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good afternoon, i'm erica hill. we begin with these stunning announcements for many people. alec baldwin set to face two counts of involuntary manslaughter for the 2021 fatal shooting on the set of his film "rust," cinematographer halyna hutchins was, of course, killed. the set's armorer hannah gutierrez-reed also facing those involuntary manslaughter charges. the new mexico d.a. in announcing the charges noting that, quote, no one is above the law. cnn's josh campbell is live in santa fe, cnn entertainment reporter chloe melas and jennifer rodgers joining me in new york. josh, let's start with you. you spoke a short time ago with the d.a. what more did you learn about the charges and evidence? >> yeah, district attorney mary carmack-altwies told me this didn't come to one single piece of evidence and know that based
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on the state investigation that cinematographer halyna hutchins was killed by a round fired from the pistol that alec baldwin was holding but the d.a. saying that she looked at the totality of the circumstances here including what appeared to be a culture of unsafe practices on this set. we know that there had been pat complaints and past accidental discharges and take a listen to what she told me about what factored into her decision here. >> there was such a lack of safety. nobody was checking those or at least not checking them business meantly and god loaded into a gun, handed off to alec baldwin. he didn't check it. he didn't do any of the things that he was supposed to do to make sure that he was safe or that anyone around him was safe and then he pointed the gun at halyna hutchins and he pulled the trigger. >> reporter: so all three of the people that were involved here that face some time of
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prosecution, alec baldwin, obviously the armorer on the set responsible for safety, they've been both charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter, a third person, the assistant director, david halls is going to enter a plea to negligence, a misdemeanor but obviously serious charges here for those other two. we just got a statement in and i want to read you from the family of halyna hutchins. and they say that we want to thank the santa fe sheriff and district attorney for concluding their thorough investigation and determining the charges for involuntary manslaughter are warranted for the killing of halyna hutchins with conscious disregard for human life. our independent investigation also supports the charges are warranted. it is a comfort to the family that in new mexico no one is above the law. we support the charges. we'll fully cooperate with this prosecution and for vently hope the justice system works to protect the public and hold accountable those who break the law and finally, erica, i asked the district attorney through the prosecution she's trying to send a message to others that there will be cones againsts for unsafe practices and told me, absolutely.
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>> it is a lot to take in, chloe, i know you also just heard from alec baldwin's camp as we're getting reaction here. look, he was pretty clear with you in an interview earlier this year that he says he didn't pull the trigger, he was actually pointing the finger at other people on set. what are he and his representatives saying now? >> so in a statement from alec baldwin's baldwin luke nikas, this situation distorts halyna hutchins' tragic death and represents a terrible miscarriage of justice, mr. baldwin had no reason to believe there was a live bullet in the gun or anywhere on the movie set on to say he relied on the professionals with whom he worked who assured him the gun did not have live rounds. we will fight these charges and will win. alec baldwin's attorney has maintained and alec baldwin has maintained if charges were brought although alec baldwin told me he didn't think he would face charges so obviously he is surprised by this today that he
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will fight this, he will take this to a jury, he will take this to a trial and plead his case, now, back in august alec telling me he did not pull the trigger although the d.a. telling jo campbell today she believes he did. take a listen to a little of our interview. >> pulled the hammer all the way back without locking it. and the gun went off. i never played with a gun. i never took a gun and pointed it at somebody and clicked the thing, i never pulled the trigger on a gun aimed at someone in my life, and you can probably find countless people that would testify to that fact. >> so in alec baldwin's opinion, he thinks that there is a breakdown in the chain of command on the set, that it was given to him, this prop gun, that it was declared a cold gun by the assistant director, dave halls who we know has accepted a plea deal here, and that the armorer, hannah gutierrez-reed, was responsible for making sure
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that the gun was safe and his main question to me this summer and his main question still remains is how did a live bullet get on set and the d.a. saying we may never know. but he has maintained that he pointed the gun where halyna hutchins told him to during this rehearsal on the new mexico set. i want to get to hannah gutierrez-reed, her attorney releasing a statement today and they are saying that we were expecting the charges but they're absolutely wrong as to hannah saying we expect she will be found not guilty by a jury and did not complete manslaughter. she's been emotional about the tragedy but has committed to crime so everyone is saying it wasn't me, it wasn't me and pointing the finger at everybody else and the d.a. saying it doesn't really matter as to how that live bullet got on the set her attitude is that that trigger was pulled and that there was a breakdown in the command of safety on the set. >> right.
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so she did tell josh when josh asked her, i saw you asking her that live. they don't know how that live round got there but the other thing, jennifer, that she was very clear with in speaking with josh as she says, how do i know that alec baldwin pulled the trigger? because that is the evidence that was in the fbi report, that is what we were waiting for and that's clearly what it said. she also made the point that i thought was interesting that it wasn't just about him and his role as an actor but that as a producer on the film, it was also his duty to keep the set safe. what does that mean in terms of these charges? >> i think that's critical actually because josh was asked that terrific question of the d.a. is this in his role as an actor or producer because when you look at his role as an actor he's handed a gun, a cold gun. he does this cross motion he had been rehearsing, the gun goes off. it's not clear to me that there's criminal liability here. i mean you have to show -- >> in his role as an actor. >> criminal breach of care he owed to her and given all the circumstances i'm not seeing that. maybe we'll learn more in the
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preliminary hearing but then you go to the producer side and talk about this loose culture and weren't enough checks being done and the checks that were supposed to be happening weren't and all that but he's not the only producer so that kind of says to me, how are they going to prove this criminal negligence if he doesn't have it as an actor and he's not the only one that has it as a producer. is he a special producer? he was there on set. i'm looking forward to what they are going to prove. this is an aggressive charge and i'm not sure they have it. >> to follow up, do you see a scenario where there would be additional charges? >> against another producer? >> yeah. >> i doubt it because even that, i mean it's criminal negligence. it's not as much as intentional homicide but has to prove he breached a duty of care and did something dangerous. texting while drive something a good exam of this kind of charge. shooting a gun up in the air and comes down and hurts someone. you have to do something you know is dangerous. you're careless about this. handling a gun that you have been told is cold and that's the way it's supposed to be no reason to believe it's not that way, that's not typically what
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fits into that scenario, so, you know, i'm looking forward to seeing what they have but this is an aggressive charge, erica. >> when we look at what we know, and what you learned from the d.a. earlier in terms of how that live round did get onto the set because so much of it, what we're hearing in 9 finger-pointing of the people involved and the people charged is basically, hey, it wasn't my fault, i was doing everything right. nobody knows how it got there, did she have any further insight? how important does it seem that is when it comes to this case? >> this is so interesting because, you know, i've been talking with the sheriff's department as well who they were actually in charge obviously of collecting the evidence, running the investigation, they finished their report and handed that over to prosecutors to actually make this decision and one thing that that was devoid of was any indication of how the live round actually got into that gun itself. we know that live rounds were on the set which runs completely counter to the safety practices that should be in any workplace let alone a movie that's using real guns on the set. but when i asked the d.a. that
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question she actually came back and said i see that as a red herring this idea of the live round. in her view that doesn't matter. that's not the most important thing because she looks at the totality of these practices on this actual movie set. one thing also interesting and if this does go to trial before a jury and evidence is laid out, is the d.a. told me that her team actually consulted with other actors including in her words a-list actors who told them that they always check the gun whenever they're filming or have someone else check the gun in their presence and so, you know, we heard throughout the investigative part of this, you know, a lot of people in hollywood and baldwin's team saying that's not the responsibility of an actor if someone hands them a gun they have to trust them. interesting to see who these arcs are that the team consulted with that said that runs counter to how we operate. i also asked the d.a. because, you know, again you think about in the real world, if you're an actor, you're handed a gun and told it's cold or maybe you think it's a dummy round, is that a crime? and she said, yes, because it
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doesn't have to be intentional for it to be a crime. it can come down to simple neglect. these are rigorous charges and see how they hold up in the end. at least at this point she believes she has more than enough and we'll see what that entails. >> interesting to your point about those actors because we heard from a prop master just a little over an hour ago telling kate bolduan, look, it is not the actor's job to check the gun. that's why you have the armstrongerers and jen, what do you think the chances are alec baldwin could go to jail here? >> i don't think they're particularly high. i think this is a stretch. i think it's a fairly weak case. i don't know if he'll take a plea to a lesser offense but i don't see him going to jail for this. >> jennifer rodgers, josh campbell, chloe melas, thank you all, appreciate it. you may not have felt it but trust me on this, it happened. the united states just hit the debt ceiling. why should you care?
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so let's start with the facts here. the money needed has already been spent. so this is about paying for existing debts and those include things like military salaries, interest on the national debt. social security benefits. so now enter these extraordinary measures which are kicking in so what does that do? you're shifting money around, robbing peter to pay paul, deciding which bills to pay with the funds available to you. keep in mind here, the u.s. has never defaulted on its debt. the debt limit itself has been raised 78 times since 1960. so you may be saying, okay, this is an issue. we've been here before so what's different today? may not surprise you that this has a whole lot to do with politics. republicans with their slim majority in the house want to cut future spending. here's the thing, though, the debt ceiling is not about future spending. again, this is money that has already been spent, the bill is due. so you're thinking, hey, maybe there's common ground here. maybe lawmakers on both sides will realize that this is about
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the greater good of the country, the debt standing, the standing of the united states, well, the white house says no negotiations noting that this is actually congress' job to figure it out and get it done. so where does that leave you? luckily it leaves you with a very smart guest, we have a professor of economics and public policy at the university of michigan and always love talking to you because you make this so understandable and this something i think speaker mccarthy was looking to do so he compared the debt limit to a family's finances saying, look, congress at this point can't just keep raising the government's credit card limit. that's an analogy i think most americans can understand. it's one you called cute but it's wrong. why doesn't that example work here? >> so it's wrong because the person who raises your credit card limit is the credit card company. it's the lender. speaker mccarthy is part of the government. the government is the borrower. the only choice the borrower makes and we all face it every month is the credit card bill
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comes due, are you going to pay it or not? so if speaker mccarthy wants the u.s. government to spend less money, he needs to pass bills so that we spend less money but right now he's got a credit card bill in the mail and he's just stomping his feet saying i'm not going to pay it. this is the part actually where it's a pretty good analogy. most viewers know that's a pretty bad idea, pretty good way of getting your credit cut off. raising interest rates and what that means is if the u.s. government pays higher interest, you and i pay higher tax. >> when it comes to spending most americans would say maybe we should have a legitimate conversation about spending. trying to do those two things at the same time which as you point out these are different issues that need to be dealt with, is speaker mccarthy muddying the waters here? >> absolutely. without a question, definitely and yes. congress passed spending bills, congress passed tax bills. as a matter of mathematics, that
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means congress has -- the u.s. government has to borrow. so it can't have both its spending bills that have passed and its tax bills that have passed and refuse to raise the debt limit. it simply doesn't work. >> question for you too when we hear from the white house there will be no negotiation here, what does that do? >> well, honestly i think it's the right thing. look, here's the bottom line of it, the politics of this are not paying our bills hurts the american people because we're going to have to pay higher taxes to pay the interest rate so effectively congressional republicans are saying, we're going to punch the american people in the face, that's their threat. they're saying, if you don't pass policies we like, we're going to punch the american people in the face. democrats are looking on saying, you know, i think it's kind of a bad idea but it's your job not to punch people in the face and there's a really hard question in our politics, the only way any of this stops those of us getting pumped in the face is us
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the voters say to washington, enough. stop threatening our livelihoods in order to get your agendas passed. >> it doesn't feel like that's a message that gets through, i have to be honest because i feel like we keep seeing this repeated game of chicken and then that brings us to these so-called extraordinary measures. that's not a term we made up. that's what they're called. it does buy time but it's not the answer, so when you look at how all of this is playing out just remind us of two things. what does this mean when you say americans are going to feel this in terms of, you know, it's going to cost more to pay the bills. what does that mean for the average american? where could they feel it first and then also what do you think the chances are that the u.s. actually defaults? >> i think the real stakes here are if we run the risk of default even that's enough that people don't want to lend us money at good interest rates anymore. the government pays higher interest. as a result it's not you but
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your kids that will pay higher taxes. more immediately, no one expects congress to do this. we expect the grown-ups in the room to take over if they don't, that could cause all sorts of financial eruptions so could lead to consumer confidence and financial markets to reveal new vulnerabilities we simply don't know about right now and so that's the sort of extra nudge that an economy that a lot of people think is near a recession just doesn't need to have. and then i just want to think about, you know, your parents or grandparents who don't know if the next social security check is coming their way or not. that's a lot of real pain inflicted evening if they do avert the crisis at the last moment. >> justin wolfers, always great to have you with us. thank you. >> a pleasure, erica. there is new cnn reporting today that president biden's 2024 plans have not changed in the face of the special counsel probe into his handling of classified documents.
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biden is expected to announce his re-election bid sometime after the state of the union address next month. we're also told his inner circle sees no reason to adjust the time line. some advisers downplaying the scandal as the d.c. elite making noise. on the policy side similar approach top economic adviser telling cnn the doj investigation is not affecting the white house agenda, quote, at all. george santos caught in more lies just a day after the house republican was rewarded with two committee seats. newly uncovered immigration records completely contradict a claim he used on the campaign trail. the claim that his mother survived the 9/11 attacks. cnn's sunlen serfaty is tracking all of this. those immigration records show there is no way this story could be true, sunlen. >> reporter: that's right, erica. these new records show george santos' mother was not in new york and was not even in this country when the terror attacks of 9/11 happened and as you
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noted that directly contradicts the claims he's made repeatedly claiming that were on his campaign website at times that his mother was in the south tower of the world trade center when the attack happened and that later or over a decade later she died from cancer. now, this information comes from newly uncovered immigration records that were obtained by cnn. and it shows that his mother was actually in brazil during the years 1999 and early 2003. of course, over the span that the 9/11 terror attacks happened also just two more important points here while in brazil in 2003 his mother then indicated on some paperwork that she had not been in the united states since 1999. in addition she filled out paperwork in brazil in 2001 and that is notably just months before september 11th happened and she said that her green card had been stolen then in brazil. now, notably, erica, santos
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representatives have not gotten back as far as how they tried to clarify this obvious contradiction. >> very interesting to see what the explanation if one can even call it that is there. you know, there's also this separate story. hard to believe, because with each one it feels like a new low point but we also have been following closely this story of a veteran who says that george santos has accused george santos of stealing thousands of dollars that was raised to help the veteran's dog with a lifesaving surgery. that veteran speaking to cnn. what more are we learning? painful incident for the veteran and told of how the back and forth happened with george santos. george santos offered to set up a gofundme account for him to pay for some veterinary byes for his pit bull who needed a lifesaving operation and they raised $3,000 and the owner talks about these text messages and their correspondence how
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they went back and forth when it was clear that santos was not going to turn over the money and he says he never saw a dime of it in the end and he spoke with don lemon on cnn this morning. >> george santos, this is what he told me. he says i have no clue what he is talking about and the crazy part is that anyone that knows me knows that i'd go to hell and back for a dog and especially a veteran. >> then go to hell. he said go to hell and back, go to hell, george. do you have a heart? do you have a soul? he probably would lie about that. i mean, i don't want you to ever hurt anybody like you hurt me again, george. he doesn't deserve to be where he's at and he doesn't deserve a pension. >> he believes that this allegation is more just a
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pile-on but, erica, this is just one in a very, very long line of contradictions and false claims that santos has made about his family, his background, his resume and certainly finances as well. >> the hits keep coming. this tweet too from george santos where he writes, sort of reiterating some of what he just said but noting the reports i would let a dog is shocking and insane. my work in animal advocacy was a labor of love and hard work and over 24 hours he received pictures of docks i helped rescue throughout the years along with supportive messages. these distractions won't stop me. i did hear his attorney on with erin and there was kfrlgs about his claim about people who reached out what we heard from that veteran was great. we'd love to hear from them too and see if any of those accounts with george santos claim to have come to fruition and sunlen, i appreciate it. >> thank you. i think it's safe to say that probably very few people look forward to the colonoscopy.
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some people may be able to wait longer between screenings. cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joining us live. what are these find jgz a lot of people who didn't enjoy the prep may not mind waiting ten years in between? >> right. >> but it makes me a little nervous. i'll be honest. >> well, first of all, i got to say i went through a colonoscopy not that long ago. no one looks forward to this, as you say. it wasn't that bad, though. the medications they give you, the propofol -- >> it's a nice nap. this is an interesting study because this looks into i think a big issue in medical screenings like what is the appropriate amount of screening. what is the right interval and they decided to put this to the test so first of all who should get a colonoscopy? everyone 45 to 75. they lowered the age a few years ago, you may remember from 50 to 45. but that's who should get it.
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people who are older than that depending on their history can talk to their doctor about it. the question was they say if you had a negative colonoscopy, how long do you wait then before the next one? and what they did in the study in germany they looked at 120,000 of repeat colonoscopies and figured out how often did they catch something now and what they found was interesting and said with women, they did another colonoscopy at ten years, they're catching 3.6% of the people had an abnormality. they waited 14 years, it was 4.9% and higher for men but still pretty small numbers and also the younger you were, the less likely you were to have something pop up on the next colonoscopy as well. so that's what the data shows now, erica, which is really interesting. it hasn't translated to any change, ten years is still the recommendation but looking at studies like this they'll ask, should we start thinking about widening that interval? >> which we've seen with other procedures. when you look at this, though, i
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would imagine that there's always the fear of somebody see seeing this and says i don't need a colonoscopy now. they're still really important. who should be getting screened? >> absolutely. and we're talking about the repeat colonoscopy here. if you look at the primary colonoscopy, the first colonoscopy, i think a very clear picture emerges and, again, it's good data to look at because what is the value of this? you're putting all these people through colonoscopies every year. what is the return on that and what they find is that the estimated impact of colonoscopies sort of across the board is about a 40% reduction in terms of getting colon cancer so they're finding polyps, for example, before they turn into cancer and the number on the right, erica, 68% risk reduction in terms of dying from colon cancer. i mean keep in mind this is the third leading cause of death in the united states, some 50,000 people die every year of colon cancer because of screening
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those numbers have come down and could come down further the more people actually engage in those tests. >> dr. sanjay gupta, always appreciate it. again, as you said, it's thought that bad. trust us, people, we've been through it. it's not that bad. nice to see you, my friend. >> thank you. hair strands, a stained pillow, a black surgical glove. new details on what officials seized from the apartment of bryan kohberger. he, of course, is the man accused of murdering four idaho college students. we'll bring you up to speed on the very latest there. ...and our most advanced sasafety system ever. ♪ ♪
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in florida, republican governor ron desantis is blocking an ap african american studies class because in his view that high school course promotes critical race theory which goes against the state's stop woke act. cnn's sara sidner is with us. they went on to say the course significantly lacks educational value. let's take a step back here. what is going on? >> critical race theory has really come to signify something that it isn't. it's been kind of a catch-all phrase that people use for things they don't like and the worry here on parents' part, you've seen blowups in school after school, district after district, parents worried that either white children are going to be treated differently, treated as if they are the oppressors and black children are going to learn that they are the victims. that is the underlying fear that has been ginned up, frankly, by politicians and those who intend to make this a political point.
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this course in particular is the college board has reviewed this. they put it out in 60 schools and the schools have all tried this curriculum. some of them i'm sure deciding to adopt it. now, the college board is no small thing. it's actually the same board which runs the s.a.t. and has been picking ap classes which are advanced classes for many, many, many years. >> and these are too, right, for people who may not be in high school or been a while, typically these ap classes, you get college credit for taking those classes in high school, correct? >> that is correct. and because it's an advanced placement class, you can then take a test, an ap test, anyone familiar with taking ap and get a college credit for it. so it helps you get done with college quicker which means it's a bit cheaper so the issue is this woke act that the governor of florida has put in place where you cannot teach crt which
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is critical race theory. i want to read something from one of the pre-eminent some lahrs of african american history or as he puts it american history. dr. henry louis gates jr. saw this when it came out. nothing is more dramatic than having the college board launch an ap course in a field that signifies ultimately acceptance and ultimate academic legitimacy. ap african american studies is not crt, it's not the 1619 project. it is a rigorous field of study. you have one of the pre-eminent scholars on this who did documentary after documentary who has said, look, you know, this is not what you are saying it is. but you're using this as a political lightning rod to stop students from being able to learn about american history. >> the full history of this
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college. i didn't learn a fulsome history of this country so it's important that we do that. the other thing that's interesting. a, with the college board, what it is saying and, b, has any of this curriculum for the course, has it been made public, or have the governor or the department of education in florida said what they think here is the specific issue? >> we have not seen the specifics. we don't know exactly what they are talking about. but they do make the statement that if the curriculum is changed that they will then think about adopting it and this board has also been a board that when they do this, they do make changes to the curriculum sometimes, so this may not be over. but it certainly sparked a lot of controversy hearing that something was going to be stopped when it's an advanced placement course. >> and a college course, right? in college you should be thinking about bigger ideas, perhaps questioning things in correct. >> which one would hope that you can do in a high school class as well. not the last we've heard of this.
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>> nope. >> not the last of things being made political. that's for darn sure and not the last we'll see of you, my friend. today we are learning some more about the disturbing evidence that led authorities to bryan kohberger. he, of course, is the man who is charged with stabbing four university of idaho students killing them. those grisly murders, the search warrant has just been unsealed. jean cazares joining us now to walk us through the new details. jean, what more are we learning here? >> we're learning a lot, and one thing, though, i want to say because everything has unsealed as far as the application for the certain warrant and found it very interesting one reason they wanted to search his residence besides the obvious is they said based on his phone records and his phone was turned off. we know that, and the roads that he traveled they think he may have gone from this very bloody horrific scene straight back to his apartment. that's one of the reasons they wanted to search it. now, let's show everyone what the return says.
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what they got in that apartment. what they collected. first of all, there was a collection of dark red cuttings from a pillow of reddish-brown stain. there was part of a mattress cover with stains. there were several hair strands and even what they believe is an animal strand, hair strand. remember, kaylee had her dog there. there was a nitrate type black glove and there were store receipts including a dickies tag. and dickies is a manufacturer of work garments and they were looking for black clothes. this is what they asked for. let's show what they asked for. they asked for -- to be able to retrieve black clothes, pants, shirt, a mask, those shoes that had a diamond indicate iron them because remember at the scene there was a shoe print in blood that had the dickies -- i mean that had the diamond impact like a van shoe and they were also asking for knives and images and
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data of interest of planning. they didn't take any clothes. they didn't take shoes that had that diamond implant, so obviously there were things that they did not find there and they didn't find the murder weapon and, erica, of course, they still don't know where that murder weapon may have been and he is innocent until proven guilty. he has a zealous chief public defender behind him now in idaho. >> jean cazares, really important updates, thank you. >> thank you. well, they were hoping to catch some tuna but then 12-year-old campbell keenan caught something way bigger off the florida coast. see that there in the water? that's a great white. campbell will join us next. dimiminishes wrinkled skin in just two days. gold bond. champipion your skin. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund,
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i mean, this is one heck of a fish tale. a 12-year-old boy out fishing with his mom in florida, hoping to maybe catch some tuna, caught a whole lot more. talk about a surprise this week. he reeled in, watch this, a great white shark! it took about 45 minutes for campbell to reel it in. campbell and his mom eileen are with us now. this is probably the last thing, campbell, you are expecting. how are your arms feeling? >> um, they're hurting right now. definitely my forearms. >> when did you realize what was happening?
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>> uh, about 45 minutes in, we realized it was a shark, but right when it hit the rod, it just took off. >> were you scared at all when you realized it was a shark? >> i was definitely scared. i was wondering if i really wanted to fight a shark. >> you know what? i think that's a fair question. colleen, as you're watching this, you're thinking, this is great, he's catching something. hold on, it's a shark. that must have been something. >> yeah, well, right from the beginning it was scary, because it was obviously something big, because it was pulling campbell out of the seat. so campbell was attached to the rod, but he wasn't attached to the seat. my friend katie and i had to hold campbell in to make sure he didn't fly out of the boat, but
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wurls we realized it was a shark, we were scared. >> you're on this boat, like you're going out there, hoping to catch a little tuna. what did the boat captain say. were they surprised at all? >> yeah, it was very chaotic. if you listen to the video, the first mate was kind of beside himself. it was his first great white. i believe the captain pauley had caught one before. just making sure no one got hurt. >> campbell, as it got closer, then the shark sort of swam away. when did it really hit you you had caught a great white? >> i mean, it really still hasn't. when i got to see the belly of it, because it came up, and in like a cat atonic state. it was on its belly -- on its
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back, and we saw the white part, and the captain is, like, that is a great white shark. >> do you think the shark was as surprised as you were, campbell? >> probably. [ laughter ] >> i think they gave each other a really good workout. she was pretty exhausted. i'm still trying to wrap my head around it. it's just incredible. what does this mean for your fishing career, campbell? >> um, it's definitely going to inspire me to do better, get better at fishing and, like, try to catch as many fish as i can, as many big fish as i can. >> this is a pretty darn big fish. it will be tough to follow. have you ever seen the movie "jaws" campbell? >> no, she won't let me. >> i think i'm with you, colleen. your mom is very smart.
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