procedure -- on how this case was made and what a trial may look like. first, cnn's jason carroll from quincy, massachusetts on the horrifying revelations today, and brian walshe's arraignment. talk about the details released today that shed a lot more light on the timeline, according to authorities, of this case. >> we definitely learned, anderson, as you know, a lot more about the timeline here in court today. much of it is linked to those alleged internet searches that walshe conducted on december 27th, january 1st, the second and the fourth -- internet searches about things such as dna divorce and a

decomposing body. >> i think the number one concern is finding ana and finding out what happened. >> the timeline in the mystery of what happened to ana walshe spans more than two weeks, starting on new year's day. that is when her husband, brian walshe, claims she left their cohasset home in a rideshare or taxi to fly to washington d. c. for work. but prosecutors say there is no evidence that ana got a ride or went to the airport. brian walshe tells investigators, on this day, he ran errands for his mother in a nearby town. but they find no evidence those troops occurred. prosecutors also today are detailing the internet searches he made on january 1st, including at 4:55 a. m. -- how long before a body starts to smell? for 58 a. m. -- how to stop a body from

decomposing -- at 5:20 a. m., how to embalm a body -- at 5:47 a. m., ten ways to dispose of a dead body. at 6:25, how long for someone to be missing to inherit. 9:44 a. m., how long does dna last? 9:59 -- can identification be made on partial remains? 11:34 a. m., dismemberment and the best ways to dispose of a body. january 2nd, prosecutors say walshe went to a home depot and spent about $450 in cash on cleaning supplies, like mops, bucket and tarps. in court today, prosecutors say information from walshe's phone showed that on january 2nd he also went to a home goods and purchased three rugs. there were also more google searches on january 2nd, according to prosecutors, at 12:45 pm. hacksaw, best tool to dismember -- at 1:10 pm, can be charged with murder without a body -- at 1:14 pm, can you identify a body with broken teeth? january 4th, ana walshe's were place, at the c real estate firm, calls police to report her missing -- a police log would later confirm that the head of security of the firm was the first to report her missing to police, and that her husband has not filed a missing person report on female. her friends began to fear the worst. >> i think something has gone horribly, horribly wrong. when it comes to her -- >> also, on january 4th, prosecutors today saying, while

she went to a home goods and t. j. max and bottles as well as bath mats and men's clothing, and also went to lowe's and bought squeeze in a trash can. january 6th, police start a massive search in cohasset. january 8th, charge walsh is charged with misleading investigators. >> through this investigation, the police developed probable cause, to believe that her husband, brian walshe, age 47, -- material matters important to the search for ana walshe. >> walshe is taken into custody and not guilty is centered on his behalf the next day. january 9th, prosecutors say investigators recover a bloody knife in a family basement, also finding a hacksaw and torn up pieces of cloth with apparent bloodstains at a trash facility. this is according to law enforcement sources. january 17th, walshe is charged with his wife's murder, january 18th, walsh appears in court and pleads not guilty to murder. a judge ordered him held

without bail. >> jason, we learned a lot of information today in those internet searches. they are remarkable. talk about what happened the next. >> this is an investigation that is ongoing. so, despite all of the horrific details that we heard in court today, that you have been listening to, you expect to get even more details about the prosecution's case as this case proceeds, and of course we are going to learn more about what the defense will be. we can also tell you that the next court date is scheduled for february 9th. anderson? >> thanks very much. again, it is our we are uncovering all the aspects of this case, and there's so many details that we learned today. a closer look at how the defense and prosecution will likely unfold -- we want to talk about the investigation that is going on right now. joining us for that, cnn's chief law enforcement analyst john miller, former -- also lawrence kobilinsky, professor of professional forensic science, a judge a criminal college of -- former fbi profiler mary allen o'toole. also, bob ward, who has been covering this from the beginning from boston 25. news john, let's start -- just striking evidence from court today. those google surges, jason

carroll went through a number of them. but they just go on and on and on, how to clean blood from wooden floor, luminol to detect blood, dismemberment and the best ways to dispose of a body -- >> this is an indicator that you had a plan that came after the murder rather than before the murder. because all of these are not about how to kill your wife. it is about how to cover up the killing of your wife. >> there were allegedly internet searches before she allegedly disappeared. which indicated trouble in the marriage -- >> there was one telling one which was, what is the best

state for divorce? and that, the answer on the google search, would have been new hampshire, the next eight. over massachusetts was not in the top ten. and that is where he was. >> you have actually done a number of searches -- during the break i actually did a number of these searches too. you pointed out that the information you would've gotten from the searches was not comforting to him in this moment, if, in fact he was searching. >> if you replicate his search terms using google as the search engine, you run into some real challenges. how long before a body starts to smell? 24 hours to three days, depending on temperatures and conditions. how to stop a body from decomposing? the answer is enormously complicated and has to do with injecting fluids into the veins, far beyond his capability. but then right behind that comes, how long for someone missing to inherit, which means -- i mean, it's a question about the money, which comes pretty early in this process.

>> which is interesting, that in the midst of searching -- allegedly searching -- all things about getting rid of the body, he was someone who is curious about inheritance. >> and the struggle in the q&a about this whole thing the other day has been, that we have all this evidence that is very suggestive, but nothing about motive. and now you have to fragments of. that one's divorce, which comes on the 27th, at least three days before they think she was killed. and then the morning that they think she may have been killed, there is questions about inheritance. but one of these questions was, how long does dna last? and the answer was 1000 years or 6. 8 million years, depending on conditions. so i think he went into the saying, i have got to scramble to make this go away. >> bob, you have been covering crime in the northeast for almost -- years. have you ever seen a collection of evidence quite like this?

>> no, i really was not prepared for this level of detail today. i assume going into today's hearing that we would get some information about why prosecutors thought that ana walshe was dead. but yesterday, a judge had actually sealed in this case to preserve evidence for a grand jury. so, i was not really prepared -- i don't think anybody -- was for this level of detail of evidence to be presented to this jury. and to the courthouse, i mean -- in fact, tracey mayer, the defense attorney, try to stop this from happening, saying, i wave everything. let's get to this. and the judge said, no, i need to hear this. and then it just began. and you could hear a pin drop in that courtroom as the prosecutor just went through first these internet searches and then all the other items that were brought in as well. it was not just the internet searches. we also learned today that they have video surveillance of brian walsh taking trash bags down in the tens of avon and brockton, and loading them into

dumpsters down there, and the real isn't reason we don't have those trash bags is, those bags went to an incinerator in southeastern massachusetts. we also found out that some of ana walshe's personal belongings, including her covid-19 vaccination card was pulled out of a dumpster on the north shore of boston. anderson, it was absolutely stunning to hear this level of detail, and then to think that there is even more evidence that we have not heard yet. >> yeah. bob, there is no telling how much evidence prosecutor still actually have that they did not uncover, did not reveal. >> that's right. and you are just talking about motive. they did not even go near motive, other than that internet search about inheritance. we have been reporting about the prospect of domestic violence here in 2014. ana walshe contacted police in d. c., saying that brian walshe threatened to kill her and a friend. and we know with domestic abuse, if that escalates over time, that has not even been brought in yet. so, there is still a lot to learn here about what happened between brian walshe and ana

walshe. >> professor kobilinsky, prosecutors have already identified, as bob was saying, a number of items. talk more about how the investigators continue to analyze forensic evidence once they have analyzed. it would also they looking for? >> well, what they -- they are missing the body. that is the big question. where is the body? where is ana? and what they do is, they have dna that can demonstrate on the blood, evoke and knife in the basement, and in the blood that was left in the basement that he failed to clean up and we know that this matches ana. and so, this is going to be very circumstantial. they found, also, this bloody rug in activity, the transport station, impassivity massachusetts. and that dna, it comes back to ana. so, there is a lot of information about some crime of

violence given hacksaw's and hatchets and $450 to try to clean up the scene. and amateurs do not cleanup scenes very well. professional companies, they exist to clean up crime scenes. so, he is sloppy. it is an amazing thing when you put all this together and look at the google searches. it is extraordinary. but without the body, it is a challenge. but they certainly can get a conviction for, if not first-degree, that second degree murder, even without a body. >> john, that is one of the things, when he did a google search about -- i want to give the actual wording -- about, can you be charged with murder without a body? that was a google search in january 2nd, at 1:10 pm, right after a hacksaw -- tool to dismember. the answer, i google that is, yes, you can be charged. >> and the answer massachusetts is, the first case that the state of massachusetts did a murder case without a body, a husband kills a wife, is right there, in norfolk county, in

the town of quince. the trial, i think, was in 2003. the murder was in 1998. but it is a husband who borrows a saw, there's a bunch of things to cover up evidence. and you face two things, anderson, going into a case like that. one is circumstantial evidence. and the other is the double jeopardy factor, which is, if you get it wrong the first time and you find the body a year later, you cannot go back on it. so, prosecutors weigh these very carefully. in this case, part of what they are doing is fronting what appears to be somewhat overwhelming circumstantial evidence. >> mary ellen o'toole, there's another kind of evident that

you think is important. pattern evidence -- can you just talk about? that what that means? >> sure. pattern evidence has to do with a victims pattern of behavior. so you are looking at, for example, in a missing persons case, an adult can go voluntarily missing. that is not a criminal act. however, if there is going to be a prosecution without a body, they have to establish the fact that the person did go missing, and that the person is dead, and that the cause of the death's homicide. part of what they are going to look at to establish that is to say, how often is this person on the phone? how often do they call home? how often do they post on social media. and then all of a sudden, all of those contacts just stop abruptly. that lends itself to the idea that this person did not voluntarily go missing. this person is likely dead and the cause of death is homicide -- the manner of death is homicide. again, they have to establish the fact that, here is somebody that is, vibrant communicates all the time, 24/7, and now it just stops. consistent with the timing, for example, of the internet searches -- >> bob, has there been a murder in quincy, recently?

other than this case? >> yeah. yes. there are murders in quincy, absolutely. but nothing on the scale of -- this murder happened in cohasset, allegedly, -- cohasset. he had his appearance across the street from me in quincy district court. but norfolk county does not have its share of homicides. suffolk county, which is where boston's, and some of the more urban areas are -- but there are some significant, heinous crimes that take place in this county. and the other case you were talking about 20 years ago with joseph romano, this is eerily similar -- dismemberment taking the wives body parts and putting them into trash, bags loading them into a trash compact or or out to a landfill someplace -- that is eerily similar to what happened here, allegedly. >> john miller's going to be without throughout the hour. lawrence kobilinsky, mary ellen o'toole, bob ward, think you so much, really appreciate it. we will have more on the case the prosecution intends to make

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attorney answer some of the allegations level today against brian walshe? after the arraignment, defense attorney tracey minor put out a statement i'm -- quoting from -- now in my experience, she says, we are, as here, the prosecution leak so called evidence to the press before they provided to me, they are cases not that strong. the statement continues, quote, it is easy to charge a crime, even easier to say a person committed that crime. it is a much more difficult thing to prove it which, we will see if the prosecution can do. so, what will the defense case look like? we want to take a look at that as well as have the prosecution may present theirs. first, we will focus on the prosecution. joining me now is john miller and former massachusetts attorney general martha coakley, also cnn senior legal analyst

and former federal prosecutor elie honig. also daniela lynskey, former superintendent chief of the boston police department. martha, quickly thank you for being with us again. what you make of that statement that we just read from -- because the case is not that strong? >> so tracey minor is an excellent and experienced defense minor. i actually worked with her many, many years ago in a firm. but i think that to the extent she has pointed out a problem that the prosecution may have the moment which is, what did happen between 1 pm and 1:30 pm, on january 1st, when brian walshe started making all of those searches online, because, as many of the speakers today and tonight on your show, even, have noted, most of those go to, how do you get rid of a body? what do i have to do around -- et cetera, at saturate. they do not go to motive or intent or planning before. and that is where, if you want to prove a first degree murder case, or even a second degree murder case, you have to prove some kind of premeditation and intent to kill. we don't know what the cause of death was. it was, we can, say homicide, the da believes that. there was probably evidence of

a homicide. but we don't know what that is. and when someone points again and pulls the trigger, you can deem that's unintentional, premeditated murder. but we just don't know. so that will be one place the defense will go, about what evidence they have -- sure, is a lot. but what don't they have right now? >> yeah. elie honig, looking at the prosecution's case, what do you think they are trying to establish right now? >> first of, all the google searches are just unbelievably incriminating. they are right out of a horror movie. judges have the standard instruction that they will give juries. they will say, science has not yet invented a way to look into the human mind. that is the instruction. but i will tell, you're looking at someone's google searches is darn close. and this is as incriminating as it gets. this is more incriminating as a confession, really. because a confession, sometimes people don't tell the whole truth, a hedge, they fudge. this tells you exactly what he's thinking. but the key issue for prosecutors here is proving some sort of premeditation, some sort of deliberation in advance, as attorney general coakley said, it's only going to be second-degree if you cannot show that premeditation in advance. and that is where i think the defense is going to focus.

>> daniel, the initially the law enforcement said that -- was cooperating with the investigation. now, they know, of course, he's lying to them. do you think that the prosecution will find whatever brian walshe we saying back and helpful and building their case against them? >> as long as he was talking to a man against them that -- telling them -- truthful -- they would be able to verify them and alibi him up. the more he talked in the more he gave them fraudulent information and bad information, he painted himself into a corner that left prosecutors to focus on his actions and activities, and essentially start looking at him as a primary suspect in this case. >> danielle, as someone who has been in law enforcement, for a long time, -- you have seen a -- lot have you ever seen google searches like this? >> i have seen similar google searches and not quite this intense or this in time. this is very damning evidence. but as attorney general coakley said, all we know is that he was looking at how to get rid

of a body here. that is the allegations -- prosecuting is alleging here -- but the body could have -- it could have -- been she could have fallen down the stairs. he felt that he was going to not get the benefit of the doubt and decided -- to the body. right? that is going to be all the types of defense theories that you can try and come up with, to try to put holes in this prosecution's case. so they are going to have to run to ground all of those potential theories and prove them wrong. they are going to have to look at, what was going on before this relationship? >> yeah. >> what was the intention? bob ward had found that early report of domestic violence some years before they were even married. what was going on before? than what our friends and family saying? are there any tensions with business associates, tensions with family, tensions with other people outside a marriage? they could be causing them to have the four school search we saw prior to the death disappearance, where, which state is best for a divorce for a male?

that shows some tension in -- and if police don't want to dig into that to paint a picture for the jury as to why these events may have occurred. >> martha, police don't have to -- or the prosecutors don't have to argue a motive. but it certainly helps tell a story to a jury if, in fact, this ever gets before a jury. >> of course. and the motive here in a close relationship like this, where there may have been financial problems, where we know that she had emailed her lover to come to washington not too far before christmas. so there are some other circumstances that i am sure will come out about that. and you do not need a motive as an element of a crime. but it certainly helps. and look, they can see a narrative where maybe she wanted to divorce. and then they have a fight after new year's eve. there are lots of scenarios that will make common sense if they can spill them out, if they can knit together some of the circumstantial evidence they have. but right, now given what we, have i just don't see it. and look, don't forget, if you have a younger jury, they are on google all the time.

the idea of a google search is something people take for granted, if you want to get rid of a body, clean it up, it's not, great obviously. but about 20 years or so we had a workplace shooting in middlesex county. the guy pretended that he lacked criminal responsibility. and the key piece of evidence for us was finding a google search the said, how do you fake a mental illness? he had done that ahead of time. so that went to premeditation and planning. that's different from this case, we're all of the searches, as grim and grizzly as they are seem to be after the fact. >> there was that police report filed back in 2014 where she had told police that he had threatened to kill her. >> so that was actually filed before they were married. and they went on to continue that relationship, by the way, not unprecedented, that there would be domestic violence and the relationship would continue to get married and it has not been anything like that since.

now remember we are dealing with a very complicated realm here with the suspect in this case. aside from the murder, you will recall, he is under indictment for art fraud involving andy warhol paintings. he is facing federal time. he has got an ankle bracelet that monitors when he leaves the house. his wife knows he is going to jail. she has got a job and is the breadwinner. he is trying to start a consulting business. they have three kids. there is going to be tensions at a time like that. so, she is living in washington, where she works for tishermen speier. the cohasset police in the state police went to -- enter the apartment, did the search they're looking for, what is the backhand of motive here? is there something amiss here? they came back a second time, looking for something else. we don't know what they found there. but they have been searching there for what was the threat of tension that came to a breaking point. >> martha coakley, elie honig,

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>> this is a special edition of 360 -- what happened to ana? now that we've just got the discuss the evidence prosecutors may use against brian walshe, we want to turn to how the defense might try to undermine their case. two unanswered to criminal defense attorneys, mark o'mara, who successfully defended the killing of trayvon martin -- and sarah azari, who is

documentary fame premiers on investigation discovery and will stream on discovery plus. -- both part of the one brothers discovery family. back with us is john miller. so, mark, are there holes in the case that the defense could use in their advantage, to your opinion? given the fact that we don't yet know what the motive was, there is a number of arguments, i assume, the defense will be making about what, perhaps, may have happened. >> certainly. we only have ten, 15, 20 pages of what is going to be 5000 pages of discovery. but even what we know today not only is there a lack of motive, but there is lack of this premeditation or any suggestion whatsoever that it is the most serious charge -- first-degree murder. so then we default back to second degree murder, which is the heat of passion. and quite honestly they don't even, have any evidence yet of that, if you think about. it this could be a domestic violence fight that had a horrific consequence, the death of her. and then the cover-up was what

makes made it look so bad. don't forget, no matter what he did in the cover-up, it simply does not change the level of crime. the initial crime, the motive. so this may turn out to be the only thing that the state can prove is some type of negligent homicide in the middle of a fight and not even to the level of second degree. so if i was the defense counsel i'm focusing on getting this down to something that only the state can prove with the evidence available and not focusing on the aftermath of the hiding of it all. >> sarah azeri, do you agree with that, are you for escalating domestic violence case? >> i absolutely do and that's not because i like mark but because not too long ago, i defended a torture murder is that stemmed from domestic violence. and this is not very uncommon, that perpetrators of domestic violence go too far, there is a death, and then a freak out and panic and try to dispose of the body. my client was just not as

stupid with walshe with these google searches, et cetera. but the idea here is, to mark's point, two things -- mental state and mitigation -- i think the focus is going to be -- one of the things i would want to do is look at the history, look back. not at about what happened after she went missing, but what this relationship was all about -- how many domestic violence calls were made in the course of this relationship? subpoenaed owes 9-1-1 calls. because, the more we can show that there is no premeditation the less or the degree of crime, like mark said. and it's more like a heat of passion killing. then also mitigation. i really don't know what is up with this guy. we have got to take a deep dive into his mental state, afflictions, addictions, all of those things. all our clients, all the defendants think they can walk. but not all defendants walk. so i think a victory is relative. and in this case, it is about really reducing the degree of crime and then looking at mitigating factors. >> mark, would you see this

going to trial? if it is about mitigating factors and managing the defendants expectations of not going to walk but what sort of a reduced sentence he could actually get, there's that argue for some sort of plea agreement? >> really, if you think about -- it because you don't get to argue a lot of mitigation to a jury. you can't walk in and go, well, they have this going on, and he was stressed out because of the fending pending federal case. that is really not relevant to a jury. they decide the facts of the case and whether not the state has proven the highest crime that they might prove -- first degree, second-degree, whatever it might be. but in the same sense, that type of mitigation, that type of the stressors that were going on, as we just mentioned, the federal case, the previous domestic violence -- events may be. some of the stressors. all that should play very well to the prosecutor, who knows that they have a tough time proving maybe even second degree because nobody knows

what happened but him, to the body. and there may well be an opportunity to show, look, let's lower it to something where he's definitely going to spend a fair amount of time in prison. but that he has to transfer a life afterwards, and that's even something less than second-degree, so that is going to be the focus, i, think for the defense team. >> john -- go ahead, sara azari. >> listen -- we are defense attorneys but i'm also a realist. this is a challenging case. these are really bad facts. and the days of no body, no case are long gone. you can convict without a body. and so, there is a lot of explaining to do. if this guy goes to trial, there is a lot of explaining to do with the jury. and that is the risk. and that is why i think some of the focus might be on plea negotiations. >> and john, you are pointing out, they found blood, her blood on the outside of the the type of exit and his blood inside.

>> right. which goes to a lot of premeditation, but about the cover-up. but i keep coming back to precedent here, which, is the john smith case. his first wife disappeared. they did not find a body. the second wife disappeared, they found a body. his third wife, he was on, to then they found bones from somebody else. he has been to trial twice, he has been convicted twice. he is going for a third time starting in a couple of days. but look right here in the same courthouse in massachusetts. and that joe romano case, the facts are remarkably the same. he said, my wife was killed by drug dealer she owed money to. she was an iron worker, involved with bad people. but the evidence, the saw, the bloody mattress, the cover-up, never found a body. he is doing life. >> john miller, appreciate it. mark o'mara, sara azari thank you very much -- stay with us. a former colleague of ana speaks with us about today's arraignment and the effort to keep his children together. al.

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>> special edition of 360, what happened to ana. details what prosecutors say has happened to ana walshe are awful. details have turned to the children. where there are and what has happened to them, joined now by hamm, a former colleague of ana.

she and others have made the mission to make sure the children stay together. i know you watch the agreement today, what went through your mind when you heard that brian walshe was being formally charged? >> it was a mix of rage and relief at the same time. truth is a double edged sword. on one occasion, you look at it and you say to yourself, it is good to know that the truth is starting to unravel. by the same token, it is painful. you get a sense of rage of how could something happen to somebody so beautiful. how can something like this happen. we still don't know, there are question marks. this just the first step, we are anxious to know what happens next. her voice -- >> you met her through work our understand. what would she like? did she talk about her family

much? >> her boys are her absolute world. the whole reason and motivation for all that she did, and honestly, she is one of those people when she walks into a room, you feel her energy. she is magnetic, she is brilliant, she's ambitious, she is super mom that everyone will look up to and be inspired by. that is who she is. >> he spoke out recently about her three sons. they're going in the custody of the department of children families. do you have any updates on who may ultimately take care of them? >> as far as we know, as of today, they are still in state custody. there's gonna be a legal process when it comes to that. to our international community, there are actually families that have filed the initial paperwork to begin fostering these children. now, which family ends up being the parents, that is still to be known. but at least we know that there is gonna be loving families that are going to welcome them in. we are just not sure the process. at least the initial steps have begun.

>> did she ever talk to you about her husband? >> she never mention in much. we mostly had a professional connection. she was always talking about her boys. that was the biggest thing. her boys, her boys, her boys. that is the most important thing. that is always stuck with me since i learned of this case. my heart went upside down when i saw that she is missing. my next thought went to the boys because i remember the light when she spoke of them. >> appreciate your time tonight, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> coming up, an ominous history of deadly domestic violence in america. as searchers continue looking for the remains of ana walshe. we look back at famous cases were husbands were convicted of killing their spouses. this ac360 special report continues. or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? hold up - yeeerp? i can't talk right now, i'm at a silent retreat. cashback on everything you buy with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback?

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special report, what happened to ana. her friends, coworkers, and many others around the nation want to hear the answer that question. we all know by now, it mary -- nothing is proven in this case, not even the death threat brian walshe allegedly made to his future wife nine years ago. but it is worth remembering that family and domestic violence, including intimate partner to these effects 10 million people. government estimates show one of four women are victims, so our one in nine men. randi kaye reminds us that this is far from the only case in which a husband is accused of killing festive out to love and cherish. >> at this point, we are not ruling -- in or out. >> modesto police talking about scott peterson and his possible connection to the disappearance of his pregnant wife lacey. she was reported missing december 2002. >> everyone is still helping

look for. lacey >> lacey's body, along with her unborn baby, we found in april 2003 on the shore of san francisco bay. scott peterson was arrested and charged with two felony counts of murder. he pleaded not guilty. >> i'm only left to question what else he may be hiding. >> it turns out a woman named amber frey told police soon after lacey disappeared that she was dating him. at his 2004 trial, scott peterson was found guilty of first degree murder in the killing of his wife and second-degree murder for their unborn child. he was sentenced to death. but california's governor later halted all executions. he is now serving life in prison without parole. >> i've got nothing -- >> no -- whatsoever? >> in 2007, all eyes were on former illinois police officer drew peterson, after his fourth wife, stacey peterson, disappeared. >> she told me she found somebody else and she was leaving. >> the couple's home was searched and local ponds dredged.

investigators were suspicious. >> -- peterson has gone from a person of interest to, clearly, being a suspect. >> drew peterson was never charged in stacey's disappearance. but it made investigators more curious about the death of peterson's previous wife, kathleen salvo. she was found dead in 2004 in the bathtub. the coroner ruled it an accidental drowning. in november 2007, authorities exhumed salvo's body for another look. >> it is a shame that hurt rest in peace has to be disturbed for something like this. >> this time, corners ruled it a homicide. in may 2009, peterson was arrested. and he charged with first degree murder in savviest death. he pleaded not guilty. but in 2013, he was sentenced to 38 years in prison. >> guess what, girls? mommy has a baby in her belly. -- >> in 2018, shannon watts of colorado celebrated her pregnancy with her two young daughters. soon after that, they all disappeared.

shannon's husband of nearly six years, chris watts -- >> i need to see everybody. i need to see everybody again. >> authorities searched the home in the neighborhood. a day later, a grisly discovery -- >> we have been able to recover a body that we are quite certain is sinead watts's body. >> on the property of petroleum company where chris watts had worked, authorities had found his wife's body. nearby, the girls bodies were found stuffed into oil drums. >> the husband, chris watts, was taken into custody and was transported to the -- county jail. >> kris watts was charged with three counts of first degree murder and three counts of tampering with a human body. prosecutors said he strangled his wife with his bare hands and suffocated his girls. watts pleaded guilty. the motive? another woman. watts was sentenced to consecutive life sentences for the murders with no chance of parole. randi kaye, cnn. >> and john miller's back with us. some of those cases i have forgotten about. and yet they were obviously so huge at the time. yeah. so disturbing. >> the challenges here are that you have got that john smith case, where he killed both of his first wife and his second wife, and kept moving around the country. that was one fbi agent, bob

hill and, who would not let go of that case. that is why it is going to trial again this week. if you look at the gayle katz case, this is a plastic surgeon, renowned, doctor robert baron bow, lived on the upper east side, when she disappears he does not report him missing. you see some of the similar themes coming up. another investigator, andy rosen swag would not like a war that case. came back to it years later and found records that baron brown had a pilots license and have gone flying over the ocean and his theory was he had thrown the body out of the plane. he never found the body but they convicted him on the circumstantial case. and in a parole hearing, in 2020, he admitted to killing her and thrown her out of the

plane. >> it is so interesting. in both the peterson cases and the last case, the arrogance of the husband's, who are appearing on camera, doing interviews, thinking that they can get away with it. >> and look at who we are talking about. around plastic surgeon. a guy who is an engineer for a car company. we just saw a police officer. another respected professional. these are people whose arrogance comes from -- they have been highly capable at everything they have ever done. but murder is hard. and cleaning up behind it is harder than anybody thinks, as we are learning again. >> that's interesting. you have been in law

enforcement. you have a long history in law enforcement. are you shocked at all anymore? you have seen every form of depravity. >> i have been in the couple of dismembered body cases. but what i am not shocked by the depravity of is the crimes. i am always surprised by the ability to string together the evidence. because there is so many more things we have today -- license plate readers, easy passes, cell phone tower signals. and just when you think you know them all, new ones come online. the google searches, the cameras in the stores where you are buying the things that you need to use in the cover-up. it is very hard in this electronic world to do

something without leaving a trace. we just saw, in that idaho case, we are police charged that the accused killer left his phone -- turned his home phone off to go to the murder scene. >> and yet it seems like people believe they can get away with it. they think they can talk police out of something -- people talk to -- >> i had this conversation with our other great contributor, andy mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi. and i said, in the idaho case, he is a ph. d. in criminal justice. people are saying, he is too smart for this crime. and andy summed it up. he said that jails are full of really smart guys, or guys who thought they were. >> john miller, appreciated. thank you. fascinating. and thank you all to our guests tonight, we are going to stay on the stories. new details come out. cnn tonight with laura coates is next right after a short break. ♪ ♪ ♪ we know you care. [music plays] but if this is all too real for you and your loved ones. ♪ make the call. because we care too. ♪ home instead. to us, it's personal.

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>> good evening everyone, i'm laura coats. this is cnn tonight. the white house calls the allegations horrifying and shocking.

we are talking about the losing republican candidate for state office in new mexico. he's not a clear election denier who claim that his own race was rigged. he was in court today, accused of masterminding a series of shootings that targeted the homes of elected democrats. the arrest warrant for pena detail the conspiracy he allegedly orchestrated to quote, cause death and serious injury to democratic officials. there are disturbing new details tonight, including what police say was found in a car that was registered to pena, driven by one of his alleged coconspirators. fentanyl, nearly 900 bills, as well as more than $3,000 in cash and two firearms of and mitch mission. plus, in another story, the question many are asking is, how low can someone go? or allegedly go. the navy veteran now says that congressman george santos promised to raise funds for lifesaving surgery for his cancer stricken dog back i