breaking news. we are getting new images in tonight of the catastrophic damage left behind after a tornado tore through pasadena, texas, which just outside houston. officials are now digging through the debris, looking for anyone who may be trapped. homes and offices have been ripped apart, cars overturned. so far we understand officials are reporting just one injury, which is incredible given that devastation. thank you so much for joining us. anderson starts now. good evening. we begin with much more on the news that cnn was first to report. documents with classified markings found at the home of former vice president pence.

cnn's jamie gangel, who broke the story, joins us in the moment. first, though, the irony of classified documents ending up where they did, of all places. >> did you take any classified documents with you from the white house? >> i did not. >> do you see any reason for anyone to take classified documents with them leaving the white house? >> well, there would be no reason to have classified documents, particularly if they were in an unprotected area. >> so that was the former vice president in november talking about the former president, saying there is no reason for anyone to take classified documents with them after leaving office. here he is three days after the first batch of biden documents was reported suggesting that he knew how to handle such things. and then vice president did not. >> the handling of classified materials and the nation's secret is a very serious matter, and as a former vice president of the united states, i can speak from personal experience

about the attention that ought to be paid to those materials when you're in office and after you leave office. and clearly, that did not take place in this case. >> nor apparently in his. that said, just as with the biden documents, they are small in number, and there is no evidence of anything nefarious such as willfully taking them or obstructing government efforts to retrieve them, which of course is in stark contrast to the mar-a-lago documents. the former president posted this on his social media site today, quoting now, mike pence is an innocent man. he never did anything knowingly dishonest in his life. leave him alone. certainly not saying the same about president biden, nor will congressman james comer, the new oversight chair be backing off his investigation of the vice president. comer saying today, quote, former vice president pence's transparency stands in contrast to president biden's staff. this is the same congressman comer who you'll recall just last week that said investigating the former

president, quote, would not be a priority for his committee. and for a number of republicans, the news today helps blur what are real distinctions between the former president's case and apparently the other two. an opportunity to blame the system instead as a member of the house intelligence committee appeared to do today. >> clearly, the process is broken. we've got to take a hard look at gsa and how they and the intelligence community pack these documents, get them to wherever the president, vice president is going. >> that certainly may be true. it may also be true that overclassification is a problem, as many on this program across the political spectrum have said also. clearly, the whole subject is messy, which is not to say it's all the same mess, or that some messes aren't worse than others. joining us jamie gangel and the latest story she just broke. do we know how the documents got into mike pence's home and if they were secured in anything resembling a secure location? >> it appears the classified

documents, anderson, had been at the vice president's residence and were inadvertently packed up along with personal items in the final days of the trump/pence administration. in case you're wondering, a hat was also found in one of the boxes. the hat was unclassified. we're told the boxes were first moved to a temporary house the pences were renting in virginia, and then moved again to their new home in indiana. you do have to wonder, anderson, how does this happen? they were marked. there were clear rules about how you treat classified records. you know, i don't believe there are any guidelines on the hat, but to your point, it's not just that the system was broken. there was human error here the people who packed these boxes up. >> i want to play something that the former vice president said earlier this month after classified materials were found in an office used by president biden. >> our staff reviewed all of the

materials in our office and in our residence to ensure that there were no classified materials that left the white house or remained in our possession. and i remain confident that was done in a thorough and careful way. >> so if what he said there was true and his staff searched his office and residence after biden's story broke, how did they miss these documents? >> they didn't search very well. look, these boxes were taped up, according to the pence team. so either they missed the boxes completely or they opened them, didn't see them, and taped them back up. again, these were not in a secure location. the only thing that we can say is when they discovered the classified documents, they did put them in a safe in the pence home until the fbi came to pick them up. >> and could the discovery of the documents in pence's home

have any impact on the investigations into president biden and the former president? >> so apart from the investigations, i think there is no question for biden, this is a political gift. it turns out apparently he is not alone in perhaps inadvertently taking classified documents. it appears he is also not alone in needing to do multiple searches. for trump, as you said earlier, it's a very different case. he clearly wanted to keep those things as souvenirs or for whatever and fought giving them back. but it may help him legally. so, you know, the issue of intent, which we've looked at with trump, it just may be that merrick garland decides that there are so many of these cases that the justice department may decide not to bring charges. >> so is the third high profile case of mishandled documents, is there a sign of a more systemic issue with how material is maintained under the presidential records act?

>> so it's the third that we know of. wait until tomorrow. 48 hours ago we didn't know about mike pence. let's see if anyone else can find anything. for the records, cnn heard from representatives of former presidents bill clinton, george bush, barack obama. all said they had turned over all the documents to the national archives. but, look, big picture, this does speak to both human error and perhaps a problem with the system maybe overclassification, documents management, recordkeeping. i would not be surprised if in the coming days the archives reaches back out to everyone, former presidents, vice presidents, and says please look one more time. >> jamie gangel, i appreciate it. >> sure. >> let's get perspective now from shr law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. how worried should the american public be for the safety and cu these classified documents in private homes of politicians?

>> well, i think everyone should be concerned. these are serious violations of pretty clear rules. now how concern you'd should be comes down to the damage assessment that is always done by the fbi and the department of justice and other intelligence community partners after documents like this are recovered. they take a look at those things to see if sources and methods have been compromised. oftentimes the answer to that is no. and if that's the case, then it's not quite as serious as it could be. but these are clear violations. >> according to a report from the dni, the director of national intelligence, back in 2017, potentially more than a million people have access to top secret information. many more have access to lower levels of classification. i mean, who is policing those people in realtime to be sure they don't take things home with them? and also, should there be a million people who have top secret access? >> well, you know, along part of the problem of overclassification is probably too many people have those sorts

of clearances. but there is something that i think we have to point out here, anderson. it is the overwhelming majority of people who have clearances don't run into these sorts of problems because they can only look at and work with classified materials at work in their work space, in places that are authorized to store those sorts of documents. when you're a low level person in the intelligence community, you don't ever take anything home. and if you need to look at something in the middle of the night or on the weekends, you get in your car and drive back into the office. it is not the same for principles of organization, presidents, the vice presidents, heads of executive agencies. these people have a need to be able to have access to classified material, to read classified material, to be briefed on classified material literally 24 hours a day. there are constantly people following them around, handing them pieces of classified, whether that's at home or when traveling, traveling overseas. and when you that much material that you're processing, it's almost -- well, i'll say it's

foreseeable that sometimes things get put down in the wrong pile. they get commingled with nonclassified stuff. and human beings maker roars. and that's how we get to a situation that we seem to be in. >> andrew mccabe, appreciate it. thanks. coming up next, to the white house and cnn's phil mattingly who has new reaction to what's happening there. >> it's been interesting. there has been public silence today that is notable and intentional. aides under strict instructions not to say anything about the pence development, not to be seen as celebrating or welcoming the development in any way. but behind the scenes, officials making clear that they believe there are very clear parallels here, and parallels as one official told me that are very helpful in the sense of demonstrating that perhaps this is a more common issue than the biden case in isolation demonstrated there is also parallels in the sense of separating it even more definitively from what the former president, donald trump, has been going through. both pence and biden immediately reporting these issues to

authorities. neither pence nor mbiden intending to take the documents home and making clear they weren't aware they were there in the first place. while they're not going to talk about this publicly, you're not going to hear the president weigh in on the pence issue at all, they believe as this continues to move forward, it will have clear benefits and underscoring this is not just an issue for president biden, this is an issue that's perhaps a little bit more widespread. >> have officials given you any sense of what happens next? >> i think the big question right now going forward is the white house is clearly not going to change the strategy that they've been following. but i do think that they're very cognizant about both the political and legal dynamics at this point in time. politically, white house officials keeping a very close eye on very republicans who had been attacking president biden for this, trying to see how they responded to the pence developments. obviously, there is an idea right now that being able to hold pence and biden kind of separate from former donald trump is effective and helpful as well. but on the legal side of things, i think jamie made some interesting points. there are real questions about what happens next. clearly there is a special

counsel investigating president biden. that is not going to change. but what does the justice department do with the pence issue that they're now reviewing. is there any precedent here? what happens next are open questions. one thing we know for sure, the white house isn't changing its strategy, nor legal nor their public strategy, not really weighing in on this, not talking about this, focusing instead on the president's agenda. in fact, behind closed doors, president biden met with democratic leaders. their discussion was about the agenda, the president's economic speeches he is planning on giving in the weeks ahead. one source told me there is no discussion at all about classified documents at all inside that meeting inside the white house. >> phil mattingly, thank you. with me cnn's newest political commentator, jones. also alyssa farah griffin who served as white house director of communications in the previous administration. congressman, it's great to have you here. >> good to be here. >> so does the mike pence revelation, does it -- does it help the biden white house? >> i think it does. i do think that there are clear

distinctions now if you group pence and biden in one category and the former president donald trump, who did not honor a lawfully issued subpoena and as a result had to have those things taken back by the fbi and returned to the national archives. i think as a political matter, it is a gift to the president that the same situation happened. but just taking a step back, it is always problematic when classified materials do not remain in classified settings. so i think you'll see congress take a look at what can be done to make sure this doesn't happen or at least is less likely to happen moving forward. when i was a member of congress, we went into a scif, a secure facility. very aggressively we were asked to deposit our cell phones and any other things. it was ensured that we did not leave that facility with any classified material. so it is difficult to see how this has happened so often,

except that they are the principles, and when you're the former vice president, you kind of walk around with this stuff. >> alyssa, you worked with former vice president. are you surprised that it happened to him? >> i was surprised. first and foremost, i think mike pence is a man of integrity, and he is a very responsible and serious person. in the trump white house, he was somebody who i trusted to do thing by the book more than anyone else on that campus. and frankly, it kind of makes biden's case for him, is that accidents happen. the thing that stood out to me knowing mike pence, just to give an example, when i worked for him, he would often have us do briefings in the situation room out an abundance of caution in case we discuss something that was classified even if that wasn't the intents because he took classification so seriously. this was a mistake, most likely a staff error. but keep in mind the typing of this. this is, you know, kind of a hasty transition after january 6th. my guess is that he was not packing boxes getting ready for a transition in that period, and

staff were rushed to do it last minute, and that's how it was able to happen. >> it does, congressman, there is certainly a lot of selective outrage on both sides. the politics obviously plays a role in how both sides react to this. we see it on the republicans and democrats. >> i think in this context we have not seen selective outrage on the democratic side. i thought it was remarkable that senator blumenthal, senator manchin and senator durbin were quite -- they were not generous in their characterizations of president biden's mishandling. and of course it could have been a staff error. so even saying that president biden himself mishandled these materials i think is premature until such time as a determination is made by the justice department. but we do know that donald trump refused request after request to the point where a subpoena had to be issued, and the fbi had to go into mar-a-lago and take those documents back because he refused. he insisted on keeping those documents. >> alyssa, do you think this -- the discovery of the pence

documents, that it influences the case against the investigation of the former president's documents? >> well, it's obviously very difficult. i think the biden and the pence case are probably more similar in the sense that they're both fully cooperating at what we know at this time. the former president, it's a different ballpark. i mean, he was obstructing. was trying to get these documents for months and months. and i hope the justice department looks at them based on just the facts that they play out. one thing i want to note, to andy mccabe's point, this may be a bigger problem than we think that it is. it's not just presidents and vice presidents who always have classified documents with them. the secretaries of defense, the former secretary of states, national secure security advisers. the university of people who have the ability to leave the complex with the document is quite large. and clearly, there is no policy for policing the chain of custody which you do expose grave national security risks. >> alyssa farah griffin, thank

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those who were killed at a lunar new year celebration at a ballroom outside los angeles. valentino alvero was a hospitality worker and had plans to retire soon and return to his native philippines. his son says he was always upbeat. he would dance and sing around the house. he was always the life of the party, his family says. valentino alvero was 68. my nhan was known to her friends and family as mymy nhan. she loved the dance studio, and this was her first time back since her mom's death. one member of her family told us she always had a smile pour people, hoping to ribrighten up their day. her kindness she said what is needed in this world. my nhan was 65. and a place he loved to go and loved to dance. the local entertainment community we're told he was a cultural force who will be missed. ming ma was 72.

the latest on both from natasha chen. >> all of the evidence we have points to this being the instance of workplace violence. >> reporter: another california community rocked by a mass shooting. monday, a gunman attacked two locations in half moon bay, south of san francisco. police say he first attacked a mushroom farm where the suspect was employed. >> the only known connection between the victims and the suspect is that they may have been coworkers. >> reporter: before then targeting workers at a second location. at least seven adults were killed and one injured. >> hands up! >> reporter: two hours later, this video shows the moment when the 66-year-old suspect was arrested by police in the parking lot of a substation. inside the car, authorities found a legally on the other hand semiautomatic handgun they said was used in the shooting. all of this less than 48 hours after another gunman killed at least 11 people about 400 miles to the south in a dance studio

in monterey park, california. >> i needed to save myself and the people inside. >> reporter: brandon tsay confronted that gunman about 20 minutes after the initial shooting saturday night when the 72-year-old shooter entered a second dance studio in nearby alhambra. >> something happened, you know. something came over me. i just had this rush of thought and adrenaline. >> reporter: tsay wrestled the gun away. the suspect died the next day of a self-inflicted gunshot wound as police surrounded him in torrance about 30 miles away. a former friend who knew him for about 20 years tells cnn the man liked to dance, but was distrustful, didn't have friends, and, quote, hated to the bone those he thought wronged him, including some of the staff at the two dance studios. an instructor at the second dance hall said the shooter was, quote, very bad tempered. >> overall, the guy had just a very bad temperament, little sparks of craziness, and then back to normal, i guess. >> these victims who have suffered such terrible loss. >> reporter: the community is grieving and baffled.

mai wa wong told me she couldn't believe such violence broke up a party that was meant to be celebrating. >> translator: i was shocked. i looked at the news media right away, and suddenly i felt like my heart was so tight. how could something like this happen. so horrifying. >> i hate to say this, but i'm really happy that it wasn't a racial asian hate. that is for me a relief. >> reporter: yet he and others tell me how can there be any relief when so many are dead. they say something must change. the same thing many communities in america say each time tragedy strikes. >> it shouldn't have to be every week. you have a right to bear arms, but, you know, this is 2023. how much more can we bear arms? we shouldn't have to live in fear. >> natasha chen joins us now. you're from san mateo county where one of the shootings

happened. how are the tragedies affecting the asian american communities across california? >> well, anderson, both in san mateo county where i'm from and here where i'm standing in l.a. county, there are large asian american populations, strong cultural communities, people who loved to share their culture and connect with each other. and they're doing that right now in mourning at a vigil you're likely seeing images that of at monterey park satisfy city hall just a few blocks from where i'm standing. now you heard that man in my piece say there is some form of relief because this wasn't an anti-asian hate incident here. but there is also a complex feeling given that these two suspects seem to be men of asian descent, in their 60s and 70s. there is a sense of pain and bewilderment at what happened here, why did they do this, why did they attack members of their own community. and i don't just mean racial and community. i also mean in the case here in

monterey park, his own dance community, his fellow dancers, a place where he met his ex-wife. in the case of half moon bay, his own coworkers. so the community just left with a lot of questions, anderson. >> natasha chen, i appreciate it. thank you. still ahead, a potentially big development in the war in ukraine. sources telling cnn an announcement that might break the deadlock between germany and the u.s. over supplying tanks to ukraine could be imminent. john kirby from the national security council joins us next.

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sources tell cnn the biden administration now be ready to ship m1 abrams tanks to ukraine as soon as this week. that would end a major standoff with germany which has refused to ship its leopard 2 tanks without a similar buy-in by the u.s. germany's chancellor has now decided to send its tanks. if a deal has indeed been reached, it would come ahead of a major this spring. >> admiral kirby, i appreciate you joining us tonight. we know there has not yet been an announcement on the united

states sending abrams tanks to ukraine. can you just talk, though, a little bit about what the debate has been internally about sending the abrams? there has been a lot of reporting about concerns that they're not -- they're too complex. the training is too long. the type of fuel they need, the spare parts are unique. is it that, or is it concern that russia would see it as an escalation? >> i think with any system, particularly an advanced system that we are providing ukraine throughout the last 11 months, we have always gone through a conversation about does it meet the needs that ukraine has on the battlefield now and in the future? and if the answer is yes, then is it appropriate that it comes from the united states or should it come from another country? and then what kind of training, what kind of support, what kind of maintenance. how do we make it operable for the ukrainians in an efficient, effective way. so everything from the patriots to the nasams to the himars.

we have that discussion with everything and tanks are no different. we have talked about the fact that the abrams are an incredibly capable system, but it's a very spiff system to operate and to maintain. it has a jet engine. that doesn't mean that the ukrainians can't learn it. it just means that we have to factor all that stuff in with any system that we're going to potentially provide to them. >> you may not want to go into this level of detail, but given the complexity of the abrams systems, does that limit its potential use in ukraine as a theater of war? in terms of supply lines, getting spare parts to it, does it have to stay closer to kyiv? is it limited in how it could be used? >> again, without getting ahead of any decision that hasn't been spoken to yet, i would just tell you that, again, with any advanced system, you have to factor in things like supply chain and maintenance time. and how often can you keep them operational, and how do you use them effectively. and should there -- whatever

tanks that get provided to ukraine, certainly that will have to be factored in. whether it's an american tank or anybody else's tank, there is talk about -- the brits are going to contribute these challenger tanks. there is talk about perhaps other nations may provide leopard tanks, the german-made tanks. all of them require unique maintenance and operational skills that the ukrainians would have to become adept at. and yes, that absolutely affects how much do you give, how fast do you give, and how and on what time frame the troops are trained on them and used in the actual battle. >> as you know, some ukrainian military leaders have talked about a new massive russian offensive perhaps coming just in months, potentially as soon as the end of january. do you believe ukraine will have the weaponry it needs to repel a major attack? >> we're going to make sure ukraine can defend itself today, tomorrow and every other day. we obviously recognize that mr. putin could be using the winter to regroup, rearm, reequip, and

find manpower for his forces for when the weather gets better. the fighting is still ongoing. it hasn't stopped, but we certainly expect as spring comes, you can see the russians want to go on the move again. they have not surrendered their larger strategic goals inside ukraine. so we got to make sure that we are using the time effectively in front of us to make sure that ukraine can be ready for that, as well as quite frankly, anderson, making sure that they are also ready and able to go on the move when the weather improves. >> russian officials have already begun framing any delivery of tanks as an escalation of war. is it an escalation? is it a line which early on the u.s. did not think that they would cross? >> well, we have been providing armored vehicles to them, no, not tanks, but we've been providing armored vehicles. they have every right to defend their territory and to try to take back territory that the russians have taken from them. and armored capabilities like

tanks can be help informal that regard. but look, let's make no mistake. the only party that's escalated the war is russia. they started it and they have been escalating it ever since. i mean, we don't talk about it as much in the last few days, but they're still using cruise missiles and drones to hit civilian targets and infrastructure, knock out the lights and the water while the ukrainians are suffering through a brutal winter. so it is russia that is the aggressor here. it is russia that has escalated. >> before i let you go, i would be remiss if i didn't ask about the cnn reporting. the classified documents found in the indiana home of former vice president mike pence. do you think the process for classification and retention of documents needs to be reviewed? you've been in government a long time. you know how this works. clearly people at the highest levels of government in both parties have not been sticking to the proper procedures. does the procedures, the system need to be reworked? >> well, without speaking to specific cases, there are rigorous procedures for handling classified information and classified documents that everybody in government is

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another day, another batch of claims by new york congressman george santos that are raising questions. a recent interview surfaced, a brazilian podcast taped in november soon after he was elected to congress. santos, speaking portuguese, said he was mugged in manhattan two summers ago by two white men in broad daylight on fifth avenue, and they even stole his use. >> translator: they robbed me, took my bag, shoes and watch. >> a police department source in

new york, the nypd tells cnn there is no record of santos reporting the alleged crime to police. he also claimed on the podcast someone once tried to assassinate him. >> translator: we have suffered life assassination attempt threatening letter, having to have security guards and police escorts standing in front of our house. >> santos was a no-show at a white house reception today for new members of congress, though he was invited, but he was on capitol hill. cnn congressional correspondent jessica dean is there. has there been any response from santos about those claims that he made on that podcast? and is there any sense whether any change in republican leadership's patience with him? >> well, we've certainly asked him a lot of questions, anderson, but he hasn't answered any of them. he did not want the talk about any of this today there was another part in the podcast where he said he would donate his salary to charity. he would not respond to any questions about that either. he did come in and out of his office. but again, not really responsive to any of the questions that we wanted to ask him. we did hear from house speaker

kevin mccarthy just a little bit ago. he had a press conference, and he was asked about santos if he was just keeping him on because he is worried about kind of the political reality, that if they have to have a special election in that district, that democrats could win that seat and make his small margin even smaller. and he really doubled down, tripled down, quadrupled down, whatever you want to call it at this point on santos, saying it's not his job to remove him because the people of new york in his district elected him, that he is going to go to the ethics committee, and if they find he has broken a law, they will remove him that has been mccarthy's stance on this, and it continues to be. and they have all indications they're going to keep the course on that. >> i understand some senate republicans are weighing in on santos. >> right. we had a chance to ask senator john kennedy from louisiana, who is known for his colorful language and replies about george santos and what he thought, if he should be kept in congress, if he should be kicked out. he does believe he should be kicked out. but i'll let you listen to what he had to say about george santos.

>> he appears to be a bunny. he like every other american is entitled to due process. but if the allegations prove to be true, i would boot him. he's nutty as a fruitcake. i called him a bunny -- i don't know if you have seen "fatal attraction," but there are people like that out there. again, nobody is above the law. >> did he say bunny boiler? >> bunny boiler, yes. it's the louisiana accent there. a bunny boiler like the movie "fatal attraction" was his comparison there. >> got it. okay. >> for the record, santos did tweet those comments and said that he was saddened by them and called the language divisive. but interesting to hear from a gop senator that he would have santos removed. i mean, that's kind of the take

away, and bunny boiler. >> santos briefly emerged from his office earlier today to put up a black p.o.w. flag outside his office. what was that about? >> i really don't know. none of us really know. it's a great question. a lot of lawmakers have flags outside of their offices. that is not uncommon. some have the p.o.w. flag outside their office. you see the flags down the corridors. why he chose today and why he chose that flag and that moment to come out with it, he only knows. >> also, he has a staff -- or actually, does he have a staff? are there people that actually want to work for him? >> no, he does have staff. he does have staff that escorts him to votes and with is with him, will go in and out of his office that we see daily. yes, there are people working for him. >> jessica dean, thank you. appreciate it. perspective from dana bash, co-anchor of cnn's "state of the union." have you seen anything like this, dana? >> no. and i feel like i should start by saying i will not be ignored,

dan. that's a quote from "fatal attraction." the answer is no, i have not seen anything like this. and you just were asking jessica if he has staff. he does. and there are people who are working for him. but they're saying, really more that they're working for the people of the third district of new york at this point, because it is -- it's sort of a new form of political torture for them to be in this office. as much as we are surprised by all these revelations, they are too. the people who work for him, they don't even -- they're afraid to open their phone in the morning because they don't know the next thing that is going to be on there, like what you just played from the podcast that came out of brazil with this claim that is not substantiated about him getting attacked in the streets of new york city.

>> speaker mccarthy is doubling down on the argument that santos' constituents voted him in. but they didn't have an honest knowledge of who we he was hen they voted for him. >> not at all. i mean, they did not vote him in. they voted in a republican, let's be honest, because although there wasn't a republican wave across the country, as the gop expected, there was one in the state of new york. a lot of democratic seats, formerly democratic seats did flip. this was one of them. it was an open seat. it did go to the gop. and that is a big reason why he is in office there is a lot of frustration among democrats as you can imagine in new york that this was not fully vetted and fully made public before the election. but that's just the reality. the other thing that was really interesting, anderson, that jessica was reporting is that mccarthy admitted that if ant

toes santos resigns, because it is a special election, it is very unclear if the republicans can keep it. probably more likely that the democrats would pick up that seat. and that's just the bottom line here. we have to say this over and over again. because there is a four-seat majority that kevin mccarthy has, he cannot afford to lose any votes. you just saw a florida republican get into an accident. he is not going to be there for votes probably for the next few weeks. so it's down to three. this is the kind of narrow margin that mccarthy is dealing with. >> dana bash, thank you. appreciate it. coming up, a chocolatey delicious controversy, or maybe a pr stunt. harry enten has the munchies, next. and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes morore restful sleep per night. proven quauality sleep. only from sleep number. hi, susan. honey.

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i guess to some is a big deal. certainly to some folks on fox it was. they spoke out about it. i should point out there were others less playingly motivated who liked the original green and brown m&m lock. in september m&m introduced a purple female character, pictured with green and brown on the front of a pack honoring international women's day. cue another round of outrage. now that indefinite pause. i should point out that m&ms has a super bowl commercial coming up and there is speculation maybe these changes may be part of an attempt to gin up publicity because now people i am talking about it. i am joined by harry, who has been studying this. so what is going on? >> well, i got to tell you -- >> is that a real laugh? >> that a real laugh. a laugh when you know i'm actually laughing. >> why does anyone care? people have a lot of time on their hands. >> a lot of people have a lot of time on their hands.

i oftentimes look for signs that perhaps america decay of society, this has become a story is a sign of that. you know, if you know candies and i know candies. >> i love m&ms. >> you love m&ms. everybody loves m&ms. it's the number one candy in america. >> with peanuts. >> that's number four. so the originals are number one. >> really? >> the one with peanuts is number four. when you get, you know, two types of numbers in the top four of america's top candy e that's why we're talking about it, why fox talking about it. it's something everybody loves. >> in potty training i would give my son half m&ms for pooping right. >> i have half an m&m when i'm rewarding myself for paying attention for doing my work instead of doing youtube videos. >> it balances out. i am going to give you a half an m&m. >> there you go. >> so is this all part of a strategy? >> you hinted at it, that m&ms, mars has a super bowl ad that's

coming up. they have had a number of super bowl ads over the last decade or so. what we know according to google search, searches for m&ms jumped 50% in tfebruary in which they had an m&m ad for the super bowl. mars knows exactly what they are doing in my mind. this is part, in my mind, of a larger strategy that they are playing. they have played it before. they have been able to gin up interest. i believe that's what they are doing here. >> it's a conspiracy. >> that's one of the few conspiracy theories i believe. >> i am all for maya rudolph. i love maya rudolph. she is not putting nay m&ms out of work. he should is adding -- brought into the team. >> she is being brought in. again, part of this that i think is so important, they brought maya rudolph on because she is so popular. >> 93% positive rating. >> among those with an opinion, she has a 93% positive rating. how can mars lose? you love her. >> i love her. >> everyone.

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