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challenging. you cannot and should not do it unless you have a full tank. we give all that we can for as long as we can, and then it's time. and so, for me it's time. >> good morning, everyone. poppy is off wi, kaitlan and i here. >> when it's time to go, it's time to go. >> it shocked a lot of people. that was a resignation that people were not expected. >> that was new zealand's prime minister resigning. we'll discuss her surprise announcement in a moment with christiane amanpour. plus president biden has been planning to announce his re-election bid after february 7th but then came the document scandal does that delay his decision. there is a new george santos lie. the new york lawmaker claims repeatedly and consistently that

his mother was in the world trade center on 9/11 now we know she wasn't even in the country. a bold prediction by volodymyr zelenskyy in a speech in davos, vowing his country will reclaim crimea from the russians. but we begin with this president joe biden planning to announce he's running for re-election after the state of the union address, in three weeks, by the way, but that plan was made before we learned the classified documents were discovered at his delaware home and former washington d.c. office. now that the president is under investigation will he delay or cancel his announcement. straight to isaac devore, he joins us from washington with this news and reporting. >> good morning. >> good morning. is it full steam ahead for biden in 2024? can you walk us through what you have learned. >> reporter: don, as you know, there are a lot of people who say they know what's going on with joe biden and a small circle of people who do.

that small circle of people that i've been trying to report and talk to, say their plan was to go with the re-election announcement. nothing is finalized but that's the plan, sometime after the state of the union, which is on february 7th, and that the plan hasn't changed, the timeline -- time frame hasn't changed here, despite what we've seen in the news the last couple of days about the document situation. they are full steam ahead ready to go and not getting distracted by what's going on here. >> i think one question, you know, has been about in the aftermath of the documents investigation is the differences here between what has happened with biden's documents investigation and what has happened with trump's. does that seem to be what the white house is going to rely on to distinguish themselves from that? >> reporter: that's part of it. there's a sense they will ultimately be vindicated, essentially. what happened here was a mistake and that was turned over voluntarily, different from what

happened with president trump and those documents where there was a subpoena that was not listened to by president trump and the people around him. but there's also a sense when you talk to the president who have been with joe biden over the last four years through the campaign, saying over and over again, there are things that have flared up that people said this is a disaster for biden, he'll never survive this, never be the same, and sure enough he gets through it. he gets through things, coming in fourth in iowa, fifth in new hampshire. the legislative agenda falling apart and to the place he is now. >> we'll see what happens. thank you very much. >> reporter: thank you. today is the day that the u.s. technically hits the debt limit, $31.4 trillion, which is the maximum amount that the federal government is able to borrow to pay its bills in what it's already been spending. now it's up to congress to raise the limit. if that concerns you at home, yes, it could be a challenge

even though lawmakers have a few months to negotiate a deal before the nation is going to potentially default on the debt. house republicans said they want to tie spending cuts to any deal to raise the nation's borrowing limit. democrats say the debt ceiling should be raised with no strings at attached. treasury secretary janet yellen said the u.s. could default on debt by june. ahead we are going to be joined by brian deese, the director of the white house economic counsel to talk about what the white house's view is. but right now talking about the latest george santos lie. he's been making this heartbreaking claim about his late mother for quite some time. listen. >> my mom was a 9/11 survivor. she was in the south tower. and she made it out. she got caught up in the ash cloud. my mom fought cancer till her

death. >> cnn learning that is not true. santos' mother was not a 9/11 survivor, she wasn't even in the country in 2001. new immigration records reveal she was in brazil between 1999 and early 2003 and told authorities she had not been to america during that time while she was filling out a form to report a stolen green card. that is not all. in just moments we'll speak to a veteran who said that george santos scammed him and stole $3,000 intended for his dying dog. also this morning, the united states coast guard is tracking a suspected russian spy ship spotted in international waters off the coast of hawaii. this as tensions between washington and moscow over russia's war in ukraine are ever present. ow or ren lieberman is live. what is the u.s. saying? >> reporter: it's the coast guard tracking the ship for the

past several weeks. what's interesting here is the timing. the tension between the u.s. and russia, between washington and moscow. the cost card said they've been tracking the ship for several weeks and believe it's a russian intelligence gathering ship, a spy ship, hanging out in international waters off the coast of hawaii. the coast guard has been monitoring this. it's not illegal or uncommon for russian intelligence gathering ships or other ships or aircraft to be in international waters or airspace, gathering intelligence, picking up what they can in international waters, it's the timing that make it interesting and the length of the time the coast guard has been watching this off the coast of hawaii. >> how long is that? if it's common for something like this to happen. have we seen it get this close before, especially in the last year and a half when we've seen the tensions at an all-time high between russia and the united states? >> not in the last year and a

half but we have seen russia act like this in the past. a couple years ago, there was a russian spy ship off the east coast, florida. operating in international waters but dod called it out operating in an unsafe manner, without running lights and not responding to other vessels. another example on the flip side a few weeks ago, we saw a u.s. reconnaissance aircraft intercepted by a chinese aircraft in international airspace. what made that difference is the u.s. accused china of acting in an unsafe manner and getting too close to the u.s. aircraft that's when these rise above simple interactions and become incidents that can have consequences and are raised at diplomatic levels. a shocking resignation by new zealand's prime minister, who was once popular there to her responses to a shooting tragedy and initial response to covid. >> i believe that leading a

country is the most privileged job anyone could ever have, but also one of the more challenging. you cannot and should not do it unless you have a full tank. plus a bit in reserved for those unexpected challenges. this summer i had hoped to find a way to prepare not just for another year but another term, because that is what this year requires. i have not been able to do that. so today i'm announcing that i will not be seeking re-election. and my term as prime minister will conclude no later than the 7th of february. politicians are human. we give all that we can for as long as we can. and then it's time. and for me, it's time. >> we are joined by christiane

amanpour, live from london with more on this. christiane, good morning to you. i was sitting here watching your reaction to her resignation. i want to know, what's going through your head? what are you thinking? >> well, i'm sad, actually. she was there was jacinda mania, it wasn't because she was a young and good looking, surprising new prime minister but she batted away the sexism and she launched a new wave of young female leaders particularly today in europe and the north of europe. and what she was was a completely -- she came in exactly the time that donald trump did and she was -- when he was the isolationism he was incl inclusive. and all these things made her incredibly popular. i spoke to her three times. here's my interview with her on her first global visit to new york in 2017.

>> i am determined to do things differently. i do think you can be strong and compassionate. i think success is not just about economic but about your social indicators of success. on those measures we are looking to be world leading. we'll produce a budget next year, using indicators across cultural, social, economic and environmental, and if we succeed we'll be amongst the first in the world. that to me is the kind of governance we need. >> i mean, she was incredible in what she presented and proposed to make new zealand a bit of a climate refugee status for those at risk in the pacific from rising waters. her main, huge domestic challenge came in about 2018 when there was a massacre by a white supremacist in new zealand, some 51 pus muslims we killed at a mosque and she wrote

on a paper, they're one of us. all these people killed were part of the new zealand society and her and in her scarf and hijab embracing women there outside the mosque, really sort of laid her stamp, if you like, and then on covid, when she really came to zero covid and talked about be strong and be kind. that was her mantra and her empathy in what's known as her emotional iq were incredibly high. but covid then backfired. there was a strong anti-lockdown group that came out in new zealand. and i think all of that, and those challenges have caused her, potentially, to come to the moment that she's come to now. >> i thought it was notable. she said i'm not stepping down because the job is hard, i would have done that two months into the job if that was the case. she said she didn't feel like she was the right person to lead at the right time.

talking about world leaders and the global impact she had. we're also watching president zelenskyy, who has been at this world forum in davos. yesterday he gave a speech talking about the state of the war. now he's saying he does believe one day they are going to take back crimea after it was illegally annexed by russia. i wonder what stood out to you this time with volodymyr zelenskyy on the world stage? >> i also interviewed him in kyiv on november and asked what it would take to end the war and make peace. he laid it out. put a ten point plan down, his people keep saying it to us, he keeps saying it. not until russia moves back from all the territories, including crimea. you're seeing now in the west a greater understanding that a lot more weapons need to be given to ukraine, to make their position very clear if there's any hope that putin is going to feel the

pain of this war and come to his senses around some kind of negotiating table. >> it's always great to get your perspective, christiane amanpour. >> love having her on. >> from london. thank you very much. be well thank you. >> thank you. next a new low for george santos. how he's accused of stealing thousands from a go fund me that could have saved the life of a homeless veteran's service dog. and damar hamlin is back where he belongs with his teammates. the buffalo bills say they like the vibe. >> it shows for his individual battle, and he's won, and he's still winning. ping should be your style! plop plop p fizz fizz, with alka-seltzer plus coldld & flu relief. also try for fizizzy fast cough relief! get $150 bucks. and i'm traning gronk for the $10,000,000 kick of destiny.

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you really want to hear about this story, so sitdown and listen. a new jersey veteran is speaking out against congressman george santos accusing him of stealing thousands of dollars in donations meant to save his dying dog. the navy veteran who was homeless at the time, said his pit bull sapphire developed a

tumor, needed surgery. a mutual friend connected him with santos saying santos was involved in saving animals. santos set up a gofundme page for sapphire, money poured in, but rich said he never saw a dime and his dog died months later. the fund-raiser was set up under a charity group santos mentioned on his campaign website in a paragraph that has since been deleted. santos also talked about the charity. listen to this, here it is. >> we had a great organization we were able to save animals, dogs, cats, horses. at one point i had eight goats in my car. >> osoff has texts he shared with santos at the time, telling santos i was starting to feel i

was mined for my family and friends' donations. santos responded saying his dog is not a candidate for surgery, quote, the funds are moved to the next animal in need. in another text, osoff says i'm sick of being jerked around. to which santos replied, remember it is our credibility that got go fund me themselves to contribute. let's discuss it now. rich is here, the navy veteran making the claims against santos and michael bowl, the founder of the new jersey's veterans network who tried to intervene. thank you for joining us. rich, i'm going to start with you. >> talk us through this, i read what happened but what happened in your words? >> start out, breaking my ankle out in my driveway one day, broke my ankle, needed

surgeries, i became homeless because i couldn't pay rent for a year and a half. wound up in the tent with the dog, needed surgery, went to the vet, vet said it was going to cost about $3,000. ab santos was a friend of the vet tech that worked there. she gave me glowing reviews about him. she showed me other pictures of other animals he had the go fund mes for i was in a desperate situation, i was ready for the help. >> you were living with sapphire in the tent. >> yes. while we were living there, the tumor was growing, it was getting huge. but it took two to three months to raise the money. a friend brought me up to santos' veterinarian, that he recommended, that he insisted i use. he wouldn't let me use my veterinarian, created problems with another veterinarian, saying they would not accept his

payment form or something along those lines. he was supposed to -- he told me in a text message or maybe on the phone, he was going to pay me back for a trip to long island, he was going to pay me for gas, lunch, tolls. i was even gullible enough to give him my bank account number because he said he was going to put the money for the trip right into my account, that never happened. and that was the first sniff that i got. >> you said you were gullible. but he never took funds out of your account, right? >> no, no he never took anything from me, not out of my account. >> did you ever see a cent? >> never, no. at that point i started getting frustrated. i knew i wasn't going to get any money out of this guy. so i kind of -- i irked him a little bit when i told him i didn't think that he was legitimate and i thought he was -- like you mentioned before, mining my dog and my friends' and familis' hearts for money. that was the most offensive

thing he heard. that was the breaking point where i believe he -- he created the breaking point. he wanted me to get mad at him, storm off and give up on it. and it just devolved from there. he wouldn't answer calls anymore. that was when i asked michael to get involved. he helped me with other veteran stuff, got me a bicycle and a computer and other things, stuff i didn't ask for he helped with. michael talked to him as well. and michael runs a charity. one charity head to another charity head, figured he could help me out. >> this is sapphire. >> this is sapphire. >> that's sapphire's ashes. this is what george santos told me. he said, i have no clue what he is talking about and the crazy part is anyone that knows me knows i'd go to hell and back for a dog, and especially a

veteran. >> well, then go to hell. he said he'd go to hell and back, well, go to hell george. >> is that your sentiment? >> yes. >> he said this is more of a pile on effect. i have dozens of people reaching out to me sharing stories about dogs and cats that i helped save and rescue. what's your response to that? >> i don't believe any of it. i don't believe anything he said about that. i think any other animal he had up on his website or whatever probably suffered the same fate as my dog did. >> go on, michael. you stepped in to help him out. >> i honestly thought -- >> let me ask you what you think of george's response? >> just because he helps a few people doesn't mean he can't be doing this to others. it's not the first time someone has pulled fraud and hurt the veteran community. >> you believe it's fraud? >> i know it's fraud. >> why? >> i spoke to him. i felt it was a mistake.

i was so shocked working as a charity and calling another charity you never have these problems. so i told rich to calm down, relax, i was working with rich as his mentor and peer support getting him through this. i thought it was a mistake, a minor mishap, i called george santos, and i said to him, hey, this is probably a mistake, a misunderstanding, and he was not going to help out at all. and i said to him, you have two options. i think that would be a really good idea to give the money back to the people who donated or give the money to a veterinarian in rich's area he can use that for a fund with his future dogs to help him pay medical bills. >> and? >> it was no compromising with this gentleman. it was hurtful. >> rich, when did you realize because you knew him as anthony devolder. when did you realize they were one and the same? >> last week. >> you just put it together last week. >> i started seeing him around

christmas time on tv. i was facebook friends with him at the time the fund-raiser was going on. i saw an earlier picture of him, probably in his early 20s or something like that. so he's gained a lot of weight, not recognizable, going by george santos. i had a feeling i knew him. i didn't know if he gave me the finger in traffic one day but i knew he did something to me. it wasn't until last week that a reporter asked him on tv, are you george santos or anthony devolder today? and then i knew, and how did he rise to where he was at? >> what do you think of the lies about his mom and 9/11. >> that's terrible. how do you lie about that, about being jewish. this guy doesn't deserve where he's at. doesn't deserve a government pension. i don't have many friends i stay at home for my dogs, i don't

want to be out here. i don't like my phone blowing up but when i saw him on the news, i put two and two together, i ripped the scab off and felt like my dog died yesterday. it hurt me that much all over again. >> have you tried to reach out? >> no. >> have you? >> no, there was no reason for it. >> what would you say to him if he was here now? >> do you have a heart? do you have a soul? he probably would lie about that. i mean, i don't want you to ever hurt anybody like you hurt me again, george. and nobody else should ever have to go through that. i almost killed myself when that dog died. that's why i'm here. i don't want him to be able to do this again. >> what do you want to happen? >> you know, one thing about working in this charity is thank god we have people that care. we expect nothing to come out of

this from santos. but i know that america has people here that love veterans and they've already reached out to us and offered to help. so i'm happy to know there's people out there that really see the good that we do. and really want to show love to our veterans and help them. i see the good out of this. >> santos really took a piece of my heart when he did this. my opinion of humanity was extremely diminished, crashed into the floor. and the outpouring the last two days from people commenting on my story, online, facebook and youtube, everybody is positive about this. i've not seen a single troll. people want to give me money, give me another service dog, help me with dog food and stuff like that. they brought me back up with my value and insight and humanity again. george wrecked it.

but with these people. >> were you able to pay the bills? >> hi to panhandle to have the dog euthanized and cremated. >> thank you. so sorry. >> thank you. >> listen, don't take your life. i'm sure you know that. it's a lot of people -- >> i was given another service dog three weeks after she died and that was the best thing that happened in that whole four to six month period, having another dog to cuddle up with and cry and let my emotions out. when i have a dog in my life, i will not hurt myself. that's my pride and joy, the one thing i live for. i don't want anyone else to be my dog's daddy or mommy. that's my heart. >> we're glad that you got through this. and thank you for sharing your story. >> thank you for letting us share. >> we'll be right back. of delicious subs. like #4 supreme meats. black forest ham and genoa salami.

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bengals sunday in the playoffs. damar hamlin is at the team facility almost daily according to his coach it's been 18 days since he suddenly collapsed in a cardiac arrest during a football game against the same team they will face on sunday. his teammates are celebrating having him around again and the positive vibes he has brought with him. >> a few hugs here and there. everybody is chomping at the bit to talk to him. don't want to overload him with too much right now. but it's been good to see him, you know, with a smile on his face. and guys love having him back in the building. >> it shows growth. it shows that for his individual battle, and he's won and he's still winning. it's a positive thing. to see three, smile, wave, put his hearts up and keep pushing, it's a positive energy bubble

floating around the facility. >> jessica pegula is showing her support for hamlin at the australian open. the world's third ranked tennis player wearing his number three on her shorts during her straight sets win in the second round. >> so let ap talk about health news right now. we're always -- we always hear about the importance of colon cancer screenings. right now the recommended interval for colon ospies is 10 years but a new study discusses whether that could be prolonged. so let's bring in dr. sanjay gupta to explain this. >> hello to you. walk us through the what study found, it's an interesting and profound change. >> yeah, when you look at screenings studies overall, it's interesting in how they figure out who to screen, when to screen, how long to wait in between screening, how they look at the data. first of all, set the table,

colon cancer, third leading cause of cancer deaths, 50,000 people roughly die every year. but for starters what is the recommended screening starts as young as 45 now. we've known for a while, 50 to 75 that was the sweet spot. but they lowered it to 45 a few years ago. that's what we know. if you're older than 75 they say talk to your doctor, understand if the screening will still be valuable for you. but the question has been, you have a negative test and that first screening how long should you be waiting until you get screened again? that's what this study is about. i find it interesting. what they did, the study came out of germany, looked at 120,000 people with a negative test the first time, got screened again ten years later and said how many subsequent cancers did we find? what they found, separated it for men and women, for women, 3.6% of the time did they find

something, for men 5.2% of the time. waited an additional four years it went up a little bit but not significantly. and i think this is the sort of data now these task forces will be looking at saying what is the ideal interval of screening time and should it change, for example, based on whether you're a woman or man, how old you are. they found women were less likely to find a cancer ten years later, younger people the same thing. so this is how they look at the data. nothing is changed right now, to be clear but this is the did data they're looking at to determine that crucial interval period. >> what's the takeaway? it could change? what should people be doing now if they're someone coming up for their annual screening? >> there's nothing that's changed. a new study that's come out that's looked at a large amount of data on the interval period. the advice is very much still the same because the primary screening, that first screening

still makes a big difference. i can show you quickly. if you say, look, what is the impact overall of colonoscopes what you find reducing deaths, 40% reduction overall, and a 68% reduction in the risk of dying from cancer -- that's not the right full screen here. we can show you the numbers for the impact of the primary screening. there it is. that you should keep in your mind. that's probably the most important set of data when you look at colon cancer screening overall. but to your question, based on the new data, the interval of how long you should wait and whether that should be different for men and women, that's something we'll wait and see. we'll see what they do with this data. >> interesting stuff. thank you. we always learn a lot from you dr. gupta, appreciate you joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> you got it, thank you. in washington gearing up for a major fight over raising the

nation's borrowing cap. the united states is set to hit the debt ceiling today which could implications for millions of you. the white house has said that they would like it to be raised with no strings attached but republicans, who as we now, has a slim majority in the house, are demanding spending cuts. >> we want to make sure that we have things that we have to have. i, for one, will not sign a clean bill raising the debt limit. >> we should note marjorie taylor greene is a congresswoman, she does not sign the bill, that will be president biden's job. the treasury department warned it will take extraordinary measures when the united states hits the borrowing cap but the measures only buy them some time, just a few months potentially. joining us to talk about this is the director of the white house economic council brian deese. thank you for being here. the main question everyone has is basically what happens now.

>> thanks for having me. look, this is about economic stability versus economic chaos. if you step back two years ago, two years ago this week that president biden -- president-elect biden at the time spoke to the nation and outlined a strategy. since then we've made extraordinary progress in recovering from the pandemic. the most jobs created in a two-year period ever, the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, inflation coming down, wages going up. businesses want to invest in the united states, build clean energy, we need to keep the progress going. the good news is because of what congress did last year, we can make a lot of this progress this year on encouraging this investment in america, encouraging this transition to more stable growth but we have to not get in our own way, not put this at risk and jeopardize this by putting the full faith and credit of the united states at risk. what needs to happen is what congress has done time and time

again which is do its job, raise the debt ceiling. that's happened 78 times since 1960. that's going to need to happen again this year. >> hitting the limit today, what happens now and how much time do you have to get congress to get to an agreement here? >> secretary yellen has exp explained the extraordinary measures that you mentioned will be initiated today, that is a practice that has happened in the past, and she has indicated that the exhaustion of those measures will not come any sooner than the beginning of june. but there's real uncertainty about what happens beyond then. but this is an issue waiting doesn't benefit anybody. this is certainty and stability for the u.s. economy. what needs to happen is congress needs to do what it has done in the past. this is actually not that complicated. this happened three times under our predecessor. and there is plenty of space and time to talk about how to

continue the progress on the fiscal side as well. i would note over the past two years we've seen the most deficit reduction in nominal terms in american history. the deficit down $1.7 trillion, plenty of opportunity to invest in the country and bring the deficit down. this debt limit is a separate issue, this is paying the bills and honoring the obligations that congress has already passed and that's what needs to happen. >> is the white house going to negotiate with republicans on this? >> we are going to make very clear what needs to happen. as i said, this is not that complicated. this is not about new initiatives or new opportunities. this is about meeting the obligations that this country has already made to the commitments that this country has made. the bedrock of u.s. economic stability and frankly global economic stability is the commitment that the united states honors the obligations that it already made. that's what this is about. it's not complicated. it needs to happen. it doesn't need to have conditions or anything else

attached to it. and we can continue to have conversations about all manner of economic issues, but this is an issue that we can't take -- we can't play games with. and you know, i was here in 2011, even just the specter that the united states might not honor its obligations does damage to the economy. we saw a downgrade of the u.s. debt in 2011. these are things that take years to recover from and some cases may be impossible to recover. you could end up with higher borrowing costs for the united states forever. the good news is we are making real progress, better positioned than almost any country in the world to continue the economic recovery. >> is the white house's position still there should be no conditions attached to this? >> yes, that's our position. again, it's consistent with how congress has approached this issue historically as well. this has happened under republican presidents, happened

under democratic presidents, it needs to happen again. >> we saw how republicans raised it several times under former president trump. but if democrats negotiate a deal here is president biden going to accept that, sign that? >> there's a lot of hypo hypoth hypotheticals. this is what needs to happen, we need to see the debt limit raised, we need the specter of uncertainty out of view and focus on how to keep the economic recovery going. good news on that front, good news for the american people, seeing prices come down, real wages up, a lot of investment opportunity in america. that's where we need to train our focus and we need to take this uncertainty off the table. >> does the white house think the president has the authority to raise it on his own? >> we are solely focussed on the way this has always been done and the way it needs to be done now. this is congress' obligation. this is a basic fundamental obligation that congress has to

meet the commitments that congress has already made and the united states has already made on behalf of the american people. and that is our sole focus right now. >> senator schumer said he believes that may be an open question whether or not president biden has that authority. before i let you go, i have to ask you about the documents investigation under way. is it affecting work inside the west wing? >> not at all. we are totally focused on the economic issues at hand, as this conversation underscores, we have plenty to focus on. two years in if we look at where we need to go in terms of implementing the president's economic agenda we have an extraordinary opportunity this year. that's our focus. and it's not affecting that at all. >> director of the national economic council, brian deese, thank you for joining us on such an important issue that could affect so many people. >> thank you. very, very good interview there. got a lot on their plate, especially when it comes to the

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took his talent to miami because he wanted to create a super team with miami heat winning three titles. but the definition of player empowerment hasn't been clear. "game theory" kicked off with bomani jones. look at this. >> lebron's officially become the old man at the club. he's staying around long enough for the lakers to get the 12 seed. the only thing i miss is that long hair. >> "game theory" premiers tomorrow on hbo and hbo max.

please welcome bomani jones. bomani, you had me at hello. first of all, hello. in this first episode you say that player empowerment hasn't been defined. what's your definition? >> does it exist the way we think about it? after lebron makes the move to go to miami -- there was a lot around the decision. after there was such a backlash, there was a move to say it was empowerment. it's players taking control. what happened was lebron was playing for cleveland and the management wasn't good and he realized he wasn't going to win. he called dwyane wade and say how about i go to miami? the miami franchise said, this is a great idea. how much of that is power? he worked out a contract.

he signed to go somewhere else to play. in the midst of the backlash, there was a need for people to make that more of a revolutionary action than it was. it just made people mad. >> you were saying the bar was set low before that and that's why it seemed so different to people. why wasn't this something we saw previously? >> because people thought -- especially with free agency. the concept of free agency is something new. the nfl didn't achieve free agency until the 1990s. there's a loyalty argument and everything else. in the nba they paid players more to stay with their teams.

then they put in a max salary. that made staying feel a lot less important because you could not break the bank by doing that. that's the thing people weren't used to. a dude from ohio who played for ohio -- players were big on even if you leave, you come back. prior to this a lot of people were inclined to stay with the teams they were on. something changed. again, changing a job, that's not changing the world. >> i don't know if we'll fight on this or agree on this. let's talk about woke in the nfl. you're looking at the nfl and say the nfl is more woke than people think. how so? you know, that term has been

co-opted. >> the thing about the nfl and social justice, particularly in the last two years and change, they've done a much better job than people realize. as we got into our research, our question is why is it that people don't realize how much the nfl and the players coalition has done. the 2022 election that we just saw come around, the nfl had logos on the field for people to register to vote. barack obama jumps on the manning cast with peyton and eli on espn the night before the election to tell people where to vote. in theory it's a nonpartisan act. there's one party that wants people to vote. that's the nfl that did that. the nba wasn't nearly as out front in this last election cycle. the nfl kept a lot of imagery on the field that was post george floyd that the nba took back.

there are things the nfl has done and people wonder why the nfl doesn't give them more attention. there's also reason to wonder if the nfl wants that much attention for fear of offending some people. that's something we're going to explore. what the nfl is doing on social justice and why we might not know that much about it. >> we're good on that. i like the outfit this morning. >> appreciate that. >> thanks, bomani. you can watch "game theory" on hbo and hbo max tomorrow. also, former president trump mistook a picture of one of the women accusing him of sexual assault who he said he didn't know and said wasn't his type for his ex wife. we'll tell you more e next. you can alwaysys spot a first timer.

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