finally, new images from inside the hideout, the brutal mob because, matteo messina denaro called home during his 30 years in italy. on the wall a poster of the the god father, the head of the mafia family from cicely. matteo messina denaro now being held in a maximum security prisonen in central italy. thanks for joining us, anderson starts now. good evening, tonight a critical moment in the war in ukraine, and a crucial one for the country supporting it with russia potentially a couple months away defense group led by americas top leaders met today

and failed to get german signoff on the allies of ukraine's tanks something that poland says they would do on their own. and president biden was asked about it today. >> polands call to send tanks and money. u.s. tanks to ukraine? >> president biden: ukraine's going to get all the help they need. >> anchor: that's ukraine's president, he says he needs more than western gratitude to hold off the russians. >> hundreds of thanks, are not hundreds of tanks. >> also, today, the white house told reporters, that the mercenary fighters made up in part of russian convicts, this all come as day after we learned that cie director briefed president zelensksyy on how the spring russian may play off. fred starts us off from kyiv.

>> >> reporter: hugely important week in ukraine. one that could be pivotal for the war and the future of their country. they want it take the fight to the russians, they understand that they need more modern, western weapons to do that. at the same time they're bracing for a possible massive offensive by the russians. here's that we're learning. preparing to defend against a second gigantic attack even as they're already under assault by russia. ukrainian units held drills for bigger battles to come. the head of ukraine in joint forces tell me. we need to know exactly how to prepare the forces and how they should be prepared, he says, that's why this is so important. we're in the chernnoble zone. the u.s.

and it's alleys believe the russians could mount a massive offensive once the spring comes, that's why the ukrainians are getting their forces ready even fighting the russians in this country. ukrainians say to win, they need more modern western weapons, special tanks. as the battles in places lack bakmut and eastern ukraine. kyiv is disappointed germany still hasn't signed off on sending main battle tanks which would be key to help them turn the tide a top presidential advisor tells me. >> our guys won't leave the battlefield even it if they're not provided with new equipment,

but more of them will die. we want our people to have a better chance of saving their own leaves. the ukrainians say the new aid will go a long way to help beat russia back and he hopes the u.s. and it's alleys keep weapons flowing in the long-run. >> i think our alleys have a perfect understanding of the price we're paying. they understand the nature of this war. the nature of russia and why it is impossible to negotiate with them. the ukrainians say they need to grasp the initial give before the russians can recover from their losses and they're gearing up for what could be a brutal spring. >> do the ukrainians feel they're prepared if russia does launch the massive offensive in the coming months, i mean, unless they get the hundreds of tanks they say they need?

>> reporter: well,thy think it will be difficulty. on the one hand, obviously, they want the modern western battle tanks because of the fact they're just much better than soviet era tanks. but the ukrainians say there's another practical problem to this as well, they're having big problems getting spare parts for the soviet era tanks and munitions for the soviet era tanks. it's about staying in the game, especially with the possibly russian offensive on the horizon. >> what's more important to the ukrainians now, equipment to help them defense against a new russian offensive or weapons to stage counter attacks to the east. >> reporter: they're obviously saying both are important. but, they really want to go on the offensive before the russians are able to constitute themselves and launch an offensive of their own. and one of the things that the ukrainians said which i thought

was interesting is that they believe 300 to 400 modern western main battle tanks could out do up to two thousand to 3,000 soviet era russian battle tanks. they say, especially if they get the tanks because they're so important, that they will have a good chance to make a lot of headway before the russians are able to get in place for a massive offensive. >> joining us now, sr. krbter jill dougherty. general, we saw the report from fred, what is germanys holdup on sending the tanks? is it just, and i know germany is saying they want the u.s. to send m. 1 abrams as well. they require a specialize, i think they require jet fuel and more maintenance and would probably be difficult to repair and, and, service in ukraine. >> yeah, all of those things are factors, anderson, i'll

correct you is that they only require jet fuel they do not. it's a multifuel jet. they're not tieing leopard toss abram's delivery, that's a change over the last couple of days. there's still a delay and it's a combination of politics and the fact that, truthfully, germany is very concerned about losing a lot of their tanks to the ukrainian army because they have to defend their own territory, too, as do some other nations. whether that's an auspicious argument or not, doesn't matter. every single nation is really focused on how to defend themselves. what we have to point out, though, is that the united states gave 500 armored vehicles total during the last tranche of vehicle delivery. and the goal is to provide

ukraine with the equipment they could immediately use and train upon. and fred mentioned about the problems that the ukrainian army is having for sustainment, getting parts for the old equipment. the same will be true in terms of getting parts for the new equipment. and with some of these advanced western style vehicles, you're talking about the requirement for a long logistics supply lines with very unique parts. and if we go over the list of equipment that the west has already given to ukraine, you're talking about dozens of new pieces of equipment, each one of them with distinctly different spare parts, types of repair, fuel requirements, training requirements. so, it's been complicated for the ukrainian army to handle all of that. >> jill, as we heard, the u.s. will designate the wagner group, a significant transnational criminal organization. what impact does that have, then? >> i think on wagner itself, it probably will make it more

difficult for them to operate internationally, don't forget, wagner is all over the world, they're in syria, libya, central african republic. and before, they were kind of in the dark, not really broadcasting the fact that they were there. because they were providing deniability to the russian government which couldn't send forces to fight some of these conflicts, now, the head of this is coming out and when you look at what they do, the brutality of what they've done in ukraine, they are, not only are a criminal organization, but, really, transnational, and i think that's important. >> general, how effective is the wagner group? >> well, they're effective in the way they keep throwing bodies at the enemy. i mean, quantity has a quality all it's

own, anderson, and what we heard from ukrainian force sunshine they're constantly under fire by the russians and they constantly have to fight just wave after waver of wagner group soldiers, the high percentage of them reported are criminals, they don't have a whole lot to live for. they just keep attacking and keep getting shot if they don't attack. so, what you're talking about is ukrainian forces on the front line that have what's called a target-rich environment. they have to keep shooting. and that in and of itself is a difficult battle to fight. >> it's interesting, because, ben weedleman is out in the east, we have a report from him later on. i talked with him earlier and he talked to a ukrainian soldier who monitors the satellite images and radio communications, and that ukrainian soldier is saying the wagner tactic essentially is they send waves had badly

equipped, badly trained wagner personnel in the first wave and the ukrainians have to waste light up their position shall, use a lot of ammunition toss bring them down and stop the wave thes. and then the wagner sends better equipped wave with goggles now more aware of where the ukrainian positions are. >> that's true, and they also continue to fire artillary, too. but, anderson in that kind of a fight, when you're a soldier seeing wave after wave in front of you being mowed down. i mean, literally, thousands of people lying on the battlefield dead right now from the russian side. it doesn't give you a whole lot of trust and confidence in your leader. yeah, you may have the night vision goggles, and you may take the town which is difficult in and of itself. and now, russia's proven itself good, can you hold that town? can you hold

onto those towns that you have taken and now you have to stay interest and defend it and that's a whole lot more difficult. >> jill in the past couple days we've seen both the former pros of russia and russia's secretary of the security council claiming this is not a war against ukraine but against nato. and is it significant that these threats aren't coming from putin himself. >> the former president, the one that some in washington thought would be the liberator is actually a rabid, rabid, hawk, he's off the planet at this point. i think they're trying to scare the world and say "we've got nuclear weapons, and if we lose we can go to world war, a nuclear war". and i think this is a scare tactic.

you know, it's really i would say, the only thing they really have left to scare the world. because, conventionally, you could see what's happening in ukraine. so, nukes are the only thing they have. >> now, the price being paid by russians for opposing the war or expressing empathy for ukraine. a person facing serious jail time for a social media post. >> reporter: it's a sign of the time in putin's russia, a fun-loving, dancing teenager, a 19-year-old behind bars in court for the most adolescent of crimes, a social media post criticizing russia's invasion of ukraine. the almost unbelievable charge terrorism and denigrating the russian army. >> she's very stubborn, sometimes even head-strong, she

has a heightened sense of justice, and this can be hard for her to live with. >> reporter: the post, a message of empathy with ukraine, often attacked on crimea's bridge in october as fighting ravaged the country. >> when i was writing the post, i never thought that i would end up in front of a judge. >> reporter: she told russian state media, the teen under house arrest in her mother's apartment now banned from talking to journalists or even her young husband, she faces years in jail it convicted. >> this is a region too remote from moscow, there are no more protests here, they're trying to strangle everything that's left. >> reporter: big brother's watching you, her tattoo reads, a putin look alike spider on one leg, a court-ordered tracking brace on the other. she's the

youngest russian prosecuted for opposing russia's war her lawyer says and russia's media was quick to lay into her. >> we see that a 19-year-old fool, i can't say otherwise continues to deliberately and repeatedly discredit the government, the president, and the armed forces. >> reporter: an attitude that reaches to the very heart of the kremlin and explained by putin himself just after the invasion. >> the russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum. they will just spit them out. >> reporter: the northeasterly 12 months into this unpopular war that moscow has had to send convicts to wage, alisia's mother sees things differently. it's such a strange time, she says that we put prisoners in the war zone and teenagers in prison. >> what comes next for the

19-year-old and her family? >> well, we've been speaking, anderson to the family's lawyer, they have not been told about the charges, the evidence or indeed what happens next. one of the most interesting things about this is that the semblance that the system had of any sense of justice has really gone away. one of the most chilling details is it when she was first arrested, one of the police officers was carrying a hammer in the car on the way to the police station saying that was a hello from wagner, and that's the semiblance. the family simply doesn't know what's going to come next. >> thank you. breaking news in the university of idaho murders, who the alleged killer tried to contact and where. and later, a legendary musician on the

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repeatedly messaged one of the victims on instagram in late october just a couple of weeks before those murders took place. that's according to people magazine siting a source close to the investigation. but, it is unclear if she saw the messages because she did not respond. anderson it is important to remember that kohberger has not entered a plea in the case, he has a hearing in june where a judge will decide it there's enough evidence to go forward with a trial. anderson? >> what about the reporting that the suspect visited restaurants where two of the victims worked? >> "people" magazine saying that apparently he visited the mad greek where two of the victims worked. we had previously reported thaxana wor there. people siting a former employee who apparently said they saw kohberger come in twice, there was nothing

suspicious about the visits but the former employee noted that he ordered vegan pizza twice and was clear about his food not touching animal byproducts. it's unclear if the victims were at the restaurant when kohberger was there or if they waited on him or if they even were around during the time of his visits, anderson. >> thank you, joining us now is former fbi special agent and criminal profiler, mary ellen otool, so, the new details, if they're accurate, do they give more insight into if he was targeting specific victims? >> in my opinion they do. and what's interesting is to know if in fact, he went to the restaurant, did the restaurant experience come first followed by attempted contacts through social media or was it the reverse? in other words had he found out and learned about them another way and attempted to

contact them through social media and then came to the restaurant? so, both scenarios would mean two different things, the ladder being if the restaurant was a followup, that would mean there was already following, um, and people are calling it hunting behavior. and technically, that's true, but, there would already be a pattern of following behavior before he got to the strapped. >> because in the world of stalking, stalking, just reaching out to somebody online is one thing and actually then in the physical world to go and try to establish contact, that's another step down the road? >> that's right. that's exactly right. and, 20 years ago, 25 years ago, before social media, it was all in-person, now it's a combination of social media, um, and in-person. >> how could the suspect possibly interacting with the future victims at the restaurant, again, not clear if there was any interaction, influenced his next steps.

influenced his motive in the murders? >> well, it would have given him the opportunity to see them, to watch their personalities, it would have given him the student to see if they interacted with him. and if there was any indication um that they slighted him on his part, not on their part, any indication that he felt that he was slighted or they ignored him. he would not have handled that well at all, it would be grossly misinterpreted on his part. so, it would have given him more information about the victims had he come in after the stalking actually had begun. >> and even if there was interaction, but wasn't slighting, but, just, i mean, people who go down this road, people who stalk, i mean, they interpret any kind of interaction in ways which are not necessarily predictable, i mean, somebody can be telling somebody, please stop doing

this, and they interpret it as something else. >> well, that's exactly right. and there's a term called the dangerous injustice collector, which is someone that goes through life collecting unjustices real or imagined. so, someone can compliment you on the shirt that you wore to work, if they are a dangerous injustice collector, their response could be, "why are you looking at my shirt, why are you always commenting? who do you think you are?". so, if the victims were there and left him with the expectation that they were insulting him. >> one of the employees said nothing was suspicious about his visit. i'm not sure what one can read into that if anything at all, i mean, the fact that he doesn't stand out in a crowd doesn't really say anything, or may be, it's, it's interesting

that there's nothing you know, i mean it's kind of scary that somebody can just blend in and seem like a normal person. >> that's exactly right. if he's not drawing attention to himself, then, he doesn't get himself into a position where the police are called, he could be interviewed, he could be arrested, and the fact that he does blend in so well is fairly sinister, especially if he's already thinking about what he's doing. and we know with most cases where the offender does appear to be very normal and rends in easily, sometimes those are the hardest individuals to catch, because the general public wants to think in terms of looking for a monster or someone who is evil when in fact that's the the case at all and certainly not the case here. an update on florida's controversial decision to block a high school advanced placement court on african-american studies. we have a report from ron desantis's camp saying why

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controversy that we brought you last nights, florida government is blocking an a.p. course, alleging it was inexpluckiblely. what was objectionable, tonight we have more answers. a few hours ago, the governor's office sent a list put together by the state's department of education, outlining six topics of concern, they say, among them, subjects like the movement for black lives, black feminism, reparations, black queer studies and questions the inclusions of certain black authors who writings touch on critical race theory. we want to get in touch with a person who is teaching the pilot a.p. course, it's taught around the country to see how it's going. lisa hill, the

inclusion, equity and diversity. i appreciate you joining us. what is your it first, your reaction to the reasoning from governor desantis' office about why the class should not be taught in florida. because, some of the specifics they're says are the topic of intersectionality and activism, black queer studies. topics about black feminist literary thought, the reparations movement, and others. >> i would have to say that, as i said before, i was a little baffled because it is just a illuminating history that has essentially been left out. and when you look at florida, which has such a large population of minority peoples, it seems to me as if they would want to embrace more of that so that it gives a fuller picture of what this country really is. if you're

going to go down that line, i did see things like "black lives matter", "black feminism". i wonder if you start to redesign any curriculare, does that mean you take out the women's liberation movement. so, my concern is that why is it that when certain people are a part of a movement or a group that it's considered to be um, less than, i guess, educational, less than scholarly, but, you don't mind having other courses that do speak to other peoples, you know, cultural contributions and histories. >> right. and there are american's studies courses which, i mean, this is not a black history course per se, there's history involved, but it's larger than that. it's wider than that, just as in american studies, it has a wider reach than just american history. to me, as a history

buff, all of this is exciting, it's the hidden histories that haven't been told for generations in this country widely, it's the histories of black people in this country. of, you know, people of color in this country, of gay and lesbian people in this country. i mean, it's people who are americans and parts of the american experience and yet, their stories aren't told, and to me, it's just interesting. i'm confused by -- i mean, is it, when you read the reasoning that they put out, it's very, you know, they seem to like, cherry-pick certain things from like a quote that a writer whose book is taught in the a.p. course or mentioned in the a.p. course has said, and it seems to be indicating that, like, with reparations movement, topic 4.30, it says all points and resources in the study advocate for reparations, there's no critical perspective or balancing of opinion in this

lesson. is that what you found? >> no. that is not what i found. what we're trying to do is to give students different points of view about the same topic. and, yes, it's easy to just go to one piece and pull it out of context and say, well, this is what they're talking about, but, if you look at the lesson plan and look at the breadth of things that you have to do in order to even discuss it, that is, you know, we're learning and teaching intercept, and that's what we do. and the other concern is that it sounds like we're giving full text with this. we're very careful of not sort of inundating the students with too much so that they're text-heavy and there's no sense or pointed of discussion. we give them, sort of bite-sized things so that we could have viable, robust discussions because they're going to need that skill when they go onto

college. and if this is really college peptory, i think that's fascinating and wonderful that we are representing different points of view about the similar topics. >> on something as controversial as reparations, i would imagine there are vigorous discussions and de-tbates in an advanced placement course in pros and cons and disagreeing, i would imagine that would be an interesting discussion. >> yes. that is the whole point, it is supposed to be a good discussion. so, i don't see them saying that when the japanese people, rightfully so said that they should have reparations for what they endured during world war ii i don't recall there being an outcry on that. i suppose i'm more concerned that there are several a.p. courses which discuss different cultural histories, and it seems as if, for some reason, this one has

been chosen to essentially say that it's historically inaccurate or has historical i inaccuratesies. when it has two historians. both. >> the governor's office said there were certain black authors and historians whose writings touch on critical race theory in this course. is critical race theory part of the curriculum? >> no, it's not at all. when you are talking about people of african descent, particularly in this country and you look at the things that they've endured, you have the intersections of race, and gender and class and all of those that are realities. now, c.r.t. is a theory about the construct of those things and, how they're played out in different systems in the country. what we're talking

about is who are these people? what have they experienced? it's not a political agenda. it is not a course of indoctrination, it is for people to understand that there are varied experiences of people of black descent throughout the world. >> lisa, i appreciate, i would love to stop by your classroom. >> please do. >> teachers are awesome, thank you for what you do, i appreciate it. >> coming up, my conversation with senior song writer james taylor about his friend, bill crosby who died yesterday, that's coming up. ♪ wow! same deal! yeah! it's kind of our thingng. what if i'm new to at&t? cam, can you? - nice! - hey! but what about for existing cus-

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>> singer song writer crosby is being remembered by fans and family. his energy and independence and embodied the spirit of the time, first, of course, with the byrds, and crosby crosby stills and nash. james taylor was fortunate enough to work be and befriend crosby. taylor performed with him and

his band mates from crosby, stills & nash. >> ♪ [music] >> ♪ if you can't be with the one that you love, love the one you're with ♪ >> just before i spoke with james taylor about what crosby meant to him and to music. james, thank you so much for joining us, can you talk a little bit about what made him the force that he was? what is it about him that set him apart, there's a lot of people who work hard in the business, who can sing well, but, don't certainly reach the heights and the level of impact that he had. >> you know, he was an artist. and, um, it just burned bright always, you know. it just, his energy shown through. it was,

it wasn't so much that he achieved it, it just couldn't be denied, you know. >> you gave the introduction speech when crosby, stills & nash were inducted into the rock-n-roll hall of fame in 1997, i want to play what you said then. >> the consent of the music was very relevant and in tune of the times and helpful to a nation and a generation that we're trying to navigate themselves through a very confusing time. songs like "woodstock". and those were great. thanks. >> can you talk more about that, the ken state song you referenced, i think it was ohio from the 1970, woodstock, how do you think those songs influenced and were influenced by all that was going on? >> that's the thing that i've been thinking about all day

long, is that, david in particular was, was sort of at the center of the movement. at the center of the sort of, cultural peak that was the early 1970s. um, he was, you know, to have been a member of the byrds, to have joined crosby, stills & nash, and to have stepped up to the plate with neal young's beautiful song "ohio". and basically, sort of, really quite a courageous thing to do. they responded so immediately to it. and, um, we needed it. >> i read that back in the '70s david also worked as a session singer and sang backup for you and also, i think for jackson brown. i hasn't realized that. >> he certainly did. david and graham sang on my song "mexico".

and, a song of mine called, "lighthouse". and, um, you know, that was also a real education. you know, it's sort of like david was always in the center, it was like the glue that held things together, sort of the secret sauce. you notice, of course, graham's voice and neal's voice is like, you know, it's unmistakable. and the same thing with stephens voice, that mellow, lower baritone that stephen had, but, david's voice is the thing that makes that sound. >> they, also, famously had a difficult, relationship, david said he was all about ego, was

he that difficult? >> no, not in my experience. david's and my relationship, our friendship, it was always one of sort of mutual support, you know, we sort of understood that each other, you know, we were working with the same information. we spoke the same language. we had this history, the same relationship with our times. and, we were also you know, we were also deeply into the music and, so for me, it was just a natural fit. >> yeah? >> but, of course, david and i also, um, had our struggles with substance abuse, with addiction. and, um, that was also a real text, a real you know, touch point between the two of us.

another sort of common world. >> that is that something that you guys talked about? because, david was open with that and ended up writing about that in the book "long time gone", how do you think going through that impacted him and how he wrote music? >> you know, i think surviving that and, um, man, it was really touch and go for a number of years there. i think it sort of left him with the sense that everyday was a gift. that, it was miraclous to be here and you felt that intense growth in him towards the later years. that, he did, i think, find a certain amount of peace you know, in his love for his family and his children. and, he, you know, i think people do tend to mellow as they ideally, as they move

through. >> it is one of the things about growing older which i, i'm finding now at the age that i'm at, and certainly that david talked about as he got older that in the end, for him, you know, he chose to spend his days with the two things which were most important to him, one, his family, and the other, music. >> you said it. you know. it's really, that's really right on. it's as though he realized what was important to him and he just focused on it and he was very prolific in the past two decades. beautiful work, thankfully. >> if you could only listen to one crosby, stills & nash song, what would it be? >> well, um, that's hard. i don't know. i loved david's song "wooden ships". we shared that too. ♪

wooden ships on the water, very free, easy. easy you know the way it's supposed to be ♪ silver on the shoreline like ♪ we were both sailors, and, um, i love that song. >> james taylor, it's a pleasure to talk to you, thank you so much. >> anderson, my pleasure. we'll be right back with more.

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beginning, has new e details. >> i need the police immediately. my wife -- >> reporter: alec murdock says he called 911 after finding his wife and son bleeding at their hunting property in south carolina. >> what is your name? >> my name is alex murdaugh. >> now for the first time we are learning more about how many times maggie murdaugh and paul murdaugh were shot and where. this latest court filing by murdaugh's defense attorneys includes an affidavit by a forensic expert. the expert offers a disturbing picture of the murder scene. he determined two gunshot blasts hit paul murdaugh. the first was to the chest. the fatal shot to his shoulder and head was so violent that his brain was completely detached from his head, according to the

expert. the affidavit also includes pictures from the crime scene. >> are they breathing? >> no, ma'am. >> reporter: the affidavit also det details how maggie murdaugh was shot five times with a rifle, including one gunshot to the back of her head and scalp. while the sequence of the gunshots was not clear, the expert concluded at least one of the shots was fired while she was on the ground holding herself up on her knees and her right hand with her shoulders and head down. blood spatter found on the t-shirt alex murdaugh was wearing the night of the murders could prove he was in close proximity to at least one of the victim when is they were shot. and the state's forensic expert stated there appears to be transfer and spatter stains on the front of murdaugh's t-shirt. murdaugh's t-shirt argued the blood got on his shirt when he touched the victims and denied

he was at the house when the murders occurred. prosecutors said he had a motive to kill them, to hide his financial crimes. prosecutors claimed alex murdaugh defrauded clients, coworkers, and family members of nearly $9 million. >> the day of reckoning was upon him and he was out of cards to play. >> reporter: that alleged motive dates back to a february 2019 boat crash, during which paul murdaugh was allegedly driving drunk. 19-year-old mallory beach was killed in that crash. because alex murdaugh owned the boat, her family filed a civil suit against him. his financial records likely would have been revealed at a scheduled hearing in june 2021. but maggie and paul murdaugh were killed a few days before, so the hearing was cancelled, which is why, prosecutors say, he killed his wife and son. >> he's still trying to prevent who he really is from getting out. >> reporter: murdaugh's defense

team has pushed back on the alleged motive. >> a handwritten and financial statement for that year -- doomsday reckoning in that regard. >> now, at the murder scene, anderson, investigators did find paul murdaugh's cell phone. and on that cell phone is an audio recording of alex murdaugh talking to his family, wife, and son earlier in the night around the time of the murders. prosecutors say the murders took place sometime between 8:30 and 10:00 p.m. the audio recording is at 8:44 p.m. now, the defense for him says, you know what? these conversations were recorded. they were perfectly normal. there was nothing unusual about them, nothing threatening about them. but that timeline and the alleged blood spatter that was on his t-shirt in our story, that is going to be very key at the upcoming trial. starts monday.

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