i did not. >> do you have any reason to take classified documents run them from, the white house? >> well, there be no reason to have classified documents, particularly if they were in an unprotected area. >> so, that was the former vice president in november talking about the former president, saying there's no reason for anyone to take classified optimism after leaving office. here is three days after leaving the first batch of biden documents was reported, suggesting he knew how to handle such things. and then vice president biden did not. >> the handling of classified materials in the nations secret is a various secret matter. as a former vice president of the united states, i can confirm from personal experience about the intention that ought to be paid to those materials when you're in office, and after you leave office. clearly, that did not take place in this case. >> newer apparently in his, that said that the justice with the department of justice documents, there is no evidence

of everything nefarious, as willfully taking them are obstructing their efforts to restrict -- that of course is in stark contrast with the mar-a-lago documents, former president posting this on his social media site today. mike pence is an innocent man, did not do anything knowingly dishonest in his life, leave him alone. he certainly not saying the same about president biden, newer will james calmer, the new oversight chairman backing off of his investigation with the president. saying today, former vice president pence's transparency stands in contrast to white house staff who continue to withhold information from congress and the american people. this is the same comer in that last week said that investigating the president would the -- would not be a priority for his committee. the news today helped blur with the real distinctions are between former presidents case

and apparently the other two. an opportunity to blame the system, but instead as a member of the house intelligence committee appeared to do today. >> clearly, the process is broken. we have to take a hard look at gsa, how they in the intelligence committee pack these documents, get them to wherever the vice president or president is going. >> that certainly might be true, but it also might be true that overclassification is a problem, as many on this program across the political spectrum have said also. clearly, the whole subject is messy which is not just with all of the same mess, or that some messes are worse than others. joining us now is cnn special correspondent jamie gangel with the latest in the story that she just broke. do we know how documents got into pence's home, and if they were in a secure location? >> it appears that the classified documents, anderson, had been at the vice president's residence, and were inadvertently packed up, along with personal items in the final days of the trump pence administration. in case you are wondering, a

hat was also found in one of the boxes. the hat was unclassified. we are told that they were first move to a temporary house, in virginia, and then moved again to the home in indiana. you have to wonder, anderson, how does this happen? they were marked, clear rules about how huge tree classified records. i don't believe that there were any guidelines on the hat, but to your point, it's not just that the system is broken. there is human error here the with the people to pack these boxes up. >> i want to place you had something that the former vice president said earlier this month. >> our staff reviewed all of the materials in our office and in our residents to ensure that there were no classified materials to left the white house, or remained in our possession. i remain confident did that was done in a thorough and careful

way. >> if what he said there is true, and his staff searched his office and residence after biden's story broke, how did he miss these documents? >> they didn't search very well. look, these boxes were taped up, according to the pence team. so, either they missed the boxes completely, or they open them, did not see them, and take them back up. again, these were not in a secure location. the only thing that we can say is that when we discover the classified documents, they did put them in a safe in the pence home until they picked them up. >> good the discovery of the documents change the investigation into the former president? >> as for the investigation, no question for biden. this is a political gift. it turns out he is not alone in perhaps inadvertently taking classified documents. it appears that he is also not alone in needing to do multiple searches. for trump, as you said earlier,

it is a very different case. he clearly wanted to keep those things as souvenirs or for whatever and fought, but it might lead to help him legally. the issue of intent, which we have looked at with trump, it just might be that merrick garland decides that there are so many of these cases that the justice department may decide not to bring charges. >> and so it's the third profile case in these documents. is there a sign of more systemic issues with how material is maintained under the presidential records act? >> it's the third that we know of. wait until tomorrow, 48 hours ago we did not learn about mike pence so let's see if anybody else can find anything. for the record, cnn heard from

representatives of former president bill clinton, george bush, barack obama all saying that they had turned over all of the documents to the national archives. big picture, this does speak to both human error and perhaps a problem with the system as you said, maybe overclassification, documents management, record keeping. i wouldn't be surprised if in the coming days the archives reach back out to everybody that former presidents, vice presidents, and say that please look one more time. >> jamie, we appreciate it, thank you so much. let's get perspective now from cnet senior law enforcement analyst and fbi director andrew mccabe. so, how worried should the american public before the safety and security of this country, with these classified documents in private homes of politicians? >> i think that everybody should be concerned. these are serious violations of pretty clear rules. how concerned you should be comes down to the damage assessment, which is always done by the fbi and the

department of justice and other intelligence community partners after documents like this are recovered. they take a look at those things to see if those sources and methods are compromised, oftentimes the answer is no. if that's the case, it's not quite as serious as it could be. these are clear violations. >> according to report from the dni, director of national intelligence back in 2017, the potential for more than 1 million people have access to top secret information, with many more access to lower levels of classification. who is policing those people in realtime to be able to ensure that they will not take things home to them? should there be 1 million people with top secret access? >> a long part of the problem with overclassification is probably too many people have the sorts of clearances. there is something that we have to point out here, anderson. it's the overwhelming majority of people who have clearances do not run into these sorts of problems because they can only look at and work with

classified materials at work in their work space. places that are authorized to store the sorts of documents. when your low level person in the intelligence community, you don't take anything home. if you have to look at something in the middle of the night, you drive back into the office. it's not the same for principles of organizations. presidents, vice presidents, heads of executive agencies. these people have a need to be able to have access to classified material, to read classified material, to be briefed on classified material literally 24 hours today. there are constantly people following them around and handing them pieces of classified documents. whether that's at home, traveling, traveling overseas. when you have that much material that you are processing, i will say it is foreseeable that sometimes things get put down in the wrong pile and get comingled with non classified stuff. human beings make errors and that is how we get to the situation that we seem to be in.

>> andrew mccabe, thank you, we appreciate it. next, to the white house, phil mattingly has new reporting about the reaction there. what are you hearing from the sources? >> anderson, there has been public silence today that is notable and intentional. aides under instructions not to say anything about the development by pence. not to be seeing this development in any way. behind the scenes, officials making clear that they believe that they are making very clear parellels here, and parallels as one official that are quote, very helpful in the sense of demonstrating that perhaps this is a more common issue than the biden case in isolation demonstrated. there are also parallels in the sense separating even more definitively from what the former president donald trump has been going through, both pence and biden immediately reporting these issues to the words. neither of them have attempted to take these documents home. they've made clear that they were not there in the first place. the idea right now is that while they are not going to talk about this publicly, you're not going to hear the

president weigh in on the pence issue at all. they believe that as this continues to move forward, they will have clear benefits in underscoring that this is not just an issue for president biden, this is an issue that is perhaps a little bit more widespread. >> have officials given you a sense of what happens next? >> the big question going forward is the white house clearly not going to change the strategy that they've been following. i do think they're very cognizant of the political in legal ramifications. they have been attacking president biden for this, seeing how they have responded to pence's developments. obviously there's an idea right now that being able to hold pence and biden separate from former president donald trump is effective and helpful as well. on the legal side of things, i think jimmy made some interesting points. there are really good questions about what happened next. clearly, there is especially helpful investigating president biden. that will not change. what does the justice department do with the pence issue that they are now reviewing? is there a precedent here? open questions, one thing we

know for sure is that the white house has not changing its strategy, nor legal nor public strategy. they're not weighing in on this, focusing instead on the presidents agenda. in fact, anderson, behind closed doors today biden met with democratic leaders. their discussion was about the agenda. the economic speeches that he's planning on giving up ahead. there is no discussion at all about classified documents in that meeting inside of the white house. >> phil, we appreciate it, thank you. cnn's newest political commentator, mondare jones. also, cnn political commentator alyssa farah griffin who served at director of communications in the previous administration. governor, great to have you here. does the mike pence revelation help the biden white house? >> i think it does. there are clear distinctions now if you group pence and biden in one category. and the former president donald trump who did not honor a lawfully issued subpoena and as a result had to have those things taken back by the fbi and returned to the national

archives. i think as a political matter, it's a gift to the president did the same situation happened. just taking a step back, it's always problematic when classified materials do not remain in classified settings. i think you'll see congress taking a look at what can be done to make sure this doesn't happen or at least is less likely to happen moving forward. when i was a member of congress, we went to a skiff, a secure facility, very aggressively were asked to deposit our cell phones and any other things. it was ensured that we did not leave that facility with any classified materials and so it's difficult to see how this has happened so often except that they are the principles. when you're the former vice president, you kind of walk around with the stuff. >> alyssa, you worked with former vice president.

were you surprised that it happened to him? >> i was surprised. first and foremost, mike pence is a man of integrity and is a responsible and serious person. in the trump white house, he was somebody who i trust to do things by the book more than anyone else on that campus. frankly, it makes biden's case for him, which is that accidents happen. the thing that stood out to me knowing mike pence, just to give an example when i worked for him. he would often have us do briefings in the situation room out of an abundance of caution, in case that we discussed something that is classified, even if that was not the intent. he took classification so seriously. this indicates to me that this was a mistake and most likely a staff errror. keep in mind the timing of this. this is a hasty transition after january 6th. my guess is that he was not packing boxes, getting ready for a transition in that period. staff were rushed to do it last minute, and that's how it was able to happen. >> and congressman, a lot of selective outrage on both sides. politics obviously plays a role in how those two sides react to this.

we've seen it on republicans and democrats. >> in this context, we've not seen selective outrage on the democratic side. i thought it was remarkable that senator blumenthal, senator manchin, and senator durbin were quite not generous in their characterizations of president biden's mishandling. of course, it could've been a staff errror. even saying that president biden himself mishandled these materials, i think it's premature until such time a determination is made by the justice department. we do know that donald trump refused to request after request, to the point where a subpoena had to be issued. the fbi had to go into mar-a-lago and take those documents back, because he refused and insisted on keeping those documents. >> do you think that this discovery of the pence documents influences the case against the investigation of the former president's documents? >> it's obviously very different. the biden and pence case are probably more similar in the

sense that they are both fully cooperating in what we know at this time. the former president, it's a different ballpark. he was obstructing, he was trying to get these documents for months and months. i hope that the justice department looks at them based on the fact that they play out. one thing that i want to note, to andy mccabe's point, this might be a bigger problem than we think that it is. it's not just presidents and vice presidents who always have classified documents with them. the secretary of defense, the former secretaries of the states, national security advisers, the universe of people who have the ability to leave the complex with documents is actually quite large, and clearly, there is no processes for policing the chain of custody for these documents, which do expose grave national security risks. alyssa farah griffin, appreciated. mondare jones. >> glad to be here. >> coming up next, what we're learning and -- to mass shootings in california but the crimes, the response in that community in the country and some of the 18 people whose lives were taken. later, fact checking, yet more

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>> this new reporting tonight on the pair of mass shooting in northern southern california claimed 18 lives and saturday night. we now know more about some of those who were killed at a lunar new year celebration in a ballroom outside los angeles. valentino álvaro was a hospitality worker and had plans to retire soon, return to his native philippines. his son says he was always upbeat, danced, would sing around the house. he was always the life of the party, his family says. valentino álvaro was 68. mymy known to her friends and family as may. she was primary caregiver to her mom who died just a few weeks ago. she loved the dance studio and this was her first time back, her family says, since her mom 's death. one member of her family told us she always had a smile for people hoping to brighten up their day. her kindness, she said, is what is needed in this world.

ming nah was 65. and inning not was killed there as well. it was a place that he loved to go and loved to dance. we're told he was a cultural force who will be missed. he was 72. three of 11 people in monterey park, along with seven killed in half moon bay, outside san francisco. the latest now on both from cnn's natasha chen. >> all of the evidence we have points to this being the instance of workplace violence. >> another california community rocked by a mass shooting. monday, a gunman attacked two locations in half moon bay, south of san francisco. police say he first attacked a mushroom farm, where the suspect was employed. >> the only known connection between the victims and the suspect is that they may have been coworkers. before then targeting workers at a second location, at least seven adults were killed and one injured. two hours later, this video shows the shocking moment when the 66-year-old suspect was arrested by police in the parking lot of a substation.

inside the car, authorities found a legally owned a weapon, they said was used in the shooting. all of this less than 48 hours after another gunman killed at least 11 people about 400 miles to the south in a dance studio in monterey park, california. >>. >> tsay about 20 months after the initial shooting saturday night, when the 72-year-old shooter entered a second dance studio and nearby alhambra. >> something happened, it just came over me. i just had this rush of adrenaline. >> tsay wrestled the gun away. the suspect died the next day from a self inflicted gunshot wound, police rounded him in torrents, about 30 miles away. a friend who knew him for about 30 years tell cnn the man loved to dance, but was distrustful, didn't have friends, and quote, heated to the bone those he thought wronged him. including some of the staff of the to dance studios.

an instructor at the second dance hall said the shooter was, quote, very bad tempered. >> overall, the guy who just a very bad temperament. sparks the craziness and then back to normal, i guess. >> these victims, who have suffered such terrible loss -- >> the community is grieving and baffled. -- used to dance at star ballroom and told me she could not believe such violence broke up a lunar new year party, when this predominantly asian community was meant to be celebrating. >> translator: i was shocked. i looked at the news media right away and suddenly i felt like my heart was so tight. how could something like this happen, so horrifying? >> i hate to say this, but i'm really happy that it wasn't a racial, you know, asian hate. that, for me, is a relief. >> yet he and others tell me, how can there be any relief when so many are dead? they say something must change. the same thing many communities in america say each time tragedy strikes.

>> it should not have to be every week. you have a right to bear arms, but, you know, this is 2023. how much more can we bear arms? we shouldn't have to live in fear. >> and natasha chen joins us now. you are from san mateo county. where one of the shootings happened. how are the tragedies affecting these american communities across california? >> well, anderson, both in san mateo county, where i'm from and here where i'm standing in l. a. county, there are large asian american populations, strong cultural communities. people who love to share their culture and connect with each other, and they are doing that right now in mourning at a vigil. you are likely seeing images of that at monterey park city hall, just a few blocks from where i'm standing. you heard that man in my piece say that there's some form of relief because this was not an anti asian hate incident here, but there is also a complex feeling, given that these two suspects seem to be men of

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>> sources tell cnn the biden administration may not be ready to ship abrams tanks ukraine with a possible announcement as soon as this week. that would end a major standoff with germany, which is refused to ship its leopard 2 tanks with out a similar buy in from the u.s.. to spiegelman or lay today as are the journeys chancellor has a side to send the tanks, if a

deal has indeed been reach, it would come ahead of a major possible offensive by the russians as early as a strain. perspective now from john kirby, coordinator for strategic communications at the national security institute. >> admiral kirby, appreciate you joining us tonight. we know there has not been an announcement on the united states sending abrams tanks to ukraine. can you just talk, though, a little bit about what the debate has been internally about sending the abrams? there's been a lot of reporting about concerns that they're not, they're too complex, their training is too long, the type of fuel they need the spare parts are unique. is it that or is it concern that russia would see it as an escalation? >> i think, you know, with any system, particularly an advanced system that we're providing ukraine throughout the last 11 months, we have always gone through a very iterative conversation about, does it meet the needs that ukraine has on the battlefield now and in the future? and if the answer is yes, then is it appropriate that it comes from the united states or should it come from another country? and then what kind of training, what kind of support, what kind

of maintenance? how do we make it operable for the ukrainians in an efficient, effective way? and so, everything from the patriots, you know, to the nasams, to the himars we've been talking about, the bradley fighting vehicles, we have had that discussion with every event system, anderson. and tanks are no different. we have talked about the fact that the abrams are an incredibly capable system, but it's a very expensive system to operate and to maintain. as a jet engine, doesn't mean that the ukrainians can't learn it, it just means that we have to factor all of that stuff in with any system that we are going to potentially provide to them. >> given you may not want to go to this level of detail, but given the complexity of the abrams systems, does that limit its potential use in ukraine as the fear of war? i mean, in terms of supply lines, getting spare parts to, it doesn't have to see closer to kyiv? is it limited in how it could be used? >> again, without getting ahead of any decisions, that hasn't been spoken to yet, i would just tell you that again, with any advanced system, we have to factor in things like supply chain and maintenance time. and, you know, how often can keep them operational?

how do you use them effectively? you know, whatever tanks that get provided to ukraine, certainly that will have to be factored in. whether it's an american tank or anybody else's tank, there's talk, you know, the brits are going to contribute these challenger tanks. there's talk about perhaps other nations may provide leopard tanks. the german made tanks. all of them require unique maintenance and operational skills that the ukrainians would just have to become adept at. and yes, that absolutely affects how much do you give? how fast do you give? and on what time frame the troops are trained on then, and they're using the actual battle. >> as you know, some ukrainian military leaders have talked about a new mass of russian offensive perhaps coming in just in months, potentially as soon as the end of january. do you believe ukraine will have the weaponry, the needs to repel repel your attack? >> we are going to make sure that ukraine can defend itself today and tomorrow, and every other day. we obviously recognize that mr. putin could be using the winter to regroup, re-arm, re-equipped

and find manpower for his forces, for when the weather gets better. i mean, the fighting is still ongoing, it has not stopped. we certainly expect that as spring comes, you can see that russians want to go on the move again. they have not surrendered their larger strategic goals inside ukraine. so, we have to make sure that we're using the time effectively in front of us to make sure that ukraine can be ready for that, as well as, quite frankly, anderson, making sure that they are also ready and able to go on the move when the weather improves. >> russian officials have already begun framing any delivery of tanks as an escalation of war. is it an escalation? is it a line which early on, the u.s. did not think that they would cross? >> well, we've been providing armored vehicles to them, no,

not tanks, but we've been providing armored vehicles. they have every right to defend their territory and to try to take back territory that the russians have taken from them. and armored capabilities like tanks can be helpful in that regard. but look, let's make no mistake, the only party that's escalated the war's russia. they started it and they've been escalating it ever since. i mean, we don't talk about it as much in the last few days, but they are still using cruise missiles and drones to hit civilian targets and infrastructure, knock out the lights in the water while ukrainians are suffering through a brutal winter. so, i mean, it's russia that is the aggressor here. it's russia that has escalated everything. >> before -- the cnn reporting of the classified documents were found in the indiana home of former vice president, mike pence. do you think the process for classification and retention of

documents needs to be reviewed? you've been in government a long time, you know how this works. clearly, you know, people at the highest levels of government in both parties have not been sinking to proper procedure. does the procedures, does the system need to be reworked? >> without speaking to specific cases, there are rigorous procedures for handling classified information, classified documents that everybody in government is expected to follow. now, we routinely look at those procedures on occasion to see, make sure that we have them right, and i suspect that that routine process will continue. but by and large, i mean, there is very clear protocols on how to handle classified information and material, and we are comfortable that those processes and procedures are in good shape. >> admiral john kirby, i appreciate. it from the white house tonight, thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, more claims by george santos and so far, there is no evidence that they are true. details, next.

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>> another day, another batch of planes by new york congressman, george santos, that are raising questions. a recent interview surfaced of resilient prod cast taped in december soon after the freshman republican was elected to the u.s. congress. santos, speaking portuguese, says he was mugged in manhattan two summers ago by two white

men in broad daylight on fifth avenue, and they even stole his shoes. >> [interpreter] they robbed me, took my bag, my shoes, and watch. [end of translation] >> a police department spokesman, excuse me, a police department stores in new york, the nypd, tells cnn there is no record of santos reporting the alleged crime to police. he also claimed on the podcast some one once tried to assassinate him. >> [interpreter] we have suffered life attack, assassination attempt, threatening letter, having to have security guards and police escort standing in front of our house. [end of translation] >> santos was a no-show at a white house reception today for new members of congress, though he was invited, but he was on capitol hill. cnn congressional correspondent, jessica dean, is there. has there been any response from congressman santos about those claims that he made on that podcast? and is there any sense of whether any change in republican leadership's patience with him? >> well, we've certainly asked him a lot of questions, anderson, but he hasn't answered any of them. he did not want to talk about

any of this today. there is another part in that podcast where he said that he would donate his salary to charity. he would not respond to any questions about that. either. he did come in and out of his office, but again, not really responsive to any of the questions that we wanted to ask him. we did hear from house speaker, kevin mccarthy, just a little bit ago. he had a press conference and he was asked about santos, if he was just keeping him on because he's worried about kind of the political reality that if they have to have a special election in that district, the democrats could win that seat. it would make his small margin even smaller. and he really double down, triple down, particles down, whatever you want to call it at this point, on santos, saying that he couldn't, it's not his job to remove him because the people of new york and his district elected him, that he is going to go to the ethics committee and if they found that he's broken a lot, that they will remove him. but that has been mccarthy's stance on this and it continues

to be, and we have all indications that they are going to keep the -- on that. >> i understand some sellout republicans are weighing in on santos. >> right, so we had a chance to ask senator jon kennedy, from louisiana, who's known for his colorful language and replies, about george santos and what he thought, if he should be kept in congress, if he should be kicked out. he does believe he should be kicked out, but i will let you listen to what he had to say about george santos. >> he appears to be a bunny war -- he, like every other american, is entitled to due process, but if the allegations prove to be true, i would boot him. he is not he as a fruitcake. i called him a bunny ball or. i don't know if you've seen sanville tracks, but there are people like that out there. and again, nobody is above the law. >> did he say bunny boiler? >> bunny boiler, yes, it's the louisiana accent there. so yeah, bunny boiler, like the movie fatal attraction was his comparison there. yeah, for the record, santos did tweet those comments and said that he was saddened by

them and called the language divisive, but interesting to hear from a gop senator that he would have santos removed. i mean, that's kind of the takeaway in bunny boiler. >> lastly, congressman santos emerged from his office earlier today and put up a black p. o. w. flag outside his office. what was that about? >> i really don't know. none of us really know. it's a great question. a lot of lawmakers have flags outside of their offices, that's not uncommon. some have the p. o. w. flag outside their office, so, you know, you see the flags and, you know, down the corridors, why he chose today and why he chose that flag and that moment to come out with it, he only knows. >> also he has a staff, or actually, does he have staff? are there people actually want to work for him?

>> no, he does have staff, he does have staff that escorts him to -- their will go with him in and out of his office that we see daily. so yes, there are people that are working with him. >> all right jessica dean, appreciated. thank you now, perspective from our chief political correspondent, dana bash. correspondent of cnn state of the union. have you seen anything like this, dana? >> no, and i feel like i should start by saying, i will not be ignored, dan. that's a quote from fatal attraction. the answer is no, i have not seen anything like this. you just were asking jessica if he had staff. he does and there are people who are working for him, but they are seeing really more that they're working for the people of the third district of new york at this point, because it's sort of a new form of political torture for them, to be in this office. because as much as we are surprised by all these revelations, they are two. the people who work for him, they're afraid to open their phone in the morning because they don't know the next thing that's going to be on there, like what you just played from the podcast that came out of brazil with this claim that is not substantiated about him getting attacked in the streets of new york city. >> speaker mccarthy is doubling down on the argument that santos's constituents voted him

in, but they didn't have an honest knowledge of who he was when they voted for him. >> -- they did not vote him in. they voted in a republican, let's be honest, because although there wasn't a republican wave across the country, as the gop expected, there was one in the state of new york. a lot of democratic seats or formerly democratic seats did flip, this was one of them. it was an open seat, but it did go to the gop. and that is a big reason why he is in office. there's a lot of frustration among democrats, as you can imagine, in new york that this was not fully vetted and fully made public before the election, but that's just the reality. the other thing that was really interesting, anderson, that jessica was reporting is that mccarthy admitted that if santos resigns, if there is a special election, because it is new york and because of everything that we've seen, it

is very unclear if the republicans can keep it. probably more likely that the democrats would pick up that seat. and that's just the bottom line here. we have to say this over and over again, because there is a four seat majority that kevin mccarthy has, he cannot afford to lose any votes. you just saw a florida republican get into an accident. he's not going to be there for votes, probably for the next few weeks. so, it's down to three. i mean, this is the kind of narrow margin that mccarthy is dealing with. -- >> dana bash, thank, you appreciated. coming up, a chocolatey delicious controversy or maybe a pr stunt. harry enten has the munchies, next. we're carvana we created a brand new way for you to sell your car

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>> we want to tell you a story that has been brewing for about a year now. it's not a major story. it's definitely one you can't avoid talking to people about and depending on where you get your news, it seems that woke forces are taking over america are that some folks on fox news had instigated a moral panic about something. and i think that you know where i'm going with this. we are talking about m&ms. yeah, m&ms. end of the program. candy maker announced on monday its popular characters are taking an indefinite pause and that comedian maya rudolph will now represent the brand, which i completely support, because i support anything maya rudolph does. so, the tale begins last january when m&ms decided it wanted to make its decades long spokescandies more current. so, among the many changes is the green m&m, you can see there, they ditched her boots

for sneakers, also the brown m&m, got her heels chopped for smaller heels, which i guess to some is a big deal. certainly to some folks on fox it was. they spoke out about it and i should point out there were others less politically motivated who just liked the original green and brown m&m look. and then in september, m&ms introduced a purple female character. she was pictured along with green and brown m&m on the front of a pack honoring international women's day. cue another round of outrage. and now that indefinite pause, i also mentioned, i should also point out, that m&ms has a super bowl commercial coming up and there's speculation maybe these changes may be part of an attempt to gin up publicity, which it seems to be working because now even i'm talking about it. which in that why i'm joined bioscience in your data reporter, harry enten, who's been studying this -- what's going on? >> [laughter] well, i've got to tell you. that is a real laugh. that is the real laugh, that's

the life that you know what i'm actually laughing. sometimes i give you a fugazi laugh, that's a real laugh. >> why does anyone care? people have a lot of time on their hands. >> i think a lot of people have a lot of time on their hands and they oftentimes look for, you know, signs of perhaps america's decay as a society. maybe the fact that this has become a story is the sign of that. but, you know, if you know candies, and i know candies, -- >> i know m&ms, i love m&ms. >> everybody loves m&ms. it's the number one candy in america. that is number four. that's number four, so the original is the number one, the one with peanuts is number four. and you can see, when you get, you know, two types of m&ms in the top four of america's top candies, that's why we are talking about it. that's why fox is talking about it, because it's something that everybody loves. >> early on in potty training, i would give my son, wyatt, half an m&m for pooping right. >> and i have half an m&m when trying to reward myself for actually paying attention to my work instead of watching youtube videos. so there you go. >> it all balances out. >> i'm going to start giving you little half m&ms. >> for every good segment i do.

>> so, is it all part of a strategy? >> look, i think you hinted at it, that m&ms, mars has a super bowl ad that's coming up and they've had a number of super bowl ads over the last decade or so. and what we know is according to google searches, right, that searches for m&ms jumped 50% in the february s in which they've, in fact, had anm&m ad on the super bowl. mars knows exactly what they are doing, in my mind. this is part, in my mind, of a larger strategy that they are playing. they have played it before, they've been able to generate interest and i believe that's exactly what they're trying to do here. >> wow, it's a conspiracy. >> that's one of the few conspiracy theories i believe. >> now, i'm all for maya rudolf, again, i love maya rudolf. she's not putting any m&ms out of work though, by the way. she's bringing being brought into the team. >> she's being brought in. again, part of, you know, this that i think is so important to point out is that they have brought maya rudolph on because she's so popular. >> 93% positive rating. >> among those who hold an

opinion of maya rudolph, she's got a 93% positive rating. how can mars lose in this situation, right? you love her. >> i love her. >> america loves her. america loves m&ms, america loves maya rudolph. so mars is saying, let's bring the two of those forces together for good and we are going to be able to sell more m&ms. >> so, the spokescandies are on hold, is that what i should take away from this segment? they're on hold. >> so, this is -- what >> in a holding pattern. >> they're in a holding pattern and we will learn about their fate in a few weeks. but take a look at this timeline that i think really gives you the understanding. we are learning about the fate of them in a few weeks. guess what's also in a few weeks. the super bowl is in a few weeks. it's in three weeks. how coincidental that the two of those join up together. >> obviously, you are putting the pieces together like a guy in a basement talking into tinfoil. >> or perhaps, like, dick tracy at the candy store, okay? i'm putting it together. my father was a former a. d. a.,

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looking at some live pictures right now, a vigil outside city hall in monterey park california. people have been stopping by throughout the evening there, there's 11 men and women who reported over the weekend by gunmen advance to, rio as they were celebrating the lunar new year. one of three mass shooting