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we'll hear from both sides of the legal debate. he's the failed republican candidate accused of orchestrating the shootings at the homes of democrats, now investigators are looking into whether solomon pena's campaign was funded by fentanyl. also, this -- ♪ >> a massive loss for music. david crosby dying at 81. we'll speak live with one of his best friends. cnn this morning starts right now. to all of those stories in just a moment, but first we need to talk about ukraine's president, volodymyr zelenskyy, making a desperate plea for more weapons before it is too late. there are signs that russia is regrouping and preparing to launch a major offensive. and cnn has learned cia director bill burns personally flew to kyiv for a secret meeting with

zelenskyy to brief him on vladimir putin's plans. this morning, the defense secretary, lloyd austin, is at ram stein air base in germany to huddle with western allies. president zelenskyy spoke virtually at the meeting. >> the war started by russia has not allowed, and i can thank you hundreds of times, and it will be absolutely just what you have already done, but hundreds of thank yous are not hundreds of acts. all of us can use thousands of words, but i cannot put words instead of guns that are needed against russian artillery or instead of that anti-aircraft missile, that i needed to protect people from russian air strikes. live now to kyiv and our chief international correspondent clarissa ward. clarissa, good morning to you. clarissa made it clear, he said,

we need tanks, not thanks. will ukraine get what it needs? >> well, that's the million-dollar question. and a lot will depend on what germany ultimately decides in terms of giving these leopard ii tanks or allowing the other countries such as poland to give their leopard ii tanks, that they are in possession of. up until this point, it appears that germany is kind of unwilling to do that, unless it sees the u.s. give these abrams tanks. the u.s. has said it's not going to give those tanks, but very different reasons to germany's reasons, purely for logistical reasons, they run on jet fuel, not diesel, and they would be incredibly difficult for ukraine to maintain and operate on the battlefield. basically, what zelenskyy says he needs are three things. tanks, long-range artillery, f-16s. no indications that he will be getting long-range artillery or f-16s. he's going to be getting a lot of equipment, some $2 billion worth of strikers, various

infantry, armored personnel carriers, mraps, and munitions for areal defensive, things that they really need. but everyone right now is waiting to see what will happen in terms of these tanks that they desperately covet and which great britain came forward and said, listen, we'll give these challenger 2 tanks, because the reason that germany has given up to this point in terms of not wanting to provide tanks is they don't want to risk escalating, they don't want to risk facing the wrath of president putin and having the uk step up and fill the void in the first place allows them some kind of diplomatic cover. so waiting to see where germany will ultimately fall on this issue, don. >> of course, i want to follow up on something. i want to go back to the cia director briefing zelenskyy on this coming offensive. tell us why that is so important right now. >> reporter: so, basically, bill burns came here to talk to zelenskyy and share some of the intelligence that the cia is seeing in terms of what russia

is preparing in the coming weeks and months. and you heard zelenskyy talking about how time is russia's ultimate weapon right now. you heard lloyd austin as well, the defense secretary saying, listen, russia is running out of ammunition, but they are regrouping, recruiting, they are building up their military hardware industry. and there is a fear that we are going to be looking at another massive russian offensive, potentially in the coming months. no one knows exactly when that would be. the logic behind this, of course, is that russia mobilized 300,000 people, 150 were already put into the battlefield, but the remaining $150,000 will be finishing up their training in the coming weeks and months. so it follows logically that russia will have something in store. and so what, you know, what the u.s. and nato and all of ukraine's allies want to see for ukraine to get the hardware and get the power that it needs to try to catch russia on the back foot, before it has a chance to regroup and get in there with

some further counter offensives. >> clarissa ward in kyiv this morning, thank you, clarissa, thank you. >> reporter: in washington, president biden says he has no regrets about how he and his team have handled the classified documents that were found from his time as vice president in the obama administration, as the white house has faced questions about their initial reluctance to share information about this. the president weighed in last night, as he was touring a california town that's been ravaged by those winter storms we've been showing you. the president saying that he feels that the american people don't understand why reporters are asking about this and not th that. >> they found a handful documents that were filed in the wrong place. we immediately turned them over to the archives and the justice department. we're fully cooperating and looking forward to getting this resolved quickly. i think you're going to find, there's nothing there, i have no regrets. i'm following what the lawyers have told me they want me to do. that's exactly what we're doing. there's no "there" there. >> reporter: republicans have accused president biden of being

hypocritical, because he criticized former president trump from taking top-secret documents and taking them at mar-a-lago when he left office. this is what biden said last fall. >> when you saw the photograph of the top-secret documents laid out on the floor at mar-a-lago, what did you think to yourself? >> how that could possibly happen. how anyone could be that though, is loudly pointing out the differences here, saying that biden has cooperated with the national archives and with the justice department, giving the documents back, while former president trump, as we all know, refused to give them back, there came this huge fight between the attorneys and the justice department. it led to that story search that happened last fall that was executed on the former president's property. ahead, we're going to talk to former democratic senator from my home state of alabama, doug jones. he has questioned the white house's handling of those documents. we'll get his take on the president's latest comments. >> just because it's an accident

doesn't mean it's not criminal. go with me here. that's how a santa fe prosecutor is sizing up her decision to file charges against actor alec baldwin. she plans to charge him with two counts of involuntary manslaughter in the "rust" 2021, that shooting on the movie set that ended in the director's death. the cinematographer's death. film maker hanna gutierrez reid also facing charges. filmmaker halna hutchins was killed when she was struck by a live round of ammunition fired from a prop gun held by alec baldwin. the d.a. saying that she believes that "rust" had a, quote, really fast and loose set with a lack of safety standards and live rounds on set. watch this. >> nobody was checking those or at least they weren't checking them consistently and then they somehow got loaded into a gun, handed off to alec baldwin, he didn't check it, he didn't do any of the things that he was supposed to do to make sure that he was safe or that anyone around him was safe. and then he pointed the gun at

halna hutchins and he pulled the trigger. >> reporter: in an interview with cnn in august, baldwin blamed gutierrez reid and assistant dave halls who handed him the bullet. >> why didn't she check that bullet? why didn't halls obey her? according to osha, she said, don't give him the gun until i come back. why didn't he check? >> did the dac.a. get the charg right? joining me now, criminal defense attorney ken belkin, thank you both. so just very simply, i'll ask the question, did the d.a. get the charges right, starting with you? >> i don't think. i think this is a stretch and an overreach on the d.a. with respect to alec baldwin. i think the charge against hanna gutierrez reid is stronger. the reason is that what she has to prove here, i don't think she can prove. you know, this is a criminal negligence case. this isn't simple negligence like in a lawsuit. that's been done.

regulatory action has been taken. this is a criminal case. they want to send alec baldwin to prison for five years. they have to prove that he grossly deviated from a standard of care that he owed. i don't see how they can do that. they can't convince 12 people unanimously beyond a reasonable doubt that he owed a duty of care that he breached when he handed a gun, said cold gun, there are people responsible for that. i don't think a jury is going to find that. >> first of all, let's be clear, no one wants to see mr. baldwin go to jail, least of all not a defense attorney like me. but let's be clear, in this jurisdiction, this d.a. has a woman who was killed by a man who pointed a gun that he did not check to see if it was loaded at her and pulled the trigger. now, he says he didn't pull the trigger -- by the way, that is his best defense at trial, is that he did not pull the trigger and the gun malfunctioned. but even still, he pointed an unchecked gun at a human being. something you are never supposed to do. >> but what i was struck by is that he has maintained he did not pull the trigger. they talked about how they sent

this off to the fbi, one of the best labs in the world, and they said someone pulled that trigger. here's what she said. >> the trigger wasn't pulled. i didn't pull the trigger. >> you didn't pull the trigger? >> no, no, no, i would never point a gun at someone and pull a trigger, ever. >> are you confident he pulled the trigger? >> absolutely. the fbi lab is one of the best in the world and we absolutely believe that the trigger had to have been pulled in order for that gun to go off. the trigger was pulled. >> what do you say to that? >> what i say to that is the d.a. is overstepping there by making that comment. that is a question of fact for a jury to decide. he says that trigger was not pulled by him. it is up to a jury to make that decision. of course, there's that fbi report and their experts. he is entitled to bring his own experts into this. and i'm sure mr. baldwin can afford the best ballistics experts available. and he's going to get them and he's going to need them if this case goes to trial. >> i actually don't think matters whether he pulled the trigger. he's entitled to treat that prop gun as if it's empty. that's what he's been told. he's doing this cross-pull thing in the rehearsals. i actually don't think that fact

matters. to me, what matters is, what is he entitled to rely on? what duty of care does he owe and did he breach that duty of care? i don't think he did. >> first, you should probably never -- not probably, you should never point a gun at another person, ever, loaded or unloaded. it's the basic rules of gun safety. everyone should know that. and by the way, his co-defendant says that he eschewed those gun safety courses on set. that's an interesting point from her defense. >> he should never have pulled the trigger. isn't that the whole point of the scene -- >> it's a western. >> but he's pointi ing it at a person. >> they could set up a camera. >> i know you're saying it doesn't have to be, but that's the -- >> that human being is now dead. >> i understand that. i'm just asking the question, because people at home are thinking the same thing, it is a movie. they are acting. the gun is supposed to be empty

and the director says, okay, go, pull the trigger, do the scene. how do you pull the trigger and not pull the trigger. >> listen, if you are pointing a gun at a person, it is on you to make sure that gun is unloaded. second of all, you should never be pointing a gun at a person and pulling a trigger, loaded or unloaded. >> see, this is where i think that the d.a. is overstepping, because what she said yesterday, to josh campbell and also in a "new york times" interview, is that he had an absolute duty to make sure that gun was unloaded, just like ken is saying here. that's a strict liability standard. that's not the correct legal standard here. he doesn't have a strict liability duty here. >> what about the fact they definitely said that this entire set was kind of a disaster, as how they described it, that everyone was complacent. he is not just an actor on this. most people would say, he's just an actor, somebody else should have checked it -- he's also a producer. does he bear responsibility in that sense? >> that's a second legal theory and they're pursuing that as well. what i would say to that, 550 pages of an investigative report didn't show me that he had those duties and breached them.

there are other producers on this movie. sometimes producers just give money and get their name on the credits. the question is what actually were his duties as a producer and did he breach those duties? there are plenty of people coming in now saying, producers don't do that. that's why you hire an e armore for. >> but in hollywood, this is what actors are saying. there was one last night who said, involuntary manslaughter charge against alec baldwin is outrageous. the assistant director and prop person are solely responsible. i have been in over 100 tv shows before -- i won't say which show he or she is on -- mostly action shows with a lot of shooting. one almost always relies on prop and a.d., period. in all cases, one, of course, pulls the f'ing trigger. that's what the actors are saying. that is just how it's done. >> but this was also a rehearsal. maybe it didn't have the formality of a shoot, which

could also be a problem. he might have expected it to have that formality. but in any event, he did point the gun, he did pull the trigger. as far as the producers, i think that's more of a civil liability issue. the final act that resulted in miss hutchins death was alec baldwin's. >> well, we'll see. he says he didn't pull the trigger. we'll see what the courts decide. obviously, this is far from over. jennifer radiologiogers and ken, thank you both for being here. this morning, there's been a major shake up at the top of netflix just as the straeaming giant had finished last year on pretty solid footing. why the sudden change? how does this affect you as a netflix watcher, next. i mean the tender chicken, the peppercorn ranch... i love my rings but i'll cherish that lulunch.. forever. the subway series. the greatest menu of all time. my moderate to severe plaqueue psoriasis... the burning, itching. the pain.

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executive chairman. netflix has come a long way since its early days as a dvd mail service, as we all remember. >> you know, it's like the hear hare and the tortoise. we got ahead. and they're all bankrupt and we're successful. >> the company rebounded after taking quite a tumble last year, contributed to 450 employees that were laid off. the streaming giant lost subscribers in the first two quarters of 2022, which was the first decrease that they had seen in more than a decade. since then, it has surpassed expectations, gaining more than 7 million subscribers this past quarter alone. so joining us now to discuss this is the host of "on with kara swisher," and professor of marketing at stearns gold business and the host of the prop "g" show podcast, scott galloway. together, the two of them host "pivot," which i'm sure many of our viewers have listened to. >> kara, i guess my first question is, what was your

reaction to him stepping down? >> not surprised at all. i think, you know, he's been at that job a long time. i think he had wanted to go earlier, but there were a lot of troubles, especially as everyone entered the dvd -- excuse me, the dvd -- you said that, the streaming market like disney and others. i think he was there just to get them through the more difficult time, which they had about nine months ago. and it was always the intention that he was going to move up and out, which is a netflix thing. >> he's stepping down from day-to-day operations. he's still going to have some influence, no? >> absolutely. they never go away, as you know, they never leave. look at what's happening at disney or elsewhere. they often stick around starbucks, lots of places like th that. >> so netflix has had a rough year in 2022. they've had layoffs, they're losing subscribers, facing a tougher market with competition from other streaming platforms like amazon, hbo max, appletv,

among others. last november, netflix rolled out a newer, lower priced plans with ads. how do you think subscribers will respond after enjoying this ad-free content for so many years? >> well, the numbers would indicate that subscribers are receptive to it. they added 8 million subscribers. netflix this morning is one of the biggest gainers in pre-market. and you have to take a moment to recognize that this guy is a first-ballot hall of fame business executive. think about how visionary this individual and this company has been. 1997, he said the largest distribution network with 11 million delivering mail into 100 million homes and started with dvds via mail and what is arguably the biggest pivot in business history, predicting the onslaught and the increase of broadband, went into streaming, went into vertical content with "house of cards." there are more people now who have a recurring revenue

relationship with netflix deployable than amazon prime. his accomplishments here are just, you know, short of the troubles over the last 12 months, looking at his career, his accomplishments are nothing short of extraordinary. >> yeah, he -- he could have dragged the rest of the industry with him when it came to streaming. i thought what he said about the origin of it was so -- he had a late fee on a movie when you went and rented dvds. i think the question it raises with his departure is, what does the future of a netflix look like or the streaming industry overall? >> well, there's all kinds of rumors that it's always going to get bought by various people, from apple to disney, over the years. but scott is right, this guy has pivoted and pivoted and pivoted again. and he doesn't mind sort of making a mess doing it, because he knows the right direction to go in. that said, there's huge amounts of trouble in streaming. the money being spent is enormous and the competitors are big, right? and so he's been doing -- being as innovative as he can, but

others have caught up. it's not unsimilar with what's happening to elon musk with tesla, where now there's competitors, now there's something going on, even though that they were dominant, but there's no question that reed hastings has pioneered almost everything in this area and now he's leaving it to others. and i think it's -- i don't think they're out of the woods yet on trouble, because i think others are getting better and better, but you see pressure on disney over streaming with nelson peltz and buying hulu. this market has still got a lot to shake out, especially the high cost, which scott, you talk about all the time. >> mm-hmm. >> scott, go ahead. respond. your name was invoked. >> yeah, scott, respond! >> listen, this is the tenth gorilla in the space. whether it's disney plus being the cause of a huge expense, 1.2 billion in losses in that group. amazon and apple have infinitely deep pockets, but if they were to break out the cost of their

networks, you would see a lot of red in here. this company is the dominant force in streaming. even visionary around international, "squid games" out of korea, they've built a 10,000-person production center so they could regionalize content in spain. the bottom line is, in the streaming market, by any reasonable standards, it's been netflix and the seven dwarfs. and to kara's point, they have competition for the first time which will drive down margins. but from a shareholder perspective, a business perspective, netflix defines the category and as of this morning, is up dramatically again and blew away their subscriber growth, the numbers. when someone steps down, you've got to look at all 28 frames of the movie. and this is an exceptional story. >> yeah, listen, we've got to run -- >> i do think, though -- >> we've got to run, kara, but i find myself, when i add it up, i spend more money on streaming than i actually spend on cable.

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new york republican congressman george santos facing growing pressure to resign over his litany of lies. he lied about his education, work, family history, and religious background, all of this as he faces federal and local investigations and the revival of a criminal fraud case

against him in brazil. now he is on two house committees and despite calls from members of his own party to step down, he's refusing. he's not backing down. he says he's going to stay there. let's go to cnn's miguel marquez live in new york which is part of santos' district. good morning to you, miguel. what are you hearing from the people who live in his district? >> let me absolutely blow your mind. they would like him to step down, they would like him to go. they are tired of talking about it. we were out here a week and a half ago and people were over it then. they are way over it now. the frustration is, is that there's not a lot that they can do. so even people who voted for him say, look, i want him to go. i want not just a few republicans who have stepped up and say that he has to go, but they want the republican leadership in congress from mcka mcmccarthy on down to freeze him out and force him out, much like the democrats did with anthony weiner back in 2011 and 2012,

where they forced him to resign eventually, they would like to see a much more concerted effort to go. they're tired of talking about it. they're frustrated that he's there, that there is nothing that they can do about it, until the next election. so until that happens, they will just have to wait. here's what one santos reporter said as he was getting to get on the train to manhattan this morning. >> what's the level of frustration right now? >> very high. it was above and beyond what many politicians do, exaggerate a little bit. what he did was criminal. >> would you like speaker mckarat and the republican leadership to freeze him out and ask him to resign? does something more need to happen from that level? >> yes, they should get rid of him, vote him out on the house level. >> so, look, there is a wide range of concerns that people have with george santos. from the money to all of the lies. most people here are most concerned with the lies. the money, the campaign finance,

they believe that there is an investigation there, and that may produce some sort of results for them, that may move him out of office sooner, but they are most concerned with this massive number of lies. even the people who say, i want a republican in office, and at least he's a vote there say, probably better if he wins. back to you guys. >> all right. miguel marquez, interesting. thank you very much. appreciate it. speaking of questions about campaign finance, the man accused of hiring a gunman to shoot up the homes of democratic lawmakers after losing an election is now under more scrutiny as investigators are looking into whether solomon pena's failed political campaign was funded with drug money. that is what a law enforcement source tells cnn. campaign finance records show that one of the alleged gunman actually contributed more than $5,000 to pena's campaign. and now there are questions about whether that money came from the sale of fentanyl. joining us now to talk about this, with this reporting is cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller.

john, you've been looking into this story. i'm so struck by this line of reporting that campaign finance documents show that the single largest cash contributor to him is a man that police say he hired to help with these shootings. >> you know, caitlin, breaking down the question itself sounds ab absurd, which is, what is a guy doing in the candidate's car, according to police, with a smoking gun that is a ballistic match to a shooting 38 minutes before of a democratic rival, sitting on top of $3,000 in cash and almost 900 fentanyl pills, valued at about $15,000 on the street. and he's the person who is responsible for a $5,000 contribution and that of a family member for another $4,000. claims to be homeless in his prior contacts with police, has no financial resources, so, if the money from fentanyl isn't where the campaign contributions

was coming from, where was it? >> and this guy got pulled over, but if he had not been pulled over, do you think that the investigation would have developed in the way that we've seen it go on? >> i don't think so, because, you know, he was on the local radar as a low-end criminal, but the allegations brought by albuquerque police is that he was one member of a four-person team hired by the candidate to shoot up democratic rivals' home to intimidate them after the election, which he claimed was stolen. >> all right, john miller. that's fascinating. >> john miller, thanks for your reporting on this. also, president biden has just made his first comments in about a week on classified documents that were found at his home and former office. he said there's no "there" there. we'll talk to the former senator and a close biden ally, doug jones, about all of this, next.

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his time as vice president in the obama administration. >> we're fully cooperating and looking forward to getting this resolved quickly. i think you're going to find, there's nothing there, i have no regrets. i'm following what the lawyers have told me they want me to do. that's exactly what we're doing. there's no "there" there. >> president there echoing his team at the white house, as they are pledging full cooperation, but downplaying the fallout of this, drawing a distinction from what is happening with former president trump. the white house now believing this is a current storm that is going to pass. joining us now to talk about this is the former democratic senator from alabama, doug jones, a close ally of president biden's and this white house. also a former u.s. attorney, we should note. good morning and thank you for being here. you know, you heard the president there saying, he doesn't have any regrets about how this has been handled. what's your reaction? >> well, i think he's absolutely right in terms of handling the documents. and that's what he was referring to. you know, i've said all along, it seems that the president's team, whether it's mainly his

legal team, caitlin, is handling these documents absolutely correctly. in fact, they may be overcorrecting, because that's who joe biden is. but in terms of how they called the archives, got involved, cooperated with the justice department, this is all about the documents. even the trump situation started out about the documents and retrieving those documents. so i don't think he should have any regrets about how the documents have been handled. >> not even about the idea that some of them were found in a garage. obviously, that's not a secure location, despite the president saying it was locked, because his corvette was parked in there. >> you know, look, again, how you handle the discovery of those documents, clearly, somebody made a mistake at some point and documents appear to be inadvertently transferred when he left office. inadvertently transferred. that is the clear implication from everything you've seen, everything you've read. we don't know all of the facts, but that seems to be the clear

implication. in terms of the discovery of those documents, once they were discovered, you've got to call the archives, you've got to cooperate with the justice department. that is something that donald trump and his lawyers did not do, which created a firestorm, which created a situation where you had to get a search warrant to retrieve those documents. in this case, they've done everything by the book, and in fact, they probably may have overcorrected by making sure that they cooperate. >> how do you think they've overo overcorrected? what do you mean by that? >> well, there was a "washington post" article yesterday about how this was handled. i think they did everything by overcorrecting. some lawyers might would have been a little bit more aggressive in terms of trying to get to the bottom of themselves. that's what lawyers do, interviewing witnesses, doing those things. the president's team decided that they would not do that, because they did not want to give the appearance of tampering with a witness. that is an absolutely correct way to proceed with this.

it's an absolutely by the book way to proceed with this. some people may have done it a little bit different, but in terms, the key here, and the real key is, what did they do when the documents were discovered? and they immediately got in touch with the appropriate officials to turn them over. and that is the key. it is always about the documents when you're dealing with classified material. it is about getting the documents back into a secure location. >> but senator, what about the idea that they did not disclose it publicly. should they have told the public sooner that they had found these documents? >> i think that that's just a judgment call. i don't think they should have disclosed it the minute that it happened. for the very reason we're having to talk about it now. it should not be a political issue. the media and folks that talk about it, republicans, would make it a distraction and a media issue. they needed to cooperate with the archives and the department of justice and follow their lead. and that's exactly what they did. you know, anytime, kaitlan, that

you have an intersection between politics and the law, it's difficult to juggle those, especially when one of the parties is the president of the united states. and i understand the need for transparency. but there's also the ability of trying to work and make sure that those that you are cooperating with, that are retrieving these documents, understand that you are going to fully cooperate and work with them. and that's what they did. i have no problem with the fact that they didn't disclose earlier. >> senator, you also helped guide last year with the supreme court confirmation for now justice ketanji brown jackson. you obviously know the supreme court well. there has been no conclusion in one of the most stunning breaches in the history of the supreme court, this leak of the decision on roe v. wade. are you surprised that they weren't able to find who leaked this? >> no, i'm really not, kaitlan. you know, the supreme court is an institution that has been built on trust. and whenever you have a breach of that trust, it is going to be a difficult situation.

even with the technology that you have these days, to try to find who breached that. i think the big question that's left unanswered is whether or not any of the justices or anyone close to them was even interviewed or computers looked at. that's a little bit unanswered right now and i think it will always been an asterisk on this report, but i'm not really surprised. and i think what you've seen with all of the justices signing off on it, they felt like they did the best that they could. and went as far as they could. so i'm just not really surprised. >> but can it be a complete investigation if they didn't actually interview the justices themselves or their partners? >> well, i personally don't think so. but it was unclear, it did not say whether they did or they did not. that's why i think that there's an asterisk there. and i think they ought to try to clean that up a little bit, and make sure they did. if they haven't, they should. that's my personal opinion. if you want to try to get to the bottom of something, you have to do that, full-bore,

top-to-bottom. just like with trump and the documents. you've got to interview the people that was there. and i think there's a little bit of a gap, because it's just an unknown right now. >> and i'll note, cnn has reached out to the supreme court to ask, did they actually interview the justices themselves? they didn't comment, they just referred to the report, which obviously didn't say that. former senator doug jones, thank you so much for joining us this morning and roll tide. >> thank you, kaitlan, roll tide. >> you had to sneak that one in there. >> always. up next, the music world remembering a legend. ♪

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house ♪ ♪ with two cats in the yard ♪ so at the age of 81 david crosby legendary singer and songwriter has passed. he was a folk and rock music pioneer known for being a founder member of the birds and of crosby, stills & nash. his family announcing it in a statement reading, his legacy will continue to live on, though his -- through his legendary music. peace, love and harmony to all who knew david and those he touched. we will miss him dearly. yes, that is a sentiment that's shared by many. family, friends and fans alike are mourning his passing, including steve silverman who wrote this, after growing up a fan of david crosby's music he became my closest older friend. i am heartbroken to lose him, but the arc of our friendship was perfect. and so steve is here to talk about it. steve, good morning to you. thank you so much for joining us here on cnn this morning. >> good morning. thank you. >> absolutely.

you say that you were a huge fan and then you became close friends and he's your closest oldest friend. talk to us about that. and sorry for your loss, by the way, pardon me for that. >> well, what happened was i fell in love with his music when i was a teenager, i heard gwen a veer playing in province town and i immediately asked the guy who it was that was singing and he said a name that sounded like a law firm, crosby, stills & nash, but it was the most beautiful music i had ever heard. so i collected bootleg tapes of david's. so in the early '90s crosby, stills & nash were planning a box set with bonus rare tracks and a friend of mine was with him and kept saying, well, steve silberman says the best version of this is that, so he kept saying that and eventually crosby, nils and nash called me up and said come down to this

hotel in help us plan this box set. so that was how i met david, but what really sealed the deal of our friendship was that i got david online for the first time ever, a friend of mine told me that he was a, quote, unquote, fax addict. i said fax addict? he should have email. so i got him an email account and joined a very early online community called the well and he was instantly, you know, a hit. he was outrageous, he was honest, he loved hearing people's honest evaluations of his performances. he just took to the online world liesh like a fish to water and of course that continued through twitter. then when he was having his medical problems, including a liver transplant, he had a sort of mystical experience. this is not widely known, but he had a sort of mystical experience being online and feeling the presence of all

these people who were wishing him well as he went through a liver transplant and we ended up talking all night one night in chat while he was in london with crosby, stills & nash and we really got to know each other very well then and continued to be friends for the next couple of decades. >> that's amazing, a, that you got him on email. he was still so active on twitter. you said you guys started this podcast, we would hang out, smoke pot, he would play music, we would go to his favorite restaurants and it turned out the two of you creating a podcast together. >> that's true. we figured out that basically, you know, since we had such wide-ranging hilarious, probing, philosophical conversations on the phone, maybe we could do it at a place where other people could hear it. so i ended up spending several days down at the crosbys' house

and it was a blast. we were kind of like little kids who had met each other in school and decided that we wanted to have fun together and so we would spend hours a day making the podcast and then, you know, head out to david's favorite restaurants where, you know, he knew all the waiters and all that. >> steve -- >> and david was a hilarious -- david was a hilarious, brilliant, super inquisitive guy, even though, you know, he has this public -- or had this public image of being a prickly curmudgeon he was incredibly shy, actually and incredibly sensitive. >> steve, not to be rude, i'm watching the clock here and i want to get this in before we run out of time, please, i think it's very important because you spoke to him two days ago, correct? and what did you talk about? >> yes, i did. we talked about how excited he was to be playing a concert with the canadian singer-songwriter bruce coburn at the end of

february. >> and -- >> and he's also -- he has another album in the can, as they say, with young musicians who are in his lighthouse band. so there is another david crosby album that's about to come out. and he was very excited about that, too. >> i wanted to get that in, steve. sorry for me jumping in there, but, we know he's great and catalan and i have been waxing poetic about him all morning and just his impact not only on the music business, but just on the world. thank you so much for joining, again, we're sorry for your loss. you be well. >> thank you, buddy. i appreciate it. take care. >> we've been listening to them all day, i can already tell. that what happens it up for us. hopefully poppy will be back on -- >> yes. >> -- on monday. thanks for watching, everyone. "cnn newsroom" starts right after this break. yeah. we get to stay here all weekend! when you stay at a vrbo... i call doing thehe door code! ...the hosost doesn't stay with you.

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