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- [announcer] do you have an invention idea but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. good evening, everyone, i'm laura coates and this is "cnn tonight," and we have stunning news tonight, alec baldwin facing criminal charges in the deadly shooting on the set of
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the movie "rust". prosecutors planning to charge the star with involuntary manslaughter in the death of cinema to gography hell lean in a hutchins. after she was killed by a problem gun fired by baldwin in 2021. it is also some very sad news tonight on the death of a foal can rock, icon. david crosby has died at the age of 81. his family says after a long illness, he has succumbed. he's one of the founders in crossby stills gnash and young. who could forget songs like, well, like this. ♪ [music] ♪ teach your children well, their
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father's hell ♪ it's slowly go by ♪ . >> and i want to bring in cnn's bill wire who enter viewed bill crosby who interviewed him in wood stock. blood to have you here and lean on your expertise in this icon in particular. i want to begin with you, bill, if i can, because you enter viewed david crosby for the woodstock interview. tell me some of the highlights during your time speaking with him. >> well, it was the second time i hung out with cros, he's hands down one of the top. i'm such a music fan of his era, but, because he's one of the most honest and open books at this stage of his life. his whole life, when i met him around 2005, and throughout the years we had kept in touch, he
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had been through heroine and cocaine addiction, he had been in jail in texas he had eight stint in his heart and had a liver transplant. his son who he had given up for adoption, he met and he was a musician and they toured together. he was grateful and sort of sheepish that he didn't expect to survive like janice joplin. he was not content to play csny, he had all of this stuff he wanted to get down. and i asked him about it, and there was a song at that time, he recorded, the lyric is "i've been thinking a lot about dieing and how to do it well". and that led to this question. >> the burst of creativity that you've had is thinking about death, do you think about how you want to be remembered?
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>> not so much. the songs will do that. they're the best i could do. that's the weird thing everybody's scared to talk about, the question is, what are you going to do with it, how do you spend that two weeks or 10 years, i got that figured out. family, music. ♪ >> ♪ because it's the only thing that i can do. >> he's such a complicated, interesting guy, he could be lovable or a complete pour cue pine and burn a lot of bridges, including band mates. >> what a chance to have that interview and to have his words. greg, i want to know from you, i mean, what was your reaction when you first heard of news of his passing today? >> you know, um, thank you,
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laura, and it was, um, it seemed like he was bullet proof, right? this is a guy that went through a lot, um, always seemed to come back for more. and, then the other thing that i thought about and, um, everybody, i think in music, is just that harmony, that vocal harmony that is truly the cornerstone of the california sound. and that was a very, very, important piece, you know, the birds were significant, they were rock-n-roll hall of fame inductees, and of course, crosby stills and nash were inducted as well. the other thing that was amazing that came through in the interview that you did, is just, he had a joy for music, it was a magic, and sometimes that's what the more troubled things are elsewhere, when you're making music, that's where everything
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is perfect and everything is one. and, i think that um, he shared that in his induction speech, he talked about that music is alchemy and magic, bitter sweet for us in cleveland, ohio, we lost a two-time inductee. >> i want to play a little more about that induction speech where he said that you were just talking about. >> music is magic. music bridges the gap between human beings. that each man is an island stuff, that's true, but, music does bridge that gap. it's been mankind's universal language since mankind started. i don't want us to forget that in the business part of it. it is a transcendent magic. we are privileged to be allowed to do
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it. bill, when you think about those words and just, the man behind the music, he wasn't always alone, obviously, he was very much somebody who was talked about in the same conversation with his former band mates and there's a lot of controversy, conflict and the like. what did he say to you about them splitting up, did he ever think they would resolve their differences? >> he was sort of resigned to the fact that he pissed them off and he owned it and he said he was horm horrible to them, not the least of which becoming a full blown addict. you know, he dropped out of college, a southern california kid, dad was a cinematographer in hollywood. then, they couldn't get along and he forged this super group, where, the first time they
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harmonized with the momma's and the poppa's house, and graham nash and steven stills knew. nash stills and crosby sounds like a law firm. and kneel young came by at joni mitchel's house and he said "i want to join the band, and they were like, what can you do, and they brought him on. but, at the end they weren't talking to one another anymore, either it was insulting a spouse. but, cros said he had a huge ego. when you look at woodstock, the second set ever was at 3:00 a.m. on a monday. the beauty of that that's the little trio on stage there, so, i asked cros about the breakups."
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>> if the four guys who gave us these incredible harmonies can't exist conflict-free, what hope is there for the rest of us? >> always remember, those four guys were in conflict long before woodstock and long after woodstock, woodstock was the bright, shiny day, it was the exception. woodstock was a glimpse of what we could have. >> of course, he was a proud flaming liberal, and very much vocal both in protest songs in the vietnam era, and in the george w. bush presidency, he was totally engaged in the news, that's how we became friendly, but, just a fascinating, interesting, really smart guy. >> you know greg, bill mentioned the phrase super group, i guess cream was the first super group but crosby stills and nash was the first american super group. tell us
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about that. >> by the way, bill, that was a wonderful history in laurel canyon there, that was interesting. so, you have the birds who are just massive and they're defining that sound, right, they're defining that southern california sound. and then you have the buffalo springfield, also very successful, and the members of those bands come together, and that's where you get crosby stills and nash. what's remarkable is so often that happens and it's not what you are hoping for. in a way, the combination of those voices and the weaving of those voices in the music, just think about wooden chips, i think we led in with that today, if you just hear that song, and close your eyes, you get goosebumps, and it's the 100s, or 1,000th time you heard it, you get the
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goosebumps. this is the song that he made, arguably without these bands, you don't have the eagles, you don't have where country rock goes later in the '70s, that just doesn't happen. and david crosby was a massive cornerstone to that piece, and it's a shame they weren't together constantly, where would they have gone? where they went was remarkable. >> music is magic, it bridges the gap between human beings. a lot of people felt the gap lessen because of him. so, thank you both tonight. >> you bet. >> thank you, laura. >> later tonight we'll have a deep dive in the charges against alec baldwin. and when we come back, the supreme court saying they still can't figure out who
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leaked that draft of the overturning of roe v. wade. we're going to take a quick break as we remember the legendary icon, david crosby. ♪ [music] ♪ [music ]
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chew over, 126 interviews of 97 people employees admitting sharing details with their spouses and the supreme court still has not figured out who leaked that draft opinion overturning roe v. wade last year. so, what does all of this mean for the court ahead of what looks like another contentious year with a whole lot of very important issues. joining me is senior correspondent at new york magazine and co-author of notorious r. b. g., i'm glad that you are both here, because, i'm telling you, i've been looking through this, and of course, many of us are watching this and seeing this when it first leaked and thought, who did this, get to the bottom of this quickly and i wonder how it would impact the integrity of the report. then, i thought, i'll start with you, steve, it's being touted, this investigation as being very thorough, but, did i miss something that mentioned
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specifically whether the justices themselves or the spouses were actually interviewed? did you see anything about that? >> laura, if you missed it, i missed it. if we're measuring thoroughness whether the investigation was investigated by the coseu cops, that's one thing, but, this has all the hall marks of an investigation that never seriously intended to find what it was looking for. not asking for polygraphs from any of the dozens of employees who were interviewed. not asking the justices, not asking the justices' family members if they had knowledge of the leak. in some cases, basically, asking the employees to say, "did you do it?". and if they said, no, that's the end. why wouldn't the court be invested in getting to the bottom of it, and i think the answer is no resolution is probably better at this point
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than a resolution that will piss off half the country, where it's identified from one side of the aisle. >> it's really intriguing the aspect of them not actually ever seriously intending. i wonder if that's the trust, and i wonder if you could weigh in on this, because, i wonder if you don't enter view the people who have drafted the opinion, of course, the american public is saying to themselves, i wonder what's going on behind closed door, outside of the eye of the public in the offices. when the justices are trying to convince one another, and exchanging drafts back and forth and trying to nudge one in a direction. we get the feeling this was either to lock somebody in or to encourage somebody to change based on the fallout, how do you see this investigation? >> well, i just checked and it's been seven hours since i reached out to the supreme court's public regulations
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office asking that exact question which was did they interview the justices and if not, why not? since then, i haven't gotten a response. i know that multiple other reporters reached out to the public information office and have not heard back as far as anything published. so, i guess i'm left wondering, why do this at all? as steve said, it shows there's no particular appetite to find out who leak it had. but, there were under no only combings to conduct the investigation or to write this super weird report that on the one hand is very revealing and on the other doesn't really tell us that much. ultimately, this is a decision that affected the lives of millions of people and continues to affect the lives of millions of people, and this on some level was a sideshow and on the other hand, it shows us how very unaccountable and how very secretive this institution is. >> i mean, the story of washington d.c. in the past several weeks has been people really don't know how to handle
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documents, it seems, especially documents which are important to the way we order our lives or to our feeling the person security, autonomy and agency, perhaps. i wonder, in terms of the lesson here, because, it's not looked at in a vacuum, right, steve, the idea that there's already questions about the credibility of the court, the integrity of whether it's political or not, of course, they've been fighting the perception that they should be regarded as anything less than objective, and yet, when this happened, will this have a negative impact, and i just wonder how the public sees the court, but, really how they interact with each other. >> oh, i think there's no question. i think when the justices publicly go out and say, you know, we're going to have a hard time trusting each other, right? this is going to change how we function behind the scenes, that has to be right. and i think that we saw the one thing in the report that actually head sense was some of the information
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technology-related recommendations about modernizing the court's infrastructure, about actually imposing the kinds of security protocols that every other government entity needs coto. and frankly there's a lesson there, this is the kind of thing that as recently as 20 years ago would have been the invitation to some inner branch dialog, like, hey, congress, we could use money for security. we could use help trying to create a secure system in the building. and you look at something like the chief justice' year-end report, the statement that john roberts put out on new year's eve, there were all kinds of things to talk about, how congress can help and how the courts can benefit from
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being a part of the inner branch conversation. for me, it's why do the report? i think it's of a piece of mentality that there's nothing rot ton in denmark, when the report is evidence of all the ways this is not true. and whether you like what the court is doing on the merits or dislike what the court is doing on the merits, this is not how we expect an institution to function. >> i want to hear your idea to the idea of a healthy institution. >> i think it's clear that the supreme court being left to do this on their own devices is not working. i liked that they couldn't track the printing because they have so many. so, to say this investigation was thorough, it was perhaps a thorough investigation from their viewpoint.
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that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck. well, we have a major development in san francisco, an advisory committee on african american reparations releasing a proposal that includes a one-time payment of $5 million to each eligible black resident to address institutional harms inflicted on black americans. the committee has no authority to implement this recommendation, but the proposal will be considered by the san francisco board of supervisors. let's talk about it with former republican congressman, joe walsh, and joe fin any, it is important because we're thinking about and reading it is it a
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one-time payment, $5 million to each are or total in full, there was a case in illinois where they had a similar plan, not that amount, it was $25,000 per person instead, but, here, they show on the screen this lump-sum payment. this is going to be a contentious issue. the idea of reparations more broadly has remained a contentious issue for a variety of reasons. what do you make of this proposal? >> well, given that the committee doesn't have the ability to actually make this happen, it seemed like more of a messaging opportunity to say we've got to reckon with slavery, and i do think, that, to my mind, is what we have to as a country have a conversation. like, we need truth and reconciliation about not just the harms of slavery, in terms of the ability to generate and generational wealth, but, when we talk about red-lining when we talk about
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what happened with the g.i. bill, after world war i when african americans came home and were treated like second-class citizens or talking about social security. i mean, there are structural, systemic policies that prevented african-americans, we talk about wanting everybody to start at the same place, but there are a lot of people in the country that have never had a chance to get to the starting block. and we have to acknowledge that it is a very divisive issue. unless we talk about truth and recognition, it hands maga republicans something to hit with. >> >> this country desperately needs a tough, honest conversation about reparations. you mentioned evanston, illinois, there are a number of
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localities to implement reparations on a small scale, a good place to start. but, my god, for san francisco to pose $5 million per eligible resident, no matter the details, laura, republicans will pass. look at what desantis it doing right now in florida, just pushing this racial stuff. he knows his voters don't want to deal with our racial history. this will just feed, i think, republicans like that more ammunition. >> it is a testament to the power of a headline and a sound bite. i will say, there are eligible people, they have to be 18 years of age or older, have been identified as black or african-american for at least 10 years and meet criteria, including having been morning or migrated between 1940 and 1986,
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having been incarcerated on the war on drugs, and there are a number including, what you mentioned, red-lined communities. when you think about this, this is the task that so many different localities are grappling with and the idea of how do you determine eligibility, if you get passed the political hurdle of saying "let's do this?" how do you do it, because that's where the rubber meets the road. you mentioned reconciliation. the south african, truth and reconciliation, the meetings that they had and the hearings on these issues, very powerful in coming to terms and addressing what was the obviously, more than elephant in the room, but, i wonder, we've had these conversations many times in this country, acknowledging the ills and evils of slavery and the long history,
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and it's current impact. and yet, it seems to fall on deaf ears, even when numbers like this come up. >> one of the things that i don't like, and i grew up in the bay area and i can say this one of the things i don't like about this is it's too out there, come on, you're not going to give $5 million to let's say, 100,000 people. that would bankrupt the city. the other example you gave, $25,000 per person -- >> they fought that too, though. >> of course they did, but, at least there's a level of here's what we could do. or universities, like, some of our founders were slave owners, what can we realistically do. >> we need to start with truth and reconciliation, because we need a shared agreement about the harms of slavery, we need a shared agreement. i mean, there are people in this country who
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still revere robert e. lee, i happen to be related to him, there are people in my family who won't say "he was a bad guy". we have to be able to agree on the basics before we could have a real conversation on what reparations can look like. >> democrats shouldn't be afraid to lead into this, this isn't helpful to them. >> well, we will see what happens, again, and what they do in san francisco. speaking of what might be helpful in leaning into, problems and contentious issues, can congress do anything about george santos? i spoke to a republican member of the house oversight committee about that today, we'll tell you what he said, next. my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... the burning, itching. the pain. emerge tremfyant®.
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well, there are new developments tonight in the george santos saga, a group of
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residents in his own district is issuing an open letter to house speaker kevin mccarthy, calling themselves concerned citizens of new york three. the group called out the freshman congressman for being an imposter and pushed for mccarthy to stand up against santos, writing quote, each day that goes by that george santos occupies a seat in the house is an insult the 700,000 plus residents of the third district and the country at large. we ask that you immediately withdraw your support for santos and seek his resignation. joe walsh and karen fin any are back with me now. and joining us is cnn national politics reporter eva joining us this evening. first of all, it's obvious that what's happening in washington d.c. is impacting the people within his own district. they're hearing about this, they're learning about this, they were the ones who were voting, whether they voted for him or not, they had the opportunity to elect a candidate
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of their choosingious but they assumed, of course, like we all should that the candidates is who they say they are going to be. i wonder if this letter that gives indication of what they want to happen, you know, they can't do anything about it for two more years unless mccarthy or others say something about it. i had a cans to speak with congressman scott perry and ask him about this and what he makes of the idea that he's still in congress, listen to this. >> it does seem like a fraudulent thing. unfortunately, there's not a remedy that i know of in congress. now, if there's a remedy in thinks state to recall him based on potentially fraudulent accusation or claims made to get elected, i think that's fully within the purview of that state and the el
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electorate. >> learn your job, scott perry, actually, they could vote to remove him. congress could take a vote, as i understand it. if you go through the ethics committee process, you could then seek to remove him. and they could speed along the ethics committee process, or, as we said before, they could have not put him on committees, particularly where there's money flowing in and out the door. it's a little rich, i i have to say hearing from scott perry, on this issue because i have other issues with him. but, look, i think it's clear this is an example of how week a speaker mccarthy is. i mean, he needs george santos, and george santos knows he's probably safest sitting in congress. so, he's not going to step down and it doesn't look like mccarthy's going to do anything. >> that's the point, there's not been a political
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repercussion, the attempt to shame or have a pile on of accusation, there's things he's admitted to lying about, but, is this the answer to the old question, "have you no shame?". nope. >> well, apparently not, laura, i think it's a blessing and a curse of our system that it is so difficult to remove someone from elected office. and that's because the people's choice is held in such high regard. but, what that letter says from those constituents in the third district of new york was this was not the choice we made. the person that we voted for, we don't know this person. i think you asked, well, what they can do, they're doing all that they can, right? they have limited power, but, they can continue to try and put pressure on their representatives, i think that's why we saw the new york republicans calling for santos to resign. white house they're hearing from her constituents
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who are the squeaky wheels here and want them to take action. >> speaking of squeaky wheels, there's a lot of people talking about the committee, about members in part including santos, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, and i asked congressman perry about his own assignment to the oversight committee, given that there has been allegations of a conflict of interest, conversations around january 6th. listen to his answer. so, since i'm not a target, i don't see why i should be you know, considered unworthy or unable to investigate, um, the malfeasance, and the overreach of the federal government. as a matter of fact, since i'm not a target yet they seized my cellphone, i'm particularly the guy that should be on that committee and others like me should be on the committee, because we all know all to well
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what it's like to be persecuted unjustly and undually by the enormous and immense power of the federal government. >> what do you say to that, joe? >> i say, and not to defend perry, but, he's the republican party. he's an election denier, and a january 6th, sympathizers. that should be fringe. get rid of scott perry, get rid of marjorie taylor greene. as we said before, good luck finding a republican to put on that committee whose not a an election denier or a january 6th sympathizer. that's the reality. this is most of this caucus now. >> but, the idea that there's no conflict of interest. what do you make of that? >> i think he's wrong. a couple of thing, remember that he flouted the january 6th committee when they asked him to appear. so, why should we take him seriously on any oversight
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committee, i mean, i would flip his own answer back on him. and the conflict of interest, i think there are at least 10 election deniers who actively worked and there's been now reporting, i believe cnn verified and shows that congressman perry was more involved, actually, around some of the election, not just the denial, but the attempt to put in a different attorney general, what have you. so, is that someone who should be sitting on an oversight committee, particularly given that trump is running for office, is his goal going to be oversight or den grading joe biden to make him a week candidate. >> i just want to say the chair of the committee did vote to certify the election. we should at least give him credit there. >> it's an important point. and again, it's one in which many are looking at and says, hold on, large issues with santos and beyond, the american people have chosen the
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representatives, assuming they did not have somebody who lied about who they were or their platforms, but, the fact that we don't have a real mechanism, other than the long process that's been a very rarely used process, does speak volumes about, perhaps the loophole that may be law makers want to look into. well, there are no details about the school shooting where, you remember this story, a 6-year-old allegedly shot his teacher. we'll speak to someone who was there right after this. don't settle for silver. harness the power of 7 moisturizers & 3 vitamins to smooth, heal, and moisturize your dry skskin. gold bond. champion your skin. how many rooms are in there? should we go check it out? yeah. we get to stay here all weekend! when youtay at a vrbo... i call doing the door code! ...the host doesn't stay with you. it looks exact like the picture. because without privacy in your vacation home... it's a full log cabin guys. ...it isn't really a vacation...
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-- that they will return home safely. don't have a family dinner where i talk about where my kids will hide in their school. >> she's terrified. because a person that was advocating for her got hurt. she got hurt. >> you guys should've been defending or protecting her when she came, whoever came and said that there was a possible weapon in that classroom. in that child backpack or otherwise. >> joining me now, -- her grandson attends the school, and she was actually there the
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day of the shooting. and gave first aid to that teacher. also, with me cnn national security analyst, juliette kay, glad have you both here. let me begin with you -- you are actually going to the school to pick up your grandson that day, saw this teacher who was touching and clutching her body, and you saw that she was bleeding. and you helped her -- and provided the first date. what were you going through your mind? what did you think happened? >> at that point, we knew that a teacher had been shot. we knew that someone had been shot. because another school official came into the office where i was, signing up my grandson, and let us know that it was a shooter and someone had been shot. within a few minutes, then miss warner came into the office, holding her hand. and stating that she had been shot and to call 9-1-1. at that point, she laid out on the floor and she did, she was
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in a lot of distress. it was really scary. it was very scary. we did know what to do, i didn't know really exactly what to do. so, someone just yelled, put pressure on her wound. at that point, she was on the floor, and i did that. >> oh my god. the trauma of what happened and what that must of been like, obviously, for her and for you, trying to piece everything together. what have you made of the school's reaction in response? there is reports about whether the gun was secure, why he had it in the first place. what have you made of the school's response to now? >> well, up until -- as far as the school's response to the shooting, once the teacher came into the office, and there was others in the office as well, two secretaries and then someone else came into the office. so, once they got into the office, the teacher was secure
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and the schools response they was doing everything they could to make sure that the teacher, the other children in the school were safe. because at that point, we knew it was a shooter, we don't know who it was, where was. before miss warner came into the office, we did know who it was. so, that was the panic there. afterwards, which we found out then, everything kind of calmed down a little bit. and then i guess they were communicating over the waukee sort of the phones in the classrooms. and we were told that the person that was shooting, the child, had been secured. they had someone else had the child. >> juliet, when you hear this, of course, your training and expertise is contemplating and many scenarios the worst-case scenario. what to do. how to avert this from happening. how to solve the problem, how to react. what do you think when you hear about some of the changes that are being proposed, including things like clear backpacks,
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the idea of forcing students to have a search or other mechanisms. what do you think of all that? >> i mean, we always go to defensive measures, rather than intervention. and i and we don't know all the facts yet, but i'm gonna tell you from our reporting, there's two moments where there should have been an intervention. the first, of course, what does it mean, what do the parents mean to say that the gun is secure? that's just not factually accurate. it can't possibly be. maybe they thought it was secure, it was not secure to their six-year-old. the second factual question we have, there is a time period that the school knows that there might be a gun on campus. they, at least by reporting, search his backpack, the child backpack, they do not see it. did they not go to him and try to isolate him. this is a child, described by the parents, not me, described by the parents as having educational disorders.
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i don't remember their exact language. and also, strong oversight by the parents. because of behavioral mental issues. so, those are my two intervention points. before i get all the kids locking down in clear backpacks, the adults never did anything. let's just focus on the adults. virginia has no requirement to secure a weaponry in a home with children. it's not even clear, in this case, that the law is going to cover this case because the law is complicated in terms of recklessness. the reckless law that you hear people talk about is only if the victim is under 14. not if the shooter is under 14. so, organ of to see if there's any legal claims or against the adults. i think we really need to focus on the intervention by adults at this stage. the six-year-old child who had issues before and the interventions were not taken. >> -- the focus ought to be as well on the children who were
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impacted, and i certainly hope that your grandson is okay, as are the other students in the school who are grappling with what could have been, and parents, like myself, i have a mom of school age children, and to hear about gun violence again in a school is really disturbing. thank you. >> you're very welcome. >> speaking of gun violence, what can possibly go wrong, well, alec baldwin facing two counts of involuntary manslaughter for the fatal shooting on the set of one of his movies. blind side is the word he uses as it is attorney is using to describe the way that alec baldwin now feels. we've got a deep dive into all those charges, after this.
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