tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 23, 2023 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
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it's one of the most unforgettable images from january 6th. a capitol rioter with his feet on then house speaker nancy pelosi's desk. tonight there's an update on that man, richard barnett. he's been found guilty of all charges against him including theft of government property. he will be sentenced in early may. today's verdict comes as foremembers of the -- four members were convicted of plotting to stop the certification of biden's 2020 presidential victory. thank you for joining us. thank you for joining us. ac "360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight, moments before he wounded 11 people at another location and was about to do the same. again, saturday night at a ballroom and dance studio in
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alhambra, california, just outside los angeles. the video is slowed down somewhat. the man in the frame is the 72-year-old mass kill here had already carried out a mass shooting at another ballroom in nearby monterey park. the weapon he's carrying, according to authorities, is a .9 millimeter ingram mac ten semi-automatic with what appears to be a suppressor or silencer which authorities say he was making at home. brandon tells us he heard sounds, metal on metal noises. you can see the shooter pulling back and then for a few seconds, he withdraws into the doorway as if to look around, at which point, seconds later, you see brandon entering there. his man outstretched, reaching for the man and then the weapon. we're just seeing this for the first time. we've never seen this video before. brandon will describe in a moment what he was doing and thinking in the seconds that we
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see and what we don't see. again, the killer has a mac ten, apparently a suppressor in stock. he had already killed ten people. an 11th died today. he might have taken many more lives had the scene played out otherwise. had brandon not gotten the gun and driven the gunman away. we'll be joined shortly by the man who represents him. first, my conversation with brandon tsay. first of all, you've been through so much. how are you holding up? >> well, i'm doing way better than i was at the night of the incident. >> can you take me through what happened saturday night? >> okay, so saturday night, it was chinese new year. the lunar new year. it was, it felt like a casual
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night. very typical. we had our customers coming in and out for our dance party. i was in the office lobby most of the time. it was late into the evening when the incident occurred. >> when did you know -- >> i heard a sound -- >> i knew something was happening. i heard the sound of the door, front entrance shutting, and then there was the sound. a distinct sound of metal coming together as if it was being rubbed together like someone was moving metal on metal. >> and how far away was that sound from you? >> it was no more than two meters away. >> so did you see the person then?
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>> no. it was the sound. i only turned after i heard that sound. >> what happened then? >> after that, when i saw what i saw, i froze up. the man had a gun. he was branding a gun. he had a gun pointed at me. it seemed like he was trying to scout out the room for other people. >> was he saying anything? you're saying he was two meters away. that's about six feet away from you. he was pointing a gun at you the whole time or was he moving it around? >> it was in my general direction. when i saw it, it was pointed straight at me. he was looking at other people, scouting the room. and he didn't say anything at all. he was silent. even so theic, very scary --
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stoic. he wasn't giving me any instructions. so what happened? >> what happened was, it seemed like he was preparing his weapon to fire. changing the setting on the gun or fixing his gun to prepare to fire. that's when i sprang into action. i realized in the moment that i needed to do something at this moment. i needed to grab the gun. try to disarm him so he couldn't do any harm to me or others. >> and that thought, not a lot of people in this moment would have maybe thought to run away or to dive for cover. your thought was to get the gun.
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>> i'm not going to lie. i did freeze up when i saw him with the gun. i had many thoughts where i would think, i'm going to die. this is it. this is the end for me. but then something happen. something came over me. i had this rush of thought and adrenaline. this sort of situation. i was able to come to the conclusion that i needed to do something, to grab the gun. i needed to save myself and the people inside. >> you're talking about all these thoughts you had, i assume this is all happening within split seconds in your head. how long were you standing there looking at him, seeing the gun before you before you acted? >> no more than two seconds. i saw a window of opportunity that he was distracted with his gun and took it.
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i took into action once i saw the opportunity. >> what exactly did you do? >> i made sure nothing was in my way to attack him, and i lunged at him with both my arms and i grabbed his weapon with both my arms. >> were you immediately able to take it out of his grasp? >> no. there was a big struggle, actually. the struggle went into the lobby. he hit me several tames in the face, behind my head. >> with what? >> with his hands. he was trying to free me away from his gun while trying to gain control of his weapon. at the same time i was trying to divert the weapon away from me, away from the ballroom to the
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ground in case he did fire. and i was also trying to free it from his grasp. using my elbows, my shoulders, trying to use my body weight to free the weapon away from him. >> and how long was this struggle for? >> i would say the struggle lasted 40 seconds. it felt like way longer. it felt like an eternity with the adrenaline and my thoughts. i was always thinking, if i let go of this gun, what would happen to me, the people around me, my friends, my family. how would they be affected if i let this dangerous individual run around? >> and were you saying anything to him during this struggle? was he saying anything to you? >> no. we had no verbal -- no verbal conversation. but he seemed like he didn't
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want to talk from the start. it seemed like he was trying to take action instead of have any type conversation or commands. >> so up it went on for 40 or so seconds. then what happened? how did you finally get it away? >> well, as he was trying to attack me with his arm, and his hands, i used the opportunity to yank the the gun away on his opposite side so he wasn't able to fully use his strength to keep the gun in position. that's when i was able to pull the gun away from him and create some distance between him and the gun. >> have you ever held -- go ahead. >> no, i've never held a gun before. it's scary to even, the weight
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of the gun, it daunted on me how this object was something that could end a person's life. >> so you have the gun and you create some distance. did he run away then? >> no. at this point, it looked like he was trying to fight. but i pointed the gun at him and told him, go, go away. you have to leave. go. get out of here. and i threatened him that i would shoot. i had many thoughts. i thought i would have to kill him. that i would have to shoot a person. >> were you prepared to do that? >> yes, i was prepared to fire, but i didn't want to shoot him anywhere that would be fatal. i wanted to see if i could aim at the legs or the arms, something that would stop him from trying to recover the gun.
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>> so you yelled at him. then what? >> then he was trying to contemplate whether to attack. like, there was a brief stand-off where he was just thinking about coming after me with his body. i was thinking i would have to shoot him. he came to the conclusion to turn around and leave. that's when he exited the door and jogged back to his van. >> wow! >> after that, i immediately called the police. still with the gun in my hand thinking he wouldn't come back. >> you said something this morning, and i want to read it out. i think it is important. you said courage is not the absence of fear but rather the ability to have adversity to fear when fearful events happen such as this. meaning, i assume, you felt
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fefear and you were able to act. it's not that you didn't have fear but you were able to overcome fear in that split second to do what you knew had to be done. >> well, yes, i feel without fear there could not be courage. if there was a level headed person who was logical, i'm not sure he would have taken the same actions i did. he would try the talk the gunman down or try to hide, try to run away and see if there is a safe place to just hide for the moment. when i was fearful and gained this courage, i knew that i needed to do something at that moment and i was thinking about my friends and family, how fatherful i was for them. and that just gave me strength
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to do what i did. >> so that's interesting. so having fear, you feel actually helped you in this situation. it made you act in a way that if you had intellectually thought about it, you might not have actually done it. >> that is correct. >> so not only is it extraordinary, what you did, because i've talked to many people had a have been in situations like this. and nobody knows how they'll respond in a situation like this. people think i would rush the gunman. but very often people who think they would do that end up when actually in the situation, for very understandable reasons, running away or trying to find a place to hated or doing something else other than what they thought intellectually they might do. did you ever think you were capable of doing something like this? >> well, you know, we always
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have the conversations of what if. like, especially with a situation where there's a gunman. you probably had this conversation in your life before. i would think that i would rush the gunman. but if -- prior to this, but if i was to like view my past experiences, it seems like i would have more of a flight response, to run away. but now that i see that in this situation, my character and my, my character and my mentality is totally different. >> yeah. it's heroic. >> people have called me a hero all day. i know the responsibility of that day. people have been trying to look toward me for a message. to find hope, some strength, some courage. and i'm glad that people are,
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people can look toward me and see this person, he was able to survive this situation. maybe there's home for others. >> what gives me hope about it is that it's not that you were fearless. you had fear and yet you were able to do what had to be done. that means all of us who feel fear can still act and can still overcome that in that moment when it is really needed. so i think that's, at left a for me, what i find so hopeful and i'm so impressed by what you've done. caught not only because you stopped him from another attack but also you helped police get him faster than you would
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otherwise. >> it was a motion of relief. and i had this catharticism that, oh, this guy was finally caught. that the harm he did to our city was finally over. and the threat was coming to an end. i was very able that they were able to catch this guy that he was on the run. it's amazing what our police were able to do. >> and obviously there are so many people in the community who are grieving tonight, or in pain. others who are wounded and trying to recover. you know people who died.
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>> yes. we are a close-knit community. the people that were there that night, most of them come to our studio so i know them in person. and some of them, i'm actually very friendly with. i know a couple of them by name. and it's very tragic, what happened. i want to say those who are injured or medical care, i hope you recover safely. those moo who have were unable to survive, i give you my deepest condolences. especially to their friends and family. i'm sorry for your loss, truly. >> thank you. you prevented further loss from happening. and i know there are a lot of families who would thank you tonight as well. thank you so much for talking
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with us. you're welcome. thank you for having me on the show. more on this story throughout the program tonight. coming up next, we'll talk to a congresswoman, judy chu, who represented the families, what she is hoping to do to meet their needs in the wake of this. and republicans helping george santos lying his way into the campaign. what the four most powerful republican does for santos.
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we were talking about this exclusive video of a shooting prevented. you will see him confronting the gunman. you can see it in the corner of the image. the 72-year-old mass kill here had already fatally wounded 11 men and women at a ballroom saturday night in monterey park outside los angeles. the weapon he's carrying into the ballroom that brandon and list family run in nearly alhambra is a semi-automatic. appears to have the suppressor, silenter. he told us as he heard sounds, what sounded like metal on metal noises. there you see him now going to confront him. he withdraws the doorway. he confronts him. his arms are outstretched and they tussle outside the camera's
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view. the kill her the mac ten. brandon told us what it was like to act despite having fear in those split seconds and do what he needed to do. >> i'm not going to lie. i did freeze up when i saw him with the gun. i had many thoughts where i would think, i'm going to die. this is it. this is the end for me. then something happened. something came over me. i had this rush of thought and adrenaline in this situation. i was able to come to a conclusion that i needed to grab the gun. >> brandon tsay is his name. what might have been a killer's second massacre of the night. now judy chu represents alhambra. as i said to you before the
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break, i'm sorry it is under these circumstances. it is remarkable when you hear brandon tsay talking about what happened. how much worse it could have been and how brave this young man was. >> your interview was very inspirational. these have been a tough 24 hours for us in this community. but hearing this story of this modest and humble young man confronting this terrible gunman and being able to take his weapon away from him after struggling with him. that is very important for our community to hear. because our community has been terrified, horrified during these past hours. and we need these messages of
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hope. >> how does your community respond, this community respond in this time? i mean, constituents, neighbors. it is devastating, obviously. >> yes. well, like i said, it's been a difficult 24 hours. when i woke up, we heard about the 10 and now 11 people being killed and 10 more in the hospital. the community was absolutely terrified by the thought of this active shooter going to their celebrations. so they didn't want to go. but we were encouraging them to go unless there was some alert from law enforcement. because we didn't want this shooter to take over this community and to stop this community from living its life. well, finally, at 5:00 p.m., it was announced that the suspect
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had been caught and that he killed himself. so we did breathe a huge sigh of relief. nonetheless, people are still reluctant to get out there. they feel this fear. and there are people around that community that heard the gunshots that are traumatized by all of this. so we still have to come together. we have to make sure that people know that they are safe. that they know that this gunman is no longer a threat, and that we move together as a community. together we are stronger. >> i understand you spoke with president biden earlier today. >> yes, i did. >> and he has been watching this very closely. he expressed his condolences for
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our community and for the victims and their families. he has been able to provide so many national resources for us, federal resources. i learned about this at 6:00 a.m. i immediately went to city hall. and already, not only were they the monterey officers but aft and many other agencies there. they were on this right from the beginning. and their cooperation is what led to the capture of this session. >> i appreciate your time tonight. i wish you the best. thank you. coming up next, george santos, the lying congressman and uncomfortable truth he now presents for the leadership member who vouched for him.
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just look around. this digital age we're living in, it's pretty unbelievable. problem is, not everyone's fully living in it. nobody should have to take a class or fill out a medical form on public wifi with a screen the size of your hand. home internet shouldn't be a luxury. everyone should have it and now a lot more people can. so let's go. the digital age is waiting. when we left you friday night, george santos was denying allegations that he was either a drag queen or had perform as one when he lived in brazil. quoting from his tweet to refresh your memory, the most
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recent obsession from the media claiming that i am a drag queen or performed as a drag queen is categorically false. that was in response to this photo purportedly of him with a long-time drag performer at a parade in 2008. over the weekend he changed his story, telling reporters, no, i was not a drag queen in brazil, guys. i was young and i had fun at a festival. sue me for having a life. unclear how or even if this moves the needle considering everything else he's facing, complaints to the ethics committee and calls for the house republicans to step down. now it could be blowing down on congresswoman stefanik. the fourth ranking republican in the house shelf vouched for him in the campaign and the cnn reporter pamela brown joins us now. >> reporter: to really sum it up, a senior strategist involved in the campaign says his team was laser focused on electing santos to congress. more than just about any other
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race in the country. now, stefanik insists she didn't know about santos' pattern of deception until "the new york times" showed that he lied about his school, family history, jobs. throughout the campaign, stefanik was a significant supporter. we talked to several people who donated to santos' campaign including one man who gave tens of thousands of dollars who said stefanik's support influenced them to donate. stefanik endorsed him more than a year before the election. there was a fundraising page. she later tweeted that a lunch event raised over $100,000 to help george flip new york district three. and also, santos talked about it as well. he used a photo of the two as you see on the screen as the banner image for his campaign until last week.
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those concerns grew louder and louder. even so, kevin mccarthy did an event to help santos just before the election and said he always knew there were issues with his resume so it wasn't just stefanic. >> elise stefan sic a powerful new york republican. she end dorss a lot of republicans. what makes this different? >> she didn't just endorse him. one of her top aides, political aides, was advising santos' campaign. there is no record it was in any official capacity. we're told he helped hire people for santos' campaign. now, stefanik's spokesperson denied anyone from her, quote, staff, worked for or advised santos and said congresswoman stefanik supported all nominees and the entire house republican leadership team. >> so there have been call for santos to resign. it's not been coming from republican leadership.
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what are you hearing from your sources? >> not at all. neither stefanic nor other republican banners have publicly asked him to resign. he's been given committee assignments. he's been co-sponsoring bills. republican consultants tell me, there is very little chance of him resigning. fumble margin in the house is so thin they don't want to risk losing his precious seat. >> all right. pamela brown, appreciate it. joining me, joined the president's first impeachment proceedings. you called on congresswoman stefanik for future investigations. have you heard anything about an ethics committee investigation? or what is the status? >> well, congressman richie torres and i filed a complaint a couple weeks ago but the ethic committee has not been
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constituted itself. we expect that will be one of the first things they dig into once they are constituted. >> who decides? does the committee get to decide? is that something mccarthy has say over? whether the committee actually chooses to take this up? >> so the ethics committee is split evenly between democrats and republicans with the nonpartisan staff? as the majority leader, as the speaker of the house, kevin mccary would have significant sway. that's where some of these issues related to his own knowledge of george santos' lies come in. he has a conflict of interest if in fact as has been reported he knew about some of santos' lies, still sponsored a fund-raiser with him, still concealed those lies from the voters in order to win that seat in the win at any cost view that he has. >> what does that mean? if powerful republicans knew there were lies, influence the
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veracity of things he said didn't play out. was it, they just wanted the seat? they wanted the flip and they needed as many seats as they could get? >> these are questions she should be asked. it is one thing for george santos to lie and cleat his way into a congressional seat. but altogether something else when he is doing it in complicity, so to speak, with elise stefanik, kevin mccarthy in leadership. and will elise stefanik is using political double speak that people are sick of. to say there is no staff member of mine who worked on santos' campaign is too cute by half. as a now politician, there is a difference between staff and consultants and advisers who are not technically on staff but very involved on campaigns. so that jumped out to me as very
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misleading. what we know is that a top political aide not only helped hire staff members and advisers but helped him do so after a bunch of people resigned because of his lies. that's how we know that stefanik was aware of his lies. >> which makes it all the more egregious about the lack of action in congress so far by republicans. is that local republicans, not elise stefanik, but local republicans have been calling for santos to step down. >> if the republican party wants to embrace george santos as one of their own, good on them. but that as a democrat would not be someone i would want to have as part of may party. someone who has defrauded his voters in order to get a seat in congress, and by not acting, especially if they had knowledge
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and tried to conceal it. they're embracing george santos and they're complicit in his fraud on his seat. do you think, if he resigned, the ethics committee investigation, if there is one, that would go away. >> probably. but the federal criminal investigation would not go away. >> but an ethics investigation could cost a member of congress millions of dollars to defend themselves. charlie rangel famously, i was talking to another congressman who said he thought rangel had spent a lot of money defending himself when he was brought up on ethics. it can cost a politician a lot if they have to defend themselves. >> yeah. there are ways that politicians can raise money to defend themselves. but the sirens are blaring with george santos' finances. where did he get this windfall? the bigger issue i'm trying to draw attention to is it doesn't
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seem like it was just george santos. it seems like this was a scheme that others were in on. that's why we need have to have transparency and accountability from elise stefanik. let's see it from her. >> appreciate your time. thank you. a cnn interview in ukraine cut short by an incoming russian round. ben wedeman shows us how dangerous it is. the fatight rages on. introducing the new sleep number climate360 smart bed. the only smart bed in the world that actively cools, warms and effortlessly responds tboth of you. our smart sleeperset 28 minutes more restful sleep per night.
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tomorrow will mark 11 months since russia began its invasion in ukraine. shelling is during around the clock according to president zelenskyy, especially where ben wedeman joined aid workers on a very special mission. >> reporter: ely worth jones is a long way from his home town in las vegas, nevada. a medic, he's delivering
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supplies to residents just a few hundred yards from russian lines in bakhmut. he does it because he can. >> i'm young, i trained for this, and this is what do i for a living. a lot of people are here. >> reporter: ely is with a group called front line medics, and you can't get much more front line than this. the fellow medic from norway explains how they work. >> you have a list of patients. we don't realliness. so we don't have any idea before we see them. >> reporter: our interview cut short by an incoming russian round. at a slightly safer distance from the fighting, they parked
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their mobile clinic and treat who they can. he says his feet are in pain. >> reporter: can you ask him which foot? >> both. >> reporter: both? okay. he lives in an unheated apartment and is suffering from frostbite. they'll take him to a hospital outside bakhmut. he couldn't leave a moment sooner. the russian noose is tightening. slowly russian forces are gaining ground. they're on the high ground behind me. they're advancing from the north and they're advancing from the south. worse is yet to come says the british voluntary soldier. >> going to try to do some movement around bakhmut. i don't think i'll try a circle per se but through the fields.
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>> reporter: yet residents stay on and volunteer as they do what they can. victoria is doing the rounds, handing out food and water. >> reporter: are you a little nervous with the situation here? >> look at me. do you see nervous? no. >> reporter: nerves of steel as the shelling goes on. >> you've been in bakhmut for a while now. what are the changes that you've noticed? >> reporter: well, certainly in the last few days, we've noticed the shelling has intensified dramatically. whether you're inside the city or outside, there is a constant rumble of incoming and outgoing artillery and rockets. what we've also noticed is that the russians seem to be using their air power more, which we hadn't seen before. and sadly, what we've seen is that the people in bakhmut who
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we've been watching now for almost a month, seeing a lot of the same people. they really seem to be suffering. you notice the morale is dropping. the health of people there is dropping. there just seems to be a general deterioration of the way people live. it's bitterly cold. there is no running water, no electricity, no heat. food comes through volunteers, but it's not always dependable because the volunteers can't always get to the people who need it. so in general, the situation is getting worse and worse. >> incredibly grim. thank you. coming up, jury selection in the double murder trial of allen murdock. he's now on trial for the murders of his wife and younger son. that's just the beginning.
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jury selection began today in the double murder trial in alex murdaugh, charged with killing his wife and son, part of a scheme to cover up massive financial fraud that was beginning to unravel. last week a gruesome forensic report revealed how his wife and son died. randi kaye joins us with the latest. the evidentiary phase, randi, hasn't started, but you learned about what could be a crucial piece of evidence at the trial.
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>> yeah, anderson, this is a piece of evidence that prosecutors are calling critical to their case. it is a snapchat video that paul murdaugh sent to a group of friends shortly before he was killed. this was sent at 7:56 p.m. on june 7, 2021. remember, the state says that he and his mom were both gunned down sometime between 8:30 and 10:06 p.m. so, that would fall just before those murders would have happened. we don't know what's on this snapchat video, but it is so important that the state has actually subpoenaed representatives from snapchat and google to come into court and testify to the authenticity of it. so, we don't know exactly when that will happen, but we do expect to see them and hopefully learn what is on that snapchat video. >> you were in court today for jury selection. how did that go? >> it's going pretty quickly, actually. they're making great progress. we potentially could have a jury seated by end of day tomorrow. it was really interesting
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because as these jurors are all questioned, alex murdaugh is sitting in court. he was just sitting a few feet from me all day. he stood up, turned around, introduced himself to the jurors so they could identify him. and then at one point, the judge asked a jury pool of about 100 people if they were familiar with this case, if they had heard of this double murder, of his wife and son. and sure enough, the entire -- he asked whoever was familiar with it to stand up. the entire jury pool, anderson, stood up, nearly 100 people. and even the judge was surprised by it. he remarked, wow, that's everyone. certainly that speaks to the interest in this case and how well known the murdaugh family is. the lawyers are okay with people knowing about the case, potential jurors. they just want to make sure they're impartial. >> what about potential witnesses at the trial? do we have any idea who may testify? >> we haven't heard. there's rumors about who may show up as a witness. today the judge read for the
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potential jury pool a list of witnesses 205 names. we don't know if all of them will be there, but for those of us following the case closely, i recognize one of them. one is buster murdaugh, alex murdaugh's only surviving son. also alex's brother was on that list. including the family of gloria satterfield, the housekeeper who fell down the steps at the murdaugh home. he settled with their family for more than $4 million. there's also the name of curtis eddie smith. that's the man who alex murdaugh allegedly hired in a fake suicide attempt. he hired him to make it look like someone shot him and his son. the surviving son would get the life insurance money. >> and the financial crimes he's accused of even before these murders -- which the prosecution is saying the murders were designed to cover up the financial crimes and
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improprieties. it's incredible how long the history goes back with this guy. it's fascinating to see what comes out of court. randi kaye, appreciate it. just ahead, my conversation with brandon tsay, the man haled a hero. you'll hear from him about how fear didn't stop him. in fact, it motivated him to lunge for the killer. plus cnn's harry enten joins us to talk about the dozens of mass shootings that have taken place in a year that is only 23 days old. at the end o of the day, my mom raised three children, including myself. and so once the client knew that she was heard. we were able to help her move forward. your client won't care how much you know until they know how much you care.
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