florida governor, ron desantis abruptly removed a twice elected prosecutor just last year, why? because he refused to go after people who seek and provide abortions or provide gender affirming care to transgender people. andrew warren sued desantis and now a federal judge dismissed that lawsuit saying his action of the governor did violate the first amendment and florida's constitution, but, as a federal judge he couldn't rule against a state official based only on the violation of state law. and the wake of that ruling today, andrew warren joins me now.

andrew, thank you for coming, i know that we talked when this first happened so i've been curiously following this particular suit, and the federal judge did take governor desantis' word for the suspension, but, he upheld it, why do you think that was in your opinion? >> thank you for having me back. as you said, the judge took the governor's to task. the governor violated federal and state law in suspending me. he said that the suspension had no legal basis and i was being suspended as a political hit job. now, the judge did not reinstate us as we asked, but, what's interesting here is that he agreed with us on the facts. he agreed with us on the law, but, he's saying as a federal judge he doesn't have the remedy to reinstate me to office. and what's interesting is that the

judge called on the governor to reinstate me. now, the governor talked a lot about how he believes in the rule of law. let's see what kind of man he actually is. is he someone that means what he says, does he actually believe in the rule of law? or is he a coward that's just going to hide behind this and not do the right thing. >> let me tell you what his reaction has been, he responded through a supposewoman saying today, the court upheld the judge's decision to suspend andrew warren for neglect. but, we know that's not what the judge said, the opinion does not talk about incompetence, in fact, it says there was not a hint of misconduct by you and that quote, the assertion that mr. warren neglected his duty or was incompetent was incorrect. there's still the impression being conveyed that somehow this

is not based on politics, and in fact, it's about your job performance. because of that, do you have an intention to appeal, is there a mechanicism you will pursue to get reinstated. >> the fact that the governor's spokesperson came out and said something clearly contrary to what the order says, it just shows, i mean, they live in alternate reality where the judge says there's absolutely no misconduct, andrew hasn't done anything wrong and they're saying, see, it's exactly what we said, he did something wrong. it shows that they will say anything to promote their own agenda. in terms of next steps, we'll figure that out. this was never a fight about me and my job, this was the battle of democracy, for free speech and the integrity of our elections.

to hold the governor accountable and have the truth come out. and that's what happened, the people see the truth that the governor suspended me in the pursuit of politics and he did so in the florida and u.s. constitutions. >> you were an elected official, and you mentioned the word democracy. but, there is a role that the florida senate can play, right? it could go before the florida senate which is responsible for removing office holder suspended by the government. as you know, the republicans have the majority in the senate, so, i'm wondering if you have hope that the legislative branch might be able to assist. i know that you said it's not about you, personally in the reinstatement but, will you look to the legislature for reinstatement. >> that's a possible avenue. again, the judge made clear

there was no misconduct by me. i didn't do anything wrong except do exactly what i said i was going to do. look, at the end of the day, this was about me standing up for issues that i believe in. this was me being transparent to the voters who elected me. these are things that any prosecutor should do, these are things that any elected official should do. and the governor disregarded that, broke the federal and the state law. and so, the question is, where do we go next to get the remedy that we deserve to make sure that not only my reinstated office but that this can't happen to anyone, ever again in the state of florida. >> and part of the reason, i suppose, we talked about it in the past, siting your suspension that you signed a letter along with other officials that had pledged that you would not seek to prosecute anyone who sought, provided or supports an abortion. i wonder, given all that's taken place right now, do you have any regrets for making

that position either known or for signing that letter? >> no, i have no regrets whatsoever. i mean, i believe that not only do i have a first amendment right to speak out about issues of public importance, but, as an elected official, i have a duty to the constituents in my county to tell them who i am as a prosecutor, and they know who i am. they know what i'm going to do. and so, i stood up for what i believe in. i stood up for what's right. the judge vindicated us on the facts and the law today. and we accomplished what we set out to do, almost all the way. i mean, again, this was about making sure that the governor's held accountable. that people see this for what it was, a political stunt. the judge made it clear, that's what it was. i would love to be reinstated we have to figure out the next best step to get there. >> andrew warren, thank you for your time. nice speaking with you again. >> thank you, have a good night. with me now, garrett tawle,

the director of the democracy and citizen institute. he's former federal prosecutor, elliott, let me begin with you, here, do you agree with the judge's opinion about the first amendment having been violated here, but, i wonder about the larger issue. a prosecutor that says, listenious i'm not going to be prosecuting or seeking prosecution of people who follow or seek safe harbor under a particular law or are seeking to get an abortion. some talk about the discretion that all prosecutors have, but, there is a lot of criticism wielded against prosecutors who have been vocal about what they don't intend to do. >> laura, i feel like this is my night for talking about former colleagues of mine who are now more successful than i am, because, andrew and i went to law school together. let's be clear, there's nothing new

about law agencies setting priorities on how they carry out their job. i worked at ice for years when we were deciding not to prosecute. which was a lie, for the entire time i was there. andrew's got a problem in that number one, florida law empowers the governor with a tremendous amount of juice that other governors don't have. and he's also running into the buzz saw of the governor who appears to have national ambitions beyond the state here. but, look, this idea that prosecutors can say i'm not going to prosecute a certain thing is nothing new. think about the goy with the joint in his pocket, literally there are very few prosecutors who would take the resource toss do that and spend the resources on the guys with the bricks of cocaine and so on. that's discretion and that's how law enforcement works. tale silly what the governor's done here,

but, as andrew said, it's all politics. >> there were a whole host of prosecutors saying there were priorities they wouldn't pursue with limited police and law enforcement and it became a conversation around so-called prosecutors and there was demonization. this was out in the public's eye before the election. i mean, if politics was truly his motivation, as the judge seems to say and of course, the former prosecutor is saying as well, there was no repercussion, she was penalized from the voters. he won handlely. >> very handlely. and it's the trump front-runner status. in terms of the political race, ron desantis is playing the base. if he were to he emerge as a gop nominee or office, he would have a different set of coll cue

lal -- calculations. a couple of florida newspapers assessed millions of dollars in legal costs to losing some of these culture cases, not this one, but, politically have been very successful for ron desantis in his home state. and when you look at florida registration pat turns, you see democrats losing a lot of ground over the last election cycles, in terms of new voters, losing ground to the middle while republicans are staying steady. i think the challenge for desantis will be he's really tried to model himself as a champion of free speech rights in part of his whole anti-woke stuff. but, in some cases he's not championing first amendment rights or rights of expression, he's using his powers, as allowed under the law to quash those rights. and i think that is, again, on a

national stage, at some point something he's going to have to reckon with. >> when you said the words in his state, and in florida, that becomes top of mind for so many people as you think about the national stage and how this translates in other places, like, issues of abortion, this is the weekend, it was the 50th anniversary to commemorate roe v. wade to be a decision. i wonder how though translates given the patchwork of laws regarding abortion. doze this translate in terms of a blueprint for other prosecutors? >> it might but it will depend on every state's laws and number one, how states craft their abortion laws and who, what does thegor or the voters of the state to call the people and so on. what's fascinating about this story is that we live in a country where we elect

prosecutors, 94% of the prosecutors in america are elected. but then when they behave in a manner in line with the voter that put them there, they get introuble. you see it here with andrew and the governor and prosecutors across the country. it's an odd scenario where we ask these folks to run for office and then either ask them to behave in an apolitical way. it doesn't make sense. >> it doesn't. i mean, the idea even with culture wars, more broadly, much of culture wars are based little in fact, it's more on the hyperbole, and the peak, or push salt into wound which may be a hy hypothetical. >> i see, although this does impact a prosecutor and the administration of justice, but,

from desantis' perspective it's about him using these levers to handle culture wars. this is around the same time of the state's decision on the a.p. course and how to teach black history in schools. and this is really all with who gets to decide, um, what the truths are. >> and you know what's fascinating about it, what does the word "woke" mean, and i bet a lot of people can't define it, it may be things like obscenity, but what is woke even mean? all it is is something, that if, as a governor, you say it, it triggers people, they hear it and we know we don't like that, we don't like what this prosecutor did because it's woke. it's a big of a dog whistle, but, people hear it and, it speaks to many folks. >> and they capitalize it and

there are ways to maneuver in the political stage. >> we have news on a story that we first brought you earlier this week. a judge in illinois granting a temporary restraining order barring the he enforcement of a new illinois gun law. it bans switches and allows some automatic fire arms to fire arms automatically and preventing dangerous individuals from possessing a gun through fire arms restraining orders. governor pritzker saying in a statement, "to protect illinois communities act takes weapons of war and mass destruction off the street while allowing law-abiding gun owners to retain their collections. i look forward to the next steps in the case and receiving the decision this case merits. ". there's also a proposal in san francisco to pay reparations of $5 million

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$5 million, that's the lump sum payment that a san francisco advisely committee on african-american reparation sunshine proposing, they say it's meant to address institutional harms by black residents and will be considered by the san francisco board of supervisors but it's already getting back-lash from some on the right and those who argue there's a better way to handle reparations. i bring shorn williams who'll present this proposal to the board of supervisors, and san francisco party chairman john dennis, good to see you this evening. thank you for joining, i'm very

interested in this topic and both of your positions. let me begin with you, here, cheryl, because i'm interested how the committee got to this recommendation and the number in particular. >> thank you, for, i would say, the process with the committee has been over a year in the making. it has been informed both by a community process which is community-informed and community-led, i think there are several factors that came into play, one is first and foremost, black folks in san francisco who were displaced whether through imminent domain or through gentrification who were removed from their homes, some people got nothing from their homes and some people got homes that are now worth millions of dollars, so, the lump sum is just a small fraction, it's not meant to address all of the harm but it's a starting point that i have talked about that they have been committed to, and that we've

heard from community members a lot of whom feel like that's not enough. so, that process is informed by cost of living, by home ownership and a lot of different things over the last year that they've looked into. >> and that number, in particular, as you could imagine, people reacted to it and seen the sticker shock, you're smiling because you've probably heard it yourself and thinking, did i hear this right is it $5 million for each person or lump sum, this is a concern for people. and a question, and i want to ask you, john, because, you say this is a serious issue, reparations, broadly, but, that the number and the way this has been brought about has been handled in an unserious way. can you explain why you feel that way? >> well, sure, if you look in the people on the commission, they all seem to come from a particular political persuasion, i noticed there were no lawyers

on the committee, which might have added the sobering note, i think everyone wants to be sure that the government has grievances against the government, they get addressed properly. but, it seems like the effort of the committee was a foregone conclusion, it was just a question of which number to which they would arrive. and it's interesting, also, in the report that there was no formula provided as to how they got to the $5 million. and i would like to note, as well, that it's not just $5 million, there's also a provision or suggestion in the proposal that says that every african-american in san francisco who is eligible would get $97,000 a year for 250 years. i don't know how that became valid or who suggested that, but, that just seems odd. and the total price tag, the city of san francisco's budget is $14 million, and it's a big spending city. we're talking about $50 billion as the total

cost of this package. >> i want you to address that sheryl, did you believe that's what it was, did you approach this and the commission, obviously, whose job it was to look at this, as a foregone conclusion as the number, it seems to me you just described a number of factors you used to get to the result in the end, what's your reaction? >> i think there are a couple of things to point out, first and foremost that the committee itself is meant to be made up of community members with lived experience that have been disproportion ately impacted. the idea or the notion that the money would come only from the city and county of san francisco is not the assumption of the committee, the idea of where the money will come from is in conversation still, there's an ordinance in san francisco, the slavery disclosure ordinance which was created in 2006 which was focused on understanding the

institutions that gained money off of the slave trade and that they are supposed to disclose and then they have the ability to contribute to a fund set up to support things like this. additionally, the $97,000 a year is not for all eligible in terms of every black person in san francisco, it is focused on folks from low-income, it is a very specific carve out, but, overall it's a package that folks are thinking about like how do we talk about all the different approaches, the system's piece, the programmatic pieces, it's not in the budget yet and not meant to totally be taken on by the city and it still has to go through the next draft and it still has to be presented to the board of supervisors, the mayor's not in her budget, it hasn't been vetted by the board and it hasn't gone to the city attorney who would inform the city and county of their opportunities and what they could do. so, there's a lot more to go before we do this. this is community

members saying what they think should happen based on the research that's been done. and the document is 80 pages. >> it is important that you acknowledge the idea. and inform all of us who is on the committee and the purpose, i just want to clarify one point, so, is the money intended as possibly an option to come from the private sector, you're saying, for those who may have benefited historically from the slave trade, when you're in a place like northern, california they think about silicon valley and the technology industry, obviously, far more novel than those that would have been thriving in 1619 and beyond. is that were it would be coming from, the private sector? >> i think that's part of the conversation that the committee wants to continue having. i think that's part of what the board of supervisors would have to do. but the slavery disclosure ordinance has wells fargo saying they benefited, bank of america, saying they

made money off of the slave trade. so, those are things that since 2006, the city and the county is trying to look at and understand what financial institutions, what insurance companies, who are the folks that have been able to benefit and prosper off of this, and perhaps that's something that the committee could look at. >> john, it sounds like this is very much a work in progress and a conversation in the making and it relies on a number of stakeholder, does that change your perception of where things stand right now? >> no, i'm afraid not. the report is terribly muddled, it largely focuses on red-lining in san francisco, which was san francisco city policy, which is one issue, but, for some reason one of the potential qualifications is if someone was a descendent of slaves. well, california entered the union in 1950 as a free state. so, what would slavery have to do with it? and another eligible complication is that somebody would have to have suffered from

the quote/unquote failed war on drugs which is federal policy, so, i'm wondering why those are brought in as eligibility prospects. and if you're talking about red-lining, what do we do with the chinese communities and asian communities impacted by the quality of san francisco. last year, the board of supervisors just simple issued an apology in february of 2022. so, i think there are lots of aggrieved people. we should address those issues, but, this, i'm terribly sorry to say, is just not a serious approach to this. and despite that, i think it actually could pass, if this goes in front of the board of supervisors, i suspect they have the votes. >> sheryl, can you address that, it sounds like john is saying in part that the idea that if multiple groups have grievance, perhaps we focus on

the collective, but, it also sounds like if $5 million is too much or this budget is insurmountable, and it seems like none would benefit. and we know, historically, there have been certain typing of reparations of groups in america who have suffered at the hands of the government and state municipalities as well. what is your idea the fact that this could pass given there's not yet the budgetary numbers in place to implement it. >> there are a few things that come to mind to me, first and foremost, just having the conversation and having it passed is monumental. to be able to own and recognize california was not a slave state, but, they did have rules to can return slaves, right? so, to have these conversations and drill down and go deeper, the other pieces as we talked about other groups we understand that we're still bound by prop 209

which precludes us from having these conversations about race and in san francisco over 10,000 residents were displaced in san francisco because of redevelopment. and over 80% of those folks were black. so, if we were to focus on that, we wouldn't exclude other groups but we would be able to say we know it was disproportionately black. we have groups which are saying, if we make this happen, it could hopefully inform what we do for other groups as well. so, it's not necessarily as limited and narrow as folks may think it is, it's actually very informative and i think the board passing it, they would then also work on how to cover the cost for this. no one is suggesting that the city go bankrupt to do this and no one is suggesting that the burden is solely on the city of san francisco. >> and john, this wouldn't be the first time that you had an

acknowledgement of a particular policy or position and figure the rest out later, how how often do we hear about that on capital hill. what's your reaction. >> i just feel again that the process was poorly done. it should be adjudicated. i want to say this is a societal problem that we're facing right now. it feels like in many circumstances that these sorts of policies, not just this one, but other ones are jammed down on a very political and tribal level. and when things like this are not done properly, it creates a bitterness that just lingers and it doesn't resolve anything. so, i would suggest that if people want to take a serious stab at this, they should take a different tact, take a look at what the actual issues are and what the economic impact was, the opportunity cost and address it from that manner in a fair way, this, i'm afraid

is not that approach. >> well, i'm glad to have you both onto converse about this important issue and i've learned, sheryl more about the process that seems to see the different ways and the avenues, but recognized it's not the end of the conversation, it sounds like it was the intention to spark one and a meaningful one and a continuation of a conversation we have around the country. thank you to both of you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. all across the country, people are working hard to build a better future. so we're hard at work, helping them achie financial freedom.

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for completion. the attorney for the production is telling cnn and actor, alec baldwin will star in the lead role. that after the d.a. announced shell charge the actor of involuntary manslaughter. after the fatal shooting of halyna hutchins. the film will include on-set safety supervisors and union crew members and bar any use of working weapons or any ammunition. alec baldwin was seen out today in new york but refusing to answer questions. i want to bring in someone with intimate knowledge of the d.a.s decision, his name is brian carpenter, and he's an armorer, and trainer and serves in an expert advisory role in the "rust" investigation. brian, thank you for being here this evening. i must say, some are really shocked to find that it will still go on. the show must

go on, is apparently the phrase to usement but, there are new safety precautions in light of what's happening and the tragedy is unthinkable for the loves ones and family of ms. hutchins. how have you helped in the investigation since you've been brought in and what did you advise the d.a.? >> well, the first thing is trying to get everyone to understand how an active set works. you know, the dynamics, how the unions and non-unions, and the union and non-union show it is operate. the specific roles of the each member on the cast and the crew. and very, specifically, the role of an armorer, an actor, producer, prop master, and first a.d. on set. >> and how did you advise the d.a. in terms of were there questions asked to you about who you think was responsible for who ought to have been

responsible to have the duty of care as to what ammunition was present on the set? >> that was drilled down on very specifically throughout the entire investigation. and obviously, the investigation's is continuing on. they did and continue do an excellent job, as i said previously, a very unbiassed, very thorough investigation starting from the beginning, working our way through interview and all of the evidence collected and it was a vast amount of it. but, yes, as we started talking about different roles and responsibilities, specifically, on a movie set, when you're handling a weapon, is protocol in place. like you said, previously, if you were opening the idea that they said it would continue on and then placed protocols in place, safety guidelines and protocol were already there and they're already thoroughly documented and followed on almost all shows, especially shows that, you know, want to make sure

that, you know, the safety and care of the cast and crew is paramount. >> is it your impression that the protocols, obviously, we know what's happened, but is it your impression from the review that there is a singular or some group in particular who ought to be held responsible? >> unfortunately, yes. and i have empathy for everyone. you know, i looked at this from a standpoint of my experiences on set. and i know the difficulties one faces as a crew member, especially in modern film making. it's been a trend over the last, you know, it's, you know, i would say, especially over the last six or seven years to push crew members, cast, crew, and the production itself to make them faster, for less money. because, that equates to money on the back end, you know, for certain persons who are involved

in it, the studio, anybody in the waterfall. so, having said that, when you start cutting corners, and trying to save money, unfortunately, that money seems to always be saved in the wrong places, such as stunts, special effects, firearms, et cetera, and that creates a dangerous situation. now, directly to your point and your question, when you have a person in custody with that weapon, if you wanted to use that term, and you have people handling the weapon and have a duty and responsibility of handling that weapon and an armourer who has a duty to make sure that weapon is presented correctly, is safe and functional and there at all times when it's being used, then, you start seeing a very evident group of people that either intentionally, disregarded or carelessly disregarded safety. >> well, there's still a lot

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. the music world is morning david crosby, legendry singer, song writer dead at the age of 81. between the, cnn anderson cooper spoke with james taylor about crosby's legacy. >> he was an artist, and it just burned bright always, you know, just, his energy shown through. it was -- it wasn't so much that he achieved it he just couldn't be denied. you know >> cnn randy k has more on the life of david crosby. >> he helped shape sound of 1960's folk rock as a founding member of the byrds, but david crosby will always be best known as founding member of crosby, stills and nash crosby stills

and gram nash. >> distinctive for mel des and harmonies >> in the midst of the late 60's laurel canyon scene in california the debut album went multi-platinum. >> it's what i was born to do, i love it. more than anything except my family. it's the most fun you can have and yes, i'm including sex. it's -- it's really a joy, you're communicating to people. you're making them feel something. >> in 1969, neil young joined the group, together they emerged as powerful cultural influence. ♪. ♪ >> a cross of egos between young and crosby got in the way. >> i was not easy >> biggy go, no brains. >> original trio expanded during the 1970s but some would regroup over the years including

coming back together to release the classic southern cross. ♪. ♪. around the world. looking for that woman girl. ♪. ♪. >> in 1989, they played the berlin wall. >> and the wall came crumb belling down. >> we had the song called chipping away that fit it we're going to go there and sending the song and it wasn't really a logical thing just something we wanted to do and did it >> over the years, crosby struggle lid with dick, in 1982 after his arrest on drug and weapons charges he spend five months in prison. >> had to you know, finish up being a completely wasted, you know, addict and spend a year in prison to get straight. and then once i did that, i jump back in whole heartedly. >> cocaine and alcohol abuse took its toll. causing crosby to have liver

transplant surgery in 1994, wrote about his addictions in an auto biographer called long-time gone, he continued to tour, in june, 2021, he spoke with howard stern and offered his philosophy on life. >> i am at the end of my life and it's a strange thing, here's what i've come to about it it's not how much time you got, we really don't know, i could have two weeks, i could have ten years, it's what you do with the time that you do have. and so i'm trying to really spend it well. whatever -- each day that i get, i'm very grateful for and i try to do it making music because i believe the world needs music. >> david crosby was 81. >> randy kay, thank you so much. thank you all for watching. our coverage continues. ♪. ♪. ♪. when you stay at a vrbo... i call doing the door code! ...the host doesesn't stay with you. it looks exactly like the picture.

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