>> this just into cnn, at this very hour, new disturbing details on the death of tyree nichols, three days after a memphis traffic stop. lawyers for the nichols family tells cnn that preliminary results for an independent autopsy show the 29-year-old died in, quote, extensive bleeding caused by a severe

routine between. -- consistent with what they saw on the video of his encounter with police. tyre nichols beaten for three minutes -- just think about that. a boxing round, three minutes. three minutes this man was allegedly beaten by five officers. five black officers were fired, even before the video of that the rest had even been publicly released. two members of the memphis fire department have also been fired in the wake of tyre nichols's death. i want to bring in steve mulroy, the district attorney dealing down there with -- steve, it's good to see you this evening. there are a lot of questions being asked about what happened to tyre nichols and when the public might be able to see this video for themselves. and the idea when it will be released? and one of the considerations to do so?

>> right. thank you for having me, laura coates. a lot of the peoples questions about what exactly happened will, of course, to be answered once people see the video. we expect that to happen this week or next week. we want to make sure that we -- enough alone in our investigations that the investigation is not compromised by premature release of the video. and just to be very concrete about that, if a case like this or really any case, laura -- if you are going to interview a suspect, you don't want the suspect to be able to see the video and then tailor their statements to law enforcement based on what they have seen. because now they know what you have got. and even non-suspect witnesses, there's a risk that -- rather than telling law enforcement what they saw with their own eyes, they may have their memory colored by what they saw on the video. so in, cases like this, you generally want to get a key witness interviews completed and we are doing this as fast as we could and then, i think, the video will be released. >> so, has this video been seen

individually by any of these five officers who were fired? the two firemen as well? or either their counsel or the police union? >> not to my knowledge. but we do know that the family of tyre nichols and their counsel was shown the video. >> will there be the full video provided once the concerns you have raised have been resolved, in terms of -- and i understand completely the idea of not wanting to fatally compromise the investigation and to provide at least the avenue for justice. is the intention to show the full footage? and is it coming from body cam footage? is it coming from a police vehicle? where is the footage coming from. >> it is already clear that there is some body cam footage. they were on duty officers. i believe that the city will show enough footage so that people will see the entirety of

the incident from the very beginning to the very end. >> what does it tell you -- and what should it tell the public, frankly -- that you have got officers fired before it's even been released? before there's even been an assessment of charges to be made? and i know that i believe men fisted change its policy with regard to issues surrounding the use of force, the duty to render aid, the duty to intervene, adopted less than a month after george floyd's death. does this somehow telling about the failure to do all of these things, by each of these officers? >> the fact that they were terminated means that the city made an administrative decision that the officers did not follow protocol, it did not follow the guidelines. and it was a serious breach of those guidelines. we have a relatively new police chief who has only been in office for about a year and a half. there were some changes made in response to the george floyd

incident. but laura, it takes a while to change a culture. and you cannot just turn that on a dime. and so it may be that there is more to be done. and i am hopeful that what silver lining there could be out of a tragic incident, is, it might open up a broader dialogue about police reforms. >> you know, one of the dialogues it is really opening even more is the idea that, oftentimes, when we are talking about excessive force cases and the killing of an unarmed black man, or black or brown person, it is a conversation around race and the racial dynamic, and white officers who are alleged to have behaved in this way, to create those conversations -- here we have got five black officers. i have often said in my prosecution experience in the past, the color blue can trump every other color. what does the community in memphis and shelby county more broadly saying about the fact that the race of these officers

is the same as the race of the victim, tyre nichols? is this a conversation that is stunning the people? or is it par for the course, knowing that blue can trump black? >> certainly, i think people who are discussing this case in memphis and shelby county have taken note that the race of the officers involved in the race of mr. nichols is the same. i think it might lead some to say, as i think the lawyer for tyre nichols's family has said, is that a really relevant consideration is the race of this isn't, as opposed to the race of the police officers. >> do you expect charges in this case? >> that is what i am going to be deciding with my office based on the facts and the circumstances. i cannot really say right now. i think it would be profit improper for me to say what i'm going to do or when we are going to do it. but i will tell you that we are expediting considerations and

expediting the investigation as much as possible. and it is possible that we may be able to make a determination around the same timeframe in which we -- released a video. >> as the department of justice or the fbi become involved? i know there are cases involved, oftentimes, where civil rights division is looking into whether the civil rights of the individual victim have been violated. we saw that in the case of, in my own home state of minnesota, officers charged in the killing of george floyd, also being brought up on civil rights violations. has that coordination begun? >> yes. yes, laura coates, it has. the department of justice has already announced that they are getting involved. the fbi is cooperating in the investigation with the tennessee bureau of investigation, who i called in so that it would be a truly independent investigation. i am in regular contact with the u.s. attorney here in memphis. and we are collaborating on this. i myself used to be a u.s. department of justice civil rights lawyer before i was a federal prosecutor.

and so i know that the federal investigation will often take longer than the state part of the investigation. so, i suspect that our office will render a decision will be for the federal authorities make their decisions. >> often consider the backstop and looking to see -- continuously proactive. when we met, steve, i knew we would meet again one day. but i could not have imagined it would be under these circumstances. thank you for joining me. >> thank you, laura. >> i want to bring in cnn legal analyst elliott williams and former fbi assistant director for intelligence joshua school. it's a very different case to think about, this idea of the allegations of a person being beaten for three minutes, -- track stop traffic stop -- reportedly reckless driving. we learn from the family that they are watching the video, his last words were color to his mother. apparently he was 80 to 100 yards away from his home. when we hear about this and

what's happening right now i wonder, i will begin with you, joshua, on this. do you expect to see charging discussions, given that the firings were almost immediate? >> i do expect to see charges come pretty quickly on the state side, as the district attorney has said. the two parallel investigations going on right now both in collaboration with the tennessee bureau of investigations which the district attorney called in to keep impartiality over this investigation and then a parallel civil rights investigation being conducted by the federal bureau of an investigation joining in with the u.s. attorney's office -- >> on that note, do you think that there will be federal charges here, elliott? and the idea -- we have all spoken about the derek chauvin trial and the way in which we all collectively all thought as a society, man, policing might be changed forever in the sense of, those who are watching something happen, a duty to render aid, and remember there was the powerful closing arguments, to talk about the duty of care owed -- you know, repeated, time and time again.

the fact that they were fired and violated policies for use of force, duty to render aid, and duty to intervene, what does that tell? you >> well, duty to render aid, and duty to intervene, those are buzzwords for federal civil rights charges. we saw those frankly in the civil rights derek chauvin case -- it was their failure to render aid that actually -- federal civil rights statute. now the family is asking for murder in the first degree, which would be unintentional, premeditated killing. that is going to be pretty hard to get, here i think. but there is any number of -- >> -- in an instant. >> sure, certainly. but that's the highest -- it's a capital charge in tennessee. that might be tough to establish. but if there is any number of secondary murder, manslaughter, assault charges and so. and most importantly, though, to step back -- it is important to wait until the video is out. we are evaluating a very painful, very gruesome, almost -- but not having seen it --

and we are just not certain. no. >> like i said, laura, the fact that the police has stepped in and has found that the fact conduct so far exceeded the standards of that department is telling, though none of us have actually seen it play out. >> a good point. -- we have not seen this video. and his point, you heard him, with the idea of not wanting to show it because did not want anyone's testimony to conform to that. and the idea of what this is -- like and a question for you is, you know, what happens if this video is different than is being discussed? if it is either -- i mean, i can't imagine, not as bad. but even more horrific? how does that shape the way that the culture of policing and the -- approach to this investigation might change? >> i don't know that it changes the course of the investigation. i think we can anticipate that the video is going to be very graphic. and clearly, the leadership of the memphis police department view viewed that very quickly

and the chief made a very prompt decision to remove those officers, which they have the power to do. that's the first course of action. the second was to contact a district attorney, bring in the tennessee bureau of investigation, and then the parallel civil rights investigation. i cannot see, right now, based on everything we have heard, it being a minimalist video. i think this is going to be very graphic. i think it is going to be disturbing. but i will say this -- dialogue with many in the major city chiefs -- the major city chief are trying to reform policing. they are trying hard. and some of this, as the district attorney said -- they have a new police chief there, been there about 18 months. this is going to be something that they are going to have to change culturally. and i know that the leadership in the law enforcement community is looking at this instance as horrifically as all the citizens in the united states. >> that's a great point you have raised. and just the idea -- we were talking about the culture of law enforcement --

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explains. >> we apologize to the fans. we apologize to ms. swift. we need to do better and we will do better. >> will an apology be enough to satisfy music fans looking for retribution and lawmakers looking for answers? >> you can't have too much consolidation. something that, unfortunately for this country, as an ode to taylor swift, i will say, we know all too well. >> ticketmaster's parent company, live nation entertainments president and cfo, -- grilled four hours by lawmakers, trying to determine if the company's influence over the concert in events industry is essentially a monopoly. it's one that critics say was created in 2010 when ticketmaster and live nation merged. >> we hear people say that ticketing markets are less competitive today than they were at the time of the live nation ticketmaster merger. that is simply not true. >> throughout the day, senators

on both sides of the aisle challenged that notion. i >> want to congratulate and thank you for an absolutely stunning achievement. you have brought together republicans and democrats in an absolutely unified cause. >> senator richard blumenthal, one of several senators who borrowed lyrics from swift to make a point. >> may i suggest, respectfully, that ticketmaster ought to look in the mirror and say, i am the problem. it is me. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> today's hearing is part of the fallout after the fiasco surrounding ticketmaster's handling of presale tickets to swift's upcoming tour. it was bungled so badly last november it left scores a frustrated fans, facebook technical issues such as cancel tickets, a crashing site, and an artist beside herself over what people endured to get your tickets. swift tweeted, it really cheeses me off that a lot of them feel like they went

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questioned how much one hearing is likely to change things, other say the swift movement has already had an impact. jason carroll, cnn, new york. >> up next, believe it or not, eminem he's at the center of a new battle in the culture wars. yes, -- we will explain what is going on next. -- congressman george santos and his lies. we will -- this impersonator on with -- >> -- my constituents. wait a minute

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latest thing that is now getting swept up in the culture wars? for all you chocolate fans out there, it's m&m's, -- replacing its spokes purple spokespeople candies -- maya rudolph. -- last year we have made some changes to our beloved spokescandies -- therefore, we have decided to take an indefinite pause from the spokescandies. the chief marketing officer for mars wrigley north america telling cnn that the -- maya rudolph has been in the works for a while. they also went on to say, quote, there are lots of stories out there. but let me say conclusively that this decision is not a reaction to two but is rather in support of our m&m's brand.

the original colorful cast of m&ms spokescandies are, and president, other pursuing other personal passions. -- actually what is going on right now. that's really what's happening. i want to bring in others to help with me here. and that is karen finney, and -- also lubbock founder richard lebeck is joining me. let me begin with you over there. because richard, you say this whole thing, the discussion about eminem m&m's and what they are wearing and the colors they're using and the idea that people or attacking these spokescandies as somehow a proxy for larger culture wars, is -- absurd. but the idea of fully -- spokescandies was actually the right move. do you agree? >> first of all, i want to thank you for having me on such an important topic today and we are not going to be talking about russian tanks, obviously. is it, we are going to be

talking about those poor candies. the shoes that they were wearing or no longer wearing -- i think you are asking the question, how has mars handled this? i mean, brilliantly. think about this for a moment. when is this happening? just weeks before the super bowl. and suddenly, it's the apple 1984 advertisement all over again. everyone is going to be watching what mars does with their advertisements. the other thing, i think, that mars really understands, really well themself, is that their brand is not chocolate. their brand is joy. and they responded to this sort of tongue-in-cheek, the dear john letter you referred to, some of the queue takeaway lines. they didn't go under them for their specific content on twitter -- they were not responsive. they did not dive in foolishly and try to make this a serious issue and instead they stuck with their brand. >> just on that point, and you are a brand expert as -- well i do wonder in terms of

how this is being talked about. is this something -- rallying around financially and sort of a strategic decision? >> no. in fact, what's really interesting here is that you are seeing as part of the culture war -- you see on the left, the virtue signaling. and on the right there is all this shaming going on. the attack -- it's the outrage machine. and mars is very smart not to get involved in the political issue. there is no winning there. and for the right wing, that is going after mars right now, the gop does not have a platform. and so what they do is, they keep feeding this outrage machine in the hope that people will get angry at companies. but it does not go anywhere. and if you look -- it's gas stoves now. it's burgers. it's nike. it has been apple, starbucks. but you don't see any negative

financial ramifications. so, i think that from every companies point of view, watching what mars does and how it lives its brand is really something that's critical to watch. and i think if you look at other companies, imagine elon musk trying to respond as jovially and successfully as mars has done here. >> for those of you are -- as well -- for those of you out there who are either googling about right m&m's there or you are salivating because there's chocolate on your screen and you are wondering why we are not talking more about the joy it brings, we bring karen finney in and ramesh here because simple changes were made. you are talking about the green m&ms go go boots. -- first of, all i get. it heals hurt the whole artist. then you have got the idea of a purple m&m in honor of international women's day. the fact that these sent shockwaves -- that these spokescandies are now being looked at is

problematic because of, well, the go go boots did not bring joy. -- but the fact that it happened, karen finney, what does that mean to you? that this is where we are? >> by the way, post pandemic, lots of women i know are not wearing heels anymore. they are wearing sneakers or tennis shoes. so, that is just real. that's in the culture. >> -- cover of vogue. >> -- absolutely. >> we are in converse also -- >> absolutely. but you've got to be scraping the bottom of the barrel to be going after candy for the average machine. that's really deep. purple happens to be my favorite color. so, i was very happy with the news of purple. but it is. it's really ridiculous and in some ways it shows how ridiculous this right-wing outrage machine actually can be. on the other hand, i agree with richard levick. as a branding person myself, it is brilliant. your brand is joy. stay focused on your brand and it is a brilliant campaign two weeks before the super bowl.

>> that's why he wore the purple tie, right ramesh ponnuru? in honor of this purple m&m? >> i confess, i don't have know anything about the purple m&m. i basically unfamiliar with this controversy. i'm glad to be. and i kind of actively resent being informed of its existence. i will just say -- >> [laughter] >> that -- they don't really like the idea of m&m's having feet at all, let alone really whatever they were wearing on their feet. but i have to assume that the people who are affecting outrage are also doing it as part of a brand strategy. and perhaps they are not actually consumed with rage and psychosocial anxiety about their candies.

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are claiming that hamlin was not actually at the game on sunday, and what we saw on video was a body double. -- this podcast called brands basement. >> there's people with really legitimate heavy followings who are saying that the fix is in and that was not damar -- his face was covered, he had sunglasses, he had a hat, you could not see him -- and there's this next level conspiracy theory that this is not actually damar hamlin, they are saying. >> one, that is damar's swag. he likes wearing that. number 2, he was in the locker room with us free game. so, yes that was damar. there is absolutely zero chance -- there's actually zero chance. he's damar hamlin. that's our guy. that's our brother. he was with us pregame, postgame. he was open this week with his family, his little brother. 100%. so, people need to stop this bleep.

>> karen finney and ramesh ponnuru are back. and cnn sports analyst christine brennan joins us as well. christine brennan, you and i -- talking about what was going on and watching everything unfold. the way the world stopped watching and watch what was happening on monday night football, just 3 weeks ago. it's shocking to think that that's where we are. but why are conspiracy theorists, do you think, trying to exploit this opportunity? what is? it >> i agree, it's horrifying. this young man almost died. and i think that the fact that he is in a football stadium -- he is alive, he is okay, or is getting better -- he is in a football stadium, cheering on his team in the middle of a snowstorm, by the way, that somehow this becomes fodder, laura, for these people? it is horrendous. it is awful. i kind of hate we are even talking about it. but of course we have to talk about it because it's an issue in our society. think of the things we could be doing, not talking about this, all these people who have to debunk these theories. it is atrocious. and to pry on this particular

man, arguably the biggest story of the year so far in terms of -- not politics -- but in terms of culture and our society, and 2 to turn this into someone's to get more followers, their lives are not, great they want to make people feel miserable. i don't know. shame, shame, shame on all of them. >> the brainpower being expanded to use and theorizes opposed to what to be towards solutions around preventing the number of things -- and also, you see here, cameron, there's a new conspiracy spreading on twitter, karen finney, you probably all seen as -- the hashtag is a died suddenly. that's the hashtag. which is talking about the tragic death we have seen -- the sudden tragic deaths -- and they are falsely claiming that covid vaccines are responsible. and it happened when lisa marie presley died. it happened when the sports journalist grant wahl -- who, ramesh ponnuru, i know you

knew personally as well -- why do you think this is happening? >> because in our culture we have not said, not just shame on, you but we are actually going to hold you accountable. the way, frankly, the parents of -- not parkland -- the sandy hook shooting held alex jones accountable, and said, you will not do this, you will not have people chasing me down on the street, screaming at me that my child did not die. right? we have to take that kind of principled stand to say, this is not acceptable. there are hundreds of thousands of americans who have died from covid because of conspiracy theories, because they were afraid of vaccines, because they would not wear a mask. and it is a tragedy. and i think we have to recognize that it is not just a phenomenon at social media -- this is disgusting and it is not going to stop if we don't stand up and say we are not going to tolerate this. and we are going to go after the people who are perpetrating these conspiracy theories. >> yeah, christine brennan, i

mean, grant wahl's, dr. the saline celine grounder -- >> got his remains back as quickly as they could. the whole thing is so heartbreaking -- from qatar. and she did not autopsy, because she's a doctor, an infectious disease specialist and one of the -- karen finney, to your point -- one of the great people in over -- they got the autopsy done as quickly as possible, so she could put out there how he died, that it had nothing to do with the vaccine, nothing to do with covid. and i am sure it infuriates you as, well knowing them so, well but thank goodness for her to have that knowledge to get that done as quickly as possible. >> and it's infuriating arsenal also because it's not just the bad actors who are perpetrating this. it's all of these gullible people, who are buying it and who start to say, well, there are a lot of people who die.

people dying. people die suddenly all the time. you are just noticing it now. where you are basically saying, is i sure have noticed a lot of people dying silently since i started noticing it. >> and there is a movie, by the -- way it's called died suddenly -- it's pushing the conspiracy theory. it's got millions and millions of views, the idea of people watching, viewing it, receiving information, and then believing that this is entitling people to then do what they are doing, and say what they say. it's an ongoing conversation. we will have to pay attention to it. up next, everyone -- impersonators on late night fun. they are poking fun at congressman george santos and his serial lying. >> since you brought up your family, you claimed your now deceased mother was in the world trade center on 9/11 and died from that. they looked into it. it turns out, her paperwork situ is in brazil at the time. >> that is a complete lie.

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jean-baptiste de bethesda. >> -- couple nights at madison square garden's. >> i did know you played msg. >> yes, i will be singing all my hit songs. piano man, hey dude, happy birthday. >> you are just name to the house committee on science, space and technology. does that make sense to you? >> yeah, yeah. because i was the first openly gay, jewish, republican latino to walk on the moon. to have a problem with that? >> that actor in the jimmy kimmel sketches nelson franklin. and guess what? he joins me now. it's good to see you. i have to say, people are always talking about who is going to play him in a movie. and your name came up time and time again. what is it like having the -- well, apparently the face of one controversial congressman these days? >> it's been a crazy thing, laura. thank you for having me, by the way. i got off twitter in early 2017,

just sort of during the early trump presidency, for my own mental health. and i sort of missed a lot of the viral tweet tweets that were -- my family forwarded me the highlights. it is weird. it is very weird. that's the only word i can describe it. >> i can imagine what that is like. and good for you for trying to get off. it is such a bad -- that's how twitter -- not escape, can't leave the family -- everyone. but i wanted to talk about your bit on jimmy kimmel. because frankly, there's a lot of source material to choose from. and to think about -- i wonder if that makes it easier for you to approach it and think about, look, i'm going to go way over the top -- i'm just going to play this straight. because there is enough there. >> yeah. look, i was pretty lucky landed with jimmy kimmel there, because they gave me such a wonderful script. it had a huge amount of things to do. i was walking around the hallways of congress and had so much business. and i love that.

because i'm too busy to think about how nervous i am to be on a late night show for the first time. but the source for this bit, we saw the crazy footage of him walking down hallways, evading reporters, and then doubling back and slipping -- it's like you said, you can't write this stuff. it's unbelievable. so, i was just sort of trying to duplicate the frantic -- it's like, this is what he would have said if he had opened his mouth and we have those times. >> by the way, i should tell you, he has tweeted about this. he has watched it all. and i'm going to read for you what he had to say. i have now been enshrined in late night tv history with all these impersonations. but they are all terrible so far. john levitz is supposed to be one of the greatest comedians of all-time and that was embarrassing for him, not me. these comedians need to step their game up. first of all, he did not talk about you in that tweet. that he wants you to step your game up. that is quite a challenge given what is ahead. and for a man who has been in veep, this feels a lot like a satire.

yet, it is real life. >> yeah. this is someone who is very troubling to the deep writing staff in the seasons. they would have to change their script halfway through the season, because the stuff that they -- getting out and by how crazy reality was. it's fine. i'm just disappointed he was not more excited. i'm just going to say, if i was george santos, if that's really his name, and i was in his shoes, and people were perry deon parodying me -- he's got to stick to his guns and everything is terrible because he otherwise would not be a gop candidate. i >> don't know that he's not delighted about. this -- stop. it was not a shut down. it was to step your game up. and by the -- way >> -- >> there is the scene that you played on jimmy kimmel as well. -- you step your game up. here he is. you or him -- >> you've been accused about

lying about a lot of things. >> just name ten. >> how about the pyramid scheme in florida you deny having any knowledge of? what do you say about -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa. pyramid scheme is an offensive term and my people actually built the pyramids when we were slaves. >> you also claim to be jewish but there seems to be no evidence that you are jewish. there seems to be no evidence at all. wait a minute. >> [laughter] that's funny! it's funny. >> that is funny. >> why are you groaning? >> -- i'm just looking at myself on tv. -- >> no, actually i like looking at myself on tv. -- but no, and all honesty, though, you should -- jimmy kimmel who, it's all

about you here in this moment. i'm -- are you planning on rising this particular role? because -- >> i would love to. i had such a wonderful time working with those guys. it was a really good time. i'm not sure if it's going to happen. but this guy can't stop cranking at the material. so, there might have to be a recurring bit they are. >> something tells me that there is still more to the story. i wonder -- there are a number of impersonators now either across the late night shows. i wonder if you are in touch now and trying to outdo one another? >> no, no i don't know jon love it's. i'm a big fan of john lovitz and of harvey guillen. and john lovitz -- these guys are legends and if i ever get to meet them i will consider myself lucky. >> well, i tell you, i don't think it's the end of the story or the end of the bit. in the words of tom, it's nice to meet you. i see you are very humble.

but watching -- walk through the halls and the wallet moment -- i mean, i could not help but laugh. thank you so much. >> thank you so much for having me. >> and everyone out there as well, thank you all for watching our. our coverage continues. we all need fiber for our digestive health, but less than 10% of us get enough each day. good thing metamucil gummies are an easy way to get prebiotic, plant-based fiber. with the same amou of fiber as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies the easy way to get your daily fiber.

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>> good evening, we begin tonight with more the news that cnn was the first to report -- former vice president pence. cnn's jamie gangel broke the story, and joins us in a moment. first, though, the irony of classified documents ending up where they did of all places. did you take any

i did not. >> do you have any reason to take classified documents run them from, the white house? >> well, there be no reason to have classified documents, particularly if they were in an unprotected area. >> so, that was the former vice president in november talking about the former president, saying there's no reason for anyone to take classified optimism after leaving office. here is three days after leaving the first batch of biden documents was reported, suggesting he knew how to handle such things. and then vice president biden did not. >> the handling of classified materials in the nations secret is a various secret matter. as a former vice president of the united states, i can confirm from personal experience about the intention that ought to be paid to those materials when you're in office, and after you leave office. clearly, that did not take place in this case. >> newer apparently in his, that said that the justice with the department of justice documents, there is no evidence