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airing in china, government censors blocked our signal. we will keep on reporting from there. turning now to memphis, tennessee, late today, funeral arrangements were made public in the death of tyre nichols. -- for next wednesday. the black man died two weeks ago during a conversation with police during a traffic stop in memphis, tennessee. according to a an autopsy commissioned by attorneys for the -- the memphis police department has fired five officers, all of whom are black, who the department says -- excessive use of force, duty to intervene and duty to render aid. tonight, the city is bracing for the release of video of the encounter. cnn's shimon prokupecz is in memphis tonight. he joins us now. listen, what are you hearing about the next up in this investigation? >> right. so, the next steps are two things here, anderson. it's this release of this video, the body camera footage showing this brutal beating of tyre nichols. and also charges -- whether or not the district attorney is going to file charges against those officers. both of these decisions can come at any point now.
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there's some indications that it could happen before the end of the week. certainly, communities here are bracing for that. but those are the two big neck steps here, it's the district attorney, whether or not they are going to file charges, and then the release of the body camera footage. >> shimon, have authorities laid out a clear timeline of events? there seem to be key details of what happened at night that are still missing. >> well, certainly there are, anderson. there are a lot of questions over what happened here. and exactly how everything occurred, from the first encounter with tyre nichols, when they pulled him over, to the chase, to then them finding him again. it seems he had disappeared at one point. and then they found him again. and then there was another case -- and what happened during all of that time the other thing that's important that we don't really know about is, the aid. what kind of medical aid did the police, did the emts, who were on scene, who were suspended --
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what kind of medical aid did they render to tyre nichols as he lay there? and what steps they take after that? was he rushed to the hospital? when he was brought to the hospital -- and then just, specific, certain questions of the timeline, and what police did, and what actions they took, and all of those moments -- we still don't have the very basic answers to all of that. and hopefully, in the coming days, someone from here in memphis, one of the city officials, will be able to talk about it. but right now, they are not answering any questions, anderson. >> we heard from the u.s. attorney for the western district of tennessee today about developments in the case. what did he say? >> this is really meant, anderson, i think, to calm the community down, to reassure them that not only is there this da and the state investigation, but the feds are now involved, doing their own criminal investigation, a civil rights investigation, which is a criminal probe. so, they came out today, the u.s. attorney, which really does not happen often in these cases. because they understand how
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upset this community is, how worried they are about what happened. but also, because officials here are concerned over their reaction that people in the community will have to seeing this brutal video. and so the u.s. attorney came out and said he -- told the community, look, we are on this, we are still investigating this with the fbi, our investigation is still going. and please stay calm no matter -- working on getting the answers for you, anderson. >> thank you shimon prokupecz -- mister turner, appreciate you being with us. you have a sense of when the video might be released? >> as was just stated, they are waiting until the, i guess, indictment comes forth -- and that could happen at any time now. the da specifically spoke to the fact that he did not want to compromise the investigation. and i think he spoke to the fact that, if the video came out, the defendants might try to curtail their testimony or
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statements about what happened. to align with the video to better assist their case. and so, da -- talked to the family. and asked for a little more time to withhold footage of the video, until the investigation was completed. they said yes to the request. and we support the family and attorney crump. everyone wants to see the video. we know that it would be horrendous. and we know we are trying to prepare ourselves to see the video. but we do want to make sure that the case is rock-solid. >> with the family on monday night -- right after they first saw the video -- how did they respond to it and -- yeah, how did they respond to it? does it answer questions that are out there? >> yes, they were devastated, at the press conference a couple days ago, they got into
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-- they didn't get into too much detail. but they did state that mr. nichols was only feet away from his home. he cried out for his mother three three times before he died. he was a good person, a good son. you hear the mother. she stated that there was no criminal background. he was not out there doing things that he should not be doing. he was going to work at fedex and he was living his life. he was a skateboarder, non threatening, and for this to have happened to her son, she was just devastated. i applaud her for holding it together. >> as far as the timeline of events, do you feel like investigators have shared the full picture of what happened? >> i think there's more that has to come out. the full picture has not been disclosed. there were two other first responders who have just been suspended, in addition to the five officers, because they did not render aid quickly enough.
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so, the investigation is still unraveling. they are still more facts that are coming out. and we are just bracing ourselves, for when the video footage comes out. but when we know and we are pretty sure that there will be an indictment, the five officers were fired, so the metro police department has moved quickly to address this situation -- we are just going to wait and see what the video shows, and we are going to support the family of tyre nichols because they need our support. >> mr. turner, appreciate your time. -- marco merit, successfully defended george zimmerman in the killing of trevor trayvon martin and cnn legal analyst joey jackson. joey jackson, how do you longview specks investigation -- the u.s. attorney for the western district, i think it was -- a fantasy said that the federal civil rights investigation would be methodical, in his words, and also thorough. >> yeah, so, anderson, it will take a long as long as necessary, in order to get to the facts. remember there are two things
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that happen. the first thing is at the state, certainly, has an obligation and responsibility for those who live there to provide facts, to evaluate what those facts are and to make a determination as to whether or not there is any criminality here. certainly, on the face of it, it looks that way. when you look from a state respective, what you see are different charges that the state can put forward in terms of murder, manslaughter, whatever else they determine. was he detained unlawfully? it was aid rendered appropriately? did anybody fail to act or intervene? and then, of course, as you reference, you have a federal investigation. why is that significant? because the federal government has a place. no one should be deprived of civil rights and liberties. we won't prejudge. we will make a determination when all the facts, whatever that is, to your question. but look, a person has a right to not really be impeded with excessive force like this. you have a fourth amendment right -- search and seizure. you have a right to due process without -- you, know when your life, liberty, interests are at stake. and so they will investigate. there will be a determination
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as to whether there should be a state prosecution, and a federal government will see what role they have to play. -- >> own inquiry into the use of force by the officers. and it resulted in the five of them being. find what does that mean for the federal investigation and vice versa? why would that only result in them being fired -- where did the charges come in? >> i think that is the first thing that they can do, anderson, which is to tell the agency they have acted in such a way in derelection of their, duties in violation of the, rules issuing of orders to the police officer -- i get in, i think that's one of the first apps that can be done. certainly, it's not going to be the last step by the tennessee bureau. because, you are right, they will continue their investigation, to protect the criminal charges. again, there are now a number of forums in which these people may well be held responsible. the federal side, as joey talked about -- the state side, which is going to be most significant. but again, the hope is, though we all want answers and we all
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wanted quickly, that the time is given to the investigators to do what they do best. and that is to do everything they need to do to make the case as solid as possible. remember, the kohberger case, people are complaining that it seemed like nothing was getting done. and yet, we realize how much work was being done. i am presuming that all these agencies are doing an extraordinary amount of work under a quick timeline to try to get all this done. >> until, obviously, the body camera images, just for investigators, would be, obviously, incredibly important. >> it's compelling. what will happen is, they will evaluate. that they will make a few assessments. the first thing, is whether officers at any point in the immediate fear for their life, serious physical injury. the second thing they will look at is the proportionality of the force that they use, what kind of force that they use and was it proportionate to any threat posed, if any? and then they will look to the reasonability of their actions. and certainly, that videotape will be very telling as to what conduct was engaged in and whether or not it was
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appropriate. clearly this was excessive. the autopsy referenced is horrific. and so how did we get to that point? i think the video will explain a lot of it. >> mark, the attorneys for the nichols family, they've been pretty blunt in the description of the altercation, saying that nichols was, quote, defenseless the entire time, he was a human piñata for the police officers. what do you think? the officers defense -- i mean, what i have passed officers defences ban on videos? and obviously, the rodney king when it's probably the most famous one. and officers lawyers in a court were able to explain to a jury blow by blow and make a jury see it their way. >> and what they try to suggest is that the officers did only what the officers thought that they needed to do under the then existing circumstances, that they will say, none of us were there, it was a very fluid, dangerous situation, they did what they had to do, but only did it in response to what the -- rest of the assailants supposedly did. and then, unfortunately, that body cam is going to be very helpful. but yes, the defense attorney --
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allege, try and suggest, that you can only look at it through the eyes of the, cops that were there, reacting to what was being done to them. and that is traditional, almost template, defense, in a case like this. >> true one of the -- i want to make sure i get this -- right he was the defendant in a 2016 federal lawsuit over an alleged inmate beating when he was a corrections officer. with that be a factor, something they would look at? or take into account? >> certainly would look at it. whether it sees the light of it is another issue. what do i mean? i think that the defense attorneys like marco mayer and myself would make motions to preclude. what am i talking about? trials have to be about the events that occurred then. what some of the actions were at another time may not be telling as to specifically what they did here. remember, prosecutors will say, well, wait a second, mr. defense attorney, this is not a common plan or scheme. it's about his modus operandi. and it certainly relevant, his conduct in the past, to demonstrate what his conduct is. now the defense attorneys, certainly, will move to
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preclude that and say focus on the facts as they occurred. even if focusing on those facts, they look to be very disturbing, at a minimum -- and it is a lot to explain when you look at an autopsy that says what it says, and the family that talks about someone who has been beaten, like a pinata. >> mark o'mara, joey jackson, appreciated. thank you. coming, up more questions for congressman george santos, beyond just his lies, about beyond everything to do with his, lies there's his campaign money, and where it came. from a later, republican congresswoman who is opposing the house republican speaker kevin mccarthy on its decision to keep two democrats off the intelligence committee. you get advice like... just stop. go for a run. go for ten runs. run a marathon. instead, start small with nicorette, which will lead to something big.
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this being wednesday there are more questions for your george sanders including have a $700,000 he previously ambulances campaign by the parents not anymore. new fcc filings suggest he did not. then there are his recently uncovered claims that he was mugged in 2021 in broad daylight, on fifth avenue here in new york and the muggers even stole his shoes, he says. also his claims that he survived an attempt on his life, although he did not want to talk about the day with cnn's manu raju. >> why didn't you file a police report about your assassination attempt that allegedly happened? >> what about the mug? why didn't you file a police report about that? >> sorry? >> i have not. i have not -- single authority -- >> did you --
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>> no real answers from the congressman of those questions about his claims. there is nothing, though, absurd about campaign finance. cnn's jessica dean joins us now with answers about that. so, what did congressman santos have to say about these amended reports? >> anderson, as you can imagine, there's not a ton of answers coming from the congressman today. and just to catch everybody up, he had previously said that he personally loaned his campaign some $700, 000, just a little bit over that. well, then they amended these fcc filing just recently just in the past several days. and there are two loans. one for about $500,000 and another one for about $125,000. and the part where you would mark the -- personal funds is now not marked. so, that's a big change. and there's been a lot of questions about where that money came from in the first place. and now, this change in, was it personal? was it not? our colleague manu raju asked him about this as well. and i will let you see how that went. >> why did you amend your ftc -- >> let's make it very clear. i don't amend anything. i don't touch any --
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so, don't be disingenuous and report that i did. because you know that every campaign hires fiduciaries. so, i'm not aware of that answer and i will have an answer for the press regarding the amendments -- >> and just remember, he often likes to tell the press, tell us, anderson, that he will be talking to us in the coming, days that he will have answers tomorrow. and that has been going on now for weeks and weeks and weeks. and also important to remember that he really push this off on fiduciaries, on others, that it was not him at that made these changes or was responsible. >> and understand a political treasure is in that the sanders campaign listed him as a receiver of their political counts without his authorization. >> right. and that's why it's so important he is pointing to these others that are responsible for this. because now we are learning that this wisconsin-based political treasurer is saying he was listed on these reports -- he is saying, through a lawyer, that he never agreed to be listed as his treasurer, to act as his treasurer. so, this is obviously a giant discrepancy. this lawyer telling cnn that they had a conversation with
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santos representatives on, monday saying they would not agree to serve as a treasurer. and yet, there is what his lawyer is calling a disconnect between that conversation and what got filed in these fec reports from earlier. and anderson, to your point earlier, you just don't mess around with these federal documents. if you are caught lying on these, that is a very, very serious federal crime. >> speaking of mccarthy, discussing the sensex sanders situation in close conference today. do we know anything about that? what he said? >> yeah. we know a little bit about. there is a conference meeting that they have where they all come together. we do know that based on some sources in the room that he did talk a little bit about this. but the bottom line about this, he said, the difference between lying and committing a crime. and committing a crime is what gets you kicked off your committees. and he reiterated this public stance that he has, head again and again, which is, the voters -- it's up to the voters, they put him in. it is up to the voters to ultimately kick him out of office. he did say earlier this week, anderson, that if he is found by the ethics committee to have
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committed a crime, that he would be removed. but that is going to take a very long time for that process to even play out at this point. he is going to stay on here in congress and, as we know, he has been assigned to a couple of committees. and the work will continue from that. >> -- just not a crime. jessica dean, thanks very much. to help understand how republicans in the house are approaching all of this, we are joined by former illinois republican congressman joe walsh, currently host of the white flag podcast. congressman walsh, thank you for being with us. first, the -- it seems like there is a complete mess with santos. how does this compare to other ethically challenged liars you have seen? >> anderson, that is such a great question. look, this should matter. his fec filing should matter. it looks like -- and there ought to be an fec full investigation or a full audit. it looks like there are major fec violations here. but will that matter to kevin mccarthy and house republicans? anderson, i doubt it.
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because, we now know the lying does not matter. the lying does not matter at all. and the lying does not matter in this party for a lot of reasons, anderson. but we have to keep reminding ourselves that the leader of this party remains donald trump. and so it's really difficult for republicans to penalize another republican for lying when donald trump is its leader. >> regarding the if ece finance laws, with the punishments for that -- all that severe? are they financial? is it really anything to be concerned about? >> typically not. typically, fec violations can be a slap on the, wrist, anderson, to members of congress. but looking at what santos did, my god, these are the sloppiest
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filings we have ever seen, or there is some real campaign finance fraud going on here. >> i want to -- >> but kevin mccarthy is the speaker, anderson. he needs all he cares about -- is remaining speaker. and so he is not going to do anything to santos unless, literally, there are serious financial crimes he has committed. >> i want to play something that speaker mccarthy said last night about restoring integrity to the house intelligence committee by stripping committee assignments from certain democrats this is not anything political, this is not similar to what the democrats did. but the integrity matters. and they have failed in that place from adam schiff using a position of the intel chair, lying to the american public, again and again. >> i'm wondering what you make of that. it's interesting, him calling out what he says are lies in that case. >> anderson, when i listen to
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mccarthy there, it just -- it does not sound like him. i served with mccarthy. and that is not him. i think kevin mccarthy knows that what he is doing to adam schiff and swalwell is wrong. but mccarthy has no choice. because he won't be speaker if he is not seen as fighting these fights. and we make a big mistake on tv and in the media when we think that there are only 15 to 20 mega extremists in the house republican conference. remember, the vast majority of that conference is now maga. the vast majority of house republicans are election deniers for january 6th sympathizers. mccarthy does not have just a couple of crazies, like lauren boebert, to deal with. it is his whole conference. >> joe walsh, appreciate your time tonight, thank you. more from capitol hill ahead -- on speaker mccarthy's decision
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today representatives eric
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swallow, all adam schiff, and a lot more study -- that block the -- >> throughout this journey of vengeance, the three of us have chosen to stick together, because this is not about any individual committee assignment. this is about an institution where the speaker of the house is using his power to go after his political opponents and to pick them off the field. >> mccarthy officially denied schiff and swalwell seats on the house intelligence committee yesterday saying, quote, i cannot put partisan loyalty ahead of national security. mccarthy says he will hold a vote to remove omar from the house foreign affairs committee. the question is, who in this party will back him? joining us now is one republican who is indicated she won't. congressman john victoria sparks from indiana. congressman sparks, appreciate you being with us. when speaker mccarthy says he is blocking congressman schiff and swalwell from the intelligence committee for reasons of national security and not out of political
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retaliation, do you think that that is true? >> i think, regardless what he does, and what are his reasons, that's -- a lot of frustration. speaker pelosi done was unprecedented last congress. but i think we have to respect the rule of law and property process. i think speaker mccarthy needs to go to the ethics committee, make his case. and the other side should have an ability to defend themselves. to all this had presumption of innocence on rule of -- law we are not going to be -for-tat and mob rule. if that is what the other side are doing, we will then be also hypocrites saying that we are defending our constitution and be defending our values of due process and our rule of law. and i think it's sad for me to see that we are doing it and it makes -- it look like hypocrites. >> the speaker, as you know, was able to unilaterally block those appointments to the
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intelligence committee. it's going to need a full house vote to block congressman ilhan omar from serving on the foreign affairs committee which is that to do because of past antisemitic comments, which she has apologized for. you have said that you won't support the speaker on that. is that still the case tonight? do you think he has the votes to kick her off the committee? >> i will tell you something, that he needs to decide how he wants to govern. and we need to set examples of -- serious institution. and i am not here to defend what people said. they have to defend their statement. i am very polar opposite in a lot of -- representative -- israel, as i am with representative marjorie taylor greene on russia and ukraine. but i still stood up last congress and defended the lack of due process in what was dealing with marjorie -- i cannot be a hypocrite and say right now that marjorie taylor greene and president trump did not have proper due process, but it's okay for democrats not to have that. you either have values, if you believe in this constitutional
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republic, if you believe that the law governs -- that we don't have kings and queens and we don't have top down approaches, then you have to stick with that, otherwise people lose credibility and we will have a lot of reported investigations and people won't trust us. >> i want to also ask you about ukraine. you are ukrainian born into a president zelenskyy said the decision by the united states and germany use and battle tanks to be -- getting stronger. how do you think the decisions to sinks said abrams tanks will boost the -- >> i think it's important to say. but it's another situation. and while we have to decide, what is our strategy really is, because -- death by 1000 cuts is really going to cost a lot of lives and cost a lot of money. and generally, dictatorships, like russia, are much easier for them to have playing chess
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and having a longer games than -- democracy. democracy is probably much better. and my job would be to do more preventive things and play checkers than chess. i think strategy can cost us life and cost a lot of money. and we need to be much smarter and it took us a while. we had this discussion. i met with germans many months ago and there was a lot of politics in that. but i think we need to go beyond politics. because it's a serious situation. and we need to deter russia from aggression, and a lot of things could be done much faster, and much more proactive ways. >> how do you mean done faster and more proactive? what would playing checkers actually look like? >> we have been talking about these tanks in the spring. then we were talking about this in the summer. we were talking about everything -- it gets a lot of time to get anything approved. so, we are talking almost a year since this war started. and we are still talking about just approval, and time to train people, for people to actually maintain and even
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deliver them. so, it's going to be a while. and a lot of things are gonna happen this winter. it's the same like,, we all ida scuffleton -- 's but are we gonna do with artillery, and what kind of, you know, things we can do to deter from the aggressions and make russia understand that were serious, and get to the table, so we can de-escalate. >> congresswoman, i appreciate it. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up, firing and legal action weeks after a six-year-old was -- shot a schoolteacher in virginia. school officials had ample warning that something like this would happen. details next. hi, susan. honey. yeah. i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash?
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>> tonight, the school board in virginia fired its superintendent in a 5 to 1 vote. it's the latest fallout from the shooting of an elementary school teacher by a six year old student almost three weeks ago. the assistant principal also resigned today, as the teacher now plans legal action and her attorney says that the school had ample warning that the boy had a gun, and was threatening people. brian todd has more. >> this should've never happened. it was preventable. thank god abby is alive.
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>> the attorney for abby warner the, teacher shot and wounded by a six-year-old student in her first grade class, says that she will file a lawsuit against the newport news school district. >> had the school administrators acted in the interest of their teachers, and their students, abby would not have sustained the gunshot wound to the chest. a bullet that remains dangerously inside her body. >> attorney diane -- alleging a dramatic timeline of warnings -- 11:59 am, when abby zwerner warranted administrator the six -year-old threatened to beat up another student. >> they did not call security. they did not remove the student from the classroom. >> later, at 12:30, a teacher search the boys backpacks, suspecting he had brought the gun to school and put it in his pocket before recess. >> the administrator downplayed the report from the teacher, and the possibility of a gun, saying, and i quote, well, he has little pockets.
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this is outrageous. >> around 1 pm, a third teacher told administrators a distressed student confessed to seeing the gun at recess. >> did administrators call the police? no. did administrators lockdown the school? no. >> diane tuscano says another teacher was then denied permission to -- cnn reached out to the school district which declined to comment. -- >> we approve the separation agreement and severance with the superintendent. >> at a special meeting tonight, -- and appointed an interim superintendent. >> effective every first, 2023, dr. parker will be relieved of his duties as superintendent. >> a move parents like mark garcia senior are calling for. >> different principle, different administration. >> thomas's son is in the same
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class as the alleged shooter, but wasn't in school that day. its response to the allegations? >> i told my late wife, after i sought, i will leave the expletives out, but i can't believe someone could be so blasé or callous with the safety. like, what is their job? >> today's allegations are likely little comfort for the students and parents getting their first chance since the shooting to return to the school this afternoon. not for classes, but for a short reorientation. an effort to give students and staff what may feel like a far off sense of normalcy. >> my son is still scared. he was crying about three nights ago about this. and he wants to go back to school but he just wants to know that he is going to be safe. >> we have just learned from the newport news public school system that the assistant principal here at the elementary school, evelyn parker, has resigned. meanwhile, the attorney for the family of the six-year-old shooter has sent an email to cnn in response to the pending lawsuit and latest allegations, saying that the family
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good evening. i'm anderson cooper. tonight, we're taking a look at a new technology that's making waves in the world of a. chatgpt, a language model created by open air i, is the ability to respond to prompts and humanlike manner joining us to discuss the implications is professor scott galloway, leading expert on a i
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technology. what i just said and read to you i didn't write that, and my staff didn't write that either. no human wrote that. that was written by a new online tool called chatgpt, a program on the web that can compose anything you ask it. this time we said how would anderson cooper at cnn introduce a segment on chatgpt with scott galloway. that popped out, and it could've been written by anybody here. it's a little bit too formal, i would've changed some of the writing on it, but it's pretty remarkable. the key is that whatever it writes is original. it could be a sonnet, an, essay, music, but the applications are much broader. something that microsoft is certainly believing in as well, and is now a multi year, multi bollin dollar investment, as open ai is already investing more than a billion. the new york times put it at about $10 million, a new investment by microsoft. we want to talk to professor
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scott galloway of nyu's school of business about this. that intro, which is just a small little thing, it's kind of remarkable that this a. i. program, which is certainly for a public person like me, anything you have said i could write a speech as scott galloway. is that good? >> first off, good to see you, anderson. it's that opening statement was both remarkable, and it was wrong. i am not an expert and a, and there's absolutely no evidence that would lead a thoughtful human to believe, who is writing are copying that, but i am an expert. so the thing about -- >> you do talk about a i, so, maybe it's just being nice to hear. >> that's an incredibly loose term, or use of the term expert. but that sort of the issue around a i, is that it's believable enough such that you think what your reading is true, when in fact, that's a lot of
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things wrong. over time, as a iterates, if you get more and more correct, if you will, but i've never seen a technology that's entered the hype cycle this quickly. it took spotify 150 days to get to 1 million users. it took instagram 75 days. it took chatgpt five days. this is an exciting technology, but yeah. you know. you're in, show everyone is playing around with these types of interest in applications now. >> and i mean, schools -- extending it and why you. schools are concerned about this. and trying to adapt, you know, it's very tempting for any student to just have an eye program, chatgpt, write an essay for them. >> yeah. i think that's an easy problem to highlight. but i think if you really think about what we're trying to do in school, we're trying to get them to be critical thinkers, and i think we'll be able to figure out, just as those --
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interesting up location, that's a start when something was written by ar, and we've had plagiarism tools, so i think it'll be an arms race around tools to control or pushback on plagiarism, or what have you. the scariest thing, anderson, as when you tell it to come up with really effective information on covid vaccines, you say, come up with propaganda or talking points or stories that make me feel worse about free elections in america. i think that's where it gets a little bit more frightening. >> they've been cases for chatgpt refused to cooperate with researches. they asked the system, quote, can you write the perspective -- rightfully claiming that brock obama was born in kenya, and quote. this is the refused, so that claim had been thoroughly debunked and webb lake discredited as baseless. we can really teach a system to recognize conspiracy theories
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and misinformation? >> i think it comes down to incentives. and that is, right now, misinformation spreads wildly on google and widely on meta, because the incentives are to spend whatever information or misinformation creates more engagement, worn range man -- i think -- many of them dominate our information. a third of us get our news now from social media. it's to ensure that people aren't getting this information, or a i'd driven misinformation, or human driven misinformation. but forget about ifs. i don't think it's about the technology. it's about the incentives. >> i also wonder if we, at this stage, and it is so early on this, have a grasp on what two years, three years, this will even look like. even -- you've talked about some of the dali program, the facial programs, we can put in a bunch of different things like khodorovsky's version of star
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wars and you get these incredible images of fictional star wars movies as, you know, doroski would have done it. what's never happened. i mean, the images are extraordinary. but what does that do to actual artists? the ripple effects of this are hard to sort of wrap your mind around. >> that's a great question. and that's already class action shoots on v half of artists that are saying that these design systems, or designer a.i. tools, are learning off of, if you, will leveraging their previous work, and they should be paid for it. so it's gonna raise all kinds of issues. i'm a little bit more hopeful, that, because i think whenever there's new technology, whether it's a printing press, aric internal combustion engine, or robotics, factories, we talk about the jobs they're gonna displacing all the threats. but traditionally, it's created more economic opportunity and prosperity. you can imagine data sets of all of our health records being fed into an a i system that
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helps to protect cancer, early onset of dementia, whatever it might be. i think this offers more opportunity like most technologies. what we haven't been good at our society is -- shot to be retrained -- thanks so much. >> thank, you anderson. >> the news continues. cnn tonight with laura coats is next after a short break. ♪customize and save♪ only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty liberty♪ ♪liberty♪ ♪ at morgan stanley, we see the world with the wonder of new eyes, ♪ helping you discover untapped possibilities and relentlessly working with you to make them real. ♪ because grit and vision working in lockstep ♪
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>> but good evening, everyone i'm laura coats, and this is cnn tonight. frankly, it is expected any day, now i'm talking about the release of a video that even before any members of the public had even seen it, led to the firing of five memphis police officers, and to fire department employees. the question is, will it finally show us what happened to 20 nine-year-old tyree