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hello, everyone. welcome. >> alec baldwin says he plans to fight the criminal charges he will soon fate. in october 2021, hutchins was killed by a live round in a prop gun that baldwin was holding, rehearsing for the film "rust." today the district attorney in new mexico says baldwin will be charged with two counts of involuntary man slawer. a special prosecutor assisted in that investigation. >> this is really about justice for halyna hutchins. we have talked to several who say they always check their gun. an actor doesn't get a free pass

just because they're an actor. >> the piece that stood out to me, again, this set was run very loose and fast, and that those bullets were not checked properly before putting them into the gun, and alec baldwin did not check them either with the armorer. the armorer, hannah gutierrez-reed is also charged. assistant director david halls has enter a plea in this case. josh, what did she say. >> reporter: she said she looked at the totality of the circumstances ar her team vailed this, and she determined there was a pattern and practice of unsafe she said she believes how

it got in the gun is somewhat of a red herring, that that's not what's most important. in a state report, the state medical investigator signed off, saying there was no compelling evidence that this was intentional, that this appears to be an accident by all intents and purposes, but the prosecutor saying, when it comes to these involuntary manslaughter is beside the point. >> just because it's an accident doesn't mean it's not criminal. unintentional means they didn't have the intent to kill, but it happened anyway, and it happened because of more than mere negligence. they didn't exercise due caution or circumstapec shun here.

>> reporter: we expect they will fight these charges. we just got a statement from the attorney of the armorer, saying we were expecting the charges, but they are absolutely wrong as to hannah. she did not commit manslaughter. she's been emotional about the tragedy, but has submitted no crime. i asked the district attorney if she expect people will criticizer. she says she sees it differently. she will prosecutor in case. >> anything from the family of halyna hutchins? >> we are, and we can't lose sight of the fact there was a victim who lost her life. hutchins the one who was struck with the gun. i'll read part of the statement from the family. they say, our independent investigation also supports that charges are wanted. we support the charges, we fully cooperate with this prosecution,

and hope the justice system holds accountable who broke the law. i asked when the charges would be filed against baldwin and gutierrez-reed, and she expect them to be filed by the end of the month, and then there would be a process for both to maybe their initial appearance. she expects they will plead not guilty, and the wheels of justice will turn here. >> josh campbell for us there, thank you so much. chloe velas, some said prosecutors asked for his opinion, but he was not an official consult. what did you tell them?

>> they essentially asked me if i thought there were grounds for criminal charges. i told them that they were. as your previous guest said, just because it was an accident doesn't mean a crime wasn't committed. >> steve, you're a gun safety expert. people have been rye-lookings on your advice when covering stories like this. in your experience, steve, does every actor open the chamber before they are shooting a scene and check to see if there's a live round in there? or if somebody hands a gun, saying "cold gun," are they good? >> it depends on who it is handing you the gun. even though it's quite easy to learn, i don't expect every actor will know how to check the gun. he was offered the opportunity to gain that knowledge from the armorer, and he declined that opportunity for the firearm safety lesson. in not having the armorer

present, he was essentially saying s. i don't need you, i got this. clearly, he didn't have this. >> misty, on these specific charges, two counts each of voluntary -- involuntary manslaughter, and involuntary manslaughter in the commission of a lawful act. for each of these two who are charged, contrast these two and what it will take to prove them. >> absolutely. here we see prosecutors presenting two alternatives theories of the case. so, one, the first -- involuntary manslaughter. this is a negligence standard. this means they have to prove they did not act reasonably, there's a foreseeable risk, and those who are charged did not act reasonably. that carries an 18-month maximum sentence. contrast that with the other

involuntary manslaughter charge, negligent in the commission of a -- this is a higher standard. it's more than just general negligence. here they have to prove a recklessness standard. however, when a firearm is involved, there is a mandatory five-year penalty. so the stakes are a bit higher on this second charge, commission of a lawful act, but it's more difficult mens rea for prove prosecutors to prove. they'll have a jury determine which legal theory applies. >> chloe, what is alec baldwin's response? >> he says he's going to fight this and take this all the way to a trial. in a statement to cnn via

history -- this distorts halyna's tragic death and a terrible miscarriage of justice. he relied on the professionals with whom he worked, who assured him the gun did not have live rounds. we will fight these charges and we will win. i do want to talk about the greekdown of the chain of command. when he sat down with alec baldwin in august, he spoke to me about that, and on the set, dave halls, wording to alec, according to the osha report, hands him the gun and declares it's a cold gun. that's obviously a very important point to point out. there was someone who checked this gun, dave halls, and he's accepted a plea deal here. also, alex baldwin says hannah

gutierrez-reed, where were she? the district attorney says we may never know how a live round got to a set. i want to play part of my interview from last summer. take a listen. >> i pulled the hammer all the way back without locking it, and the gun went off. i've never played with a gun. i never pointed a gun at somebody and clicked it. in my life. you could find people that would testify to that effect. >> their office believes, and reasons why they are charging alec baldwin, that he pulled that trigger. alec baldwin maintains he did not, and they aren't as for alec baldwin's role as a producer, because he's been charged as both an actor and a producer, we

know that, according to alec, he did not have anything to do with hiring hannah gutierrez-reed or other individuals. there were other producers who were enlisted to do so, so alec has maintained this was just a tragic accident. >> steve, let me come back to you. i understand you may be able to show us what either actually happened or what should have happened once they gun was handed over to alec baldwin. >> and alec knows that dave halls is not a firearms expert. his message "cold gun" shouldn't have any more import than if the caterer said it. he knew who 9 armorer was. can you have the armorer check this? you're the a.d., bud we've seen

footage from the rehearsal, hi finger is through the trigger guard breaking the frame of his finger. if his finger was in the trigger gart -- if it's not in there, you pull the if you then press the hammer, it falls. however, if your finger is on the trigger, and you pull the hammer back, the gun will also fire. i think that's why he was saying he didn't fire it, but his finger was on constant pressure. >> so both things can be true, that he didn't consciously pull a trigger and then pull the hammer back and then, of course the gun fired. >> right, but the d.a. can say you pulled the trigger, because a bullet got fired from this gun. >> really it doesn't matter

whether it was intentional or not. he pointed a gun at someone. the first rule of gun safety, all guns are always loaded until proven otherwise. this was not proven. nobody looked at it. in my pin, that's gross negligence. you don't point guns at things you don't want to see a hole in. it doesn't matter the circumstances. you don't point guns at people, especially in this environment. >>. >> that's the very first thing steve told me. i went to texas. the very first thing he said, all guns are loaded, that's your ma mantra. that's such a helpful approach. that's just what you have to assume. misty, why is it dave halls -- i know he took a plea agreement, but person who handed over the gun and said "cold

gun." why is he being allowed a plea deal? >> here the prosecutors were focused on those in the chain of custody. this went from the armorer, then to halls, he said "cold gun." my guess each person would have been charged with involuntary manslaughter. back in august, prosecutored asked for a budget to potential prosecutor this case. they said maybe there were up for four defendants. from august until now, absolutely there's been behind the scenes plea discussions between prosecutors and the defendants that we see here today. my guess is paul's agreed to be cooperative. plea agreements almost always have cooperation clauses. that means they'll testify on

the prosecutor's behalf. so it's always a balance. there's no clearcut answer, but it could be because prosecutors did want somebody on their side to ultimately testify in court about what was going on with respect to that set. that's going to be the critical inquiry. what happened before, were there foreseeable risks, and what happened on that day? >> thank for helping to understand they charges today. a financial crisis is looming over the country right now after the nation hit the debt ceiling today. if that limit is not raised by june, the u.s. could default a payments. the treasury department says it will now take, quote, extraordinary measures to keep paying the bills. cnn's economics and political

commentator and opinion person for "the washington post." >> the debt ceiling is the statutory limit on how much the government can borrow to pay off existing bills. this is not about authorizing any new spending, but paying off our existing bills that congress has already passed, military salaries or interest on the national debt, the social security payments, medical bills, things like that. so we hit -- a bunch the bad things. it doesn't mean that we -- there are extraordinary measures that treasury can undertake, but

basically right now, the job of treasury is to buy time -- but it could be seener than that, and tax revenues fall, that means uncle sam has less money to make good. >> things like janet yellen can decide to the to put money in suspension funds, and then when this crisis is over, we will make good on those obligation, but not yet. there's other kinds of things like moving money around from one agency to another, and then there are wilder proposals. those of you who may remember the 2011 dead crisis, there's talk of a trillion dollar

platinum coin. at the time, president obama ruled it out. and there's other things like selling treasury bonds above face valuable that they don't want to acknowledge are in the playbook. if we get closer to june, maybe we'll have to talk about the platinum coin? there are a few reasons why should case about this. first, no biggy, but it violates the constitution. the constitution literally says the validity of the debt of the united states should not be requested. so there's a problem there, and like i said, this borrows limit is used to make goods on paying existing commitments. all of those payments could be put at risk. it's unclear how easy it would be for the federal government to prioritize that.

beyond that, borrows costs for the federal gone will go up. we've been able as to borrow cheaply over the years. everybody trusts us to make good on our debt. if we look like deadbeats, we're fun reliable, our costs go up. and finally, not to worry, recession, financial crisis could be in the offings. again, if we suddenly look like we're much riskier borrowers, that would send panic throughout financial markets for pretty much any other asset out there that's benchmarked again the believed safety of u.s. treasuries, so not exactly what we're looking for, there's no great time for a financial crisis, but probably the worst possibly time is when you're already worried about a recession. >> that all sounds awful.

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embattled new york congressman george santos has caught in another lie. new immigration records show that the republican's mother was living in brazil in 2001, gee spite his claims he was a survivor of the 9/11 terror attacks. >> my mom was a 9/11 survive. she was in the south tower. she made it out. she got caught up -- she caught cancer and died over time. >> eva, what is the truth. >> alisyn and victor, he's told different variations of the story about his mother, suggesting she died as a result of the terror attacks on 9/11, but immigration records obtained

by cnn contradict this. she indicated that she was in brazil on paperwork. the latest revelation is part of a troubling pattern of deception from the newly elected congressman, who largely avoided intense scrutiny during his campaign, but it's the fraud he carried out on a new jersey veteran, who said he never turned over money to -- >> i knew i wasn't going to be going any money out of this guy. so i kind of irked him a bit when i told him i didn't think he was legitimate, and that i thought he was -- like you mentioned before -- my heart for -- >> this is what he told me,

okay? he says i had no clue what he is talking about. the crazy part is that anyone knows me, knows i would go to hell and back for a dog, and especially a vet ran. >> then go to hell, george. he doesn't deserve at government pension. i'm a very personal, private person. i don't have many friends. i don't like the media attention, i don't like my phone blowing up, but when i saw him on the news, i put two and to together, it ripped the scab off. it felt like my dog died yesterday. it hurt me that much all over again. >> what would you say to him if he was here? >> do you have a heart? do you have a soul? he probably would lie about that.

i mean, i don't want you to ever hurt anybody like you hurt me again, george. nobody else -- i almost dilled myself when that dog died. that's why i'm here. i don't want him to be able to do this again. >> were you able to pay the bills? >> i had to panhandle to have the dog euthanized and cremated. >> as you heard there in that exchange, santos denies these allegations regarding the pet charity. in a tweet he says the record says that i would let a dog die are shocking and insane. alisyn, victor? >> just awful, awful what has happened to this man. the supreme court las not been able to identify who was behind the imfamous leak. jessica? >> this morning the supreme court released a statement saying, after eight months of

the investigation into the leak of the opinion overturning roe versus wade, they have been unable to identify any person potentially responsible. this is something that has swirled in washington for eight months, ever since this was released at the beginning of may. the supreme court, of course, appointed the marshal of the court to undergo a thorough investigates, and at this point no one has been identified. they go into a lengthy report here, talking about the measures they have undertaken. they say after months of diligence analysis of forensic evidence and interviews of almost 100 employees, the marshal's team determines there was no further investigation warranted. they continued on with the investigation, but today they're definitively saying at this point no one has been able to be identified as connecting to that leak. this is extremely interesting. of course, this leak back in may was really unprecedented.

it was the first time that -- that it had been leaked to the public, almost two months before it was actually released from the court. so the court has been undergoing this review, and we finally learned that not only has the marshal of the court been taken up this review, but also they asked michael chertoff to step in, the former secretary of homeland security, also a former judge, a former u.s. attorney. he also released a statement today, basically saying that he has independently reviewed all of this. he says that, at this point, they undertook a thorough investigation and there's not sufficient evidence at present for further action. he did recommend several steps the supreme court can take to make sure it doesn't happen again. he said things like limit the distribute butte of sensitive documents, limit the e-mail of sensitive at the documents, and

limit the access on mobile devices. victor and alisyn, while much of washington has been watching with bated breath for the past eight months on this very big leak that did rock the court and rocked the justices, many of them calling it at the time a grave betrayal, a shock, there's still no conclusion to this, no definitive a answer to who exactly leaked. it appears on this statement that the review will continue, but maybe not in such a fulsome way as had been in the. my colleague had reported several months ago they asked for the cell phone records of clerks. they asked the clerks to hand over -- to undertake signed affidavits. they have been doing a fulsome, thorough review, but the t takeaway on this report is that they have been unable to identify anyone particularly

responsible for this leak. it remains unanswered. it appears at this point, guys, it's at a dead-end at this p point. >> let's bring in joan business cou biskupic. >> they're going to continue, they say, but i'll tell what you this suggests. since they haven't found out who did it, how it was done, there's a very big question of how can they prevent it the next time around? this was so stunning, the largest breach ever in supreme court history to have this kind of extensive draft, nearly 100 pages released, and the opinion turned out to be almost

identical to what was released. they took about nine months to try to figure out who had done it. they tried to screen through the law clerks, look at the permanent employees, and came up with nothing. i think the message they wanted to send is that they were being thorough here. not only with they using their own resources in the marshal's office, whoever oversees the police force there. not only were they using those, but they went to an outside private group, the chertoff group. i think, you know, the underlying message is we did everything possible to try to figure out who's done it, but by coming up with nothing -- which, you know -- empty essentially, and, you know, it is a large mystery. apparently it is really hard to figure out who did this, but also lead to the fact that it

means, how can they prevent it in the future? they mentioned through out this thing certain security steps they added, some of which they didn't obviously want to brad with new security, but will those be enough? is there a chance this can happen in the future? without it knowing hose it than this time, that's a real question. also, the timing. it's interesting, i've been among the people who said chief justice roberts announced on march 3rd, the day after politico published the draft opinion, that he was launching this investigation. severed of us were saying, what did you find, what did you find? it appears in part in the report david is in answer to that. look at the steps they have taken. i think they want to show they were asking competently, smartly, with the resources they

had. i do think that message comes through with all the things they did the number of interviews. various people who had access to the document itself. yet, as i say, they don't know how to prevent it if they don't know how it actually happened. >> steve, i was interested in reading this, that there were basically 82 employees who had access to electronics or hard copies. that's more than i would have known. so it sounds like they're going to change things and take measures to limit that access? >> alisyn, i think the question, as joan says, how can you make those changes without knowing where the breakdown was? 82 employees, including the nine justices themselves, including the 36 law clerks employed on a one-year basis by the justices,

right? it includes, you know, staff in the clerk's office, and so i think the real problem is by coming to this sort of non-resolution, every side is going to think -- those on the left will think it's a conservative to leaked it. those on the right will think it's a liberal clerk who leaked it. so we have this uncomfortable detente, that will leave everyone suspicious and distrustful. i think that would have long-term implications that we're not going to do. >> steve, joan, jessica schneider, thank you all for the reportsing and analysis from the breaking report. we've been reporting on the lies from congressman george santos. up next we'll talk to a florida republican for his takes on this

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increasingly some from swing districts do not agree with the white house, that it's thinking there should be zero negotiation in the congress over the raise of the national debt ceiling. instead, they insist there must be some fiscal agreement first. byron donalds is part of the steering committee and oversight committee. congressman, first, thank you for coming. we hit the debt ceiling today, default comes in june. why connect these two? congress has already run up these bills, has passed

legislation, has spent the money, spending the money, why not take care of it and have a conversation that most americans would agree is necessary? >>ed reason you don't separate the two, the only reason you're hitting the debt ceiling this fast is because of the reckless spending. so if you increase the allotment, you should address your spending habits. my career was 17 years in the financial industry. my first stop was as an anchor and decide we were going to lend money to small businesses. you don't just get the ability to expand the credit card without the necessary spending reforms. if you read the reports from the credit agencies, are they concerned about congress's ability to act? yes, but they're also concerned with congress's lack of ability

to control its spending in a meaningful way. we should be doing both at the same times. >> you are a business mast. you talked about your history as a small bigman. you know you have to pay the bills. republicans and democrats racked up these bills. where was this adamant about reducing spending, when it was increased three times during the trump administration. there was no major uprising within the republican ranks to say we have to cut spending then. is it happening now because there's only a democratic president then? >> i disagree. i think those conversations existed each time it was raised. from my recollection, there was some of the spending reforming, spending caps put in, but there's a difference -- >> hold on, hold on. before i got to congress -- >> there's a difference between

raising an instrument and a standoff. republicans are saying we will not vote for a -- that didn't happen when donald trump was president. >> but i think you're the one that's speculating there's a standoff that will happen here. nobody has said that. house republicans will have clear negotiations with the white house about what are the spending reforms needed and what needs to happen. that is not a standoff. that is a negotiation. number two, before i got to congress in the last term, my position has always been clear, that if you're going to continuously increase the debt ceiling, you have to address the long-term ramifications and the debt bubble growing in the united states. that's the responsible thing to do. i can't com on what my colleagues did before i got to congress. >> let be ask about the

committee assignments. the steering committee's job is to assign congressmen to various committees. george santos, what qualifies him that you know for sure qualifies him to serve on the small business committee and the commit on science and technology. >> that's where the members list the various things they said to do in their time. specifically to george and his situation, that's something that's my place to get involved in. that's between him and his voters. every member of congress is placed on committees. we're going to place him on committees. if something else happens down the line, we'll revisit the decision. there are members that sit on committees that's not part of that i background before congress. they try to get the best job

possible on behalf of the american people. >> you have not joined some of your republican colleagues, and most democrats, who are calling for george santos to resign. do you think he can serve effec effectively? >> i think it will be difficult, but if he has the wherewithal to deal with these things and still do his job, that still remains to be seen. about the growing list, no, i have not joined that, simply baas i don't think that's the job of another member of congress to say or call for. i think that's something between him and his voters. he has to deal with that on an individual basis. >> i will say you called for president biden to resign and 84 million people voted for him. congress man donalds, thank you so much. >> anytime. a new unsealed deposition shows that former president trump mistook a photo of someone

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new details revealed today from a court deposition of former president trump. according to the newly unsealed transcript, trump mistakenly identified a photo of e. gene carroll, one of his sexual assault people as his ex-wife marla maple. >> what happened? >> this is a deposition trump sat for in october as part of the defamation lawsuit, and a transcript of this was last night, and in it -- this was video taped, but we only have the transcripts. trump is presented with a photo of him and e. jean carroll, and we can put it up to set the scene here. that's e. jean carroll, and ivana trump behind him, and he mistakenly thinks that e. jean carroll is marla maple.

he says, that's marla. that's marla. the attorney goes, no. that's e. jean carroll. that's where it ends, and it picks up five pages later. we don't know what was discussed and went back and forth after that. part of the defamation claim was e. jean carroll wasn't his type, and he didn't know who she was, and he didn't assault her in new york. he also doubles down on the defamatory statement that is he has made. he says that he never kissed any woman without their consent and he never had sex with any woman without their consent. interestingly, one of these statements, he reiterated in october and he admits under oath that he did write that statement himself and he asked his team to put it on his social media platform. so he does take ownership of these statements himself. >> okay. >> we need to know what's in those five pages. >> that jump. thank you. actor alec baldwin and the

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a washington state court unsealing search warrant documents used to look for evidence at the home and office of bryan kohberger. that's the criminology grad student accused in the brutal murders of those four university of idaho students. >> cnn's jean casarez is here with more. police have not found the murder weapon, but they are finding more. what have they found? >> reporter: they've wanted to find the murder weapon. that's one of the things they requested, but they did find things, and remember, it was

seven weeks between the time it was committed and the search of this apartment. so let's show everybody exactly what they found. they did find some blood and bodily fluids. they collected that. there were some presumptive tests at the scene to see if it was blood. they took those with them. they also found part of a mattress cover with stains, several hair strands because they obviously want to try and find the victims soeassociated h him and his apartment, an animal hair strand. kaylee had her dog. black gloves, store receipts. one was from marshalls. one was from a dickie's tag, and that's work clothes. they were able to do more forensic testing on that to try to associate him with the crime scene. that's the point, right? they did not find the knife they asked for.

they did not find clothing. they had asked for black pants, black shirts, black masks. the shoe -- remember the shoe imprint that they had found at the scene that had diamonds in it? they did not take any shoes at all. that's significant in and of itself, right? to not find that shoe imprint in his closet, and some other things they took, a computer tower, right? they took a dust container from the bissell power force vacuum. so all of this could be significant, but they obviously wanted to find more. now, this is interesting. in all the paperwork, they also say we want a search warrant of his office at washington state university because he was a ph.d. criminology student. nothing more is said in the documents about that. if they actually applied for it, if they got it, if they executed search for the return, but that could be significant. >> jean casarez, thank you very much. will the controversy surrounding president biden's

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