looking at some live pictures right now, a vigil outside city hall in monterey park california. people have been stopping by throughout the evening there, there's 11 men and women who reported over the weekend by gunmen advance to, rio as they were celebrating the lunar new year. one of three mass shootings in the states since saturday, leaving 19, dead and california's governor tonight harsh words for republican a

lawmaki'm sick and tired of the, i'm sick of it. i don't ever see this again. i don't ever want to see you again, in this condition, i'm serious! i'm not making this up about all of these notes. how many of these governors have we seen this doing the same dance that we've seen today? >> china's house chris murphy, connecticut who has been with governor newsom, tonight, in the wake of the mass murder at sandy hook elementary school, ten years ago. senator hug, thank you joining. as you what governor newsom, there, as you know i have the strongest gun laws in the country. what more, in your opinion, can be, should be, done? >> well the problems, guns don't pay much attention to state boundaries, california can have strong line laws. can i could have strong laws. but the weapons across state

lines. so these assault-style weapons that are used in these match outings, you can buy them in california and connecticut, what you can buy them in taxes, in georgia, and easily transport them into our states. same things with the crime guns that gets used and hartford and los angeles, the illegal gun trade, and those guns move from states with very loose background checks, where criminals and gun traffickers can easily buy guns, into states with more rigorous background checks, so and until we have a federal law, banning these mass murder assault weapons, and requiring everybody to go through a background check before they buy a gun, the state laws have limited efficacy. i think that's a deserving position why him from gavin tonight. >> according to the gun violence archive, there been 40 mass shootings today, just in 2023 so far. biden is urging congress to pass an assault weapons ban,

that wasn't realistic in the last, congress never right now with the republican house majority, is clearly whether the president has a plan b? >> well, listen, there's certain executive actions that the president can continue to take. he is implementing the law that we passed last year, but i also don't accept that we can't get this done, i understand that right now it's hard to figure out how an assault weapons ban passes the senate and the house, but only a month before uvalde, people would have never guessed that we would've been able to close the boyfriend loophole, fund red flag laws, put more rigorous background checks on younger buyers. all that was made possible because the people the country rosa, i said that they would be thought out of office until they do something. so i still have hope that the voters of this country are going to command republicans to step up and do the right thing. now, i'd love to ban assault weapons. i know that during the ten years that we didn't allow them to be sold commercially, in this country, we had a dramatic decrease and number of nashvillians. as soon as that that expired,

the mashudu started going upward again. but if we can't ban assault weapons, then let's look at raising the age to 21 before you can buy weapons. let's require background checks, at the very least, for these military style rifles. there are things that we can do, short of the ban, that i hope congress will look at if we can't get the band done. >> seminal county sheriff spoke to cnn matt energy multipronged approach to also deal with mental health. what would that look like to you?, does that make sense to you? >> well, listen people snap all over the world, america isn't the only place where people's brains breaking, we're not the country with more mental illness than other countries, is just in this country we have a fetish isaih shun of weaponry lethal weaponry and ease of

access to the tools of mass murder such of people have these moments of mental crisis and then they have easy access to weapons. other countries just don't allow that. i'm all for spending more on mental health, in fact, the gun bill we passed last year put 15 billion additional dollars on the mental health. but i never thought we would be able to solve a gun violence problem without tightening up our gondolas, because america just doesn't have a bigger mental illness problem than other countries, we're just the only country that has all these gun murders. >> when you look at just a few of the shootings in the past few days, the dance studio in monterey park, a school in iowa workplace, in half moon bay. the victims are going about their daily lives, collectively, what do you think that does to us. what does that do to a nation psyche? do people realize the toll this takes on a country? >> no, i mean listen, think about my, kids we all think

about our. kids i've got a middle schooler, and an elementary school student, they go through their active shooter drills, our kids don't feel safe anywhere in this country. obviously, now many workers are not gonna feel safe, i think we have to be smart about this. the way to approach this problem is to get these guns out of the hands of dangerous people. i don't want our country to turn into an arm encampment. i don't think the solution is to have armed police officers outside every single church, workplace, and school. that is not the environment that is conducive into making us healthier individuals. so to me, yes, we have to invest in some level of no security. in public spaces. but we have to get these illegal guns off the street. we have to get these dangerous weapons out of the hands of dangerous people. that is the solution to make our country safer. >> i just finalize, i want to talk about the cnn reporting, vice president pence or found classified documents and mr. prentice indiana home.

clearly it's a problem that affects both parties, does there need to be some sort of overhaul to how classified documents are handled? >> i guess so. i mean this is news to a lot of us in congress! [laughter] i didn't know you can take classified documents out of the united states capitol. perhaps there were different roles at the white house. so obviously, we've got to have a better system to make sure that classified documents, at the white house, are handled. maybe in the same way that they're handled in congress, when you can't leave the building with them in your hand. but -- you know, it looks vice president pence approaches the same way that president biden did. which was, once he found out that he had taken these documents, that they were in his house, he immediately alerted the authorities. very different, then president trump, who essentially is being pulled over for speeding, and allowed the cops on a high-speed chase for a couple of weeks. so i'm glad that president has is cooperating just like

president biden was. but yes, we have to take a but a look at why all these cautions are getting all say. spaces >> senator chris, murphy appreciated, thank you. >> andrew mccabe is, back special agent profiler mary ellen o'tool, mary ellen, when you heard more about the details of the shooting in half moon bay california, did it strike you that there are certain similarities to the shooting, that it just happened days earlier in monterey park, showing the age and race of the gunman? >> i thought it was very striking, i'll tell you why, because the age of both gunman, 67, 68, and 72, those are tremendous outliers. the average age of the shooters, of shooters we see nowadays, is the early 30s. >> look at it this way -- for six, seven 68 years, 72 years, and the monterrey park case, these two men were able

to navigate their way through life, how doses, or maybe not particularly well -- handle being upset, maybe angry at the workplace, but they did have coping behaviors, and now all of a sudden those coping behaviors are not what they should be. they are not relying on them. so i found it very interesting when both of these were back to back. and also made me wonder about the copycat, or the contagion effect in the shootings that we have seen in younger shooters. >> andrew, in your experience from a law enforcement perspective, in, data do massive should come in waves of travelers like that? whether it is a copycat effect? or not? >> well we, know anderson, it several mass shooters have drawn inspiration from masters before them. so, we know that with a columbine shooters, of course they have reached medical status, in that community. we know that the shooters at

the el paso shooter, the el paso walmart shooter, and several others took inspiration from the christchurch mosque shooter in new zealand. so it, this kind of reputation all predecessor is a significant factor in a community. whether or not that was an element in the shootings, it remains to be seen. you know, we understand that the half moon bay shooter has been cooperating with police, at least he was initially. he may have made statements to that affect. if that's not the case investigators will look closely at anything he has written with his electronic devices, his texts, emails, his conversations with friends all sorts of things like that, to see if he has any sort of references, but it's a good question, it's not one that we really quite ready to answer with respect to these two shooters. >> mary ellen, you worked on this groundbreaking report in the wake of the combine shooting.

the focus on the ripple effect of violence. what were some of the key findings? >> well, one of the key findings was that there was a copycat effect when these cases occurred, which meant that after one shooting occurred, then the level of violence increased, there are more threats of violence in the more additional shootings. and as the shootings got more sensational, then prior shooters became, as andy said, they're inspirational, they become folk heroes, and new shooters aspire to be like dylan chalybeate in eric harris. there is that influence of people that were involved in this type of behavior. when we first studied the copycat effect, after the suicide of marilyn monroe -- that was in the first time that, blocks of human behavior influenced other humans to do the same thing. so it's not unusual this

copycat behavior is part of what we see with these mass shootings, and still continues, it's just that when you have older men, 67, 68 72. pure influence is not nearly as important, is if you're 2021, where whatever people think it was really important. that's another reason why the cicadas were really outliers to me. >> andrew mccabe, thanks very much, china, next political payback, how speaker kevin mccarthy announced tonight he is keeping to democrats of the house intelligence committee. including adam schiff, he joins us with his reaction. also tonight, what could be a pivotal moment for the former president facing potential criminal charges in georgia, we'll take a look at where the district attorney is leading the investigation now, and says that charging decisions are, in his words, imminence. you could earn your master's degree in less than a year for under $11k. learn more at phoenix.edu.

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just in tonight, house speaker kevin mccarthy made it explicit in officially, he's bouncing to democrats on the house intelligence committee. according to his tweet, i have rejected the appointment of adam issue mitt and eric swalwell, the committee, i'm committed to restoring the house intelligence committee, to one of integrity and credibility, the story is the trust of the american people. joining me now is adam schiff, i'm wondering what your responses to speaker mccarthy's decision to block you from serving on the committee. >> well sadly, it's gonna do damage to the committee to have a muse as this kind of political plaything. this is kevin mccarthy

responding to the demands of the most extreme elements of his conference, the marjorie taylor greene s, paul gosar s and responding to the wishes of his boss down a mar-a-lago. he's upset over the fact that we investigated, and impeach donald trump over his withholding of hundreds of millions of dollars from ukraine, and its war with russia. in order to exploit that country into helping his campaign, and sadly i think this is an effort to stop oversight to stop those weeds stand up to him. but i can tell you anderson, it is not gonna work. i'm more determined than ever to hold him accountable and do what i can to protect our democracy. >> speaker mccarthy addressed this tonight and i want to play a little bit of what he said. >> this is not anything political, this is not similar to what the democrats did. but integrity matters, and they have failed in that place from adam schiff using of position

of the intel chair, lying to the american public again and again. >> he says you lied and that there were some republicans are gonna argue that republicans won the house and this is their prerogative, they can do this. >> they can do any number of destructive things and appears they're ready to do that. this is the merely the latest smear from kevin mccarthy, he has had a shifting series of rationalizations for removing me and eric swalwell from the committee. he's under the name of glass for people to click a button, to remove me from the committee. it was a fund raising agreement on one hand. but on more seriously, this is kevin mccarthy's way to getting and keeping the votes to keep speaker. there's a look at marjorie taylor greene demanded, and he is ready to do. it my primary concern, anderson,

is in essentially playing with the membership of our committee, and to try some of the independent of the committee, establishing a new select committee on the weaponization of the federal government, -- it's going to bree distress, and they founders of the. committee they're not gonna want to share information with congress that we need to make decisions, because they're not gonna trust mccarthy other people leaflets on these committees. >> republican congressman don bacon said tonight that it's quote, corrosive, unquote, to be kicking people of committees in the hopes that it can end. also just moments ago victoria sparks weighed in against the move, given that, would you support a deal between speaker mccarthy, and minority leader jeffries that would put an end to either party blocking lawmakers from certain committees? >> the precedent that was said in the past congress, was that if members of congress incite violence against other members

of congress, they shouldn't be serving on committees. i think that's the right precedent, if we would stick to that they don't think we'd have this issue except with people encouraging violence but i appreciate these republican members speaking out against what mccarthy is doing, sadly with the intelligence committee, he doesn't need to bring to house vote, which he might lose, but i do think it shows that there are republicans who understand, this is very ill considered, it's just gonna damaging institution, it's not justified, the votes last year were bipartisan. these efforts are not at all bipartisan, indeed the opposition to it is bipartisan. >> you're in the minority in the house, you're not gonna be on the intelligence committee, does this give you more incentive to run for senate in california 2024? you are considered a likely candidate, as you know. >> well, i'm speaking with leader jeffries about what is the best way i can be helpful in the house to continue to defend our institutions. to continue to do the work the people in california sent me to do. in terms of other potential

responsibilities, i don't want to make any announcement here tonight, but of more to say about that in the near future. but i will say this anderson, if kevin mccarthy thinks this is gonna stop me from doing my job, protecting our democracy. he's gonna soon learn, he's only gonna make me fight harder. >> congressman schiff appreciate your time tonight, thank you. >> thank you. >> now georgia where decisions are, quote, imminent -- pointing to us election in the state. that's where the dea told the judge in fulton county. a special grand jury reaches final report. the seven month probe came after that call, pressing the secretary of state to find the votes necessary to win for donald trump to win the state. he lost an georgette to biden by nearly 12,000 votes. cnn sarah murray joins us now from atlanta with the latest. so, what more is it to go tierney signaling about the decisions about possible charges with the windows -- when those can be announced? >> well anderson, we might not

get a decision overnight, but it seems like we're gonna get one sooner rather than later. like you, said a district attorney fani willis told a judge today that the decision is minute on whether she's gonna bring indictments on donald trump on any of his associates. it is investigation into election interference. though she seemed to be signaling that the special grand jury had recommended some people for criminal charges. we don't know that for certain because of course, we still haven't seen their final report. but after was talking in court about wanting to keep this reports under wraps, she kept referring to how important it is to protect the rights of future defendants. she's said, it was important to preserve the rights of future defendants and to make sure that they were able to get a fair trial in this jurisdiction. remember, she has previously named more than a dozen people as potential targets in this investigation, people like rudy giuliani, donald trump's former attorney, as well as more than a dozen republicans, who served as fake electors for donald trump here. >> did the judge overseeing the

special grand jury, have any hints on whether he's england to inclined to reach the grand juries report? >> he, no he didn't really tip his hand on where he's gonna rule on this, and he said he didn't want to make any rash decisions on the matter. but he really pressed the prosecutors on whether there was any legal reason, but there is any law saying that he can release a special grand jury's report. he pointed out that the special grand jurors, they want to make this court public they are eager to make this report public. they said look, this is an investigative body that's done so much of his work out in public, and that is not seem to have hindered ongoing investigations, that, again no final ruling, he said that he may put forth an order saying what is gonna do. but it's not just gonna drop the report all of a sudden, overnight, on the american people. >> did you get any indication on whether it'll be a full report? or we dak did version? >> he didn't. i think that the issue is that we just don't know what the shape of the special grand

horry report. is if they wrote this sort of lengthy narrative, maybe you could just redact peoples names, we track the recommendations, they made about people maybe facing criminal charges. but if there was something narrower about essentially saying, we've been facing for several, months here are the people who should face charges, and use of the conflicts on, and recommendations, it will be a bit hard to read accidentally that, and make it available to the public. so i think that because we know so little about how this report is structured, it's hard to kind of guess how he's gonna move forward on this. >> sarah murphy, appreciate it, thanks. up next, we are live in texas, where tornado hit the area fusion today. we'll have the very latest on the damage. coming up!

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that may sound some extreme weather that just tore through texas, a tornado hit the houston area, living behind a trail of damage, officials are still trying to assess. as a 9 pm eastern time tonight, they have already been 14 tornado reports across southeastern texas, and southwestern louisiana. localized to cnn's rosa flores and pasadena, texas, with the latest. what is it like on the ground

there? >> well you know anderson, there's a lot of destruction, people here are counting their blessings, because there are no fatalities. there are no life threatening injuries. but this tornado, this stream of storms, left a very destructive path. you can see that these are some of the projectiles that were flying, and i want to show you what's behind me, because this is what we've been seeing around here. this was a gym, a crossfit gym, and you can see if you look closely, you can see some of the workout equipment under the mangled roof. the owner of this gym spoke to our affiliate, khnl, you and he really described intense moments. it is unclear there's still assessments be made. but he described the chaos and a loud noises. he says that four people were inside this crossfit gym at the time of this tornado, and says that they all ran to the

bathroom of this gym, and that's how they survived. they credit that bathroom for their survival, now it's dark so it's a little difficult for us to show you more around. but in the distance, there's also police activity, again the assessments are going on here to my right, you can't see it because it's dark, but there is ponding on the street to talk a lot about the intensity, you can see on my, laugh these ties powerlines that fell over this gym, again, speaking to the intense moment of when this happened. and the powerlines here look like they split like toothpicks. now on the height of the storm, center point energy, which serves as the entire houston metropolitan area, did reports more than 100,000 customers without power one, but since then they have been working through those power outages, anderson, so at last check in the last 15 minutes, there are more than 50,000 customers

without power, but again, there's this path of destruction, people just described those intense chaotic moments, where they were really hoping to survive, and of course now we know from authorities that there are no fatalities at this time. >> earlier, you entered a park... about six miles north where you are now. i know those cars were return by school, is that right? >> you know, i talked to a woman there, who described those intense moments, at the time the tornado hit. but she showed me her car. i know we have images of this, because of the car overturned, but here's the thing... the car was yards away. so again it speaks to the intensity, out of this tornado, she also showed me her sister's car, which is part next to hers. and that carries even further away. the good news there anderson,

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the double murder trial of alec murdoch's suspected to begin tomorrow, is a member of one of south carolina's most storied families. he was in court today as they debated whether to include ballistics -- testimony. he's on title for the murder of his wife and younger son, among other accusations lobbied against him. i'm joined now by randi kaye has been following this case from the beginning. so -- we were talking about the ballistics case, what is it about? >> this policy expert is sunday that the state would like to have testify, so they had a hearing about, him and his

testimony in court today. this expert has said that shotgun shell casings found at the murder scene and also along the murdochs hunting estate on the property there, seem to have come from the same gun. and that would be alex murdoch shotgun. the defense said that it's impossible to know because shotgun shell casings are not unique, say like fingerprint. so, they say that there is no study to back up this experts findings. but in the end, the judge did say that that this expert can testify at trial. but anderson, this is just the beginning, as you know. once alex murdoch faces this murder trial, and is that with, it he is also having to answer to a slew of alleged financial crimes, and mysterious deaths in his orbit. >> remember, five people died, in his orbit. i don't know anyone in my 60 years of life that had five people die in their orbit. >> he's talking about alec murdoch, low eric bland represent the family of the former housekeeper, gloria settle field.

she died in 2017, after -- 2018, after allegedly flying on the steps maggie and paul murdoch were still home at the time, and called 9-1-1. >> my housekeeper has fallen, hitter, had i cannot get our. up >> a lot enforcement evasion plans to exuma her body and take another look at how she died. >> is it in the room, or in the side of the road? >> -- investigators are also taking another look at the mysterious death of 19-year-old stephen smith, who was found dead on arrival south carolina road in 2015. investigators reopened the case, after all these years, because of information gathered during the investigation of the murders, of alec murdoch's wife and son. >> what do you believe happened your son? >> i believe he was beaten to death. >> the murdochs haven't said anything publicly about this case, but it's not just stephen 's family have doubts about what really happened to him, audio in the case files in the

lead investigator at the time, shows he didn't believe this is just a hit and run. south carolina state trooper proctor -- >> typically you don't see highway patrol working a murder, and there is no doubt, we're not classifying this is anything other than a murder. >> when 19 year old mallory beach, was killed in a boat crash in 2019, paul murdoch, alex's youngest son, was allegedly driving the boat well drunk, paul is awaiting trial when he was shot and killed. malory beach's family was suing alec murdoch in a civil suit, since the own the boat his son have been driving, you know, murdoch is accused of defrauding friends, colleagues, and clients, of nearly $9 million. remember his former housekeeper? gloria satterfield? murdoch admitted he stole millions in settlement money from his sons, in an elaborate scheme. he apologized in court, and agreed to pay or sons $4.3

million. >> after that, more of his alleged financial schemes were exposed. >> i got a flat tire, could've fuel you showed that help me, and when i turn my back, they tried to shoot me. >> less than three months out of the double homicide of his life by fan son, alex murdaugh was shot and ahead by a man he had arranged to kill him. it's a temper, 20, one murdaugh admitted authorities see it arrange for the man to shoot him as part of a fraud scheme, so his only surviving son, buster, could connected insurance payout, according to a court affidavit. as a result, that he was charged with insurance, fraud conspiracy to commit insurance fraud, and filing a false police report. >> so, randy, what do we expect from him tomorrow? >> tomorrow, we do expect him to seat an actual jury, they will have 12 jurors and six alternates, that's what is

expected, and then they're gonna start with opening arguments from both sides, so this is gonna be a long trial, it is supposed to last about three weeks, and will be interesting, anderson, to see alex murdaugh's intervenor as this goes on, as you know, he was a longtime lawyer, he has been disbarred by the state of south carolina now, but he sitting at the defense table with his defense lawyers, he is conferencing with them, he is sharing notes with them, he's cheering on his glasses, the pain very close attention, so be interesting to see just how he handles what is expected to be a very long trial. >> all, right around, they appreciate. sara's, ari hoosiers death by famed we found an investigation discovery, which is part of the one a rather's discovery company. mark, you heard the report from randi laying out the gross financial accusations against him. it's extraordinary what he's been accused of over a lengthy of time. well that will be relevant or admissible in this trial? obviously evidence pertaining directly to the murder of his wife and son would be. but a lot of the financial

stuff goes way back, and with that be able to get into this trial? >> well, the prosecution may try to get into that because they're gonna suggest that's part of his motive, which is going through all this, is gonna try to defer blame to somebody else, we are just some sympathy, i think the state needs to be extraordinarily careful, bringing in what we call, bad act evidence, which is gonna, i think overwhelm the jury, if you start talking about all, that and that's really grounds for appeal, i think the state needs to be much more careful, to a very tight, case get him on circumstantial evidence they have, be very careful with any type of junk science evidence, and just get him as clean as they can. >> but don't they have to be able to bring in the prosecution, be able to bring in some of the financial allegations of financial crimes? because that is the motive they're saying for him to kill his wife. >> well, remember addison, murder is elective. but it's not an element of any

crime for that matter. however will they be able to prove motive? judge is not gonna preclude them from trying to prove their case in terms of motive. every juror wants to know, why, as the first thing when they go into deliberations, this is far more pride prejudicial than prohibitive, that's really the test here, so i see this judge allowing some very limited number of things, maybe those things that were close in time to the murders. but not all of this. >> what about the blood splatter? because prosecutors say -- a car thought documents, saying the blood splatter on the shirt that alex murdaugh was wearing when you found a son, or when the police came and he was with his son. >> so that's really interesting, because the statement a huge mistake, they hired an outside, i don't know, he's doing a science fair experiment, not a real expert, working out of his home, he destroyed the t-shirt, so it precluded the defense from being able to conduct their own independent examination of the t-shirt, and that led to this trumbetti

young blood motion, that the defense filed to exclude any legislator evidence, because the defense has been deprived of the ability to do their own investigation. >> mark, we mentioned that jury selection is gonna continue, if you're the defense attorney in this case, what would you want in a jury, because i know yesterday the judge asked everybody to stand up, who knew about the case, and all the potential jurors stood up, because everybody in this area knows about this, case he will know about his case all around the country. >> yeah, they're gonna sit a jury even though we think it's very difficult, those of >> you have people who are fair and impartial, but what you want? i think you realize that this is a circumstantial evidence pace. there is no direct evidence. you want engineers, you want people who are gonna hold the state to task, want analytical people, while people were not gonna get caught up in the emotions of what he is alleged to have done, -- killing's very own son and wife, so you want people who are more analytical, maybe even more educated, because they're gonna be one

rule to stay to task, and not get caught up in the emotions in the moment. it is when you hear some of >> -- the other evidence, about financial crimes, cheating of clients of his, for people in his community, over the course of many years it be very easy to have a jury here all that evidence, and feel like this guy is just a jerk, and an awful person. >> completely nefarious, and that's why mark brought up bad acts, these are acts that are irrelevant to murder, these are not, assaults are not violent acts, right, i'm not diminishing the acts, but it's far more prejudicial and provitive, i think that's the danger of allowing all those to come in before juries, so look, everybody knows the murdaugh, as everybody knows what he's done, it's gonna be hard to get a jury that does know it's going on, that this guy has done, the question has been able to get one leader, who will lean on your side and then try to pick as many other

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much like what the kgb used to the, the air security services of ottawa's lead, cnn's melissa bell just caught up with two fsb defectors. >> her view was of moscow from look the inside, a life of privilege and access, including an fsb vehicle. as a doctor working for russia's federal security service, the powerful fsb. >> translator: i'm maria dimitrova, and iphone this video from the plane in moscow. >> a cold war style defection, booking a flight to france, before anyone suspected she might go. >> translator: i am now the french territory. >> reporter: complete with photographs, as well as work contracts, patient records, and references, to prove her identity to french authorities

she also brought documents she thought the west might be interested in. [speaking non-english] >> translator: i brought photos, audio and video recordings, which confirms the majority of the russian army are against the policies of the current leaders. >> at my own peril and risk, i was able to smuggle my phone into the fsb building twice, and was able to make some records. >> reporter: she also brought recordings of conversations with senior officials, to hand to french intelligence. currency, as she sought political asylum. dimitri eva is one of lot of senior russians from soldiers, to walk mercenaries, and fsb employees, now arriving in europe. so many that putin promised in december to promptly identify, traitors, spies, and saboteurs. even as europe has been expelling senior russians, 600 and 2022, including 400 spies,

according to the head of the british intelligence agency, am i five. [speaking non-english] >> reporter: but in an exclusive interview with cnn, former senior fsb lieutenant -- says there's plenty of active agents left. neighbors back off comes from a family a security service agent, many of his relatives now under arrest in his native dagestan. before defecting, he worked for the fsb in poland, now he is seeking asylum there. [speaking non-english] >> translator: the role of the fsb to begin at the war, because they wanted at the war quickly, but failed, you know the fsb, it's every man for himself, everyone wants to escape from russia. every second fsb officer wants to run away. now, already, they understand that russia will never win this war. of course i'm afraid, i know that i work, history says that in any case, i will be killed. >> vladimir -- and says he's

helped at least 20 senior russian insiders escape, since the war in ukraine began. the exiled russian human rights activist, is on russia's list of wanted criminals, and insist on meeting in a public place, in september, french police opened an investigation into a possible assassination attempt at his home. >> i saw my wife and children, who spent more than 30 minutes on the phone, and the children were very scared, who and my wife's late mother to protect them, because it's a risk of the shoot in this moment, it was very difficult. >> it's one part. >> he says it's his help to those fleeing, and the documents they bring that make him a target, like the images he shows us on his computer of what he says a russian surveillance radar positions, aimed at europe, dating back to 2017, given to him, a he says,

by a three star general, now in exile. >> putin? why wants to kill me? he is very scared, there's a lot of people who now work in the putin system, but they want to find the way who work together with the west, with ukraine, with europe, that the united states, and to stop putin. >> when he leaves us, it's with some of the policeman who, since september, ensure his security day and night. maria, like many of the russians arriving, has no such protection, and little money left, but she agreed to speak to us, hoping for a better future in the west. >> and well isabella joins us now, just extraordinary what they're doing. how do western security services make sure that some of these defectors are not intelligence agents sent by the kremlin, to get policy information, or try to get in

with a defectors, or anti russian groups? >> the facts, anderson, they simply can't, there's so many examples across europe, but also in other country's neighbor in russia, of people who fled, claiming to be seeking genuine asylum, who turned out to still be working for the fsb, in fact vladimir --, can as you saw now, report was tricked by one only a few months ago by a man claiming to need is, help we turned out to have been sent by moscow, simply to try to get closer to him, and because, that what you're seeing as more and more of those neighboring countries in european countries simply deciding that they're not gonna be giving visas those trying to flee that leads many russians who are trying to get out in a very difficult position. you might, say why have any sympathy for the people who are working inside the regime of vladimir putin? but that suspicion also affects so many other russians. russians who come from much lower down the ladder, journalist for instance whoève tried to get out since the war

began, simply because their lives are gonna get so much harder as a result of it, what they find themselves in positions where, if they managed to get the year, they have no more access to the families are enough behind, and might well be in danger. no access to their bank accounts, facing big seeded suspicions about who they, are very little prospect of getting asylum. and of course the fear that they'll simply bay center country where they will not be treated tenderly, anderson. >> the news continues, cnn tonight with laura coats is up next right after a short break.

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>> well, good evening everyone. i'm laura coates and this is cnn tonight. in what could be the next big thing that could changes