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cnn faced a couple years ago in shin joao reporting on sensitive stuff. but now everything is considered sensitive. >> selina wang, i really appreciate what you do. thank you. coming up next, new developments in the tyre nichols case, the man who died after confrontation with memphis police. we're awaiting video of the confrontation to be released, but in the meantime, news about an autopsy ahead. rent - a - car. you don't want a friend. you want the friend. you don't want a job. you want the job. the is always over a. that's why we don't offer a car. we offer the car. ♪ sixt. rent the car. eva's about to learn her fear of missing out leads to overating. i totally eat stuff to not miss out. ♪ that's just a bit of
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just a note on that last piece from selina wang from government minders following her move, we just learned halfway through her piece as it was airing in china, government sensors blocked our signal. turning to memphis, tennessee, funeral arrangements were made for the death of tyre nichols. the black man died after a traffic stop in memphis, tennessee, suffered extensive bleeding caused by severe beating. the memphis police department has fired officers, all of whom are black, for the the department says violating duties, duty to intervene and duty to render aid.
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tonight, the police department is releasing video of the encounter. what are you hearing about the next steps in this investigation, shimon? >> reporter: right, the next steps are two things here, anderson, this release of this video, the body camera footage showing this brutal beating of tyre nichols. and also charges, whether or not the district attorney is going to file charges against those officers. both of these decisions can come at any point now. you know, there are some indications that it could happen before the end of the week. certainly communities here are bracing for that. but those are the two big next steps here, the district attorney, whether or not they're going to file charges, and then the release of this body camera footage, anderson. >> and have authorities laid out a key timeline. there seem to be key details about that night that are still missing. >> reporter: certainly there are.
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there are a lot of questions about what exactly what happened, exactly how everything occurred from the first encounter with tyre nichols when they pulled him over to the choice to them finding him again. it seems he had disappeared at one point. they found him again and there was another chase. and what happened during all of that time. the other thing that's important that we don't really know about is the aid. what kind of medical aid did the police, did the emts who were on scene, who were suspended, what kind of medical aid did they render tyre nichols as he lay there? and what step did say they take after that? was he brought to the hospital? when he was brought to the hospital? and certain questions of the timeline and what police did and what actions they took and all of those moments. we still don't have the very basic answers to all of that. and hopefully in the coming days, someone from here in memphis, one of the city officials, will be able to talk about it. but right now, they're not answering any questions, anderson.
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>> well, you heard from the u.s. attorney from the western district of tennessee today about developments in the case. what did he say? >> well, this was really meant, anderson, endi think, to calm t dmien down, to reassure them that not only is there this district attorney and a state investigation, but the feds are now involved, doing their own criminal investigation, the civil rights investigation, which is a criminal probe. so, they came out today, the u.s. attorney, which really doesn't happen often in these cases because they understand about how upset this community is, how worried they are over what happened. but also because officials here are concerned over their reaction that people in the community will have to seeing this brutal video. so, the u.s. attorney today came out, said -- told the community, look, we're on this. we're still investigating this with the fbi. our investigation is still going forward. and please stay calm no matter what and know that we are working on getting the answers for you, anderson. >> all right.
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shimo shimon prokupecz. mr. turner, appreciate you being with us. do you have a sense of when the video might be released? >> well, as was just stated, they're waiting until the, i guess, indictment comes forth. and that could happen any time now. the d.a. specifically spoke to the fact that he did not want to compromise the investigation. and i think he spoke to the fact that if the video came out, the defendants may try to curtail their testimony or statements about what happened to align with the video to better assist their case. so, d.a. moore roy talked to the family and asked for a more time, until the investigation was completed. they said yes to the request. so, we support the family and attorney crump. everyone wants to see the video. we know that it will be horrendous. and we are trying to prepare
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ourselves to see the video. but we do want to make sure that the case is rock solid. >> you met the family monday night right after they first saw the video. how did they respond to it? and do you know how -- i mean, how did they respond to it? does it answer questions that are out there? >> yes, they were devastated. at the press conference a couple of days ago, they got into detail. they didn't get into too much detail. but they did state that mm mr. nichols was only feet away from his em ho. he cried out for his mother three times before he died. he was a good person, a good son. you heard the mother. she stated there was no criminal background. he was not out there doing things he shouldn't be doing. he was going to work at fedex. he was living his life. she was a skateboarder,
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non-threatening. for this to have happened to her son, she was just devastated. i applaud her for holding it together. >> as far as the timeline of events, do you feel like investigators have shared the full picture of what happened? >> i think there's still more that has to come out. the full picture has not been disclosed. there were two other first responders who have just been suspended in addition to the five officers because they didn't render aid quickly enough. so, the investigation is still unraveling. there's still more facts that are coming out, and we're just bracing ourselves for when the video footage comes out. but we know and we are pretty sure that there will be an indictment. the five officers were fired, so the memphis police department has moved quickly to address this situation. and we're just going to wait and see what the video shows. and we're going to support the family of tyre nichols because they need our support.
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>> straurner, i appreciate your time. thank you. perspective from two criminal defense attorneys, and joey jackson. joey, how long do you expect an investigation to take? the u.s. attorney for the western district, i think it was, of tennessee, said that the federal civil rights investigation will be methodical, in his word, and also thorough. >> it will take as long as necessary in order to get to the facts. remember there's two things that are happening. the first thing is that the state certainly has an obligation and a responsibility for those that live there to provide facts, to evaluate had the facts are, to make a determination as to whether or not there's a case here. when you look from a state perspective, you see different charges the state can put forward in terms of murder, manslaughter, whatever else they determine. was he detained unlawfully? was aid rendered appropriately? did anybody fail to act or intervene? and you have a federal investigation. why is that significant? because the federal government
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has a place. no one should be deprived civil rights and liberties. we won't prejudge. we'll make a determination when all the facts come, to your question. a person has a right not to really be impeded with excessive force like this. you have a fourth amendment right against search and seizure. you have a right to due process without -- you know, when your life, liberty, interests are at stake. so, they'll investigate. there will be a determination as to whether there should be state prosecution, and the federal government will see what if any role they'll play as well. >> mark, the attorney investigations have conducted the inquiry into the officers and it resulted in them being fired. why would that only result in them being fired -- where did the charges come in? >> well, i think that's the first thing that they can do, anderson, which is to tell the agency they've acted in such a way in dereliction of their duties, in violation of their
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rules that they should no longer be police officers. that's one of the first steps that can be done, certainly not going to be the last step by the tennessee bureau. you're right. they will continue to look forward into the investigation into potential criminal charges. again, there are a number of forums in which these people may well be held responsible. the federal side, which joey talked about, the state side, which is going to be most significant. the hope is, although we all want answers and we want it quickly, that the time is given to investigators to do what they do best. and that is to do everything they need to do to make their case as solid as possible. the kohberger case, people were complaining that it seemed like nothing was getting done. but yet now we realize how much work was being done. i'm presuming that all of these agencies are doing an extraordinary amount of work under quick time line to try to get all this done. >> and the body camera images just for investigators would be obviously incredibly important. >> it's compelling. what will happen is they'll evaluate that and they'll make a few assessments. the first thing is were the
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officers at any point in immediate fear of, you know, their life or serious physical injury. the second thing to look at is the proportionality of the force they used. what kind of force did they use and was it proportionate to any threat posed, if any? and they'll look to the reasonability of their actions. that video tape will be telling as to what conduct was engaged in and whether or not it was appropriate. clearly this was excessive. the autopsy referenced it as horrific. how did we get to that point? i think the video will explain a lot of that. >> attorneys for the nichols family said nichols was defenseless the entire time, he was a human pinata for those police officers. what do you think the officers' defense -- what have past officers' defense been on videos? the rodney king one is the most famous one, and officers' lawyers in court were able to explain the a jury blow by blow
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and make a jury see it their way. >> and what they try and suggest is the officers did only what they thought they needed to do under the then-existing circumstances that they'll say, none of us were there. it was a very fluid, dangerous situation. they did what they had to do but only did it in response to what the arrestee, the assailant, supposedly did. and fortunately that body cam is going to be very helpful. the defense attorney is going to try and allege, try and suggest, that you can only look at it through the eyes of the cops that were there reacting to what was being done to them. and that's traditional, almost temperate defense in a case like this. >> joey, one of the officers was defendant in a lawsuit when he was a corrections officer. would that be a factor? would that be something that they would look at or take into account? >> they certainly would look at it. whether it sees the light of day is another issue.
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i think the defense attorneys like mark and myself would make motions to preclude. what am i talking about? trials have to be about the events that occurred then. what someone's actions were in another time may not be telling as to specifically what they did here. prosecutors will say, wait a second, mr. defense attorney, this is about his mow dus op ren die and it's about his conduct in the past to demonstrate what his conduct is here. the defense attorneys will move to preclude that to say focus on the facts that occurred, even though those facts seem to be very disturbing in a minimum and it's a lot to explain when you look at an autopsy that says what it says and a family that's been beaten like a pinata. >> thank you. coming up next, more questions for congressman george santos, beyond lies about his life. these are about campaign money. and we'll hear from the repu republican congresswoman who is
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there are more questions for new york run can congressman george santos, including the $700,000 he previously claimed he lent his campaign. but apparently not anymore. new ftc filings suggest he did. there were claims he was mugged in 2021, and the muggers stole his shoes rngs he says. also his claims he survived an
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attempt on his life. although he didn't want to talk about it today with cnn's manu raju. >> why didn't you file a police report about your assassination attempt that allegedly happened? what about being mug snd why didn't you file a police report about that? i have not heard a single report. >> no real answers from the congressman on those questions about his claims. there is nothing, though, absurd about campaign finance. jessica dean joins us now with more on his answers about that. what did congressman santos have to say about these amended ftc reports. >> reporter: not a ton of answers coming from the congressman today. he previously said he persona loaned his campaign $700,000. they amended the ftc filings,
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and the part where you would part that it comes from personal funds is now not marked. so, that's the big change. and there's been a lot of questions about where that money came from in the first place. and now this change in was it personal, was it not. our colleague manu raju asked him about this as well, and i'll let you see how that went. >> why did you amend your fec reports. >> i don't amend anything. i don't touch anything. right? don't be disingenuous and report that i did because you know that every campaign hires i fiduciaries. i'm not aware of that answer and will have an answer regarding the press announcement from yesterday. >> reporter: he often likes to tell the press that he'll be talking to us in the coming days, that he'll have answers tomorrow. and that has been going on now for weeks and weeks and weeks. and also important to remember that he pushed this off on fiduciaries, on others, that it was not him that made these
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changes or was responsible. >> a political treasurer listed santos as overseeing his accounts without his authorization. >> right. and that's why it's so important because now we're learning this wisconsin-based political treasurer is saying he was listed on these reports -- is saying through a lawyer that he never agreed to be listed as his treasurer, to act as his treasurer. so, this is obviously a giant discrepancy. this lawyer telling cnn that they had a conversation with santos representatives on monday, saying they would not agree to serve as treasurer. and yet there is what this lawyer is calling a disconnect between that conversation and what got filed in these fec reports. and anderson, to your point from earlier, you just don't mess around with these federal documents. if you are caught lying on these, that is a very, very, very serious federal crime. >> speaker mccarthy discussed the situation today.
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do we know anything about that, what he said? >> we know a little bit about that. this is the conference meeting they all come together. we do know he did talk a little bit about this. the bottom line is he said there is a difference between lying and committing a crime. and committing a crime is what gets you kicked off your committee. and he reiterated this public stance he's had again and again, which is the voters -- it's up to the voters. they put him into the office. it's up to the voters to get him out of office. if he is found by the ethics committee to have committed a crime, he will be removed. that's going to take a long time for that process to play out. at this point he's going to stay on in congress. and he's been assigned a couple of committees and the work will continue for him. >> so, lies are okay, just not a crime. jessica dean, thanks very much. to help understand how republicans in the house are approaching this, we're joined by joe walsh, who currently hosts "the white flag" podcast. across the board, it seems a
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complete mess with santos. how does this compare to other ethically challenged liars you've seen? >> anderson, that's such a great question. look, this should matter. his fec filings should matter. it looks like -- and there ought to be an fec full investigation or full audit. it looks like there are major fec vie lolations here. but will that matter to kevin mccarthy and house republicans? anderson, i doubt it, because we now know the lying doesn't matter. the lying doesn't matter at all. and the lying doesn't matter in this party for a lot of reasons, anderson. but we have to keep reminding ourselves that the leader of this party remains donald trump. and so it's really difficult for republicans to penalize another republican for lying when donald trump is its leader. >> regarding the fec and finance
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laws, i mean, are the punishments for that all that severe? are they financial? are they -- is it really anything to be concerned about? >> typically not. typically fec violations can be a slap on the wrist, anderson, to members of congress. but looking at what santos did, my god, these the sloppiest filings we've ever seen. or there's some real campaign finance fraud going on here. >> i want to play some -- yeah? >> but kevin mccarthy is the speaker, anderson. he needs -- all he cares about is remaining speaker. so, he's not going to do anything to santos unless literally there are serious financial crimes he's committed. >> i want to play something that speaker mccarthy said last night about restoring integrity to the house intelligence committee by stripping committee assignments away from certain democrats. >> this is not anything
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political. this is not similar to what the democrats did. but integrity matters. and they have failed in that place from adam schiff using a position of the intel chair, lying to the american public again and again. >> i'm wondering what you make of that. it's interesting him calling out what he says are lies in that case. >> anderson, when i listen to mccarthy there, it just doesn't -- it doesn't sound like him. i served with mccarthy. that's -- that's not him. i think kevin mccarthy knows that what he's doing to adam schiff and swalwell is wrong. but mccarthy has no choice because he won't be speaker if he's not seen as fighting these fights. and we make a big mistake on tv and in the media when we think that there are only 15 to 20
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mega-extremists in the house republican conference. remember, the vast majority of that conference is now maga. the vast majority of house republicans are election deniers or january 6th sympathizers. mccarthy doesn't have just a couple crazies like lauren boebert to deal with. it's his whole conference. >> joe walsh, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. more from capitol hill ahead. more on speaker mccarthy's decision on these democrats. we'll talk with the republican congresswoman who is speaking out about the politics at play next.
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today, representatives swalwell and smith stood in unity after kevin mccarthy denied two of the democrats their committee seats and vowed to block the other. >> drop this journey of vengeance. the three of us have chosen to stick together because this isn't about any individual committee assignment. this is about an institution where the speaker of the house is using his power to go after
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his political opponents and to pick them off the field. >> mccarthy officially denied schiff and swalwell seats on the house intelligence committee saying, quote, i cannot put partisan loyalty ahead of national security. mccarthy says he'll hold a vote to remove omar from the house affairs committee. the question is who will back him. one republican has indicated she, congresswoman victoria sparks from indiana. i appreciate you being with us. when he says he's blocking swalwell and schiff for reasons of national security and not out of retaliation, do you think that's true? >> i think regardless what he does and what is the reasons -- and i understand the frustration. what speaker pelosi did was unprecedented last congress. but i think we have to respect the rule of law and proper due process. i think speaker mccarthy needs to go to the ethics committee
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and make his case. the other side should have the ability to defend themselves. we have the presumption and rule of law. we are not going to be tit for tat and mob rule. that's what the other side is doing. we will then be also hypocrites saying we're defending our constitutions and our values of due process and rule of law. and i think it's sad for me to see that we're doing it and makes it look like hypocrites. >> the speaker, you know, was able to unilaterally block those appointments to the intelligence committee. he's going to need a full house vote to congresswoman ilhan omar from serving, which he's vowed to do because of past anti-semitic comments she's apologized for. is that the case tonight, and do you think he has the votes to keep her off that committee? >> i'll tell you something. he needs to decide how he wants to govern. and we need the send examples of
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really a really serious institution. i'm not here to defend what people said. they have to defend the statement. i am very polar opposite in a lot of views with representative omar on israel, as i am with representative marjorie taylor greene on russia/ukraine. i still stood up last congress and defended the lack of due process and what was doing with marjorie. so, i cannot be hypocrite and say right now that marjorie taylor greene and president trump didn't have proper due process but it's okay for democrats not to have it. you ought to have values. if you believe in this constitutional republic, if you believe that the law governs and we don't have kings and queens and we don't have -- then you have to stick with that. otherwise, people will lose credibility and will have a lot of important investigations. and people will not trust us. >> i want to also ask you about ukraine. you're ukrainian born. and tonight president zelenskyy said the decision by united states and germany to send
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battle tanks to his country proves, quote, freedom is getting stronger. how do you think it will boost the morality of ukrainian citizens? >> i think it's important to send. but it's another situation where we have to decide what our strategy really is because death by thousand cuts is really going to cost a lot of lives and cost a lot of money. and generally dictatorships like russia are much, you know, easier for them to have, play chess and have longer games than for democracy. democracy is probably much better. and my job would be to do more preventive things and play checkers than chess. so, i think, you know, the strategy can cost us lives and cost a lot of money. and we need to be much smarter. it took us a while. we had this discussion. i met with germans many months ago, and there was a lot of politics in that. but i think we need to go beyond
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politics because it's a serious situation. and we need to do to russia aggression and a lot of things could be done much faster and much more proactive way. >> how do you mean done faster and more proactively? what would playing checkers actually look like? >> well, we've been talking about these tanks in the spring. we've been talking about this in the summer. we were talking about -- everything gets a lot of time to get anything approved. so, we're talking almost a year since this war started, and we're still talking about just approval. it will take time to train people, to actually -- for people to maintain and even deliver them. so, it's going to be a while. and there are a lot of things that are going to happen this winter. we have long discussions, you know, what we're going to do with artillery and what kind of things we can do to deter through the aggressions and show that russia understand that we're serious and get to the table so we can deescalate. >> i appreciate it.
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thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, legal action after a 6-year-old shot a teacher. details next. hi, susan. honey. yeah. i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry.
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tonight the school board in new port, virginia, fired its superintendent in a 5-1 vote. it's the latest fallout from the shooting of an elementary schoolteacher by a 6-year-old. an assistant principal also resigned today as the teacher plans legal action and the attorney says the school had ample warning the boy had a gun. brian todd has more. >> this should have never happened. it was preventable. and thank god abby is alive. >> the attorney for abby zwerner, the teacher shot and wounded by a 6-year-old student in her class says she will file a lawsuit. >> had the school administrators acted in the interest of their teachers and their students, abby would not have sustained a gunshot wound to the chest.
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a bullet that remains dangerous ri inside her body. >> the attorney alleging a d dramatic timeline of warnings. zwerner warned the 6-year-old threatened to beat up another student. >> they didn't remove the student from the classroom. >> another teacher searched the boy's backpack, suspecting he had brought the gun to school and put it in his pocket before recess. >> the administrator down played the report from the teacher and the possibility of a gun saying, and i quote, well, he has little pockets. this is outrageous. >> reporter: around 1:00 p.m., a third teacher told administrators a distressed student confessed to seeing the gun at recess. >> did administrators call the police? no. did administrators lock down the school? no. >> reporter: diane tus cano says another teacher was denied
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permission to search the child. >> he was told to wait the situation out because the school day was almost over. >> reporter: cnn reached out to the school district, which declined to comment. at a special meeting tonight, the school board voted to approve a separation agreement with superintendent george parker and appointed him interim superintendent. >> effective february 1, 2023, dr. parker will be relieved of his duties as superintendent. >> a move parents are calling for. >> different principal, different administration. >> reporter: thomas briton's son is in the same class as the alleged shooter but wasn't in school that day. his response to the allegations -- >> i told my wife after i saw it -- i'll leave the expletives out. but i can't believe someone could be so blase or callus with the safety. what is their job? >> reporter: today's allegations likely little comfort for the students and parents getting their first chance since the
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shooting to return to the school this afternoon. not for classes but for a short reorientation, an effort to give students and staff what may feel like a far off sense of normalcy. >> my son is still scared. he was crying about three nights ago about this. and he wants to go back to school, but he just wants to know that he's going to be safe. >> reporter: and we've just learned from the newport news public school system that the assistant -- has resigned. meanwhile, the attorney for the family of the 6-year-old shooter sent an email to cnn in response to the pending lawsuit in the latest allegations saying that the family continues to pray for abby zwerner. >> trev lugs nare ai language model creates a buzz in the tech industry, as experts question implications for the future of human communication. we'll explain who or whether what wrote what i just said. that tease for that next story in just a moment.
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ai has the ability to respond oh prompts in human-like matter. a leading expert on ai and technology. what i just said, what i just read i didn't write that and my staff didn't write that. no human wrote it it was written by a new online tool a program you can find on the web that will compose anything you ask it in this case, we asked simply quote, how would anderson cooper at cnn introduce a segment on gpd with professor scott galoway, and that popped out. and it could have been by anybody here. it's a little too formal i would have change some writing on it but it's remarkable. the key is whatever it writes is original. the applications are much broader, something microsoft certainly is believing and a multi-billion dollars investment this week in the parent company, open ai that invested more than
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a billion, and there are times put it at 10 billion dollars this new round of investment by microsoft. we wanted to talk to professor could the galoway about this. so i mean, that intro, which is just a small little thing, it's kind of remarkable that this ai program certainly for public person like me, anything you have said, for instance, i could write a speech as scott galoway. >> yes, i mean, first off, good to see you, anderson. but it's that opening statement was both remarkable and it was wrong. i am not an expert in ai and there's absolutely no evidence that would lead a thoughtful human to believe who was writing or copied that i am an expert, the think about >> you did talk about ai so maybe it's just maybe it's just being nice to you. >> yes, that is an incredible -- that is an incredibly loose term, use of the term expert.
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that's sort of ai it's believable enough when you think what you're reading is true when, in fact, it gets things wrong, over time, you gets more and more correct, if you will, but i've never seen a technology that's entered the hype cycle this quickly. took spotify 150 days to get to a million user, took instagram 75 days, took chat gpt five day, this is an exciting technology but it's, you know, your intro, everyone is playing around with these intro and applications now >> schools are, you're you know, teach at nyu, schools are concerned and trying to adapt, you know, i mean, it's tempting for any student to just have an ai program write an essay for them. >> yeah, i think that's an easy problem to highlight. but i think if you really think about what we're trying to do in
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school, trying to get them to be critical thinkers and i think we'll be able to figure out since there's someone immediately wrote an interesting application or that when something was written by ai. we've had plagiarism tools i think it will be an arms race around tools to control or push back on plagiarism or what have you. it's scary, anderson, when you tell it to come up with really effective misinformation around covid vaccines. or you say come up with propaganda or talking points or story to make me feel worse about free elections in america. i think that's where it gets a little bit more frightening. >> there have been cases where gbt refused to cooperate with researchers asked the system can you write an article from the perspective of former president trump wrongfully claiming that
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former barack obama had been born in kanye and saying it was debunk and baseless can you teach a system to recognize conspiracy there's and misinformation. >> i think it comes down to incentives, right now, google uses ai and misinformation spreads wildly on google and meta because the incentives are to spread whatever information or misinformation creates more engagement end ragement so the if the incentives on front end many dominate our information third of us get news from social media is to insure that people aren't getting misinformation or ai misinformation or human driven misinformation they will figure the motives, i don't think it's about the technology, it's about the incentives. >> i wonderful if we even at this stage and it is so early days on this, have a grasp on what two years, three years this will look like. you've talked about some of the
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like the dolly programs some visual programs where you can put in a bunch of different things like you know, a version of star wars and you get these incredible images of fictional star wars movie as he would have done it but which never happened and it's, i mean, the images are extraordinary. but what does that do to actual artists and like the ripple effects of this are hard to sort of wrap your mind around. >> that's a correct question. there's class action suits on behalf of artists saying these design tools are learning off of, if you will, leveraging the previous work and they should be paid for it. so it will will raise all kinds of issue, whenever there's a new technology, printing press or combustion engine or robotics we
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talk about the jobs displaying and threats but traditionally it's created prosperity, you can imagine data sets of our health records if he did into a ai system helps predict cancer or whatever, what we haven't been good at is insuring people displaced have we reinvest them and have a shot to be retrained or what it means when you displays the factory worker >> scott galoway, thank you so much >> the news continues, laura coates is next after a short break. ♪. ♪. ♪.
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