tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN January 23, 2023 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
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so a video that seemed, for a picture of a hero taken a mass murder gonna. way grappling with him, and disarming someone who just moments before shot and fatally wounded 11 people at another location, it is about to do the same again. saturday night, at a bar room and dance studio i'll umbrella fournié. just outside los angeles. brandon's, i it is family -- >> to video a slowdown somewhat, the man of the frame is the 72-year-old mass killer who had already carried out a mass shooting at another ballroom and it there by monterey park. now, the weapons carrying, according to authorities as a 9 mm-ing from mac ten semiautomatic which what appears to be a suppressor, or
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silencer, which authorities say he did make an at home. branded tsai tells us he heard sounds, metal on metal noises, you could see the shooter pulling back on the weapon. then, for a few seconds, he withdraws into the doorway. as it look around. at which point, seconds later, you see brandon they're entering and confronting the man. his arms outstretched, reaching for the man with a weapon. struggle moves into the doorway just outside that room. we are just seeing this for the first time. we've never seen this video before. brandon will describe in a moment just what was happening. what he was doing and thinking in the seconds that we see, and what we don't see. the killer has a mccann, apparently a suppressor and stop, he had already killed ten people. and 11 victim died today, he may have taken many more lives
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had the scene we were watching played out otherwise. had brandon not gotten the gun and given the gunman, who later took his own life, away. we are gonna be joined shortly by the man who represents monterey park. but first, my conversation with brandon. i spoke to him just before airtime. >> brandon, you have been through so much, how are you holding up? i'm doing way better than i was at the night of the incident. >> can you take me through what happened on saturday night? >> okay, saturday night, it was chinese new year, the lunar new year. it was, it felt like a casual night. very typical, we had our customers coming in and out for our social dance party. i was in the office lobby most of the time. it was late into the evening when the incident occurred.
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>> when did you know something was happening? >> i heard a sound. when i knew something was happening, i heard the sound of the door, front entrance shutting. there was the sound, a distinct sound of metal coming together as if it was being brought together like someone was moving metal on metal. >> how far away was that sound from you? >> it was no more than two meters away. >> did you see the person then? >> no, what alerted me was the sound. i only turned after i heard that sound. >> what happened then? >> after that, when i saw what i saw, i froze up. the man had a gun. the man was brandishing a gun. he had a gun pointed at me. it seems like he was trying to get out the room for other people.
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>> was he saying anything? you're saying he was two meters away, that is about six feet away from you. he was pointing the gun at you the whole time, was he moving it around? >> it was in my general direction, but when i saw him, it was pointed straight at me. he was trying to look for other people, scouting the room. he didn't say anything at all, he was silent, even stoic, very scary. he wasn't even saying anything or giving me any instructions. >> what happened? what happened was, it seemed like he was preparing his weapon to fire, changing some sort of setting on the gun or fixing his gun to prepare to fire. that is when i sprang to action, i realized in the moment that i needed to see something at this moment. i need to grab the gun, try to disarm him so he can do any harm to me or others. >> that thought, a lot of people in this moment would have maybe thought to run away
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or to dive for cover. your thought was to get the gun. >> yes, i'm not going to lie, i did freeze up when i saw him with a gun. i had many thoughts where i would think, i'm going to die, this is it. this is the end for me. but then, something happened. something came over me, i just had this rush of adrenaline. in this situation, i was able to come to a conclusion that i needed to do something, i needed to grab the gun. >> i save myself and the people inside. >> you are talking about all these thoughts that you had. i assume this is all happening within a split second in your head, how long were you standing there, looking at him, seeing the gun before you acted? >> no more than two seconds, no more than two seconds. i saw a window of opportunity, he was distracted with his gun. and took it. i took into action once i saw the opportunity. >> what exactly did you do? >> i make sure that nothing was in my way too attack him. i lunged at him with both my
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arms. i grabbed his weapon with both my arms. >> were you immediately able to take it out of his grasp? no, there was a big struggle actually. the struggle went on into the lobby. he hit me several times. in the face, behind my head. >> with what? with his hand? >> with his hands. he was trying to free me away from his gun. while trying to gain control of his weapon. but at the same time, i was trying to divert the weapon away from me, away from the ballroom, down onto the ground, in case he did fire. i was also trying to free it from his grasp using my elbows, using my shoulders, trying to use my body weight to free the weapon away from him. >> how long was the struggle for? >> i would say the struggle lasted 40 seconds. but it felt like way longer, it felt like an eternity with the adrenaline and my thoughts. i was always thinking about, if
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i let go of this gun, what would happen to me? the people around me? my friends? my family. how would they be affected if i let this dangerous individual run around. >> we saying anything to him during the struggle? was he saying anything to you? >> no, we had no verbal conversation. he seemed like he did want to talk from the start. it seemed like he was trying to take action instead of having any type of conversation. >> you said it went on for 40 or so seconds. then what happened? how did you finally get it away?
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>> well, as he was trying to attack me with his arms and his hands, i use the opportunity to yank the gun away on his opposite side so he wasn't able to fully use his strength to keep the gun in position. that is when i was able to pull the gun away from him and create some distance between him and the gun. >> -- go ahead. >> i've never held a gun before. it is scary to even -- the weight of the gun daunted on me how this object was something that could any person 's life. >> so you have the gun and create some distance, did you
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run away then? >> no, at this point he looks like he was still trying to fight. i pointed a gun at him and told him, go, go away. you have to leave, go, get out of here. i also threatened him that i would shoot. i had many thoughts, i thought i would actually have to kill him and actually shoot this person. >> were you prepared to do that? >> yes, i was prepared to fire but i didn't want to shoot him anywhere that would be fatal. i wanted to see if i could aim -- run away then? >> no, at this point he looks like he was still trying to fight. i pointed a gun at him and told
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him, go, go away. you have to leave, go, get out of here. i also threatened him that i would shoot. i had many thoughts, i thought i would actually have to kill him and actually shoot this person. >> were you prepared to do that? >> yes, i was prepared to fire but i didn't want to shoot him anywhere that would be fatal. i wanted to see if i could aim at the lakes over the arms. something that would stop him from trying to cover the gun. >> you yielded him, then what? >> then he was trying to contemplate whether to -- there is a brief standoff where he was just thinking about coming after me with his body.
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i was thinking, i would have to shoot him. but he actually came to the conclusion to turn around and leave. that is when he exited the door and went back to his van. >> well. >> have to that, i immediately called police, still with a gun in my hand, hoping that he would come back. >> you said something this morning and i just want to read it out because i think it is important. he said courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the ability to have adversity to fear when fearful events happen such as this. meaning, i assume you felt fear
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and yet you were still able to act. it's not as if he didn't have fear, but you are able to overcome that fear in that split second in order to do what you know had to be done. what she knew had to be done. >> well, yes, i feel like that without fear there cannot be courage. if there was a levelheaded person who was logical, and actually thought about the situation, i'm not sure he would have taken the same action as i have. he would probably try to talk the gunman down or try to hide and try to run away and see if there's a safe place to just hide for the moment.
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when i was fearful and gained this courage, i knew that i needed to do something at that moment. i was thinking about my friends, my families, how fearful i was for them. that just gave me some strength to do what i did. >> that is interesting, actually having fear, he felt it help you in this situation because it made you act in a way that if you had intellectually thought about it or, you might not have actually done. >> that is correct. >> i think, not only is it
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extraordinary what you did, because i talked to many people who have been in situations like this and nobody knows how they're going to respond in a situation like that, people think i would rush the gunman but very often people who think they would do that and up, when actually in the situation, for very understandable reasons, running away or trying to find a place to hide, doing something else other than what they thought intellectually they might do. did you ever think you are capable of doing something like this? >> well, we always have that conversation, what if. especially with the situation where there's a gunman, you probably had this conversation in your life before. i would think that i would rush the gunman, but it's prior to this, if i was to view my past experiences, it seems like i would have more of a flight response to run away. but now that i see in a
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situation, my character and my mentality is totally different. >> it is harrowing. >> people have been calling a hero all day. i know the responsibility of that road word. people have been trying to look towards me for a message, for hope, some strength, some courage. i'm glad that people can look towards me and see, this person, he was able to survive the situation. maybe there is hope for others. i think that's a very hopeful thing. all of us who feel fear can still act and -- they can still overcome that in that moment when it is needed. that for me is what i find so hopeful. i am so impressed by what you have done. when you found out, brandon, that he had been caught, and caught because not only you
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stopped him from another attack, but you helped police get him faster than he probably would have otherwise, what did you think when they found him? >> it was on a motion of relief. i had this -- this guy was finally caught. the sky was finally caught. the harm that he could have done to us and the city was finally over. the threat at hand was finally coming to an end. i was very glad that they were able to catch this guy and within a day that he was on the run. it's amazing that the police were able to do that. >> obviously, there are so many people in the community who are grieving tonight or are in pain, others who are wounded and trying to recover. you know people who died. >> yes. we are a close knit community. the people who were there that night, most of them come to our studio. i know them in person. some of them i'm actually very friendly with.
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i knew a couple of them by name. it's very tragic what happened, i want to say that all those who are injured or in medical care right now. i hope you recover safely. those who are less fortunate and were unable to survive a giving my deepest condolences, especially to their friends and families. i'm sorry for your loss, truly. >> brandon, thank you. you prevented further loss from happening. i know there are a lot of families he would thank you tonight as well. thank you so much for talking to us. >> you're welcome. thank you for having me on the show. >> more on this story throughout the program tonight. coming up next, we will talk to a congresswoman who represents the district. what people are telling her and what she is hoping to do to move her leads in the wake of this. later, the reckoning that some powerful republicans are facing for help and george santos lie his way into congress and fund
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you can see him confronting the gunman. you can see that in the corner of the image. the 72 year old mass killer had already fatally wounded 11 men and women and a ball room outside of los angeles. the weapon he is carrying into the ballroom that brandon and his family were on a nearby alhambra is a nine in groom semiautomatic who appears to have a suppressor or silencer. brandon told us that he sounded like metal on metal noises. he turned around and saw the killer. you see brandon going to confront him. he withdrew to the draw away. brighton confronted him. they tussle outside of the cameras view. the struggle moved outside of the room. the killer, as i said, at the mac ten. brandon told us what it was like to confront him. it was like -- acting despite having fear in that moment in those split seconds. >> i'm not going to lie, i did
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freeze up when i saw him with the gun. i had many thoughts were i would think, i'm going to die. this is it. this is the end for me. something happened. something came over me. i just had this rush of adrenaline. in this sort of situation, i was able to come to a conclusion that i needed to do something. i needed to save myself. >> brandon tsay is his name. it might have been the second massacre of the night. congresswoman judy chu represents monterey park and alhambra. congresswoman chu, i appreciate you joining us. i'm sorry it's under the circumstances. it's remarkable when you hear brandon tsay recounting what happened in this second dance to diaz added i'd, how much worse it could have been and how brave this young man was. >> your interview was very inspirational. you know, these have been a
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tough 24 hours for us in this community. hearing this story of this modest and humble young man confronting this terrible gunman and being able to take his weapon away from him after struggling with him, that is very important for our community to hear. our community is, has been terrified, horrified. during these past hours, we needed these messages of hope. >> how does a community respond -- how does your community respond, this community respond in this time? constituents, neighbors, it's devastating, obviously. >> yes. well, like i said, it's been a difficult 24 hours. when i woke up, we heard about the tan and now 11 people being killed and ten more in the hospital. the community was absolutely terrified by the thought of this active shooter going to their celebrations. they did not want to go.
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we were encouraging them to go unless there was some alert from law enforcement because we did not want the shooter to take over this community and to stop this community from living its life. well, finally at 5 pm, it was announced that the suspect had been caught and that he killed himself. we did breathe a huge sigh of relief. nonetheless, people are still reluctant to get out there. they feel this fear. there are people around that community that heard the gunshot that are traumatized by all of this. we still have to come together. we have to make sure that people know that they are safe, that they know that this gunman is no longer a threat, and that we move together as a community together we are stronger. >> i understand you spoke with president biden earlier today. >> yes, i did. he has been watching this very closely. he expressed his condolences for our community and for the victims and their families. he has been able to provide so many natural resources for us, federal resources for us. i learned about this at six a.
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m.. i immediately went to monterey park city hall. already, not only were there the l. a. county sheriffs and the monterey park police but the fbi, aft, and many other federal agencies. they were more on this right from the beginning. their cooperation is what led to the capture of this shooter. >> congresswoman chu, i appreciate your time. i wish you the best. thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up next, george santos, to the line congressman, the uncomfortable truth. the leadership member vouched for him. when we left you friday night, george santos was denying
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over the weekend, he changed his story, telling reporters, quote, no, i was not a drag queen in brazil, guys. i was young and i had phone at a festival. sue me for having a life. unclear how or if this moves the needle considering everything else he's facing including investigations and calls from fellow house republicans to step down. some of it could be blowing back on some of the most influential members of the delegation. at least to finish as the fourth ranking republican in the house. she vowed for san antonio in the campaign. pamela brown joins us now. what more can you tell us about this? >> anderson, to really summit up, a senior republican strategist involved in campaigns told me, quote, stefanik's team was laser focused on electing santos to congress, more than just about any other race in the country. stefanik insists she didn't know about the pattern of deception against the republican -- he made up stories in his past after the election including lies about his job, school, family history, the list goes on. throughout santos's campaign,
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stefanik was a significant supporter. we spoke to several people who donated to santos's campaign, including one man who gave tens of thousands of dollars who said that stefanik support influenced them to donate. stefanik endorsed santos more than one year before the election. her tweet included a link to a fund raising page which would benefit both her and santos. she later tweeted out a launch event raised over $100,000 to help george floyd new york district three. also, santos -- he used a photo of the two, as you see right here on the screen, as the banner image for his twitter page up until last week. i'm told concerns grew about santos, louder and louder among republicans in washington last summer. even so, he says he always knew that there were issues. >> at least a fonda is a powerful new york republican. what makes this different? >> she did not just indoors and help fund raise for santos. according to multiple sources, whatever topical aids was advising santos's campaign.
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there is no record it was in any official capacity. we are told he helped hire people for santos's campaign. so far alex spokesperson -- all gop nominees and targeted new york seats. the entire house republican leadership team, that's what they are saying. >> there are calls from republican leadership for him to resign. what are you hearing from your sources? >> neither backers of his in congress have publicly asked santos to resign. he has even been given committee assignments. he's co-sponsoring bills. i don't know we spoke to said santos is an embarrassment to the party. he should resign. republican consultants say there is better chance of that happening. >> angela brown, thank you. joining us now is daniel goldman. you called on congresswoman
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stefanik. have you heard anything about an ethics committee investigation? >> the ethics committee has not yet been constituted itself. we expect that will be one of the first things they dig into once they are constituted. >> does the committee get to decide? is that something mccarthy has say over? >> the ethics committee is split evenly between democrats and republicans. kevin mccarthy would have significant sway. that is where some of these issues related to his own knowledge of george santos's lies come in. he has a conflict of interest if in fact as has been reported he knew about some of santos's lies, still sponsored a fund-raiser with him, still concealed those lies from the voters in order to win that seat in the win at any cost view that he has. >> what does that mean?
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if powerful republicans knew there were lies, knew that the -- lies, still sponsored a fund-raiser with him, still concealed those lies from the voters in order to win that seat in the win at any cost view that he has. >> what does that mean? if powerful republicans knew there were lies, knew that the veracity of things he had said did not play out, was it that they just wanted the seat? they just wanted the flip and they needed as many seats as they could get. >> these are good questions that at least stefanik should be asked. it's one thing for a fabulist like george santos to lie and cheat his way into a congressional seat. it's all together something else when he is doing it in
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complicity with elise stefanik, kevin mccarthy, and leadership. at least if ionic is using political doublespeak that people are just sick of to say that there is no staff member of mine who worked on santos's campaign. that's -- as a now politician, there is a difference between staff and advisers who are not technically on staff that are involved especially in campaigns. that specific use of the word stuff jumped out to me as very misleading because what we do know now from both pamela and from the new york times is that a top political aide to stefanik not only help santos hire staff members and advisers but helped him do so after a bunch of people resigned because of his lies. that is how we know that stefanik was aware of his lies. >> what makes it all the more egregious about the lack of action in congress so far is
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that local rob luckin's, not only stefanik, political republicans on long island have been calling for santos to step down. >> look, if the republican party wants to embrace george santos as one of their own, good on them, with that as a democrat would not be someone i would want to have as part of my party, someone who has defrauded his voters in order to get a seat in congress and by not acting especially if they had knowledge and try to conceal it, they are embracing george santos. they are potentially complicit and is flawed on his seat. >> if he resigned, the ethics committee investigation, if there is, what that would go away. >> probably. the federal criminal investigation would not. >> i mean, an ethics investigation can cause a member of congress to lose millions of dollars to defend themselves. charlie wrangle, i was talking
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to another congressman. randall had spent a lot of money defending himself when he was brought up. it can cost a politician a lot if they have to defend themselves. >> there are ways that politicians can raise money to defend themselves. the sirens are blaring with george santos's finances. where did this guy get this financial windfall? the bigger issue that i want to draw attention to is that it doesn't look like it was just george santos. it seems like this was a scheme that others were in on. that is why we need to have transparency and accountability from elise stefanik. those are two words that she uses all the time. let's see it from her. >> congressman goldman, we appreciate your time. thank you. a cnn interview in ukraine was cut short by an incoming russian round. >> [sound of gunfire] ben wedeman joins us shortly
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killing his wife and younger son. part of a scheme prosecutors say two cover-up massive financial fraud that was beginning to unravel. last week, a gruesome forensic reports revealed how his wife and son died. cnn's randi kaye has been following the story from the beginning, she joins us with the latest. -- we've learned about what could be a crucial piece of evidence that the trial? >> yeah, anderson, this is a piece of evidence, the prosecutors are calling this critical to their case. it is a snapchat video that paul murdoch sent to a group of friends shortly before he was killed. according to a court filing, this snapchat video was sent at 7:56 pm on june 7th of 2021. remember the state says that he and his mom were gunned down sun sometime between 8:30 and 10:06. that would fall just before those murders would have happened. we don't know what's on this snapchat video. it's so important that the state has actually subpoenaed representatives from snapchat and google to come into court and testify to the authenticity of it. we don't know exactly when that
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will happen, but we do expect to see that and hopefully learn what is on the snapchat video. >> you were in court today for jury selection. how did that go? >> it's going pretty quickly, actually. they could potentially have a jury seated here by the end of the day tomorrow. it's really interesting, anderson. asked the jurors were questioned, alex murdaugh sitting there in court. the judge asked him to stand up. he was just sitting a few feet from me all day. he stood up and turned around and introduced himself to the jury. the potential jurors could identify him. at one point, the judge asked the jury pool of about 100 people if they were familiar with this case, if they had heard of this double murder of his wife and son. sure enough, he asked whoever was familiar with it to stand up. the entire jury pool, anderson, instead of, nearly 100 people. even the judge was surprised. he remarked, wow, that's everyone. that certainly speaks to the interest in this case and how
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well-known the murdaugh family is. the lawyers are okay with people knowing about the case, financial jurors. they just want to make sure they are impartial. >> what about potential witnesses? do we have any idea who may testify? >> we had not heard. there have been rumors about who might, who might show up as a witness. today, the judge actually read for the potential jury pool a list of witnesses, 205 names. we don't know if all of them will be there. for those of us who have been following this case, i certainly recognize some of them. one of them is foster murdaugh, alex murdaugh surviving son. his brother was on that list. some of his financial crime victims were on that list, including a family of gloria satterfield, the housekeeper who fell down the steps at the murdoch home whose body is going to be exhumed. he settled with their family for more than $4 million. there is also, anderson, the name of curtis eddy smith. that's the man who alec murdaugh allegedly hired in this fake suicide attempt, he hired him to come and shoot him
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on the roadside to make it look like someone shot him and his son, his surviving son would get life insurance money. >> the financial crimes he is accused of even before these murders which the prosecution is saying, you know, the murders were designed to kind of cover up the financial crimes and improprieties he was doing. it's incredible how long the history goes back with this guy. with brandon tsay, the man described as a hero for confronting and disarming a gunman in california who killed at least 11 people. you will hear from how fear did not stop him. he says he may have motivated him to lunch for the killer. plus, cnn's harry hanson joins us to talk about the dozens of mass shootings that have taken place in america in a year that is only 23 days old.
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