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hello and thanks for joining us. i'm abby phillip here in washington. now, president biden makes it official. just moments ago, the u.s. is sending abrams tanks to ukraine. that announcement comes just hours after germany revealed that it will send its own leopard 2 tanks to ukraine. germany had been reluctant to do that but ultimately they bent to weeks of intense pressure from western allies. cnn's phil mattingly is over at the white house for us. but let's begin first with our own jim sciutto. jim, can you walk us through what we are talking about here? what are these tanks, and where are they coming from as it relates to what's going into ukraine? >> reporter: abby, this is a significant move and let's begin with what the capabilities are.
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this is a german leopard tank then you have the u.s. sending abrams as well. first thing to say about this, highly capable, it's an offensive weapon, not a defensive weapon and the ukrainians hope here, their aim is to use this as a weapon to retake territory, not just defend, but retake materiality inside its country captured from russia so let's look at the countries that are going to be sending these in. you have the u.s. as you noted, the president announcing 31 abrams tanks, germany sending 14. uk sending 14. poland, some other countries sending a handful too. now, those are not insignificant numbers, but keep in mind you add those up, you're below 1 00. when you put that into context with russian tank forces it doesn't match up. the math doesn't even come close, how do we know that? we don't know the exact number of tanks either the russians or ukrainians have there but we do have a decent sense of how many they've lost.
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these compiled from open source and only put tanks in this list if they have visual evidence they were destroyed. look at russia, more than 1,600, ukraine, close to 500. you're getting over 2,000 tanks destroyed. many more deployed so when you look at the numbers coming from the other side, even when you add up the u.s., the german contributions, the british contributions, it's still a relatively small number and as the president noted it's going to take a number of months for these to get into action. >> so, jim, these are really important tactical capabilities that the ukrainians are seeking. so how big of a role have tanks played already in this war so far? >> well, the biggest role they played, frankly, is giving a window into russian losses, right? you remember those early russian attempts to get into the more central part of the country to try to take the capital kyiv, for instance, there were tank graveyards there because the ukrainians had such success
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destroying them and this is another point to be made here. the u.s. view, the view of many u.s. officials and commanders is that ukraine is not great given the numbers at a full-on tank war world war ii style. they've had success in smaller more mobile more agile units, a lot of those russian tanks went down early in the war, soldiers on foot with shoulder-fired missiles. the bradley fighting vehicle which the u.s. is also sending in is very fast, it's highly mobile, more mobile than tanks, requires less support than tanks and it also has an anti-tank capability tone as a t.o.w. missile on the other side of the turret on this one so there are a lot of folks on the u.s. side who say we understand you want tanks, but we've seen you have better success with these kinds of vehicles, smaller more mobile units. >> yeah, that's such an interesting point, jim. it brings us to the next part of this and we'll go to phil with this over at the white house. phil, just a little while ago
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president biden announced the deployment of these abrams tanks but did answer one question about whether the u.s. was basically forced into this by germany's reluctance to give these leopard tanks. what are you hearing about what changed in biden's thinking about sending these tanks over to ukraine. >> reporter: it should be noted the president chuckled and said this wasn't the case. this is where they wanted them to land but to some degree that's not totally accurate. u.s. officials said they didn't think this was plausible or made much sense and thought there were other armored capabilities more important. this is as much a diplomatic outcome, a diplomatic result as it is a military capability one and i think we can talk to u.s. officials who have been involved in trying to clear the way for this outcome over the course of the last several weeks perhaps to some degree even longer, they acknowledge that fact. if you look at the process of how the u.s. -- the abrams tanks are being delivered, what the u.s. is going through on the process side to get these over to ukraine both the longtime
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window but also not sending them from u.s. stocks going through a different process more timely whereas the european commitments will happen in a matter of months that required germany's signoff both on the 14 tanks germany committed already and more to come according to olaf schulze but the european allies that wanted to deliver leopard 2 tanks but could not without german approval for their export. when you look at the dynamics, it's important to remember and i think u.s. officials talk about it constantly when it comes to how president biden approached ukraine, the western coalition when it comes to supporting ukraine, it's been as much about keeping it together, keeping it united to the extent that they can than anything else. what do they need to do to ensure that happens? if the goal here was to get leopard 2 tanks over to ukraine, this was the way to get it done. maybe u.s. officials didn't think this was the best use of military capability. maybe they didn't think it would happen very quickly but this was an outcome they wanted and
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eventually ended up getting there. one final thing the president lavished praise on schulze throughout the course of his remarks today. that was not subtle nor was it unintentional making very clear he has the u.s. support despite the process they went through. >> yeah, he sure did and making a note to say that putin thought he could splinter europe but instead has united them. it's a key important objective here for the united states as well. phil mattingly, thank you for that. and now over to california where several communities are reeling from recent mass shootings. a short time from now the man who is accused of killing seven people in half moon bay will be arraigned in court and as we're learning -- this is as we're learning new chilling details about his past and in just a few minutes vice president kamala harris, a california native, will depart for monterey park just outside of los angeles where she'll meet with families who are affected by the shooting that left 11 people dead there. cnn's natasha chen is on the
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scene for us. natasha, what are you hearing from that community that i know is experiencing so much pain right now? >> reporter: so much grief, abby. they're preparing for another vigil tonight and i've been watching occasionally some members of the asian community here come up to the table and those photos and the white arches behind us and they've been standing there bowing three times, which is customary in chinese culture at least as a way of showing respect and honoring the deceased. but as they are mourning there's still so many questions including why investigators took several hours that first night to tell people that there was a shooter on the loose. here's what sheriff luna said about that. >> our detectives had done some really good work and felt they had some really good clues. when we started putting out public information, the priority was to get this person into
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custody, so we were very strategic in the way we were putting out information. ultimately it worked. >> reporter: and people are still wondering why in the world the suspect would have done this, abby. >> and, natasha, i want to just turn to the other shooting that california has experienced in half moon bay. what are we learning about that suspect set to face a judge this afternoon? >> reporter: that 66-year-old suspect was not known to investigators, no red flags ahead of this. investigators say this is an instance where someone snapped. but we know through court records that a former co-worker of his said that there was quite some display of violence, about ten years ago the co-worker, the former co-worker said that there was one instance where he even tried to suffocate that person with a pillow and there was a restraining order, so there were definitely some signs of antation in the past and
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definitely hoping to learn more at that court appearance this afternoon. >> all right. natasha, thank you for being there for us. the federal government has studied these types of mass attacks for the first time and some of the common factors that have emerged here will sound familiar. most of these perpetrators were male, many had major life setbacks in the year before the attack and they had displayed threatening or violent behavior beforehand. now, the secret service's national threat assessment center did this study so our next guest has also looked at this issue. jillian peterson is a psychologist co-author of the violence project, how to stop a mass shooting epidemic. jillian, thank you for being here. i can't think of anyone better suited to talk about these important topics and as you know, i mean everyone goes through these major life challenges and stressors, but only a tiny fraction of them are driven to violence and mass
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violence at that. so what separates these people? what makes them different? >> it's a great question and we can't say here's the exact profile of someone who does a mass shooting but what we do see is these consistent pathways, often starting with early childhood trauma, building to a crisis point, a major stressor that pushes that person over the edge, they become actively suicidal. they tell people about their plans, many times they have histories of other forms of violence and criminal activity and then they get focused on a target that kind of represents their grievance with the world. this mass shooting is tended to be their final act, a way to kind of seek justice in a way and so it's hard to know exactly who is going to do that but we can all be aware of the warning signs with the people in our lives. >> another factor that seems to be very common with these attackers, according to the study is that many of them have
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also had a history of domestic violence. and misogynistic behavior or both. so what do you think is behind that? i should also note many of these attackers, they're predominantly male as well. >> yes, and we study perpetrators who kill far more people in a public space, a narrow definition and see the same thing. 98% male, lots of histories of violence, some domestic violence. again, we see this kind of slow build towards violence. where it's men who feel angry at the world, angry that they haven't kind of gotten what they feel like they're owed and they look around and decide whose fault that is. maybe it's people in their family, in their lives, spouses, partners and then it turns bigger, many of them get radicalized online and find community in these sort of hateful beliefs online and this validation of violence. >> you heard probably earlier as we were talking to our reporter
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in california in half moon bay that perpetrator had been accused of violence in the past. we hear about these warning signs in a lot of these cases that may have been missed. this report also says that most of these attackers didn't come out of nowhere. they did draw concern from people around them beforehand. so what should be done then to prevent and to intervene? what more can people do when they see someone exhibiting these really troubling signs? >> yeah, it's so true. in every case we study there is this build and there's all these warning signs that are easy to identify in retrospect but we need to get better at identifying them ahead of time and we heed to know what to do with these signs so it's not just knowing here's the signs of a crisis, certainly we want to train ourselves in crisis intervention, suicide prevention but we also need to know where to report those concerns. anonymous reporting systems within schools, colleges,
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workplaces, community centers, those can be really useful tools, a way to say, hey, i'm worried about this person and then having a team that can intervene and do some more research and gather information. >> all right. jillian peterson, thank you for breaking that down for us. a family's cries for justice are ringing louder now as new details emerge in the case of tyre nichols. an officer who was involved in arrest was accused of beating an inmate years ago. we will be live in memphis. plus, it's mike pence's turn to face the justice department after classified documents were found in the former vice president's home. how could this impact the biden and trump probes? and, justin bieber just got $200 million richer. but why? and what does it mean for a rapidly changing music industry.
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we're learning new details about the death of tyre nichols and about one of the officers involved in his arrest. and later death. all of this coming as the city is bracing for the video of the confrontation to be released to the public. family members who have seen this video have called that footage horrific. but today cnn is learning that one of the five officers who was fired after the arrest, demetrius haley, had been accused of beating an inmate in 2016. haley denied the claim in a civil/federal lawsuit eventually dismissed. we're also learning that nichols' family commissioned their own autopsy and have the results of that autopsy. cnn's shimon prokopecz is in memphis for us. shimon, what do we know about that autopsy? >> reporter: right, this is an independent autopsy that was done by someone that was hired by the family. we don't have official confirmation or word from authorities here on what they found in their autopsy but
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certainly the information that they found is very disturbing in that there are indications as the family has said based on video they have soon that he was beaten to death. that he was bleeding internally, and that ultimately he died from those injuries and, of course, all of this is happening as the city is really bracing for the release of this video, the u.s. attorney here in memphis coming out today urging calm saying that they are continuing their federal civil rights investigation and really just urging community members that if they want to voice their concern, voice their anger over what happened here, to do it in a peaceful way and what we're seeing here just as city officials come out and talk about this, sorry about that. the train goes by here. as we've heard from the family members urging calm, also describing what they have seen in this video and just how horrific this was and the city
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is just really preparing for the release of this video that could come in the next few days. we're really waiting now, abby, on the district attorney here and the decisions that he has to make on whether or not to charge these five officers and then obviously release that video, abby, which could come at any moment now. >> yeah, and from all accounts the video is going to be horrific but should shed some light on what transpired there. shimon, thank you. and now to virginia where a teacher shot by her 6-year-old student earlier this month in class plans to sue that school district. the attorney for abigail zwerner explained why this morning at a news conference. >> on that day over the course of a few hours, three different times, three times school administration was warned by concerned teachers and employees that the boy had a gun on him at
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the school. >> let's bring in cnn's brian todd who is in newport news, virginia and cnn legal analyst joey jackson. brian, take us through this new time line of what they are alleging were the warnings that happened on that day. >> right, abby, the time line actually starts with according to this attorney diane toscano would spoke there at the news conference, the time line on that day starts with at about 11:15 a.m. she said the day of the shooting abby zwerner herself the teacher eventually shot, she warned school administrators that the boy, the 6-year-old boy who shot her had threatened to beat up another child. she laid out a time line of what happened right after that. >> around 12:30 p.m., when another teacher went to a school administrator as was protocol and told the administrator that she, the teacher, took it upon herself to search the book bag of the boy that was suspected to
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have brought the gun to school. the teacher then tells that same administrator that she believes the boy put the gun in his pocket before going outside for recess. shortly after 1:00 p.m., when a third teacher tells administrators of another boy who is crying and fearful that he bravely confesses to his teacher that the perpetrator showed him the gun at recess and threatened to shoot him if he told anybody. when a fourth employee who heard about the danger asked the administrator for permission to search the boy, he was denied. he was told to wait the situation out because the school day was almost over. >> reporter: we have reached out to the newport news school district repeatedly today for their response to this news conference and those allegations
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you just heard. they have not gotten back to us. they are expected to vote tonight to separate from the school superintendent, george parker. in addition, the family of the child in question, the 6-year-old shooter just issued a statement responding to that news conference saying, on behalf of the family of the child we continue to pray for ms. zwerner and wish her a complete and full recovery, our hearts go out to all involved from the attorney of the family of the 6-year-old boy. that attorney claimed the gun was secured in the home and he has told me separately that the gun was secured by a trigger lock and was kempt on the top shelf of the mother's bedroom closet. abby, that is the latest we have here. no response from the school system to this intent to file the lawsuit against them by abby zwerner or those specific allegations from her attorney. >> all right, brian todd, thank you for that. and joey jackson, thank you for being here. we have to break some of this down because it's really extraordinary what is being laid out here. how do you think this time line impacts the school's liability
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this this case? they're facing a lawsuit now. >> yeah, abby, and a very significant way, why do i say that? because you were warned, right? that means there were early indications as to something being amiss. it means that someone noted that this particular student was doing something very troubling, what troubling? carrying a firearm. to the extent you don't take that seriously particularly nowadays where you don't fully vet it or don't exercise a responsibility to otherwise search or get the matter under control it becomes a problem. yes, abby, certainly individuals, particularly juveniles have rights and that right is the right to privacy and an expectation that they would have it but those rights certainly have to give way to the right and the dynamic of securing and ensuring the safety of other students, the school and the teacher. and so in the event, right, these are allegations that are being made. in the event it's determined that this is factually correct, then i think it bears very critically and negatively on the
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school, what they did, their response and the nature of how they handle the situation and finally on liability with respect to any lawsuit brought forward. >> yeah, and you heard brian there talk about the trigger lock that the child's family says protected or protected the gun or kept the gun, you know, secured. do you think that was sufficient and could these parents now face liability as well for perhaps not doing more to keep that weapon out of the hands of a 6-year-old? >> without question and so now obviously the focus being on the school with regard to a lawsuit, right, potentially as it relates to the time line that we saw and what you just asked me about but doesn't end there, right? where does it begin? when you talk about any weapon, you look at what's called chain of custody. that chain of custody relates to where was the weapon initially. war was it stored? was it stored adequately and properly. factually is it stored there? early indications that the gun
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was purchased legally by the mom. that will certainly be vetted to ensure that's true but what did you do thereafter? was it kept in a safe place? how did the child have access? did you have any knowledge or information that the child had it and brought it to the school? did you do if you're a parent due diligence to ensure that he did not have that weapon? apparently that didn't happen and so we always have to remember, abby, when we talk about criminal law it's not only intent what you intend to do there are other spaces of liability, criminal liability, were you careless? were you negligent, were you reckless and disregard the risk that our actions or lack of actions in securing that weapon led to something occurring? i think prosecutors will be looking at all of that as it relates to the parents for sure. >> yeah, i mean it's complicated obviously by the fact that this is a 6-year-old but it's really hard to understand why at the very least the child wasn't removed from the classroom. joey jackson, thank you. coming up next for us, vice president mike pence had them
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a jury has just been seated in the alex murdaugh double murder trial and opening
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statements are expected to begin soon. cnn's dianne gallagher is over at the courthouse for us. what do we know? >> reporter: yeah, so, abby, look, there was a lot of focus on the fact that this is a pervasive crime, everybody in this small community already seemed to know about it, even on that first day of jury selection, the judge asked who had heard of this to stand up, almost everybody did. during this entire time, so what we have in this jury panel that was just seated and sworn in a few moments ago, abby, we have, of course, 12 jurors and 6 alternates. ten of those are white, two are black, eight are women, four are men. the alternates, we have four men and two women. now, look, we're in a lunch period and will return at 3:00 p.m. eastern here and we expect at that point opening arguments to begin in this case. now, look, the state has talked about their idea of trying to push a motive here as to why they say alex murdaugh killed
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his wife and his son back in 2021. again, the defense, abby, has said they feel this is all circumstantial and alex murdaugh has maintained his innocence. >> all right, a long road ahead for the case, dianne gallagher, thank you. right now the justice department is reviewing how classified documents ended up in former vice president mike pence's home. this comes as sources close to donald trump tell cnn that they believe that the pence and biden documents discoveries will make it harder for the doj to potentially charge trump or anyone in his orbit. let's discuss all of this with former white house ethics czar, norm eisen and beth sanner with us. a former senior official in the office of the director of national intelligence. so, norm, i want to start with you first, you heard what trump's team is saying. do you think that these discoveries make it more difficult for the doj to charge trump with something even if what they're looking at in his case is obstruction? >> abby, of course, they
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increase the difficulty level. they also reduce the heat on president biden a little bit with the pence disclosures, but prosecutors have to put on blinders, and the special counsel are looking at the donald trump situation which is so much worse because trump did not cooperate. that has to be separated from the biden and the regular doj team looking at the pence documents, so it makes it a little tougher but as a marrit of law that's what prosecutors do, put the blinders on. it should not affect special counsel jack smith's decision on trump or the special counsel on biden. >> i want to get at the underlying problem which seems to be these top seek documents, very sensitive documents that could have national security secrets keep getting found in places where they should not be. what is the fix for this?
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and is this showing that perhaps the processes that are in place right now are just not working? >> i think that's exactly the point, abby. once we get beyond these investigations, people really need to focus on how do we fix what clearly is a systemic problem? and i think we're going to find other people are going to discover documents. i think, you know, the solution is probably multifold. there isn't one silver bullet. you know, i suggest that more information that's classified be put on classified tablets like ipads or surface gos. i think there needs to be better recordkeeping. right now there isn't a single person who is in charge of the paper that goes in and out of the oval office and at the end of the day, the national archives needs to have a much more rigorous role in sorting through every single piece of paper that leaves the building. and, you know, i think those things will help. >> yeah, look, i know that a lot of people, especially older
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folks, but even people like me, sometimes i like things on paper. do you worry, though, that there will be an increased risk of hacking or, you know, cyberintrusions that could compromise those digital files if we go that route? >> well, obviously those are, you know, those are two really legitimate questions and i don't think we can ever get rid of paper. i like reading long papers too but it's really hard to keep track of. and so you kind of need to reduce the amount and keep track and in terms of the tablets being something that you can hack, yes, but there are definitely mitigation measures you can make and we have been in the intelligence community, no longer there but when i was in charge of the president's daily brief since 2012 we've been using tablets and things like -- and we have other kinds of ways of preventing hacking. so there are things you can do. >> all right.
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norm, so we now have a trump case, a biden case, two special counsels there and now a pence case, so are we heading toward another special counsel, and i mean is that going to be now the response every time that a former official finds classified documents somewhere where they shouldn't be? >> abby, there's no question, the pressure is on attorney general merrick garland to treat the pence case as he treated the biden and the trump cases, but it's not assured that we'll have a special counsel because as the attorney said yesterday, what doj does is try to look at every case on the facts and on the law. we need to know more details about pence, it's more likely than not that we are going to get a third special counsel to look at the pence situation and one other thing that can and should happen on solving the problem of these runaway
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classified documents, when i was in the white house counsel's office i was the office's representative for drafting the current executive order 13526 that governs the handling of these documents. let's just add a sixth chapter that says that when a president or vice president is leaving, all documents and electronic materials are segregated and the national archives reviews them before the president or the vice president takes anything with them. president biden could do that with a stroke of a pen and further signal his cooperation in the seriousness so there are solutions besides just appointing another special counsel. >> all right, norm eisen and beth sanner, thank you both very much. still ahead for us, it turns out that avengers star jeremy renner is a bit of a superhero in real life too. we'll have new details about the actor's horrific snowplow incident and how he's recovering.
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there are new details about actor jeremy renner's horrific snowplow accident. the avengers star was a real-life hero. it turns out he was trying to stop that snowcat from hitting one of his family members when he was crushed himself. cnn's lisa france is following this story for us. lisa, some of these details are really horrific. what more are you learning about how this accident happened? >> reporter: the authorities are telling us, abby, that the avengers would be proud of renner as he stopped the
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snowplow from hitting his adult nephew. he had used the snowcat to keep -- to get his nephew's vehicle removed and what happened was the parking brake authorities are telling us was not engaged and there was an issue with the parking brake light so they say mechanical failure may 15 factored in. in an attempt to stop it renner apparently climbed up on the track to get back into the cab of the snowcat and he was pulled under the machine into it and crushed. so he's very fortunate that he was able to be saved. his nephew was able to stay with him. of course, they got him to the hospital. he was in icu. also in the hospital for more than two weeks under going at least two surgeries we know of and very fortunate to still be alive. >> really kind of a miracle here. lisa, thanks. >> thank you. justin bieber just got a whole lot richer, $200 million to be exact. he's joining the list of artists who are selling their music catalogs. cnn's tom foreman is here to
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explain what is going on here. tom, what does this all mean for justin bieber and his music? >> well, it means he's doing really well. $200 million from this company called hypnosis that is h-i-p, nosis. i see what you did this. that includes almost 300 s songs -- last album "justice" did well and get the money from all plays of this, it's st streaming, on a disc, this company now gets for this $200 million a share of all that. that's how they would reap the rewards from having bought the details of justin's book out there, abby. >> okay, so we've been hearing a lot about this, it seems, recently and he's not the only artist doing it. who else is out there selling their catalogs and i mean i'm actually confused. why would he not want to get
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that money himself from all the plays? >> well, that's an excellent question. partially it has to do with the changing nature of the music business. yeah, they're looking at catalogs, there are books of their work and saying, i want to sell this. the boss bruce springsteen born to run to the bane, $550 million for this. the estate of david bowie, 250 million. 200 million bob dylan, 150 million for neil young, 50% of his catalog, 100 million for justin timberlake, dr. dre apparently in talks for about 200 million. these numbers are squish? because we don't know the details. why would you do this, though? the reason you would do this is because, 1, lump sum, invest in films and other companies, studios, artists, you got to work with. unpredictable tours which used to just from the album, the tours are themselves huge endeavors that produce a lot of income but are unpredictable and
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may be tax benefits. do all this if you're justin bieber, think back to your song peaches from justice, you could buy 245 million peaches with that money depending on the size of the peach, might be 350 million peaches but that's a lot. >> that is a lot of peaches. that's a lot of peaches. down in georgia. tom foreman, thank you very much. and now the governor of virginia is calling this a human rights violation. a number of schools in the state are now under investigation for allegedly failing to give students their national merit scholarship recognitions fast enough. more details next. round cleans better by surroundi each tooth. so clean, you'll feel like you just left the dentist.
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virginia school merit scandal seems to be growing. another county has admitted it was late in notifying students about their national merit recognition. it started with a controversy in fairfax county and there's an investigation underway to determine if this violated the students rights. we spoke exclusively to the fairfax county school superintendent about these some parents are calling intentional. sweetie the battle over national merit
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honor shaking up virginia school districts break spirit to characterize that as a golden ticket would not be accurate. >>reporter: the superintendent michelle reed in her first media interview responding to criticism from the governor who campaigned on changing education in virginia. slamming dozens of high schools were failing to notify high schools of their psat scores or accommodations as part of the merit scholarship competition. >> it impacts her ability to apply for college, scholarships and this idea of a golden ticket as it is called was withheld from them. >> we did not receive it until november 21 after the deadline has passed for early admissions and acceptance. so we don't know. we're still waiting to hear back from colleges. speak to the governor arguing the accommodations were held intentionally to avoid hurting the feelings of those who did not win recognition. >> they have a maniacal outlook on equal outcomes for students at all costs. >> what i mean is for each and every student to achieve their unique potential.
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>> part of the thing that has so many up in arms this was not human error this was intentional effort. what is your response to that? >> we celebrate each and every one of our students unique contributions and achievements and there is no division wide effort to withhold recognition or not to honor hard work and achievement. >>reporter: the attorney general is investigating high schools across fairfax counties after eight of them delayed students who had been commended including thomas jefferson high school for science and technology. the top ranked high school in the country. >> we did initiate a third-party review. >>reporter: reed said the delay was likely due to human error. >> we committed to contacted colleges and universities for the early action early decision schools that otherwise are commended scholarships may not have the information notified. >>reporter: lost our students who were recognized rationally out of the ? actually left out
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of the competition for scholarships. >> i think i may have thrown it away. i didn't put it anywhere in my honor section for college apps. >> governor glenn young proposed legislation in the general assembly that would require schools to immediately notify commended students. for her part superintendent reed said her office is drafting divisionwide guidance to do just that to make it mandatory so this doesn't happen again. there also going to try to work with the national merit scholarship corporation to implement a more layered notification strategy so not just sending it in the mail to the school principal but incorporating emails to make sure those students get the information. >> thank you for that great report. the news will continue after the break.
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