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this was a man who was prolific in how much music he was making. just went on twitter and he was still tweeting as recently as yesterday. just so prolific in so mean different ways of putting out music, writing songs, coming up with new tunes and so passionate about what he did. we also have a statement in from melissa etheridge as well and she posted this because her two children, the biological of them was david crosby and this is what she had to say there. >> i am grieving the loss of my friend and bailey's biological father of bailey. >> our deepest condolences to the family. what a great talent, stephanie. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts now. out front next, more on the
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breaking news. cnn confirming legendary singer david crosby has died. he was 81 years old. plus, a secret meeting between the director of cia and ukraine's president. we hear from a russian official bravely speaking out against putin. and desantis's statement. we are following some breaking news this hour. the legendary singer and songwriter david crosby has died. the grammy winner, two-time rock and roll hall-of-famer was the founder of the birds, crosby, stills and nash. crosby was 81 years old and we're going to have much more ahead in just a few minutes on his life and legacy. there's a song that they have that speaks to us all. we'll be speaking to our own bill leer who interviewed him to mark the 50th anniversary of
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woodstock which was actually crosby, stills and nash's second gig. so all of that coming up here as we confirm that sad news that will bring so many memories to everyone. i want to gbegin though with th secret meeting with the cia chief bill burns and volodymyr zele zelenskyy. burns briefing him of the upcoming battle plans. putin's top ally and there is an ominous threat. today world leaders warned that a nuclear war is occurring. it never occurs to any of the low lives to draw the following elementary conclusion from this, the loss of a nuclear power in a conventional war can provoke the outbreak of a nuclear war. referencing the possible loss. the low lifes speaking of those
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in davos. and talking about military aid to ukraine and the pentagon released the list of the second package to ukraine and this package, it's huge. for the first time it includes 90 striker armor personnel carriers which are fast and lethal. they will allow ukraine to bring the fight more quickly to the front lines. the package contains surface to air missile systems, armored vehicles and armory for the air defenses. the war escalating even more. as putin's insiders are threatening nuclear war in the context of a loss, there are some brave russians who are tonight putting their own lives on the line to speak out against putin. dozens of former officials are calling on opposition leader alexey navalny to be released. one courageous official from st. petersburg tells me he could no longer be silent about navalny
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even in the face of life or death risk. >> putin didn't manage to kill him. he was poisoned but he's trying to kill him right now in custody. >> a bold statement that makes him a clear kremlin target. palyuga who recently signed the letter had to flee but he won't return while putin is in power. >> everyone i know from the consulars, they all are looking forward to return to russia, but we all understand that we need putin's regime to fall down to do that. >> putin's regime to fall down. powerful words coming from an official, official from st. petersburg. it comes in the context of president zelenskyy upping the ante on the world stage. zelenskyy says the war will not
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end until ukraine reclaims crimea which is core to putin's identity. as we speak, the u.s. is increasing the types of weapons needed to help zelenskyy possibly strike ky me yeah. >> translator: this is our land. our goal is to de-occupy all our territories. crimea is our land. crimea is our territory. this is our sea and our mountains. give us heavy weapons, and we will return what's ours. >> been wedeman begins our coverage on the ground out front tonight. ben, in the context of the secret meeting, defense meeting tomorrow from western defense leaders, you have been talking to ukrainian troops who are just returning from some of the most horrific fighting in this war in soledar. what are they telling you? >> reporter: basically they're saying that what's going on around soledar, it's believed
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the russians may control most of that town, if not all, is that the fighting is incredibly intense and that both sides are taking heavy losses. they've been through the valley of the shadow of death. most but not all made it out of the valley alive but not unscathed. on this stretch road overlooking the battles for bakhmut and soledar, it is just safe to deliver the wounded to medics. strewn along the road a blood stained stretcher, a discarded, bloodied flak jacket. these are just back from soledar. they were facing wagner fighters. they were attacking in waves. now they're going back to safer
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ground. the combat they saw was intense. there were regular troops, says this soldier, and in front of them just meet convicts in packs, armor, no helmets. for them life has no value. down in the killing fields the shelling goes on without letup. the medics, there is no rest. sometimes the mortars don't give us any breathing space a medic tells me. we have many casualties from shrapnel, and when the snipers come, then there are many dead and wounded. troops transfer a fallen comrade from their armored car to a van.
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here the shadow of death weighs heavy. what is blaringly apparent at the front is that the ukrainians are struggling to hold the line and they are bracing for what is expected to be a massive russian offensive in the spring. the ukrainian officials in kyiv were obviously eager to hear from cia director william burns's expectations of the battlefield in the coming months, but they're also hoping to hear words of reassurance that the u.s. will continue to provide ukraine with essential support in the battle against the russians at a time when republican lawmakers are calling for defense -- cuts in defense spending. erin? >> ben wedeman, thank you so much on the ground in ukraine tonight. i want to go to now putin long-time critic, bill browder.
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now he's a wanted man by putin. bill, i always appreciate speaking to you. i want to start with something i know you understand better than anyone. that st. petersburg official that i spoke with earlier today is now in exile in georgia. he's speaking out. signed a letter asking putin to free alexey navalny, demanding they have the right they deserve and he told me some who signed that letter are still in russia. the how fearful are you for all of these people's safety? >> very fearful. basically there's no willingness on the putin regime to tolerate any dissent. anybody who says anything like that will be put on a list and those people will become targets and so i would imagine that if anyone signed that letter is still in russia, then there will be a target to be arrested or perhaps worse. >> you also heard dmitry say he and others who signed the letter who are not in russia, of course, many of them like here in countries that are very
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friendly to russia, they're looking forward to returning but they need putin's regime to fall first. that's how he put it. then he told me something else about alexey navalny. i want to play that for you, bill. >> navalny is slowly dying in prison right now, but i hope that he's strong enough to survive until something changes in russia and basically i think he's in prison until putin is in power. >> from what you see, bill, do you see a day any time soon in the context of this war and all the failures where putin's regime actually falls? then dmitry is free and others can return. is that day near? >> well, it's a possibility, but i would -- i hate to say. it's a low possibility. for example, if ukraine could push russia out of crimea,
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crimea was such an important thing for putin, that might be the kind of thing that might lead to the putin regime fracturing and falling but you also have to understand if for some reason that were to happen, putin would probably lose his life. putin is such a scared little man right now, so scared for his own life, he's ready to sacrifice the lives of hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of men to keep this war going to keep himself from being defeated. so that's why i say it's a low probability event that the regime falls, because putin will hang on for dear life and he'll put so much at stake in the meantime. >> assassinations inside russia, outside russia, using poison is sort of a signature, it's a calling card for putin's forces. navalny not the only putin enemy who has been poisoned. i spoke recently to the lawyer and also to the son of the
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former president who is, of course, a foe of putin. they say he's been poisoned by putin. they did dna testing. they said his arsenic levels were high. i want to show you a picture of him one year ago on the left. on the right there he is recently. he's in prison in georgia on abuse of power charges, which he says are false and politically motivated. i wanted to share with you a note i got frr his lawyer. you can see from the handwriting here, and that's part of what's hard to watch here, he suffered physical repercussions. it is hard to look at that. he writes, i really regret he didn't see me in kyiv as i had already gone on my ill-fated trip. do you have any hope that he will be freed and survive? >> well, i mean, what i see is something truly horrific and
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heartbreaking. this is a politically motivated arrest. he's being tortured in prison. the images that you've shown are deeply disturbing. i have lived through a similar situation with my lawyer who started out healthy and ended up being tortured to death in prison, denied medical care, dying in prison, so for me this is deja vu. when i saw those images i spoke out. since then his team has been in touch with me asking for my help, begging for my help to do anything that i can do to help them get him out of prison. it seems to me he's being held at the behest of russia. the vladimir putin has hated him since he stood up to putin in 2008 when they stood up for georgia. the putin is a little man and he
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never forgets. if he were to die in prison, i believe this would change the west's view of georgia for many generations. >> bill, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> bill browder. i want to go now to the retired army lieutenant general bill hodges. obviously we are hours away from a meeting on military aid to ukraine. the u.s. latest action is coming out. i know you believe we can accomplish this. the can we look at a map of the area so people understand the things zelenskyy needs to strike to accomplish this? >> erin, ukraine will never be safe or secure nor will it ever be able to rebuild its economy if russia still occupies crimea.
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so exactly as bill robert just talked about, the significance of crimea to russia as well as ukraine. it won't be a frontal attack with tanks trying to drive across that very narrow area that connects ukraine to the mainland. i think they can do this by making crimea untenable for the russians. the big navy base. sake is the airfield that became famous last summer when it was hit by drones and then of course there is a major logistics part in northern crimea. so with attackers, if they can get them close enough, then they start making the peninsula tenable. it will not be possible --
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>> the attack 'ems, they're just not sending them. can ukraine win without those? >> that will be very difficult, frankly. and i read undersecretary powell's statement that they think ukraine can accomplish what they need to a and i disagree. the idea is isolating it first with long range fires. attack 'ems, for example, if ukrainians had them right now, they could make sure that that bridge would never be repaired. the kirch bridge, already damaged and the other is a so-called land bridge. that's what the attack 'ems will
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do. the it allows you to sever those roads and isolate crimea for the risk. >> cut off the air supply. less deadly way to start. thank you very much, general hodges. thank you for your perspective. >> thank you. breaking news. we have just confirmed the legendary singer and songwriter david crosby has died. ♪ ♪ ♪ down by the river ♪ >> much more on his incredible life. plus, i'll be joined by bill weir who interviewed crosby and talked about death and life. the treasury department taking, quote, extraordinary measures to prevent an area of default. actor alec baldwin will be charged with involuntary
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>> crosby was the founding member of two legendary music groups, the birds and be crosby, stills and nash which also at times included neil young. it became the sound track for generations in the 1960s. the group, "our house," "down by the river," "southern cross." they performed at woodstock in 1969 which was the second gig together. the group won the grammy for best new artist. crosby received ten grammy nominations and was inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame twice. let's go to stephanie elam. anybody hearing this, it touches somebody in a way. there is a song over generations that everybody knows and remembers. what else do you know so far about crosby's death? >> reporter: yeah. it's something that the family is saying was a long-time illness that he had been suffering from, erin.
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still, when someone this iconic passes away, you definitely see the reverberation and feeling going out that someone who just created so much through all of his music, the writing, his guitar playing. i want to read you the statement from david crosby's family that we have received here at cnn. it says in part, it is with great sadness after a long illness that our beloved david coros crosby has passed away. he was loved by jan and jango. although he is no longer with us, he will live on through the legendary music. they wish peace, love and harmony to all the people who knew david and the people he touched. one of the people he touched was melissa etheridge and he was the biological father to her children.
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she said i am grieving the loss of my friend and my son's biological father. a true treasure. so there you have people who know him, knew him, not just for his music but knew david crosby the person mourning the loss of this iconic, iconic american musician. >> stephanie, as you point out, iconic musician with a complicated life that so many followed over so many years. thank you so much. let's bring in now bill weir who interviewed david crosby. bill, you're here with me. let me start with that. you traveled to david crosby's home. you interviewed him extensively for this documentary, their big moment onto the stage, shall shall we say, for the first time. what was that like? >> it was such a thrill on so many levels. as a music fan, it was a thrill. he's one of my hands down top
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three interviews ever because he's so open and honest. he could be a prickly s.o.b., as many of his band mates will attest, but he could be the sweetest, just loving guy. when he's sitting in the house and he says, do you want to hear some music i've written, his theme in life was second chances. he would joke, i can't believe hendricks and morrison didn't make it, i'm still here. he did some time for his cocaine and heroin addiction. had a liver transplant. came back. wasn't content to do cover songs. he wrote five albums in five years later in life as his health was failing. a lot of complicated feelings out there. >> absolutely. but incredible person with so many layers and why so compelling. i mean, jim, we mentioned crosby, stills and nash performed their second gig which is why bill was speaking to him
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originally. when you spoke to larry king, he was reflecting on the 25th anniversary in 1994. i wanted to play this one particular thing he said. >> like the rest of our generation, you know, we had a rough road, you know? we went through some very tough stuff. i'm one of the lucky ones that wound up alive afterwards. i feel now incredibly grateful to get to play music and be a part of this. i'm really awfully happy. i had what the french called -- i have a reason to be here. i am lucky in that i really love to play music and i've had great people to do it with. >> jim, how big of a loss is this, of someone who was such an icon, and over so many decades? >> first of all, i envy bill weir for having the opportunity
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to talk to him in person. he had a social responsibility that he showed through his music. often this will be a time when they had tremendous influence on me and others in my generation. i think you will remember david crosby not just for his music, but for the beautiful music but as much harmony vocally, there's not a lot of strength. the music will endure. >> perhaps incredible. tow have such strife. people are around and to be able to create something so beautiful and something we all can ponder. and, bill, i think since you did get to talk to him, one be of the things you spoke to him
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about was death. death and legacy. i wanted to play part of the exchange he had with you. >> this burst of creativity you've had, you sing about death. do you think about how you want to be remembered? >> not so much. the songs will do that. they're the best i can do. the death's a weird thing. everybody's scared to talk about it. my question is, what are you going to do with it? how do you spend that two weeks ♪ got to get ourselves back ♪ >> because it's the only thing i can do. >> get the goose bumps. >> that voice gives me goose bumps, especially with jonie mitchell in there. they were paired for a while. >> an item. >> then graham nash was. later in life he gave up a son
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for adoption in the '60s, raymond, who came back. they recorded for each other. if the guys who made that three-part harmony at 3 in the morning in woodstock can't keep it together, what hope is there for the rest of us? he said, no,s no, that was what we could be. maybe it's at the stage of life that i'm at, you think about your life and he says, how do you spend those two weeks or ten years and i've got that figured out. there's something very beautiful about that. >> absolutely. he would say, i've had a lucky, long run. you can throw a party for me. the music he made, especially the new stuff, hopefully people go back and listen to some of the new stuff. >> jim graham nash said, quote,
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it's with a deep and profound sadness that i learned. what has always mattered to david and me more than anything was the pure joy of the music we created with one another, the sound we created and david was fearless in life and in music. that is a tribute. >> it is, and i think that his friends loved him and often hated him but they always had the music and that was what lasted. it kept them bonded together and will endure long after they're gone. >> thank you both so very much. bringing just the pieces of him to life. next, prosecutors tonight laying out their case announcing actor alec baldwin will face charges after the deadly shooting on the "rust" movie set. and a potential financial
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tonight, blindsided. that's how an attorney for alec baldwin describes the actor's action for a fatal shooting on the sana'a of rust. sin k cinematographer could be facing a charge as well. khloe milas is "out front."
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>> start with the gun, yeah. >> reporter: actor and producer alec baldwin facing the charges on the new mexico set for 2021. >> one me -- >> we're getting the guys treated. >> reporter: mary carmack said no safety protocols led to it. >> it was the totality of the circumstances that this was a really fast and loose set and that nobody was doing their job. >> reporter: after the lunch break david halls yelled cold gun and was and the scene calls
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forboll win to let them out. shot in the chest. >> he didn't check it. he didn't do any of the things he was supposed to do to make sure he was safe or that anyone was saved. >> baldwin blamed the armorer and the assistant group. >> why didn't she check that bullet? why did he give me the gun? why didn't he check? >> attorneys for the armor and a stherp maintaining they were not at fault for the shoog. . they called the decision, quote, a several miskarnl of justice saying he was sure the gun do not have time to fight the charges. baldwin maintains he never pulled the trigger. >> i never once said never the
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gun went off. i pulled the hammer back. i never knew that. >> she has been emotional about the committee. plea agreement of negligence. hutchins family who reached an undisclosed proceed and they will cooperate with the prosecution. adding, quote, it is a comfort for the family that woun is above the law. every person who hasnd a gun, if you are going to use it, pull the trigger. it will not fire a projectile and kill someone. >> erin, we have heard from alec
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baldwin's attorney but we have yet to hear from him himself. i am standing in front of my downtown new york apartment. some fans are waiting to catch a glimpse. we know he's upstarts with his wife and family and, learned of it through the media. like the statement from his attorney that he plans to fight this. believes that he is innocent and will seed us through as a trial. she said alec baldwin's apartment. "out front" now, karen rogofilo. the kirn -- this is handed to them, a gun. shouldn't be blamed. was it negligent for baldwin to
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assume he was handed an unloaded gun or does the context of the people to weigh in. >> this is tough for the prosecution. there are two different charges of involuntary manslaughter, because he's an actor and he hat some of sort of role on a set. charging him as an actor because he pulled the trigger is a much large der charge. he's going to rely on the person handing him the gun or the crane operator. the caterer. >> there is an armorer. the. >> correct. he did have an armorer and their
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sole judge is to get them done. the law here requires criminal negligence, which means it's an accident but it's an accident with more. in new mexico they didn't use due caution and circumspection. like you just said, if it turns out that the recording is accurate, if this happens, al almost. there was an email from the head of the camera crew reporting saying there was accidental discharges on set and they were playing fast and loose on safety and they found four or five other live bullets on set. i think that there are some facts here that are going to be
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problematic for him as the producer and as someone who was responsible for conditions on the set and he said as a producer, he had a duty. i don't think as an actor you should check a glun. >> he was more than an actor. he was the producer. >> yeah. would he even know what was a fake? as you said, there was an armorer and he will say he was doing them the right way. >> karen, thank you very much. obviously a significant development and one we've reported he was shocked by. the next, extraordinary measures are being taken as america sets its debt ceiling. setting up a high stakes debt and what do the voters in
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tonight republicans refusing to budge as the u.s. is now one step closer to an economic crisis. treasury secretary janet yellen announcing the u.s. has hit the debt ceiling, $31.2 trillion.
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urging them to reach a deal to raise the debt limit. she warns extraordinary measures are being taken to prevent default. kevin mccarthy promised not to raise the debt ceiling without concessions. the white house insists there's nothing to talk about on that front. today neither side's blinking. >> this should not be up to negotiations. >> the white house strategy of, oh, we're not going to have any negotiations, is strange. >> ro khanna, your republican colleague, congressman andy biggs tweeted, quote, we cannot raise the debt ceiling. talking about democrats, they've made their bed so they must lie in it. here's a few more of your republican colleagues.
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>> i will not vote for a debt spending increase. >> the american people are tired of this. saying you're not going to negotiate is an untenable situation. >> i for one will not sign a clean bill raising the debt limit. >> congressman, the president said he would not talk about spending cuts. that's where the white house position is. so are you going to take this to the mat? are you going to try to call them on it and have a default or are you thinking, okay, some pending cuts? is. >> we're not going to default. this is a self-inflicted manufactured crisis. america should pay the debt that we have occurred. it's past congressing that have authorized that spelling. it was trump's tax cuts.
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some of the spending that democrats take precedence over. you can debate future spending but why are we debating whether we should pay our tests. we're spending it. there's plenty of bipartisan support and blame, whatever word you want to use. even on the democratic side, congressman, senator joe manchin said it's a good idea for democrats and republicans to sit down and talk about this. he said here's what he would like to see. >> we have to work together. that's going to take -- it's bipartisan. it's always been bipartisan as far as the debt ceiling. we're not getting rid of anything. you can't scare the bejee sus out of everybody saying we're going to get rid of social security. we need to so lidify it so the people who have worked and earned it get it. that's what we're talking about. >> what do you say to him? is the word bipartisan going to play here? >> if we want to have bipartisan
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conversations about how we reduce our future deficit. some of the spunding lessons but what we can't debate is the past debts. we may have a few voter, we don't say to this or we're going to crash the economy. that's like saying if you have an argument with your spouse threatening divorce every time. that's not responsible. >> all right. so, congressman, i want to ask you one other thing before we go. the breaking news on david crosby's death, the music icon. i know you're a big fan, too. what was your favorite song? what does this mean to you? >> i'm a fan. i mean, i probably -- "mr.
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tambourine man" because i'm a dylan fan. that was their cover song. like anyone, he went through ups and downs. he was so open and honest about the addictions, the struggles. he triumphed over it. i think that's so relatable, so human and it shows resilience. that's why so many people were drawn to him. >> absolutely. his words there at the end, being ready and comfortable with his choices. so powerful. thank you so much, congressman. >> thank you. next, republican george santos responding to the new jersey veteran who claimed santos gave to and more on our breaking news of legendary singer and songwriter david crosby. what crosby was saying about his plans just a few weeks ago.
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tonight, constituents of embattled republican george santos sending a letter to kevin mccarthy calling him to oust santos over his many lies. the letter says in part, and i quote, in the history of this country an impostor has never been seated in the house of representatives until now. the george santos sitting in congress is not the george santos the voters elected. many layers to that statement. mccarthy of course has stood by santos, even appointing him to two committees as the congressman has faced this incredibly intense scrutiny. the latest accusation comes from a new jersey veteran who claims santos took funds intended for his dying dog's cancer surgery in 2016. that veteran shared his story with us last night. >> santos decided that she did not want me to use my local vote. he wanted me to use his vets in long island or queens. i even was dumb enough to give him my bank account and my
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routing number because he said he was going to put the money right into my account. never happened. that is when i started smelling something fishy. that somebody like that, that could do something that dastardly could raise to such high position, this shouldn't be right. that shouldn't happen. >> "outfront" now, adam kinzinger, the former republican congressman and now senior political commentator. congressman, santos today calling rich's story a distraction. he went on twitter and he said the reports that i would let a dog die is shocking and insane. and i should note as we played that sound bite, you and i were sitting here, the red box was the ashes of the dog. he still keeps those by his bed. he said that dog saved his life, saved him from suicide at least twice. you remember the military. you served in the national guard. you still are doing your service. so what's your reaction to this? >> it's sickening. dogs, for a lot of these veterans that come back with
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ptsd, or they feel lonely, they're struggling with depression, it's really been something that's been discovered in the last decade of being so powerful, but dogs have saved a lot of people's lives, from suicide. from reckless behavior. and there is a special bond. i've never had a service dog, so i don't understand that. but there is a special bond there that exists. and this is a specially disturbing story. and to representative santos, anything you ever lied about will come out. just know that. and so i think there is going to be a lot more. >> and it keeps coming out. >> right. >> now there is that story, which is disturbing and terribly sad. now newly uncovered immigration records stating that his mother was in brazil at the time of the 9/11 attacks, which why would that be relevant? well, it's relevant because santos has told a very different story. so she is in brazil on the 9/11 attacks. here is what he said she was doing on that day. >> my mom was a 9/11 survivor. she was in the south tower, and she made it out.
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she got caught up in the ash cloud. >> she was in brazil. there was another time he claimed she died at a different time. okay, 9/11 was the main reason you said you chose to join the military, and you hear this. >> between the dog, between this, in is somebody that has to thrust himself into whatever situation he is in and lie about it. may not even realize he is lying anymore. but if you think of those many near us tonight that have survived 9/11, those with family members that didn't survive 9/11, to pretend to be one of those, it's like a stolen call it almost a stolen valor. it's like taking away the real sacrifice that fire, police, military have made as a result of 9/11. it's sick. and it just keeps coming, more and more every day. >> and do you think he survives? >> no, there is no way. he can maybe stay in congress for these two years. i actually think congress should expel him or at least censure him. he didn't get reelected for
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sure. but there is -- people are sniffing on his heels when it comes to prosecution. i don't know how he survives. i don't know how the leadership doesn't say we're done with this guy. i don't know how they give him committees. >> and what about on committees, the oversight committee, since you know so much about this, election denier, marjorie taylor greene, paul gosar, scott perry suggest to the january 6th investigation, they're all onnette. >> yeah. >> what do you make of that? >> this is some of the things i think were promised to get votes. >> it's the deal. >> these are some of the deals. give me this, give me that. and you're going to see some crazy investigations, which congress has a right to investigate. let's be very clear. but they're going to go from that legitimate responsibility to marjorie taylor greene, you know, with some of the things she said. and mass shootings not being real. it's disappointing. >> congressman, thank you very much. i appreciate your time, as always. and great to you in person here. >> great to be here. and next, more on our breaking news of singer david crosby's death. what crosby was saying just weeks ago about his plans for this new year. nnings.
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and before we go, some parting words from rock pioneer david crosby, who has died at the age of 81. crosby was an avid tweeter. 81 years old and an avid tweeter. he was tweeting about his plans for the future just weeks ago. he tweeted "so i played with some friends the day before yesterday and spent today singing with two really good friends, and hmm, dare i say it? i can i'm starting yet another band and going back out to play live." so many here would have loved to hear crosby one more time. but maybe his words are more prescient than we know. maybe he is doing just like he said. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening, but a sad one. david crosby has died. he was a founding memb