>> good evening, but i said when -- dave crosby has died. he's a member of --

crosby stills nash and young. -- and for his the ages. ♪ ♪ ♪ david crosby, with stephen sales and graham nash, i would stop, only the second concert as a trio, still famously telling the crowd there a scare they were for most of his 81 years, though, his musical partner crosby seemed fearless tireless as a life that was as turbulent as his music was shooting and quietly brilliant. our randi kaye has more.

>> he helped shape the sound of 1960s folk rock as a founding member of the birds. but david crosby will always be best known as a founding member of crosby, stills and nash. the wildly popular group was made up of crosby, stephen steals and graham nash. their sound was distinctive for its melody and harmonies. ♪ ♪ ♪ in the midst of the late 60s, well, canyon california, their debut album went multi platinum. >> snaps lovejoy. it's what i was going to do. >> i love it. more than anything -- i family. it's the most fun you can have. and yes, i'm including sex. it's really, really a joy. you are communicating to people and you are making them feel something. >> a 1969, neil young join the

group. and together they emerged as a powerful cultural influence. a clash of egos between young and crosby got in the way though. >> that was not, easy big ego. >> no brains. >> the original trio disbanded through the 1970s, but some members regrouped through the years. including coming back together to have the classic southern cross. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> in 1989 they played the berlin wall. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we have this uncle chipping away and we just said hey we're go there and it wasn't a logical thing. it's just something we want to do when we did. >> over the years crosby shows addiction. the 1982 after his arrest in texas on driving weapons, charges he would spend five months in prison.

>> i did finish being a completely wasted addict. i had to get straight. and then once a jump backed in wholeheartedly. >> cocaine and alcohol abuse took its toll. because crosby of liver transplant surgery 1984. he wrote about his the actions in an autobiography a longtime got. still possibly continue to tour after that. in june, 2021 crosby spoke with howard stern. he offered his philosophy in life. >> i am at the end of my life howard and it is a very strange thing. here's what i've come to about. it is not about how much tom got. because we really don't know. i have two weeks. i could have ten years. it's what you do with the time we have now. so i'm trying to really spend it well. whatever state that i get i'm very grateful for and i try to do it making music. i think the world needs music. >> david

crosby was 81. >> just a short time ago, graham nash posted a statement on his facebook page. i want to read some of it to you. it is with a deep and profound sadness that i learned that my friend david crosby has passed. -- relationship that -- the sound we've discovered with one another and the friendship we shared over all these many long years. he added, dave it was fearless in life and music, police behind tremendous floyd as far as sheer personality intelligence world. he spoke his mind, his heart and his passion through his beautiful music at least an incredible legacy. these are the things that matter most. my hardest really with his wife, jan, his son django, and all the people east hutchins well. joining us now is ron brownstein, who happens to be a cnn political analyst, but is

more notably tonight -- the author of -- fascinating book. he's in los angeles, along with cnn's stephanie elam. stephanie, what is the crosby family saying and how are others in the music industry reacting tonight? it does not really matter how long someone has lived, how long their career has been, it's still always devastating when someone -- people who have listened to their music and have grown up with, passes away. you can see this with emotion coming up and pouring out anderson. let me repeat what they said the statement here. it's with great sadness after a long illness that our beloved david crosby has passed away. he was lovingly surrounded by his wife and soulmate jansen django. although he is no longer with us his humanity and kind soul will continue to guide on this virus. his legacy will continue to live on through his legendary music. peace, love and harmony to all those who knew david and all

those he touched. they go on to say, at this time, they're asking for privacy while dealing with this profound loss, which you can only imagine. and it is not just the immediate family. it's also massive iconic musicians like melissa etheredge. you may remember that david crosby was the biological father to her two children, one of whom has pre to ceased crosby. but still, i want to read her tweet as well as she put out today. it says, i'm grieving the loss of my friend and bailey's prairie logical father david. gave me the gift of david family i will forever be grateful to him, django and jan. his music and legacy will inspire many generations to come. a true treasure, anderson. >> -- he talked about david's legacy and his career. there's a lot i didn't know and just in reading from your book -- it is extraordinary, it's contributions to music, to folk rock really in l.a., which really kicked off rock and roll

in that time period. >> yeah, he was a founding father of folk rock in general and the l.a. sound in particular. one of the original members of the birds which, in many lays, with a fountainhead from so much was developed over the next decade. the mr. recording of bob dylan's mister tambourine man really set the template for so much of what came later, with those jangling guitars, the ethereum harmonies. and then you move forward a few years, to crosby, stills a national and crosby stills nash and young, they were, anderson, very conscious of being a voice of a generation, and very determined to be relevant. in his memoir, many years later, crosby wrote about writing songs that reacted when the -- slap in the face. the most famous example is ohio, their song about penn state. young and crosby are together in -- neil young sees the famous photo of the girl kneeling in

the road. and crying -- he goes off into the woods half an hour later and emerges with the song ohio. david crosby ranges for the whole band to get together that night in l.a. and recorded and it's out on the street in a few days. and the postscript or coded to the story is after the band broke up, when they finally got back together in this giant chaotic reunion tour in 1974 that crosby labeled the doomed tour because of all the drugs and craziness, ohio was their last encore, many nights, as richard nixon march towards resignation in the watergate scandal engulfed, in so many ways, they got the last word -- >> ron, you said that crosby was really the figure that introduced joni mitchell to the world, bringing her to l.a., showcasing her in peoples living worms living rooms and -- >> yeah, can you imagine that? when joni mitchell was getting started as a focusing or -- in florida -- he brought her out to l.a. and we kind of showcase her in

peoples living rooms, in 1968 or so, los angeles, joni mitchell -- he would introduce joni mitchell and she would sit on the floor and play the guitar and sing her songs. he actually produced her first album. she was so beautiful, so talented, so incredible. someone said to me, after seeing one of these many concerts in someone living room, the next day, i woke up, and i was, like did i hallucinate that? crosby really was -- i mean, look, he was an incredibly smooth voice and an incredibly rough personality. who is ultimately driven out of the birds. the crosby, stills nash and young were like four unstable elements that constantly combusted into flames. but the music had a real impact over time, and particularly in being relevant at that moment, and csn is really the sound of that time and shape of what followed in a light, when it really blossomed as the dominant course in a am radio

in the early 1970s -- >> 70, i want to play a clip from a cnn special from a few years ago -- were crosby actually talked about the death of their colleague bill weir. >> this burst of creativity that you have had -- it is not about death. you think about how you want to be remembered? >> not so much. the songs will do that. there are the best i can do. that's the weird thing. everybody is going to talk about. the question is, what are you going to do with it? how do you spend that two weeks or that ten years? i got that figured out. it's family, music. ♪ ♪ ♪ it's the only thing i can do. >> and after this extraordinary arc of our life, that is what, in the end, it boiled down to for him. it's family and music. >> there's people in the world who search their entire lives

trying to figure out what they are supposed to do. david crosby was not one of those people. he was doing what he was born to do. and he felt like this was the best thing he could be doing, making music. who is all about his relationships. and when you listen to the words of the songs that he is known for, from the birds, or from crosby, stills, nash and young, you can listen to those words and see that it's about the connections that we make. all of that matters for while you are here on earth. that's basically, what it seemed, like david crosby was saying. and that is something that he is very true about. people do not want to talk about death. but he was much more practical about the way he saw it. >> ron, you mentioned ohio. i want to play some of that. we've got it cued up. because i think what you say about it is so interesting. let's listen. >> ♪ ♪ ♪

>> it's so interesting -- it's so interesting, the story you told, after the incident, after they saw the photograph, who was it to actually rode it? you said -- >> neil young. >> neil young? >> -- for half an, hour wrote the song, came back and then crosby arranged for the whole band to get together later that same day in l.a. and recorded. to me, kind of like i, said the postscript of the story is that the band blew up in 70, 71. and then in 1974, david given the, great music entrepreneur, who really -- he really was the one who liberated them from all their various contracts and allow them to come together in the first place as see us in, arranging this complex deal with clive davis with --

a range of this complex deal at cvs to allow them to -- a 1974, their old antagonist, nixon, who had won this 49 states reelection, in 1972, utterly dispiriting the entire van, who is heading down in flames and disgrace over watergate and they are back on tour together, playing ohio every night. and they were onstage in new jersey on the 19 august 1974 when nixon resigned. and i believe it was graham nash who went to the microphone and said, guess what, he's gone. and like i said, they kind of got the last word. and then somewhere, along that night, they played ohio again it's kind of their last word on richard nixon. >> ron, you said he was cantankerous. there was him onstage and his voice and the personal relationship. what was so volatile? was it related to drugs and alcohol or was it just personality? >> these were years of big

personality. and fans are hard, as everybody explains to me. there are people -- cameron crow and others can tell you more about it than i could -- but fans are hard. crosby was kind of, i would say, not a solitary soul -- but someone who knew what he wanted. >> he said he -- he himself said he was all ego back then. >> yeah, that's right. and so the birds literally fired him. roger mclain and dean park and donnie embers pushed him out of the band and he had already taken one step out of the ban, because in 1967, at the monterrey park festival, he had performed with buffalo springfield, which was going through its own kind of break ups fasten. that's where he and stephen stills got together. and the two of them got together. and then graham nash was dating joni mitchell. and he shows up at her house one day, and stills and crosby are there they start singing together and he realized at that moment, he said, he had to

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>> more breaking news tonight. investigators who say failed new mexico republican state house candidate solomon pena -- team of alleged accomplices to ship the homes. now investigating whether the campaign is funded in part by cash from fentanyl sales. they may have been laundered into. cnn chief law enforcement analyst john miller and -- dana -- at the nypd joins us now. he shares more on the story. so what have you learned about this investigation and how pen is pena -- pena --

-- -- >>? >>. ,,,. ,, who has claimed to be homeless he's -- got $3,000 in cash and almost 900 fentanyl pills, with an estimated $15,000 on the street. a smoking gun in the trunk of the car that is ballistic we matched to the last shooting of a democratic official. and it turns out, based on our research, that he is also single largest campaign contributor to solomon pena campaign -- driving his car at the time?

>> yes, he was driving the would-be representatives nissan sorry did you want maxima. -- what is a great making model of the car. -- >> and so, the drugs on fentanyl connection was found with trujillo in pena's car and that might explain how is able to make these contributions. it appears that trujillo, and -- one of whom is his father, who we believe knew pena from prison and we believe pena we serving time for being a smash and grab robbery came as a candidate >> wait a minute. solomon pena was part of a smash and grab robbery, teaming they would steal, car smashed them into what?

>> drive a car through a window of a big box store and flat screen tvs, high-end electronics. he ends up going to prison for the, where he believes he makes the initial context that allows him to put together this crew during and after the campaign to intimidate these political rivals. but the key here, as you are zeroing in on is, none of these people have and the any source of income. you have trujillo and another family member who donates $5, 000, comes right of the legal limit to contributions. then his relative, who is also, apparently, without any resources, donates $4,000. not politically active -- no sign they've ever donated to a campaign before. and the main source of income for trujillo in that car seems to be cash and fentanyl. >> just to be clear, this guy is running as a republican for the congress? he's a big supporter of the former president, allegedly, a law and order candidate.

>> right. he's a law and order candidate. he's a virulent trump supporter. he's an election denier. and, of course, he carries that through in his own election anderson, it was not close. he lost by 47 points. and he is saying they stole the election. >> in an overwhelmingly democratic district. john miller, thank you. 15 months after tragedy struck the set of the alec baldwin movie rust, prosecutors say they will charge baldwin and the film's armorer hannah gutierrez-reed with two counts of involuntary manslaughter. cnn's josh campbell has details >> -- set in the old -- west russ was filming outside of santa fe. volume crew members were -- prop gun in the actors hand discharged. >> -- gun shot. >> killing cinematographer halyna hutchins and wounding wounding director joel souza. >> this was a really fast and loose set, where nobody was doing the job. there were three people, that if they were doing their job

job that day, this tragedy would not happen and that's david halls, -- hannah gutierrez-reed and alec baldwin. -- >> -- hannah gutierrez-reed served as armor and props assistant. baldwin has repeatedly claimed he pulled back the guns hammers for as you could without cocking the gun, and released a hammer, telling cnn and others -- >> the trigger was never. pulled -- >> no, no, no i would never point a gun out there and pull a trigger. you don't point a gun at someone and pull the trigger >> -- disagrees. >> every person that handles a gun has a duty to make sure that if they are going to hand handle that gun, pointed at someone and pull the trigger, that is not going to fire projectile and kill someone. an actor does not get a free pass just because they are an actor. >> safety expert steve wulf has a theory as to why baldwin says he did not pull the trigger. >> if your finger is on the trigger, and you are not aware that you are pressing, and you

pull the hammer back, and release, the gun will also fire. and i believe that is why he is saying he didn't press the trigger. >> baldwin's attorney says he will fight the charges, calling the decision a miscarriage of justice. and mr. baldwin had no reason to believe there was a live bullet on the gun or anywhere in the movie set. he relied on the professionals that assured him of the gun did not live rounds. an attorney for gutierrez reed calls the charges wrong and believes the armorer will be found not guilty by a jury, and she did not commit manslaughter. she has been emotional about the tragedy but has committed no crime. >> it's not clear to me that this criminal liability here, given all the circumstances. i'm not seeing that. i'm really looking forward to what we have to prove, because this is an aggressive charge. i'm not sure they are going to have. >> josh campbell joins us now. as the family have halyna hutchins responded to the -- >> her surviving family members issued quite a strong statement after these charging decisions were announced. i will read you that statement. they say, they want to thank

the santa fe sheriff and district attorney for concluding the throw investigation and concluding that charges for involuntary manslaughter are warranted for the charge death of halyna hutchins -- our independent investigation also supports that charges are warranted. it is a comfort to the family that, in new mexico, no one is above the law. we support the charges, will further fully cooperate with the prosecution -- hold accountable those who break the law. as far as what happens next, i spoke with the district attorney today. she says those charges will be filed by the end of the month. alec baldwin will then receive a summons to come here either in person or to appear by video conference. then, the wheels of justice will start. we will see what additional evidence prosecutors will lay out in those charging documents. anderson, we expect baldwin's legal team to put up an aggressive defense. josh campbell, appreciate it. >> joining us now is cnn's entertainment reporter chloe melas outside the balloons -- and also defense attorney mark o'mara and -- omer ski, who turned down a job

on the set of rust. >> -- >> chloe, was mr. baldwin aware that these charges were gonna be announced today? >> according to is attorney, anderson, no, they felt blindsided. they learned about it in the press today, specifically just about 15 minutes before they were contacted by the district attorney. they are planning to see this through to trial. he's not going to take a plea deal, not that one was even offered or on the table. and when i sat down with alec baldwin back in august, he has said that this is a tragic accident. and he has said, anderson, that there was a breakdown in the chain of command on the set. hannah gutierrez-reed, the armorer on the set, should have known that there was a live bullet. and his big question is, how do live bullets get to the set? but what was interesting today is that the dea basically saying that it doesn't really matter. and that we may never know how live bullets got to the set in the first place. but he believes that that is

where this all should start. and also, dave halls, the assistant director who took the plea deal, telling him that this was a cold gun. so, alec baldwin's attitude being, you know, well, if the gun goes off, there's never should have been a live round in the first place -- also, anderson, maintaining with me in august and still maintaining that he never pulled the trigger, though the d e a does not believe that. >> -- just from a legal standpoint, can you describe -- alec baldwin was a producer on the film, as well as an actor on it. if he wasn't a producer -- i don't -- know does being a producer, does being that at a level of legal responsibility, potentially, here? i >> i think, actually, it might. remember that involuntary manslaughter, which is what they are charged with, is not unintended crime. it's a crime of negligence -- and i'm sorry and the one is to commit an unlawful act, like a misdemeanor, film, fireworks, that caused a death.

that can be involuntary manslaughter. the other ways to do a lawful act. let's just say that using that gun in that scene was, quote, lawful but doing without that contemplation and caution. and that's where the strength of the states cases going to go, even though they are aggressive charges. they are going to say, look, a gun is a dangerous instrumentality. we know that and you have to presume that it is loaded. if you didn't do everything you should have done, that is not enough caution and you could find himself with involuntary manslaughter. >> even if you have people that are supposedly experts of the armada set handing the gun. you see some director saying it's safe to use. >> and that's his defense, the the defenses, look, we make believe that there is gunfight. we make believe that we're hitting you with the. knife, and we are supposed to do this at high reliance professionals. that is going to be the

cornerstone of their defense. but under the law, and like she said, even an actor you have to have that caution, that's circumstantial to make sure that you're gonna have a gun in your hand. and an undeniable weapon that could cause injury, you have the personal responsibility to be cautious with it. not reliance on real. >> neil, you worked in the industry for a long time, does it make sense to you that gutierrez reed was acting as post-production armor and prop assistance? i guess it was kind of a lower budget film which was spread too thin? >> she should've never accepted the responsibility. and the production should've provided the salaries for an appropriate number of personal on the department. that's what i would respond to that. >> ultimately, where do you think the blame in this tragedy lies? >> i would say anyone who participated in the management

of the weapon. so a lot of that has stood with the culture that was established by the producers. and their failure, they had the option an opportunity to hire while season trained professionals to do this work. and they opted to make other situations. and that was really the beginning of the end for things on rest. >> neil, mark, i appreciate it, thank you, just ahead we're gonna discuss what the white house said one of the nation's top intelligence officials to ukraine's fear of a major spring offensive.

there's breaking news in the war in ukraine, with ukraine and western allies bracing for spring offensive from russia. cnn excluding the i a director -- traveled to kyiv less. we came up with ukraine's president to discuss u.s. expectation for the battlefield planning in the spring and that is according to u.s. officials and two ukrainian sources. according to the washington post, which broke the stories on both side, distrust strategy and concern for how long they would support the war. and the meeting comes at a critical moment, obviously, for

the alliance in addition to a possible spring affection, if ukraine western allies right standoff over whether to send ukraine german tanks. german has demanded that they send the abrams m one tanks as well. pentagon, today, says it doesn't make sense to send u.s. tanks, quote, at this moment. officials say the abrams tank cost more to maintain, specifically, they see the abrams use jet fuel versus diesel in the german tanks. plus, they, say the german tanks will cover more ground before needing to refuel. secretary lloyd austin arrived in germany, today, for post -- joined now from cnn national security analyst, the former cia chief to russia operation and austin, national security reporter for years broke the story -- john what have you learned, first, of all about the cia director's turn? >>, yes, well ukrainian officials came away very pleased after hearing from the director. i am told from the people familiar with the meeting. they had concerns of their own. one of the things that they had mentioned in this discussion

was how long can we rely on u.s. support? there's billions and billions of dollars were coming up on a year and how strong is it? obviously, first and foremost, on their mind was the gop takeover of the house. and the director reiterated the biden administration's ironclad support for ukraine. in this discussion, however, it is not all up to the biden administration. congress has an important role, the gop has some far-right members who are very much opposed to aid to ukraine. , and so, that is going to be a big thing to deal with. also, in this briefing, the director who share the latest u.s. intelligence on russian military planning obviously it is a critical juncture right now. there is a huge war of opposition between the russians and the ukrainians. ukrainians are forced to make very difficult decisions, right now. are they going to expand a lot of resources? the war in the east? or are they going to save up a lot of those resources for the coming offensive in early

spring? >> and, steve, how big of a deal is a for cia director to go himself to ukraine? what does that say to you? >> well, in this particular case, there is no doubt that burns is the guy, which we, said he's got the gravitas. he's a russia hand. he served multiple times in russia's state department officer to include, one, ask the ambassador. so, he's seen in the diplomacy side of. it now, he's on the intel, side you see some of the real politics. but, remember, as the article points out correctly, he listed the guy who's trying to convince zelenskyy and the ukrainians in the very beginning, based on intelligence. that, look, the russians are indeed going to attack. but, what you're alluding to their, a second ago, anderson, the important. partly ukrainians are in a really difficult position. they need to know how best to use their limited resources. and that's one strategic intelligence is at its strongest. -- but >> steve, i mean, it's such an important point given the limited resources that ukraine highs, with all the money in weaponry from the u.s. and from the west, i mean, it is --

these are life or death decisions that they have to make about to focus on what's going on the east. to pull back and allow others to take a hit and allow the towns to be taken back into the russian control and marshal resources for, perhaps a, coming offensive. it is critical that they know what russia's plans are. >> the best example, anderson, i think is what is going on in belarus. , because we know we've seen some saber-rattling, we've seen -- a bit of russian territory on multiple times so the question is are the russians going to open up front from there. that's something that strategic that can really help with. because, if there is good intelligence that says, no, that's all just a thing to tighten resources, that, of course, those ukrainian resources don't have to be tied down. they can be used in other locations. that's really the value a strategic intelligence, which is why not just the united states, but other nato intelligence services can help the ukrainians leverage whatever, power, whatever

forces, whatever assistance they are being given by the west to maximum effect against the russians. >> john, i, assume you don't know specifically what burns, delivered about russia's plans are. but do you have any indication of how and what the track record of the u.s. explanation of russia's plans have been to ukraine? and how accurate they have been? there's the reason to believe that the u.s. would know what russia's plans are coming up? >> from people that know about this meeting, i was told that this is one of the reasons why they take very seriously what the director has to say. i'm kind of your question on track record, bursn some self traveled personally to ukraine a month before the war started. he told them specifically whether one of them to stage the capital of kyiv., that information has been credited by some people as helping the ukrainians get ahead at zap of where they need to put troops, how they needed to defend

themselves. it's why kyiv remains a free city right now. they do have a strong track record, obviously, there has been some frustration over the last year. the u.s. officials want to know more about ukraine's planning. sometimes they feel like it's a black box, sometimes they feel like they don't know that much about what's going on. these trips help to really lubricate that relationship keeping both and all sides closer together, building trust. that's what i told was an extra benefit of this trip. >> well, that's really interesting, john hudson, i really appreciate it -- just, ahead immigration records that undermined acclaim central to george santos and the death of his mom.

>> it's difficult to imagine how any politician not name george santos would have survived last 24 hours with his job. -- the following, like so many of the congressman's claims, the story that his mom was at the world trade center and survived 9/11 and that the incident played a role in her death from cancer was false he made it up. this is what he said more than

a year ago. >> my mom was a 9/11 survivor. she was in the south tower. she made it out, got caught up in the ash cloud. >> that did not happen. we know that because immigration records for santos's mother, newly obtained by cnn, indicate she was in brazil between 1999 in 2003. during 9/11, she was not at the world trade center, or could she have inhaled the ash cloud produced that day. what's more, on those record, she lists both of her parents as being born in brazil, which would undercut another santos claimed that his maternal grandparents fled the holocaust. okay. that is awful enough. it gets worse. there's also a new allegation that he took off with money raised to save the dog of a veteran who is homeless at the time. and santos is not exactly denying the charge either. in a tweet today, he said that reports of this allegation are, quote, shocking insane, but he does not specifically deny them. the veteran -- rich ossoff and his mentor say

they knew santa's by the name anthony devolder and that sent to set up a -- his dog sapphire -- $2,000 was raised and rich of scoff says that -- provided to cnn, santos, quote, blew up and refused to give me the money and then just would not answer the calls anymore. the dog died months later. santos told cnn in the statement, quote, i have no clue what he is talking about. so, we want to sin spend some time on sentences 9/11 claims with john feel. -- faced injury and illness. also, nikita morgan, whose mom died on 9/11, whose remains were not identified until 20 years later. >> john, let me start with you. what is your reaction to santos lying on 9/11? we've >> got a lot to unpack here, right? he's the forrest gump of -- the whole pulse nightclub,

veterans dog, 9/11. is nothing sacred to this man? to every organization, every group, every background that he has hurt, he did it maliciously for self gain. and it's repugnant, it's repulsive. it's vial vile. >> it wasn't just lying to be a fabulist -- . >>, -- -- , -- listen, i know this is a cable show. and i can get colorful. by do not want to start using four letter words about this man. i'm disgusted. and i probably had about 300 a 400 text messages and emails today, most of them were from

widows. one thing i learned about 18 years ago in the 9/11 community, you don't kick off a 9/11 widow. these women, who are generally peaceful, they want blood. we want to be left alone. we are a finite number in the 9/11 community. we are getting smaller. you lose somebody, on average, every day. and we are disrespected. and i pray that leadership, that kevin mccarthy finds that last ounce of dignity and does the right thing. and i don't think that will happen. i've just been going to d.c. for the last 18 or 19 years. and this is the republican party. i don't care if you are a republican or a democrat. this is about an evil man who maliciously lied, cheated, conned and did not care of the trail he left behind. to me, it's un-american, it's unpatriotic. and for him to be so smug and

so arrogant and say he has not once exonerated him self -- all he says is that this is not true. let me tell you something. he is not built for prison. and that is where he is going. his nickname will be putting. >> nikki, the last time i spoke, your mom had just been found after 20 years, which is just extraordinary. first of all, how are you doing? >> i'm doing okay. i'm a lot better as days go by -- until something like this takes place. and it just brings the outrage all over again in a different way. because, you are saddened by the fact. but then you are disgusted that somebody takes this as losing my mother, to say that, your mother was there -- it's hurtful. and to use that, it's just disgusting. >> does it surprise you that he is still in congress? >> oh, yes. definitely. definitely. he should be gone. there is no reason why he is there. on everything --

all the lies, it's just absolutely ridiculous. and then to use something like that, that impacted the world, and to say, that your mom -- >> am i right? he's actually your congressman? >> yes, third district. third district -- >> did you know when he was running -- did anything about it stand out to you? >> it did, not unfortunately. unfortunately, it really did not. i have to hold myself responsible for that, for not looking into it myself. >> look -- we are all -- i mean, i did not know about it. >> right, right. but just to use that -- it's just repulsive. >> you guys vetted me harder today to come on your show with the preinterview to do the interview then george santos was vetted. come on. >> no, it's a failure on so many levels. it is unbelievable.

>> but she is one of over 3000 who lost a loved one that day, that that wound is opened over and over again. and every time you think that stab wound is going to heal, this man, his face, his words, his actions, cause this woman more pain. it's not acceptable. >> and this is our congressman. it's just ridiculous. there is no other way to describe, that just being disgusting. >> john did, you ever think that we would be in a place where, in this day and age, that a sitting member of congress can lie about a personal connection to 9/11? and it not be an instant,,? >> -- ,,. -- . >> -- >>.

. and he is an example of working his way out to -- be and we've got to stop the bleeding now. kevin mccarthy can easily fix this. he can fix this. and kevin, if you are watching, and if you are listening, the a man, man up, show the leadership that you were voted in for and do the right thing. this man is leaving a trail of pain behind him. and nobody is doing a thing about it. >> john feel and nykiah morgan, thank you so much. we really appreciate. it it's so good to see. >> thank you. >> a new front in the governor of florida's culture war. -- targeting studies against, again, that deal with race. now his administration is -- adequately explain why. we will talk about this when we return. blem! hey, cam? wow! same deal! yeah! it's kind of our thing. what if i'm new to at&t? cam, can you?

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florida, making this way and brought a new advancement, or ap court on african american studies and high schools. officials the state department wrote in a letter to the college board, which administers the exams, quote, the content of this course isn't explicitly contrary to the florida law and significantly lacks educational values. no mention of the letter of what law would be violated by the course or whether the curriculum was objection -- but they tell cnn that, excuse me, they leave a large an ambiguous gap that can be filled with ideological materials which would not be allowed. joining me now to cnn political commentator, -- former state representative south carolina which -- and also adviser of ron desantis, david urban. what does it say to you that the administration this specifically, excuse me i'm coughing, doesn't identify what part of the course that they reject in terms of the ap african american studies course? >> well, anderson, i actually

think that they said all that they needed to say. and they said that this african american studies course doesn't have any value. i've been speaking to my friends about this via text, et cetera, and one just recently texted me that they're trying to erase our history, and that's exactly what they're trying to do. this is anti intellectualism. this is anti black racism. when we talk about systemic racism, this is exactly what we're talking about. it's the way by which we go about ensuring people cannot learn about plates and burdens that african americans went through and go through today. i don't know what rhonda sanders is talking about, i have not seen the curriculum. i'm actually the son of the director of the african american studies program at the university of soccer alana who