>> but good evening, everyone i'm laura coats, and this is cnn tonight. frankly, it is expected any day, now i'm talking about the release of a video that even before any members of the public had even seen it, led to the firing of five memphis police officers, and to fire department employees. the question is, will it finally show us what happened to 20 nine-year-old tyree

nichols, who was pulled over by police, and three days later was dead after what in an of topsey was called extensive bleeding. it was caused by a severe beating. but will anybody face any charges? plus, some teachers in florida are locking down every book in their classroom libraries. why? out of fear they could face criminal charges if but they let kids read books. but i've not been pretty approved, under some new state law. that's right, how books in a classroom could suddenly break the law. there is a speech on the house floor tonight like nothing that has ever happened before. it was written by an artificial intelligence. it is called chatgpt. tonight, congressman jake will be here to tell us how he used it to write his speech on the floor. we've got a lot to cover tonight, but i want to begin with a concern and anticipation over the release of the video of tyree nichols encounter with police that ended three days later in his death in the firing of five officers and to firemen. that the video might come out any day now, and is expected to

come out anytime now. i want to bring in memphis city councilman jt smiley to the conversation. councilman, but thank you for joining us. i say with a labored but, just thinking about this video coming out. as it's been described at the press conference, by the family, and by the attorneys, what we are likely to see is a stiff stained three-minute long beating of a man, following a traffic stop. i wonder if you have any sense of when this video might really be released, and if it will be released in full. >> first of all, thank you for having. me. you said it right, any dana. the council members were slated to view the video in the next day or so, but we expected the

video footage to come out really soon. >> and you've been able to see, do you believe that the police officers or union in particular might also be viewing it before the public season? will it be you at the same time as the general public? or a short time? >> i believe that the council, along with the co-counsel and attorneys will be viewing it at the same time in order to get a sense of what to expect. we've heard from brian crump, we've heard from his co-counsel as well about what we should expect in relation to the film. it's going to be tough. but especially when you consider the city of memphis, the city of predominantly black folks who do not suspect or expect to be subjected to this type of scrutiny. it's going to be a tough deal for us to watch. >> i spent some time in memphis, it's a beautiful place.

the idea that this is happening in your hometown now is devastating, i'm sure for the community, but also for the greater nation watching as well. just thinking of what might come, and unfortunately, we've become accustomed collectively in this nation to encounters with officers that end in the death of an unarmed person, predominantly black and brown people. is the city doing anything in order to prepare for what the reaction might be for the devastating viewing of the final moments of human beings? but >> absolutely. we are preparing with the relation to what we can do to prevent this to happen ever again. we are drafting legislation to require more transparency so that we can have information related to extensive use complaints coming forward, and any officers associated with

those domestic complaints. in addition to, that we are trying to do it we can, we will not be able to protest because they will be angry. we also want them to do it peacefully, but to make sure that property and people in the city of memphis are safe as we wait for them to be released. >> are you -- excuse me. excuse me, councilman, i do want to cut you off, i apologize for that. are you getting a sense that there are any outside agitators? i know there's been a trend, unfortunately remember in my own hometown of st. paul, minnesota, with the death of george floyd. many other states around this country. there are oftentimes that people have attempted to hijack an otherwise peaceful protest, or try to use it as a protection reason to advance their own agenda. are you hearing anything about outside agitators that might be in the city of memphis, preparing to have their own

version of the protest? >> not necessarily outside protesters, but if you pay attention to the last council meeting, we have had dozens of community members, both at the council meeting, and voicing their process. they're demanding the release of the film, and i hope that we essentially comply with the public's request. this type of information should be public, and we should do everything that we can in order to give the people what they want, and also to give people that live in the city of memphis safety in their homes. >> we have some sound from that very public hearing, let's play a little bit for the audience's perspective as well. >> we pay for these cameras. we want to see what is going on. >> we want the footage now!

we want it now! are you really employing people that think it's okay to beat the [bleep] out of folks! >> city councilman, people are angry. i understand that the reason why, you're actually planning to introduce a motion that would require memphis police to collect data regarding traffic stops and arrests, and use of force, and also complaints. obviously, in the interest of transparency, and in response to what the constituents would like to need to have to feel safe? why would that make a difference, in the sense? >> if you know who the bad actors are, you can weed them out before they ever find themselves in the situation that perpetuates such a violent crime in this era. my goal, and the goal of other

people is to figure out what we can do in order to stop this type of actors going forward. transparency is at the top of the list. if we know the police officers are being constantly accused of excessive force complaints, it's likely that those officers are potential perpetrators of incidents like this. >> councilman, thank you so much for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> here with me in the studio, cnn's law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, justin hansford, a law professor at howard university, an executive director of the marshall civil rights center, and rayshone right, dr. rayshone wray as a senior fellow at the -- he's also with us. i want to get a sense, let me turn to you first, doctor wray, about this because you and the work that you have done, as a sociologist and beyond. you have worked with police officers in training. for every instance where you have fourth amendment, constitutional violations that have been alleged, and

excessive force, and duty to intervene and not doing so. it comes to an opportunity for training as well. tell me, when you hear about this case, what is your reaction? three minutes allegedly of a sustained beating following a traffic stop. >> i think the first thing that people have to think about is the length of that. as you were saying before, that's the length of the time that a person would be -- and have five people beating on you. people have to think about that. in the research we've done at the university of maryland and at brookings institution, one thing that we found is that black officers actually have similar attitudes, and similar behaviors as white officers. that is something that is very important for people. i think up to this point, a lot of the narratives that we have seen and heard in the cases that we have actually seen, oftentimes white officers have

black victims. what we found in the research is that the behavior becomes pretty similar. the fact that there are five black officers engaging in this, i think that that is one thing that and nerves people. in the research, there is something that is very common to look at. i think the other things that are important is the fact that they have not released the body camera footage. we heard from individuals at the city council meeting that there should probably should be legislation about the length of time but the city and police department have to release that information. other jurisdictions have, that but give them some credit. that is part of a place that i call home. i went to the university of memphis, i'm from there. one of the things that need to happen, fire the officers. they showed the family the video, and they're about to release it publicly. i think that a lot of people think criminal charges will be forthcoming.

>> on that point, the idea that the pacing and of events that we are seeing right now, we are seeing some development in terms of the transparency that really has not traditionally been provided in other cases. this is not simply anecdotal, this is part of a larger trend. in terms of the way that people think about this, but in terms of the potential criminal charges, walk me through you are thinking. you think that there could be charges forthcoming? what might be some of the defenses that could be raised in a case like this? >> excuse me. i do think that there are a lack of charges forthcoming, in part because of the swift firing of the officers, who do

not see the traditional statements from the police union rallying behind the officers. from one perspective, you can look at the situation as a litmus test. we are looking at one of the first major national pieces that we have seen in many years where there are all black officers. this isn't a situation where traditional questions of black versus white. we are looking at police violence being on trial as police of violence itself. not solely a racial issue in terms of racial conflict, but in terms of the power that police have under the current legal structure, whether some of those major supreme court cases go to the cv gardner. some of these cases and allow police to have what -- the disability to feel like they can use deadly force in all of these different situations. even in the context where the police department procedures might not seem to call for it, there is a separate question

between the police department procedures, leading to firing in criminal charges which are going to be under the jurisdiction of the supreme court case law. that will be the question where prosecutors can look at it going forward. i anticipate that based on both the federal prosecutors and the fact that they were fired immediately. this seems to be -- that this goes above and beyond regular procedures. so action, in terms of what action, we're not really sure. >> and i want to note, andrew mccabe, the idea here that within a month of the killing of george floyd, memphis actually change part of its policies among the police and law enforcement about the duty to render care, the duty to intervene, which is of course one of the issues that we've been talking about. as the professor noted, the attorney's office in tennessee is now involved. you have the local dent memphis dea, shelby county, and you have the dea, moore and of course the fbi is now involved in the case about this.

you mentioned the idea of the color of the officers, they talk about the color of law, the badge itself could be enough. what could the fbi be doing in a case like this in order to either support or buttress the local investigations? >> those investigations from your local prosecutors and detectives, and the u.s. attorneys supported by fbi agents, kind of going on at the same time at parallel tracks. they can result in very different results. you might see charges on the local level like things like homicide, assault, other offenses. on the federal side, they'll be looking at those color law fences. that's essentially any person that uses their official position to deny somebody a constitutional and protected right, and can be guilty of a

federal crime. those rights include the fourth amendment violations, and really reasonable search and seizures, excessive force, obstructing or denying, or delaying medical care to somebody that was in obvious need of medical care. all of those factors can be very central to this issue. >> is their role to be a backstop to the locals? are they working in tandem? >> they will work in tandem. there is a candy convenient opportunity if the local charges for whatever reason are unsuccessful. that has no effect on the federal side. the federal charges can proceed, there's not a double jeopardy problem there. i would expect that they will coordinate to some degree as well. if the fbi agents come across evidence that might be in the local prosecution, they will likely share that intelligence. >> a lot to get to, and a lot more to learn about this very important issue. the verdict is nuts out, the firings have happened. we talk to the dea yesterday about wanting to withhold the video, until they had a chance to decide on charges. they might very well be likely

to ground. thank you so much, everyone. we also have some teachers in florida, and they are afraid that they could face criminal charges. why? because a new law makes that a crime, and by the way, a third degree felony to have to use books in their classrooms the do not adhere to the law. some parents approve, and some are completely up in arms. we will discuss it, next. but none of them give back like subaru. you definitely know. when he wants your attention, he makes it clear. when he wants to be left alone, he makes it obvious. but if your cat has oa pain, also known as osteoarthritis pain, he may be saying “ow” in different ways. it's a long-lasting condition that makes it painful for your cat to move like they once did, like when walking or climbing. red flags are everywhere. but cats are really good at hiding their pain, so you just need to know what to look for. visit catredflags.com to learn about the signs of oa pain and how your vet can help.

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>> teachers, and at least one florida district, say they close their class libraries, or actually covering books, out of fear that they could face felony charges. all because of a new florida law, taking effect. cnn's leyla santiago, with the story. >> behind the covered wall of paper in this manatee county classroom, looks. teacher john fall said, he covered the bookshelves out of concerns for a new state law, requiring all books in the classroom libraries to be approved, or vetted, by a media specialist, or librarian, who is trained by the state. >> we

were instructed, last week, that we, were essentially, having three choices as far as our personal library's, and our classrooms. we could remove them completely, box them up, we could cover them with paper, or some sort, or they could be entered into a database where the school district has all of the library books, and all of the other kinds of books. and if the book was in the system, then it could remain on the shelf, open. >> false, who is part of a lawsuit against governor ron desantis regarding his stop woke act, says, it has all caused him, and other teachers, much fear, and anguished. but, the district says, it never instructed teachers to shut down classroom libraries, according to the school district, volunteers will be helping to catalog books and classroom libraries. if a book, already, has the greenlight, it can go back on the shelf for students. but, if

it is not pre-approved, it must be vetted before a student can have access to it. >> we are going to make sure, parents have a seat at the table, and that we protect their rights. nobody is more invested in the proper well-being of kids than the parents themselves. >> according to florida's department of education, selection of library materials, including classroom libraries, must be free of pornography, and marriott cheerio prohibited under state statute, suited to student needs, and their ability to comprehend the material presented. appropriate for the grade level, and age group, for which the materials are used, and made available. violations can result in a third degree felony. >> this is us protecting the teachers, not saying we are banning books. >> during a school board meeting this week, manatees county school officials acknowledged, they do not know how long it will take to verify all books. in the meantime, the district said, students have access to book and their school's main library. but, the process has sparked confusion, and high emotion. >> i would not suggest banning books. it's a slippery slope. this is good literature with value. please, do not ban books. >> during a school board

meeting in the county, school officials confirmed, they, too, are working to align policies with state requirements. school officials say, a group of library media specialists reviewed 94 book titles over the summer. >> that team did recommend ten titles to be weeded out of our collections, or moved to our adult only resource library. >> there is appropriateness, and in appropriateness. where books are concerned, we need to keep the miners in mind. you cannot substitute adult supervision. you just cannot. adult supervision, parents, weatherby guardian, a grandparent, must be aware of what the child is being taught. >> while some parents praise, what they call, parents rights at work, others worry, it is a slippery slope. >> anytime you restrict access to information, or to knowledge, it is censorship. i don't think that there is any other way to categorize it. >> also, part of the conversation in that pinellas county school board meeting, they talked about how

there could be additional titles removed as part of this process. school officials made it clear, they will air on the side of caution. school members also brought up, another caution. how do you define age appropriate, when vetting these reading materials? i reached out to the governor's office, and the florida department of education, but have not received a response to that question. laura? >> leyla, thank you so much. how big will the impact of this policy be? not just on teachers, but also, of course, on the children? well, we have to educators and florida, joining me to discuss, next. joining me to discuss, next. joining me to discuss, next. joining me to discuss, next. joining me to discuss, next. joining me to discuss, next.

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worry that the books in their classrooms shelves could cause them to run afoul of new florida laws. they fear that they could face criminal charges. joining me now to discuss, andrew tomorrow, president of the florida education association. and, pat barber, president of the manatee education association. i'm glad to have you both here to bring some further clarity to what is going on, and, if it can be found. i want to begin with you here, andrew. i'm wondering, who should to get to decide the types of books that are in teachers classrooms? >> you know, teachers are trained professionals. they know about reading, they know about what excites children about reading, they understand the importance of kids seeing themselves in the books that they are reading. of course, parents, and teachers, have a sacred bond. they work together, all the time. i'm a parent, i'm a teacher, as a parent, i go to open house at the beginning of the year, i know what the curriculum is, i see the teachers classrooms, i am in regular communication

with my daughter's teachers. this is what we do. so, i think this idea of what we're seeing in florida right now, but honestly, in a county near jacksonville, clay county, there was a parent who has committed. sorry, not a parent, a citizen, who is committed to getting 3200 books removed from schools, and does not have any children in the school system. this isn't about parents, this is about someone trying to impose ideology in our school, and politics in our schools. it is interfering with the importance of reading for children. >> pat, want to bring you in, because it is striking to many here, it is not just parents who are involved in the conversation, but those who are not immediate stakeholders, although, obviously, in the greater community, you can certainly say, by virtue of being a part of a community, they are stakeholders, but there are parents of kids in the school, having a direct connection to this. i want to put it up on the screen for, us path. the books under the florida law,

what their requirements, are right now, so the audience can see. books must be free of pornography, and materials that are prohibited under florida. suited to students needs, and their ability to comprehend the material. and, appropriate for their grade level, and age group. some of these seem, obviously, like a no-brainer. the idea of being free from pornography, although the, supreme court has trouble identifying it unless they see it. the idea here, pat, of where things stand, is this just a subjective notion that is going to be classroom by classroom? with no universal standard to guide? >> that i don't think it will be classroom by classroom in manatee county, but, it is a very subjective standard when it comes to a citizen of manatee county looking at books, and imposing their viewpoint according to the standards that are in the law. the teachers are trained professionals. they do know what is age-appropriate, and teachers, and parents, work together all the time to determine what a parent finds acceptable for his or her own child, as far as reading material. >> i do wonder, patch, in this conversation about parental

rights which, obviously, is coming up more and more. i am a parent of school age children, elementary school to be specific. certainly, i would like to be able to weigh in, and be part of, and have this symbiotic relationship with the school. but, also, personally, i feel, and many others do, that parental rights is not exactly the same thing as parental dictation. some parents would like to defer to the teachers to decide, for themselves, what would be appropriate in their classrooms. does this law remove that opportunity, in your mind, from teachers being able to decide, even when parents want to defer to a teacher? >> it removes -- it interrupts the conversation. i wouldn't say that it necessarily removes it. but, it definitely circumvents, and erupts that conversation because it inserts people other than the parents into that conversation. it implies that parents did not already have rights that. >> that's a good point. >> parents have always had rights. >> certainly, i don't mean to

cut you off their path. that is an astute point. andrew, i would love for you to respond to it. you do see this emergence of the thought of, almost, that this is a novelty. apparent, finally, has writes in the classroom. certainly, we have the ability to speak up, but i really do wonder about this issue of parental rights as a talking point, as opposed to what actually happens in the classrooms, to pass point. really, what is it doing to the morale of teachers? teachers are being asked to do everything, including, sadly, trying to keep students safe in a world of gun violence. it's a horrible tragedy to even think about that. now, the idea of being told, they need to cover up books, and they need to have that scrutiny? what does that do to morale? >> it is killing morale. let me tell you a story of a media specialist, a librarian, in clay county florida, who told me, the other day, how she had a student with special needs, who is coming into the

library last year every other week, to read books about cars. there's a high school student, who struggles academically, has special needs, and was reading about cars. she was told, this year, she could not buy new books for the media center until the state had implemented this new law, and data training on it. so, this kid kept coming to the media center saying, do we have any new books about cars every two weeks? she was almost in tears telling the story, a fauci had to keep turning to the child, no, unfortunately, i cannot get new books. as a parent, this breaks my heart. as a parent, i want my kid to be excited about reading. to be excited about learning. to be a child in school. you talk about children and elementary schools. go to any elementary's teacher classroom, there are hundreds of books that they have purchased themselves, with their own money, to create this classroom library, to ensure that every kid, every kid, could have a book that they are excited about. that they read about.

then, we hear about people saying, look at the books that they're talking much. they're talking about books the talk about families who may be different from their own. they're tracking what books the like living with grace, and ethnicity. they're talking about books to talk about other countries. these are books that so many kids connect to. there are people, outside of the school system, and i want to underscore that, outside of the school system saying, we will not allow these books to be in our schools. they are taking away parents rights. the rates for me, as a parent, you, as a parent, to have our child be excited about reading. >> there is exposure of reading, what it means, how it generates thoughts, and to think of my own kids, how excited they are

for the book fair, every single semester, about what might be there. will they walk in the library next time and it be cloaked in big curtains about the sections they can actually see? i encourage avid readers and, this is a disheartening notion, andrew spar, patricia barbara, thank you for your time this, evening i appreciate it. >> thank you for having us the. >> a member of congress, calling on lawmakers to address the challenges presented by artificial intelligence. and, he did it, by using the a i's own words -surprise! -surprise! your dedicated fidelity advisor

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>> congressman jake auchincloss, making history today when he delivered a speech on the house floor. but, can you guess who wrote it? take a listen. >> mister speaker, i stand here today because i'm planning to reintroduce the united states israel artificial intelligence center act. a bipartisan piece of legislation, cementing a mutually beneficial partnership between the united states, and israel, on research for a. an our aware of, and its implications, take center stage in its discourse. >> sounds legit, right? what you just heard, was actually, written entirely by chatgpt. a text based, artificial intelligence. congressman auchincloss, joins me now.

congressman, it's interesting you chose to have that speech written by artificial intelligence. what was your motivation? >> good to be with you. i worked in tech for a number of years. i'm one of the youngest parents in congress. this technology, i know, will be part of my career for decades to come. it could be a general purpose technology for my children, meaning, in any sector in which they chose to work, it would be a key tool they would need to use. i want to spotlight this for congress, that we have a debate, now, about purposeful policy for a eye. and, to not be ten years behind the ball like, i think, a lot of policy was for social media. >> certainly, we think of the way about congressional hearings, the arms around a problem where, really, the train has left the station. with this moment in time, there is an opportunity to regulate,

or to course correct before it is derailed, in some way. are there are legitimate concerns, right now, that it has the potential to be harmful? >> there are. i think we need to do two things to counteract any dystopian future. one, is we need more competition. right now, the cutting edge of a i happens in california, through a consortium of big tech companies. microsoft, first and foremost, but meta, and alphabet, have their own internal a. i. as well. because of their cloud computing power, because of the quality, and quantity of data they have, because of the engineers that they can attract, they do the cutting edge work. i think this technology should be available to universities, to nonprofits, to public officials, to small companies, so that everybody can have a hand in shaping this, that it works for everybody. then, also, we need to start having substantive conversations in congress, that the administration of, which

there are, about saying that this is a tool, and not a master. this is meant to amplify human creativity, and productivity. it should not be a substitute. we should not be allowing it to create economic or, social conditions that, ten years from now, we look back on and say, this isn't what we wanted. people have that sense of social media. these companies started small, scrappy, and everyone looked around a decade later, and they're worth two trillion dollars, and had worked a lot of that conversation that we valued. >> we are in a disinformation age, unfortunately. so, obviously, there are concerns about the potential for deepfakes, the idea of having it be amplifying lies, or distorting realities. there is an interesting moment where they're talked about not being able to hypothesize on things. i asked it to model a

hypothetical debate between president biden, and the former president trump to, of course, is running for office again on climate change. listen to what it said, and this is what it generated. it's that, president biden says that climate change is an existential threat to our planet, and we must take immediate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and transition to clean energy sources. my administration is committed to rejoining the paris climate agreement, investing in renewable energy, and implementing policies to decrease carbon emissions, conversely, in quotes, a hypothetical president trump saying climate change is a hoax is in effect perpetrated by china, and other countries, from the american economy. the paris climate agreement is a bad deal for america, and would cripple our industries. we should focus on promoting energy independence, and protecting american jobs. it is an emulation, but based on what it is pulled from the internet, likely close to what

has been said before. i wonder, are you concerned about speech generation and sort of the next frontier? people knowing how much they value what is written, and what is out there, taking this is truth? >> speech generation, and i should, and video generation, as well. deepfake video. one example of that, the example you just gave. people can google, right now, a speech by richard nixon if the moon landing had failed. they had that speech drafted, and that eventuality. obviously, it didn't, it never delivered, but you could take president nixon seeing others. you could feed them that text and, delivering the speech, as though the moon landing head crashed, instead. you can extrapolate that to 100 other scenarios. the good news here, the same technology that generates was

deep fakes, in speech, or video, can be used to discern, and flagged those deepfakes as being misinformation. i think that's another area where we have this that we need to wrestle with, his education. we already see universities, and k-12 educators learning about plagiarism, or about students not doing their own work. clearly, administrators don't want to put on the safeguards for that. there is a potential movie that a i could do tutoring at scale, three students were ahead, or behind of the curriculum, to give superpowers to teachers. i find that exciting. but, that pro, that calm, will require nuance debate, and needs to start now. >> glad to have it here. thank you congressman, have a good night. >> good evening. >> well, everyone, first, it was a leopard. then it was the monkeys. now, apparently, a vulture. several mysterious incidents involving animals at their habitats at the dallas, and there's, rightfully, is suspicious. so, what is going on? >>

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say, an unusual wound, and injuries, indicated not die of natural causes. recall, nearly two weeks ago, a clouded leopard got out of its enclosure after someone, apparently, cut the fencing. fortunately, it was recaptured, and unharmed. officials are also discovering, someone appears to have camp old with the languor monkey pen, but none of the monkeys got out. discussing tonight with wildlife biologist, jeff corwin, have of wildlife nation. jeff, i am so glad you are here, but man, this gets stranger by the moment. now, there is an animal that, apparently, did not die of natural causes. is there any indication of what is going on at the dallas too? >> good evening lori. yes, it is a tragic, no longer coincidental, and, likely, criminal mystery here. so, you are looking at the lappet-faced vulture, a photograph of this bird and it has to distinctions for me. first of all, as you can see, as walters go, it is fetching it is one of the most beautiful vaulters. as you also highlighted, it is one of the most endangered. there is only around six, maybe 8000 of these vulture, surviving, on our

planet. in the dallas zoo, along with the l. a. zoo, and other members of the biological community are critical and the loss of one of these rapid based vultures is incredibly dangerous for the species. >> apparently, it was a 35-year-old vulture, at that. if we think about the idea of some of the foundational purposes of zoos, it is about the conservation-ism, it is about ensuring that they can reintroduce or, obviously, maintain, and preserve species, and to have the field of study. the idea here that this type of speeches, nope, and her good bid, it connection with, also, the idea of the monkey, and the idea of the clouded leopard. the pattern here is stunning. are the other animals who have been having suspicious behavior, are they equally endangered? >> we shall see. i know the dallas zoo is stepping up, along with their partners with, the police community in dallas, who try to find out who is doing this. this vandalism, this criminal behavior, is it some sort of path of that drives this? is it

some kind of messaging that happens behind this? whatever is causing this, it's a big deal in the zoological community. as far as i am concerned, every enclosure, back, front, needs to have a camera on it. a digital camera, capturing images, and security needs to be beefed up as much as it can. the lives of the species are at stake. when you're talking about this vulture, it is a creature that is, not only, critically danger into, but it is an animal that has long lived, and killing 50, 60 years. they are one of the most resilient, and hardy species on the planet. yet, it can't survive living in dallas. so, something is wrong here, and they need to get to the bottom of who is doing this, and why to, prevent it in the future? >> absolutely, and i understand as well, as a result of what has happened, the series of incidents, zoo officials are trying to have to take precautionary measures to protect the different wildlife, meaning, they will have a different quality of life, and

ability of freedom that they may have to be outside of their enclosures and some points after hours, if the zoos are running normal hours. and beyond. are we going to see zoo officials having to take precautions that reduce the quality of life even more for these animals? >> i do think the dallas, or any member of the az a will do anything to reduce the quality of six assistance for these animals. they do a lot of work, and ensure that they have an environmental quality. to keep them thriving in this human care environment. that's not going to change. they're going to have to remember a tremendous amount of security. they have their enclosures, they have their entrances, their exits, within their panics to ensure that zookeepers can have access to these animals in a safe manner. those protocols, already, exist. the problem is, someone is violating that protocol. you have the concept of, you can't prevent a thief, but you can keep an honest man honest? i think they are keeping the honest folks honest with this messaging, with this appropriate security. but, something outside of those lines is getting in, wreaking

havoc on one of the greatest susan north america. and i voted think will happen is an increase in security. we have noticed, and there are a lot of changes for social media, were people push the boundaries, they push the edges, we see that in national parks, people approaching bison, other animals of the people. they want that moment, they are willing to take a risk for themselves for social media, or forgetting the increased likes, but this is different. someone is being incredibly nefarious. the zoo is going to pay the price for this, and the animals pay the price for the, senate needs to stop. >> absolutely. it appears that those were the sound dead, appeared natural causes, suspicious wound, especially before additional animals are in danger. >> yes,

eventually, laura, folks like this, they fall prey to their hubris and they get caught. unfortunately, we need to make sure that happens before we lose any more animals. i'm wondering if what they try to do, if what will happen eventually. jeff, corwin thank you for bringing better context to this. it's very important. there are more questions tonight for congressman george santos. now, about personal loans that, he said, he made to his campaign. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next. i bring you the details, next.

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