself into a corner that led prosecutors to focus on his actions and activities and start looking at him as a primary suspect in this case. >> danielle, as somebody who's been in law enforcement for a long time, you've seen a lot, what do you -- what's -- is this -- i mean, have you ever seen google searches like this? >> i've seen similar google searches, not quite this intense and this in time. this is, you know, very damning evidence. but as attorney jamie coakley said, all we know is he was looking at how to get rid of a body. that's what the prosecution is alleging here. but the body could have -- there could have been an argument. she could have fallen down the stairs. he felt he was not going to get the benefit of the doubt and decided to dispose of the body. that's going to be parts of the defense theory tracey is going

to try to come up with to put holes in the prosecution's case. they're going to have to run to ground all of those potential theories and prove them wrong. they'll have to look at what was going on before in this relationship? what was the intention? what was going on before then? what are friends and family say? are there intentions with business associates, tensions with family, tensions with other people jooitd the marriage that could be causing them to have the first google search we saw prior to the death and disappearance where, you know, which state is best for divorce lawyer for male. that shows there's some tension in that marriage. and police are going to want to dig into that to paint the picture for the jury as to why these events may have occurred. >> martha, prosecutors don't have to argue a motive, but it certainly helps tell a story to a jury if, in fact, this ever gets in front after i jury. >> of course. and the motive here in a close relationship like this, where there may have been financial

problems, where we know that she he mailed her mother to come to washington not too far before christmas. so, there are some other circumstances that i'm sure will come out about that. and you do not need a motive as an element of a crime, but it certainly helps. and they can see a narrative where maybe she wanted a divorce and then they have a fight after new year's eve. there's lots of scenarios that will make common sense if they can spell them out, if they can knit together some of the circumstantial evidence they have. but right now, given what we have, i just don't see it. and look, don't forget, if you have a younger jury, they're on google all the time. the idea of a google search is something that people take for granted. if you want to get rid of a body, clean it up. it's not great, obviously. but about 20 years or so, we had a workplace shooting in middlesex county. the guy pretended to lack criminal responsibility. and the key piece of evidence

for us was finding a google search that says, how do you fake a mental illness? he had done that ahead of time, so that went to premeditation and planning. that's different from this case where all of the search, as grim, as grizzly as they are, seem to be after the fact. >> there was that police report filed back in 2014, where she had told police that he had threatened to kill her. >> so, that was actually filed before they were married, and they went on to continue that relationship, by the way, not unprecedented that there would be domestic violence and the relationship would continue, to get married. and there hasn't been anything like that since. now, remember we're dealing in a very complicated realm here with the suspect in this case. aside from the murder, you'll recall, he's under indictment for an art fraud, involving andy warhol paintings. he's facing federal time. he's got an ankle bracelet that monitors when he leaves the

house. his wife knows he's going to jail. she's got the job and is the breadwinner. he's trying to start a consulting business. they have three kids. there's going to be tensions at a time like that. so, she's living in washington, where she works for tishman's spire. the cohasset police went there, looking for what's the back end of motive here. is there something amiss here? they came back a second time looking for something else. we don't know what they found there. but they've been searching for what was the threat of tension that came to a breaking point. >> martha coakley, elie honig, daniel, appreciate it. thank you. john miller is going to stay with us. when we come back, we're going to look at the case from the point of the defense. are there cases to capitalize? we'll talk to two well known defense attorneys next.

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this special edition of "360: what happened to ana." now that we've discussed the evidence prosecutors may use against brian walshe, we want to

turn to how the defense may undermine their case. mark romero, who successfully defended george zimmerman. both part of the warner brothers discovery family. back with us is john miller. are there holes in the case the defense could use in their advantage to your opinion, the fact that we don't yet know what the motive was. there's a number of arguments, i assume, the defense will be making about, perhaps, what may have happened. >> well, certainly. you know, we only have 10, 15, 20 pages of what's going to be 5,000 pages of discovery. but even what we know today not only is a lack of motive, but there's lack of this premeditation or any suggestion whatsoever that it is the most serious charge. so we default back to second degree murder, which is heat or passion. quite honestly they don't have

evidence yet of that if you think about it. this could be a domestic violence fight that had a horrific consequence, the death of her, and then the cover up is what makes it look so bad. no matter what he did in the cover up, it simply does not change the level of crime, the initial crime, the murder. this may turn out to be the only thing the state can prove is some time of negligent homicide in the middle of a fight not oven the level of second degree. if i was the defense counsel, i'm focused on getting this down to only something the state can prove and not focusing on the aftermath, the hiding of it all. >> sarah, do you agree with that, argument for domestic violence case? >> i absolutely do. and that's not because i like mark. but because not too long ago, i defended a torture murder case that stemmed from domestic violence. and that is not very uncommon

that, you know, perpetrators of domestic violence go too far, there's a death, and they freak out and panic and try to dispose of the body. my client was just not as stupid as walshe with these google searches, et cetera. but the idea here is, to mark's point, two things, mental state and mitigation. i think the focus is going to be -- one of the things i would want to do is look at the history, look back. look at not what happened after she went missing, but how many domestic violence calls were made in the course of this relationship? subpoena those 911 calls. the more we can show that there's no premeditation, the lesser the degree of crime, like mark said. and it's more like a heat of passion killing. then also mitigation. you know, i really don't know what's up with this guy, right? we've got to take a deep dive into his mental state, afflictions, addictions, all of those things. all clients, all defendants

think they can walk, but not all defendants walk. i think a victory is relative, and in this case it's about reducing the degree of crime and looking at mitigating factors. >> mark, would you see this going to trial? if it's about sort of mitigating factors and managing the defendant's expectations of not going to walk but, you know, what sort of a reduced sentence he could actually get, does that argue for some sort of plea agreement? >> if you think about it, you don't get to argue a lot of litigation to a jury. you can't walk in and go, well, he had this going on. that's really not relevant to a jury. they decide the facts of the case and whether or not the state has proven the highest crime they might prove, first degree, second degree, whatever it might be. in the same sense, that type of mitigation, the type of stressors that were going on, as we just mentioned, the federal case, the previous domestic

violence events, maybe, some of the stressors. all that should play very well to the prosecutor, who knows they have a tough time proving maybe even second degree because nobody knows what happened but him to the body. and there may well be an opportunity to show, look, let's lower it to something where he's definitely going to spend a fair amount of time in prison, but that he has a chance at life afterwafrds, and that's less than second degree. that's going to be the focus, i think, of the defense team. >> john -- >> but -- >> yeah, go ahead, sarah. >> but listen, we're defense attorneys. i'm also a realist. this is a challenging case. these are really bad facts, you know? in the days of no body no case are long gone. you can convict without a body. and so there's a lot of explaining to do. if this guy goes to trial, there's a lot of explaining to do to the jury. and that's the risk, you know? and that's why i think some of

the focus might be on plea negotiations. >> john, you were pointing out, they found her blood on the outside of the suit and his blood inside. >> which goes to premeditation and cover up. i go back to precedent, which is the john smith case. his first wife disappeared. they didn't find a body. his second wife disappeared, they found a body. his third wife he was on to, then they found bones from somebody else. he's been to trial twice. he's been convicted twice. he's going for a third time starting in a couple days. look right here in the same white house in massachusetts, in the joe romano case, the facts are the same. my wife was killed by a drug dealer she owed money to, she was an iron worker involved with bad people. the evidence saw, the bloody mattress, the cover up, never found a body. he's doing life. >> john miller, appreciate it.

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more now on our special edition of "360: what happened to ana." details of what prosecutors say happened to ana walshe is awful. concern has turned to the couples three children. where they are and what's happened to them. i'm joined by pam barley, a former colleague of ana. i know watched the arraignment today. what meant through your mind when you heard that brian walshe is being formally charged. >> it was a mix of rage and relief at the same time. truth say double edged sword. on one occasion, you look at it and you say to yourself, it's good to know that the truth is starting to unravel. but at the same token, it's painful. you get this sense of rage of how could something happen to somebody so beautiful? how could something like this happen? and we still don't know, right? there's still question marks. this is just the first step.

we're anxious to know what happens next. her boys deserve to know the truth. >> you met her through work, i understand. what was she like? did she talk about her family much? >> her boys were her absolute world. the whole reason and motivation for all that she did. and honestly, she's one of those people, when she walks into a room, you feel her energy, she's magnetic, she's brilliant, she's ambitious, she's the super mom that everyone would look up to and be inspired by. that's who she is. >> i know you've spoken out recently about her three sons. they're currently in the custody of massachusetts department of children and families. do you have any updates on who may ultimately take care of them? >> yes. so, as far as we know, as of today, they are still in state custody, and there's going to be a legal process when it comes to that. but through our community, there are families that have filed the initial paperwork to begin fostering these children.

now, which family ends up being the parent, that's still to be known. but at least we know that there's going to be loving families that are going to be welcoming them in, who are just not sure of the process. but least the initial steps are done. >> did she ever talk to you about her husband? >> she never mentioned him much. we mostly had a professional connection, but she was always talking about her boys. that was the biggest thing, her boys, her boys, her boys. that's the thing that stuck with me since i learned of this case. my heart went upside-down and so did my stomach when i saw that she's missing. my next thought went to the boys because i remember the light when she spoke of them. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. coming up, an ominous history of deadly domestic violence in america, as searchers continue to look for the remains of ana walshe. we look back at other famous cases where husbands were

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others around the nation wait to hear the conclusion, it may be a grim one. nothing is proven in this case, not even the death threat brian walshe allegedly made to his wife nine years ago. it is worth noting intimate partner abuse affects some 10 million people in this country each year. one in four women are victims. so are one in nine men. this is far from the only case in which a husband is accused of killing a spouse they vowed to love and cherish. >> at this point, we're not ruling in or out. >> reporter: modesto police talking about scott peterson and his possible connection to the disappearance of his pregnant wife, lacey. she was reported missing in december 2002. >> everyone is still helping look for lacey? >> lacey's body, along with her unborn baby, was found on the shore of san francisco bay. scott peterson was arrested and charged with two felony counts of murder.

he pleaded not guilty. turns out, a woman named amber frey told police soon after lacey disappeared that she was dating him. after his 2004 trial, scott peterson was found guilty in the first degree murder of his wife and second degree murder of their unborn child. he was sentenced to death, but california's governor halted all executions. he's now serving life in prison without parole. >> i've got nothing to say. >> reporter: in 2007, all eyes were on former illinois police officer, drew peterson, after his fourth wife, stacey peterson, disappeared. >> she told me she found somebody else and she was leaving. >> reporter: the couple's home was searched and local ponds dredged. investigators grew suspicious. >> drew peter is he was never charged but it made investigators more curious about the death of peterson's previous wife, kathleen savio.

she was found dead in 2004 in the bathtub. the coroner ruled it an accidental drowning. in november 2007, authorities exhumed savio's body for another look. >> it's a shame that her rest in peace has to be disturbed for something like this. >> this time, coroners ruled it a homicide. in may 2009, peterson was arrested. and charged with first-degree murder in savio's death. he pleaded not guilty, but in 2013 he was sentenced to 38 years in prison. >> guess what, girls. mommy has a baby in her belly. >> in 2018, from colorado, she celebrated her pregnancy with her two young daughters. soon after that, they all disappeared. her husband of nearly six years, chris watts. >> i need to see everybody. i need to see everybody again. >> authorities searched the home

and the neighborhood. a day later, a grisly discovery. >> we've been able to recover a body that we're quite certain is shanann's body. >> on the property where chris watts had worked, authorities found his wife's body. nearby, the girls' bodies were found stuffed into oil drums. >> the husband was taken into conditions and transported to jail. >> chris watts was charged with three counts of first-degree murder and three counts of tampering with a human body. he strangled his wife with his bare hands and 7 indicated his girls. watts pleaded guilty. the motive? another woman. watts was sentenced to could not selling i have the life sentences for the murders with no chance for parole. cnn. >> back with us, some of those cases i'd forgotten about. they were so huge at the time.

yeah. so disturbing. >> i mean, the challenges here are that, you know, you've got, that smith case where he killed both his first wife and second wife and kept moving around the country. that was one fbi agent, bob, who would not let go of that case. that's why it is going to trial again this being. if you look at the gail cats case. the renowned doctor who lived on the upper east side. when she disappears, he doesn't report her missing. you see some similar themes coming up. another investigator, andy, wouldn't let go of that case. came back to it years later and found records that he had a pilot's license and had gone flying over the ocean. his theory was he had thrown the body out of plane. never found the body but they convicted him on the circumstantial case. and in a parole hearing in 2020, he admitted to killing her and throwing her out of the plane.

>> both the peterson cases and the last case, the arrogance of the husbands who are appearing on camera doing interviews, you know, thinking they can get away with it. >> and look who we're talking about. a renowned plastic surgeon, a guy who was an engineer for a car company. we just saw a police officer. another respected professional. these are people whose arrogance comes from, they've been highly capable at everything they've ever done. but murder is hard. and cleaning up behind it is harder than anybody thinks, as we're learning again. >> you've been in law enforcement. you have a long history in law enforcement. are you shocked at all anymore? you've seen every form of depravity. >> so i've been in a couple dismembered body cases. what i'm not shocked by the depravity of the crimes. i'm always surprised by the ability to stream together the evidence.

because there are so many more things we have today. license plate readers, easy passes, cell phone tower signals. just when you think you know them all. new ones come online. the google searches, the cameras in the stores where you're buying the things that you need to use in the cover-up. it is very hard in this electronic world to do something without leaving a trace. we just saw in that idaho case where police charged that the accused killer left his phone, turned his phone off to go to the murder scene. >> and yet it seems like people believe they go get away with it. they think they can talk police out of something. people talk -- >> i had this conversation with andy mccabe of the fbi. he's a ph.d. in criminal justice. he's too smart for this crime

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