top of the hour here on "cnn newsroom." good to have you along. i'm victor blackwell. >> i'm alisyn camerota. the family of the cinematographer killed on the set of "rust," said they support the criminal charges that will soon be filed against actor alec baldwin. today the district attorney in santa fe announced that baldwin and the armorer, hannah

gutierrez reed will each get two counts of involuntary manslaughter. >> in october, 2021, baldwin was holding a prop gun when it fired a live round hitting and killing 42-year-old halyna hutchins. a prosecutor says baldwin is being charged for pulling the trigger, and as a producer of the film. >> i think it was the totality of the circumstances that this was a really fast and loose set, and that -- that nobody was doing their job. there were three people that if they had done their job that day, this tragedy wouldn't have happened. that's david halls, hannah gutierrez reed, and alec baldwin. if they had done their basic duties, we wouldn't be here. >> josh campbell and chloe malas is here. josh, you spoke with that district attorney. fantastic interview by the way. what did she say about what led to these charges? >> reporter: i appreciate that,

victor. this comes down in her view to negligence. these are serious charges, involuntary manslaughter against both baldwin and the set's armorer, and she says that looking at various pieces of evidence including alec baldwin in her view pulling the trigger on that weapon, there's been debate about that. alec baldwin has previously said he never pulled the trigger on that gun, but law enforcement here sent that firearm to quantico at the fbi laboratory. they conducted a forensic exam to determine with the gun c cocked, this revolverer, there was no way to not pull the trigger. she also talked about a pattern of unsafe practices in her view on this set, and there's been this question about what role does an actor have, and actually assuring the safety of the set, and that the gun that they're handed is actually free and clear? we've heard alec baldwin, for that matter other actors saying that is the role of the armorer, someone else. when a actor is handled ed a we, they trust that is a cold gun.

they actually consulted other actors and outside expert ws wh had a very different view. take a listen. >> this is about justice for halyna hutchins. we've talked to many actors, a-list and otherwise that have said they always check their guns or they have someone check them in front of them. so it's not -- an actor doesn't get a free pass just because they are an actor. >> reporter: now baldwin has obviously professed his innocence and we presume he will fight these charges. the armorer on the set, hannah gutierrez reed is doing the same. we just got a statement in from her attorney. the attorney says we were expecting the charges, but they're absolutely wrong as to hannah. we expect she will be found not guilty by a jury and she did not commit muanslaughter. she is emotional about the charges, but these charges will be filed against the end of this month, and then they will go

through the process of either coming here to new mexico or perhaps by video conference, actually appearing, and we assume they will enter not guilty pleas and then the wheels of justice will start. we'll see where this prosecution goes, just as importantly, these are allegations. these are not statements of fact yet. they haven't been tested by the judicial system. we'll see what evidence prosecutors have as they lay out their case, guys. >> okay. so chloe, how is alec baldwin responding today? >> like josh said, he says he's going to vigorously fight these charges. he's going to go to court. he's going to go to trial. he's not going to accept a plea deal. we know alec baldwin is very vocal and he has maintained his innocence for the past year pitch sat down with him in august, and we talked in his wide-ranging interview about what went wrong, and his attitude is that there was a breakdown in the chain of command, and little bit about what alec baldwin told me in august. >> the business is a business

which is -- is cautious and careful and protects the members of the crew all the time. all the time, as a rule, and this is a one in a billion event. in that one in a billion event, there are two people who didn't do what they were supposed to do, they didn't do, and i'm not sitting here and saying i want them to go to prison or i want their lives to be hell, but i want everybody to know that those are the two people that are responsible for what happened. >> the two people that alec baldwin is saying if that interview from august with me that he feels are responsible are dave halls who took the plea deal, and hannah gutierrez reed who was the armorer on the set of "rust" who faces the same charges as alec baldwin. we haven't heard from alec baldwin specifically other than through his attorney, but i do know this was not something that they expected. he told me in that interview over the summer that he did not believe he would be facing charges. >> all right. josh campbell and chloe melas,

thank you very much. joining me is scott caution. he's an armorer and former nypd police officer, and we have elie honig. we don't know the answer to how live ammo, real bullets showed up on that set and got mixed in with dummy bullets. as an armorer, after a year since this happened, do you understand how that could have happened? >> absolutely no clue. so i have said before that live ammo and blanks should not be in the same zip code let alone on the same movie set, and i was reading an article how there were literally live rounds on the prop table next to the weapon. if that was the case, and there were her friingerprints on at least one of these live rounds, production should have stopped. there should have been nothing happening with a firearm, and

inventory in every round, every dummy round and blank should have been done and live round should have been taken immediately offset or secured in a secure location. i'm beyond scratching my head, how did they get there. i have no idea. >> elie, is this as simple as someone is handed a gun before you point it at someone, you check or at least as you were taught, you assume it's loaded? >> you have to assume it's loaded. >> that is the negligence that this case comes down to, or is this a difficult case to prove? >> it's not that simple, victor, and i think this is a difficult case. first of all, there are factual issues. alisyn, you went right to it, which is the prosecution cannot answer. josh campbell asked the d.a. this question. she said, i don't know how those live rounds got there. there's a major factual issue that someone is going to stand in front of a jury and say, they

want you to convict my client and they can't tell you how those live rounds got there. this happened on a movie set. most normal people did not know what the norms are on a movie set. i certainly don't. so you end up in a scenario where you are hear from experts like scott, and if you look at even just on our air today on cnn, we have had multiple experts say very different things about what the obligation of an actor is, or armorer on a set are. you need all 12 jurors to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. i'm not saying there's no chance, but this is a difficult case for the prosecution. >> scott, what's the answer to that? when you are on a set, as the armorer and you hand an actor a gun, and you say, cold gun, does every actor you've ever worked with take it upon themselves to open it up and look and check? >> no. so it's their job to act, okay? i'm an armorer and a stunt guy. i don't expect an actor to get

beat up on stage, on camera. that's what i do. i don't know if an actor understands how to use a weapon. i have it set up to discharge rounds and i don't want someone playing with the weapon. if they ask, i absolutely will show it to them, and before we shoot anything, i always hold the weapon up. if it's clear, i rack the slide back and i show the set. if we're going to discharge rounds, i say -- and my voice carries as a former police officer, i say, discharging two rounds, and people will know exactly how many rounds we're going to shoot on that set. so no. i don't trust an actor to be able to -- not that some don't understand, but i don't trust them to be able to know when a weapon is clear, and when it isn't. >> elie, on these charges as both an actor and producer, the d.a. says that, quote, as a producer, he also had a cduty t make sure that the set was safe. does that muddy the case at all, and how does that reconcile with the decision not to charge the director in this case, joel souza?

>> so i thought that was really interesting in josh's interview. he asked the d.a., are you charging alec baldwin as an actor or a producer, and i was stun tned that her answer is bo. those are two different legal scenarios. with an actor, scott just explained, if a jury hear's scott's testimony, alec baldwin is not going to be guilty as an actor. it's not his responsibility independently to look at the gun. the question about a producer, is that gets into the question of what exactly were his jobs, and responsibilities as it relates to the many other directors, producers, professionals on that set, and sometimes people are producers in name. sometimes big names like alec baldwin are called producers or executive producers, but they're not actually in charge of things in a hands-on way. all of these are complex issues. this is not a civil proceeding. this is a criminal proceeding. there is the highest burden in our legal system. they have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt, and unanimously to the jury.

it's never easy, and i think it will be particularly difficult here. >> elie honig and scott coscia. thank you both. >> thank you. financial security hangs in the balance if the president do not raise the barring limit by june, the country will default on its bills. >> the country is taking so-called extraordinary measures to keep the government open, but this will not work forever. it's up to congress to compromise on the debt prices. cnn business correspondent rahel solomon is here. what happens here? >> reporter: extraordinary measures means the government is shifting funds, moving money around so we can pay our bills. that buys us about four months and gets us into the early summer. what would happen if we defaulted? the rates on government debt would go up, and all of our consumer borrowing. think about small business loans, student loans, auto loans, housing. mortgage rates would likely go

up. one estimate putting it at an additional $130,000 to an average new 30-year mortgage. the third way also seeing that typical worker nearing retirement could lose $20,000 in their 401k. the impacts could be significant. this has never happened before, and many people do not expect it to happen now, but the threat is getting dangerously slow is there, and i spoke to a market t strategist who tries to explain how washington policies impact wall street, and what he told me is this will end up being the most serious debt prices in the nation's history. there will be a credible risk of default, and it may not be resolved until the very last minute. until we get to that last minute, well, the government will have its hands full, but what about us, guys? should we do anything differently? i talked to a prominent professor at the wharton school of business at the university of

pennsylvania, and he also does not expect us to default on our loans or our debt. he said he would not change investments or make any major money moves on this, but the next few months becomes volatile is high. >> rahel solomon, thank you for that. jessica dean is on capitol hill. jessica, when i spoke with congressman byron donalds last hour, he said that it's the media who's calling this a standoff, that this is a negotiation. where do the negotiations stand now? >> reporter: well, that is an interesting take on everything. look. the fact remains that we are ent entering into this period of deep uncertainty on capitol hill where we're going to have to see how this plays out. republicans, specifically house republicans as you just noted are saying, look. we're not moving forward without some sort of negotiations over spending and some sort of fiscal deal. the white house is saying, there are no negotiations. you're going to pass what's known as just a clean bill. it's just the debt, raising the

debt limit, and that's where they are right now. a lot of people say that's just kind of the posturing before the real negotiating does start to begin. again, house republicans and kevin mccarthy, the house speaker specifically in a very specific situation because he's made a lot of concessions to some of these hardliners and there are some in his party who are a no on raising the debt limit no matter what negotiations take place. he's operating with this razor-thin margin that he has to maneuver through, and democrats are probably going to need some help from republicans -- or must need some help from republicans to get this through the house. when it comes to the senate, we did hear from mitch mcconnell just a couple of hours ago on this. he didn't seem too concerned. i'll let you listen to that. >> periodically, the debt ceiling has to be lifted, and it's always raa rather contentis

effort. in the end, the important thing to remember is that america must never default on its dealt. it never has, and never will, but we'll end up in some kind of negotiation with the administration over what the circumstances or conditions under which the debt ceiling will be raised. >> reporter: the big question now is what will that look like in the weeks and months moving forward? we also heard from chuck schumer in a statement just a little bit ago. he really pegging this on what he calls maga republicans saying that it's not complicated, that if they refuse to do this, it'll hurt american families. not much in the way, and not mentioning anything at all about negotiations. they've got to get to the point where democrats and republicans can agree to start talking. we know there are some bipartisan talks in the house that are just beginning. that's what we'll keep our eye on, victor and alisyn. >> okay. please keep us posted. jessica dean, thank you for the reporting. we're joined now by the chair of the white house council of economic advisers.

thank you so much for being here. this is about debt that has been racked up. this is our credit card, our national credit card that must be paid. so when you hear lawmakers like congressman andy biggs this week tweet, we cannot raise the debt ceiling. democrats have carelessly spent our taxpayer money and devalued our currency. they have made their beds, so they must lie in it. what's your response to that? >> well, look. thank you for having me. president biden understands intimately the importance of responsible legislating. it's why the inflation reduction act was paid for. it's why in his tenure, we have reduced the deficit by historic $1.7 trillion. that is the highest on record. he understands that we have to be paying our bills. it's why he's proposed making our tax code fairer, ensuring that the treasury department and the irs have the sources they need to crack down on tax

sheets. this is a different thing. this is about congress making good on paying for the legislation and the bills and the obligations that has already passed. since 1960, congress has raised the debt ceiling 78 times, 49 times with republican depar presidents, 29 times with democratic presidents. this should not be up for negotiation. the closer we get to what secretary janet yellen outlined, that's when these extraordinary measures no longer work, we have no more. the more costly it'll become for the u.s. taxpayer and federal government. in 2011 when the obama administration and congress got close. they were very close. we saw the credit rating for the united states government was downgraded, and that increased borrowing costs. it's irresponsible to even c contemplate not paying the bills. congress should just raise the debt ceiling and we can have further conversations about the right spending packages to put

forward, how to address the debt, but this is not that conversation. >> you just heard senator mitch mcconnell in jessica dean's piece there just say, we'll end up in some kind of negotiation with the administration over what the conditions are for the debt ceiling to be raised. so are you saying the white house will not negotiate? >> our position is we should not be playing and jeopardizing the full faith and credit of the federal government, and full stop. this is congress' responsibility to raise the debt ceiling. it has done so consistently three times under president trump because, you know, fundamentally, congress understands that is its responsibility to the american people. so congress should do its job. again, we can have conversations about the right way forward on fiscal spending, but right now, we need to make good on paying for the bills that we've already -- that we're already obligated to pay. >> yeah. i have been covering this since, i think, 2011, when it always

seems that it goes to the 11th hour. so we all all know this is our credit card bill, regardless of if it's a democratic president or a republican, but somehow congress pushes it to the 11th hour, and then -- i mean, it's basically a game of chicken, but as you know, there are some lawmakers right now who are in congress who seem comfortable with a game of chicken, and so what happens if we get to the 11th hour? >> honestly, we have been to the 11th hour, and we know that that can cause some, you know, issues in the federal markets. when the credit rating for the market is downgraded, that means our borrowing costs are higher. as you discussed in the opening, that can cause increases in interest rates, making borrowing costs higher for the federal government. it can make borrowing costs higher for others. it'll generate some financial

instability here and around the globe, but we have, you know, we don't like to get there. really, congress should just act now. let's get past this. why even cause in this period where we have had tremendous success in our recovery from the pandemic-induced recession, where we have -- we have inflation that is too high, but which is easing. our economy is on the right path. inflation is easing. we see the unemployment is the lowest it's been in 50 years, and th aea landing. we have threats going on with ukraine. congress should just raise the debt ceiling right now so we can continue on this path and get our economy back on its feet, get onto a path where we have sustainable growth that's more widely shared which is the focus of president biden. >> i only have a few seconds left. is there any way for president biden to raise the ceiling

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we just learned that dozens of people had access to this draft opinion and some employees even admitted to telling their spouses about it. >> reporter: they did. this was a wide-ranging investigation. now a 20-page report, and it shows just how wide-ranging this distribution of this draft was. at this point, today, though, the supreme court is acknowledging that this leak investigation has, in fact, hit this dead end. they've done 126 formal interviews with 97 employees, but at this point, they say they are still unable to identify the person responsible for that leak, that really did rock the supreme court and stun the country about eight weeks before roe v. wade was officially overturned, and you mentioned it. part of the reason it may be so difficult to pinpoint the person or people responsible is that this investigation specifically uncovered that it was 80 people who received digital copies of the draft. that was between february and march of last year. when they interviewed employees, 34 of those employees who got the draft, they admitted

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assessed and agreed it was thorough, but that many changes still need to be made even though they haven't found the leaker here. that includes several changes like restricting who gets those drafts. we saw it was 80 people, restricting the email distribution list for digital copies, and crucial here, limiting access of sensitive documents on mobile devices because this leak, of course, happened in the midst of the pandemic. so the court marshal is acknowledging here that there were, in fact, some gaps in security protocols that did emerge when people worked from home. so alisyn and victor, you know, this leak really has drastically changed the way that this court operates and will continue to change the way it operates, but the takeaway today, is that almost nine months after this leak, the person responsible still has not been identified. they may continue to investigate if more pops up, but it's possible we may never know the identity of this leaker. guys? >> all right. some changes likely to come.

jessica schneider, thanks. u.s. military officials in the coast guard say they're tracking a suspected russian spy ship off the coast of hawaii. this is significant given how high tensions are over the war in ukraine. >> cnn's oren liebermann is with us. tell us about the ship. >> reporter: the coast guard has been tracking this ship not just for a few days, but several weeks off the coast of hawaii in international waters. a pentagon spokesperson said a short time ago it is in international waters where it is allowed to be, and it hasn't conducted any unsafe or unprofessional actions or maneuvers that would raise alarm bells for the pentagon or the coast guard, but as you point out, it's the timing of this that is interesting with tensions high between washington and moscow, and that is why this is getting so much attention. there are russian spy ships that operate this way, in terms of operating in international waters including as we see now, off the coast of hawaii, picking up essentially whatever signals they can get, observing whatever aircraft movements they can see

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an impact so far on who should be getting screened, and the interval, but the study is interesting. i want to talk you through this. first of all, the recommendation for who should get a first colonoscopy stays the same. it's people between the ages of 45 and 75, and what this study looked at was the interval of every ten years. interesting, the 120,000 colonoscopies that were performed 10 years or 14 years after the original one. these are all in patients who had normal first colonoscopies. here's what they found. about 3.6% of women after ten years found something despite having a negative screening on the first test. it went up a little bit at 14 years at 4.9%. it's higher for men, but you get a sense, i get the ten-year follow-up, what's the chance it's going to show something? not very high, and this is -- it's sort of fascinating when you look at preventive screening tests and how have to, like, evaluate this sort of data.

again, nothing's changed officially in terms of the recommendations, but it might, more likely in women, and in younger people to answer your question specifically. they had the lowest chance of having a positive finding on that follow-upsanjay, for people tempted to reschedule the colonoscopy now, just remind us how important it is to get screened. >> yeah. i mean, this is all about that interval between the first and second colonoscopies. that's what this study is. when it comes to the first colon colonoscopy, age 45. it used to be 50. they lowered it to 45 a few years ago. by the way, i just had one of these not that long ago, and it wasn't that bad for all the concern and all the apprehension for people, it's not that bad, but let me show you the benefit overall from that primary, that first scan. 40% risk reduction of getting colon cancer. if you find a polyp or something abnormal, you're able to find

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there's some outrage growing in florida after the state blocked a pilot ap course on african american studies. >> state officials used governor desantis' stop woke act to reject the proposed curriculum claiming it violates state law and lacks educational value. cnn's senior national correspondent sara sidner is here with more. what is so objectionable? >> reporter: it's interesting. because the stop woke act and it s them saying it it is.

we haven't seen the specific things that they don't think should be talk and sure would. ultimately you're talking about the state board and this program, the college board, excuse me, they are the people that sort of implement ap so those are high-level advanced placement classes, classes that if you pass them and the test, you get college credit fort it. so it's college level work. guess what, crt is generally taught in college and not just college but law school. so it is very rare that something like crt, the actual, you know, teachings of critical race theory would be taught in k through 12s. most do not teach it but a lot conflate it with other things and group it into the big thing and the thing parents have been screaming about and worried about is they're worried white children will be taught that they are oppressors and black children will be taught they are

victims. that's where the underlying fire comes when you hear crt, it triggers people because it's been a political lightning rod but i want to read something from henry louis gates jr. we know him as a preeminent scholar on american history but specific african american history. here's what he has said. he said nothing is more dramatic thain ap -- than the college board launch an ap course in a field that signifies ultimate acceptance and ultimate academic legitimacy. ap african american studies is not crt it's not the 1619 project but a rigorously vetted, academic approach to a vibrant field of study. i do want to give you an idea where this came from. did you notice we didn't talk about 24 ten years ago? it's been the last couple of years and that is because of a gentleman named chris ftopher ro

who wanted to use it as a catch-all when it comes to teaching about race. listen to the interview we had because he tweeted something out and i asked him about it. here it is. >> you tweeted that it is you are going to create something toxic when it comes to the way people think about critical race theory. that's what you treated. >> that's inaccurate. critical race theory is intrinsically toxic. i'm merely revealing it and exposing it and creating a framework for people to understand it. it's not that i've turned it toxic. >> that is not what he tweeted in march. his tweet, we have successfully frozen their brand critical race theory into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions. we will eventually turn it toxic as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category.

he tweets that out and says everything that needs to be said. the quiet part outloud. they'll create this toxic thing that everyone is just going to put everything they think is insane underneath it. that is exactly what has happened in many respects. >> a plan, there is a strategy. >> there was. >> to use this to an end. >> and it worked. >> misch provisioned. >> sara, thanks for all that. all right, "the lead with jake tapper" starts after a short break. introducucing the new sleep number climate360 smart bed. the only smart bed in the world that activively cools, warms, and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep. only from sleep number. a dental tool is round for a reason. so is an oral-b. round cleans better by surrounding each tooth.

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