. in a matter of hours memphis officials will release video of what happened when police pulled over 29-year-old terry nichols, last hour i spoke is to ben crump who seen the video and told us what to expect. >> you see the escalation when the beginning when they end counter ty re, shouting profanities at him, grabbing him

and he says what did i do? you get to see his humanity doing the whole brutal attack. he's asking themrely have to do all of this? and they just keep escalating, and it's just so difficult to watch because at one point, he says i just want to go home, it's going to remind you of rodney king in many regards. >> you mean being kicked? >> assaulted, battered, punched, kicked, tased, pepper spray asked. it's very troubling when you think about ty re only ways at most 150 pounds. and so you know, it's hard to watch allison and especially at the end of the video, when he is calling for his mother, he yells out to her three times, and then

you never hear ty re nichols say another word anymore on that video. >> ty re died three days later and his mother is calling for peaceful protests tomorrow, i want to bring in collins tennis and the a member of memphis city council, council woman i want to start with you, what's the move in memphis tonight? the mood is pretty ominance, i'll be transparent with that, there's a lot of thing unknown as a leader, we're wanting, encouraging and supporting peace and a path towards justice, but we really are just bracing ourselves for the unknown in the city >> council woman, what are you doing to brace yourselves? are you doing outreach to the community? what's the plan. >> personally i've been doing outreach to different community

groups and advocacy grown-ups, and people have been submitting statements as units, as collaborators but institutions in our city are issuing statements of safety and precaution, so i think that this always the right way to go about things to protect people, just to make sure that folks are able to really sit in the emotions that they have while we're also just prioritizing the people of memphis. >> congressman, it's possible that things will be ok tomorrow, even with the trauma of seeing the video because this is so different than the situation with george floyd or rodney king or so many other, these five pretty quickly fired, arrested charged with second degree murder, so there is some level of justice on the way. so what are your thoughts. >> i think that the police chief davis, who has only been on the job in memphis about a year and

a half, did -- the thing. unquestionably by firing the individuals promptly, and then district attorney also did the right thing by having them charged murder two as, and kevin rich on the job is looking into this with the justice department, fbi memphis has three new leaders in the last years, year and a half with the director, da, u.s. attorney and they're outstanding individuals and done a great job in working on this case, with the roll speaking with a speed known in cases like this and it's been important to do that >> counsel woman have you seen this video. >> we have not seen the video yet, we're scheduled to see it

tomorrow. >> you'll see it breanya before it's publically released, >> yes >> do you know what the -- is it going to be put on a website for at the under water? how will people access this >> we have no been informed of that information yet and it's been a question of mind, allison what ways will it get out to the public >> they've decided to release it 6:00 p.m. >> 7:00 east coast time. that's a curious time, it's a friday night, seems as though it might be right for trouble instead of doing it on a work or school night. do you have thoughts on that >> i wondered about it when it happened and several people contacted me about that.

people will be off their jobs and out of the mostly out of the downtown area, but a lot of mischief happens at night and to have people weekend and night, some -- groups get together, maybe people are drinking or whatever. and things could happen. and i think it's more likely to happen at night. and that's a time of mischief and really wish it was more in the daytime. they made the decision. >> counsel woman do you have insight into that? why is this timing? >> we didn't get any insight they don't at all. but i agree with the -- with congressman cullen, i would have thought it would be better during the daytime but i assume the leaders are making the best decision when to release the video. >> council woman what does this say about memphis police department? we heard so many things, john miller was on force saying they're they were seen as this

sort of leader in innovate practices yet they have this scorpion unit that sounds, they're the ones who go into the high crime areas, obviously they need to have those characteristics, maybe they could be classified some as cowboys. what do you think about the relationship between the police department and the community? >> i think that this is yet another time in which we're obligated to really re-evaluate that. in 2020, the world saw so many examples of unrest across cities and communities, and the same in memphis. we had plenty protests and we passed so many legislative resolutions that we thought would prevent a murder such as ty re nichols, so it's our obligation now to make sure that we're ainsuring the community

we're still supporting our first responders to protect and serve but hold them accountable and make sure we have laws and policies in place so that this never happens again in city of memphis. >> counsel woman, congressman thank you both for your time, appreciate talk you go to. >> welcome. >> i want to turn to cnn political commentator, and retired land sergeant cheryl, thank you for being here, i want to start with you, these officers as you know were black be that's counter intuitive for some people when they see a crime like this, what do you think was going on there? is it -- was this more something about kind of herd mentality mob mentality? what would allow these five separate police officers to behave the way we've heard describe in this tape? >> well, these are young

officers, who are drunk with power. they seem to be very much caught up in police culture, and you know, what we have heard that they have done on this video tape is what happens over and over across these 18,000 police departments at the end of a foot pursuit when an officer catches you, they punish you and they punished mr. nichols three minutes, these are what we call hot shot officer, i call them elephant hunters these guys go out and do proactive pretext stop probably minimal supervision, most of them probably on lapd would just be off probation, shouldn't be working alone, let alone together, they couldn't figure out to pull the others off, someone should have managed that use of force but because young on the job having a good time

and it was fun until it wasn't, now they're arrested we have this >> robert you've been covering stories like this, what do you see? >> you know, i see a lot of complicated factors here, you know, we won't know as much as we need to until we see the video. you mentioned this patrol, this scorpion group, they're flooding neighborhood making criminals like constantly under surveillance and at their worst constitutional rights in order create crime prevention, and the classic example is the gun trace task force in baltimore, it's relatively new, year and a half, there haven't been many complaints or controversy surrounding it yet. and we won't know until much more reporting done that this was a rogue group of officers or

entire unit gone back. >> you obviously have been on with me when we covered so many cases of police excessive force what is this one say to you? >> there are a few things, one, i think that this style of policing is trash. you know, growing up in black communities we have what's called jump out boys many times where you have these officers who pull up in communities that don't -- that are not really just layden with police ry gall alley, you don't really know who they are, many times they're abusive, interaction with community is not what it should be. and in atlanta they were called the red dogs, and there were legendry rap songs about the red dogs. this was a legendary police group that came in and brutalized communities and individuals, i'm not sure that much good comes out of this

style of policing, particularly as was said earlier when there aren't procedures and protocols in place to keep them in check. you know, to answer your question earlier, i think we'll have this discussion the next three, four, five days about five black officers, for me it doesn't matter if the officers were black, white, purple. it doesn't matter. this is about systemic racism, let's be extremely clear, this is about systems in this country which perpetuate violence and oppression against possibly of color, whether or not you are black, white or other, within these systems, we have to deconstruct these systems and reimagine what they look like. these officers happen to be black and perpetuating a system of injustice whereby black folk are not given the benefit of their humanity. until we tackle these systems, let me just say a lot of people racism is only when somebody calls you nigger, that's not.

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. . five fired memos memphis police officers facing second degree murder and other charges in the death of tyre nichols, why did none of them stop during what nichols family attorney describes as three long minutes of beating? lawyers for some of these former officers confirmed they were part of the department's so-called scorpion unit, an elite crime suppression team and the nichols family attorney blasting those units tonight

writing the behavior these units can more of into wolf pack misconduct takes away a person's liberty or move akin to kidnapping >> join meeting john miller as well as cnn legal analyst jackson and professor at john j college of criminal justice, rodriguez. >> i'm interested in mental three of these units, philippe, it's like crowd think is that what the suggestion >> mob mentality, these young officers, as you can see we put them in these situations they still don't have the qualified or the experience to end up handling and what happens is becomes a system over load. these are officers then get into pursuits and we get into what we call the pursuit mentality or syndrome. at the end of the day they're faced with a violent situation and they do turn into the wolf pack and they forget to think as a team or implement team

tactics. >> pursuit syndrome, john i'm sure you know this, you've been around police so long, that's when you stop using your own cough personal moral campus >> it's when you're in a high speed car chase and catch the person, and you're so angry and the adrenaline is up here and this guy made me drive 100 miles an hour, take that to something closer, a foot pursuit, you know, you run half mile, the guy is running catch him, tackle him, why did you make me chase you? the adrenaline is up here, this is where the nypd engaged in a lot of new training to try and address this with managing adrenaline, anger management with adrenaline, deescalation and on the idea that still recruit from the human race, not the plan it perfect. those people who get there after you are supposed to be the one who be the ones jump in and say we got this from here. that's missing in this incident, unfortunate when will this video

comes out and it will get played and played and played and probably that's worst parts, there's going to be a time when in the minds of many americans that's every cop, and it's not. there's many of these officers from these particular units that are out there getting guns, taking risk, reducing crime, but they need to higher level of training and they need to higher level of supervision both those seem to be missing here. is >> in other words, the supervision, there was no supervisor as far as you can tell in this group of five that could quell the adrenaline >> right. so typically in new york, you're going to have your most experienced officers here, i'm looking at these officers you know, they came in 2020, 2018 be 2017 is the one with the most experience, you want that supervisor who may have more time and more experience riding with them. that seems is to be missing here too. >> joey, the charges were

interesting. obviously, today, second degree murder and kidnapping. what does that mean? >> means a couple of things, first is let me introduce everyone to a new concept. it's called humanity. and kidnapping speaks to the lack of that. we can speak about a supervisor acting there, a supervisor being there, whether they have on the force in 2018 or 2022 but at what point forgetting about your police training do you, as a human being, say enough is enough, at what point do you say i think we're overextending and engaging in conduct not only unlawful but it's in humane i inappropriate and should not occur, with respect to kidnapping let's address that, what that means at some point allison you're detaining someone unlawfully against their will, let's just say we talk about the legitimacy of a stop. we'll learn a lot about whether or not it was appropriate to stop him, mr. nichols in the first instance. >> i hope that's on the video >> let's say it was.

it was appropriate to stop him. there comes a point where a lawful stop trans seateds a lawful stop and it becomes unlawful and when you're tainting someone against their will, that's kidnapping, you have a right to live your life free and in liberty without detention, if i'm being detained unlawfully that, of course, becomes a problem and to the extent that you do it in an aggravated nature, that becomes aggravated kidnapping, so there's a lot to unpack here, it's sad unfortunate, and should not have occurred. >> i'm interested in that adrenaline, because you know, who among us hasn't felt hopped up on anger or on something and it is hard to bring it down, again, they're trained to do that. shouldn't they >> we have to assume they've been trained to know how to do that. >> a lot of officers do get deescalation training but the biggest issues you're getting a lot of young observation a lot of departments are losing officers to attrition and due to the fact that because of other

things occurred, we seasoned veterans that are leaving the job and this is now becoming the issue. we don't have that supervision, we don't have that experience, we're taking these young guys who can make these decisions at times and become we do not. we can never give up their lack of experience and we're seeing it here, the time the individuals out on the job. >> you're looking that at the memphis context, memphis is down 500 cops, doing things they've never done before, they're offering $15,000 signing bonuses to get people to apply. they are saying that prior arrests or things like that are not automatic disqualifier we'll look at them individually they say we're not lowering the bar, we're widening the aperture but clearly when you have two, three people on job, if they're your most experienced officers you're

suffering a deficit >> it's a vicious cycle, the vast majority of police officers are good and doing, you know, being heros often out on the street. however, when five guys like this behave like this, the whole department takes a reputational hit and it's harder to recruit people. >> it makes it harder every day. i had three years on the job when the rodney king incident and to see this again, i was shocked, i was dismaid, truly saddened to see this is what happened, never again would i see this again in 31 years >> that is what they're likening it to. >> i don't have words to express the >> gentlemen thank you i appreciate you explaining this to us. on news tonight, congressman george santos the exboyfriend is speaking out to cnn he'll tell us what he thinks if he'll

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. exboyfriend of george santos is speaking out to cnn tonight despite repeated calls for the embattled congressman to resign over his serial lying, santos will not do that. >> his ego is too high, he's not going to resign be if they don't find out something to get him off, he's not going to do it, for sure.

>> back with us cnn political commentator, and senior political analyst john avalon. i want to read a little bit more about their relationship. because it's fascinating. so that gentlemen says he met santos in 2014 when he himself was 18 years old, santos was 26 at the time and married to a woman. they moved in together, shortly after vilarva graduated high school, he became increasingly suspicious of santos who said he was going to take him to hawaii but never did, santos eventually stole his phone and hocked it for cash >> what a love story. >> where to go, listen, let's take the, you know, aggrieved exboyfriend's account with a grain of salt. >> in fairness to mr. santos. >> i just feel like, you know,

maybe not the best character witness or maybe he is i'm not sure but without his account there's 100, 100 stories this bong kers and you have to wonder is there something wrong with him? i don't know the answer, but pretty sure something wrong it's not just all the lies that you have most of your life. it's the indignant attitude he walks around with when asked about it >> just today >> that's the pathological part. >> i think he walked up to him in the hallway and he said no, you're lying the media has to stop lying. i don't know how he deals with this, george said he's clearly, he's learned from the best, he knows it's a lying media, i'm sorry, too many examples he's not going to be able to pull this off. >> even if the boyfriend is saying is consistent, ego driven, all about fame, no shame, there's no shame whatsoever >> this is one of the gifts that donald trump gave us is

shamelessness as a super power within the republican party. but >> and lying. >> this sort of, you know, you reap what you sew, and this is what the republican party if it will rediscover anything resembling a soul will have to confront george santos if details come down, there's things that you lie about that are unethical and criminal, it's the ton. of lies, there's something profoundly pathetic about this human being and the fact that he made it to congress should wake us the held up >> he's on science committee. science. >> science. >> it's so rich. >> i want you to play a different sound bite from the exboyfriend, the lies big and small, do we have that one? because he outlines when he began catching george santos in lice, let's listen to this.

>> i don't know i think he's just out of his mind and one lie led to the other. and now this everybody found out like they're finding out like the little stuff as well. i just think that he should not be in according to, and my god, so many things i found out afterwards as well. things that i did not know, i still believe he went to group college like he used to say, i knew about the group that he said he used to work and the investments and so, so. i already knew those were lies. because i never saw him working. >> there you go. that's a telltale sign. >> the energy isn't bitter seems like he's trying to do the public go by coming forward and saying be careful. >> he's kind of rummaging through past relationship and the reality of it. i love the decenting roller coaster, i don't know, i think he's out of his mind.

>> the laughter at the end. >> except the joke is on >> he healed i would say from this and now the 30,000 foot view. one of the sound bites he calls him see company. >> we love a good con. don't we love a con, artist? we're fascinated and want to watch them fall and sometimes we cheer them on. >> i think we are fascinated by them because the shamelessness. something about watching it and you can't believe somebody is lying directly to your face. it's mesmorizing. >> i couldn't sleep with myself. >> that's the mr. riply, not like cannon ball run, you're not >> that was the fascinating movie because when somebody does, he does it so consistently, but can't keep

track of it. >> 199, 199 he kept track of that number. >> that stuck. >> let's talk about that because those are the campaign contributions >> this is what we should be talking about >> that's the one that could get him in trouble that's the one could be a crime. >> at the north shore leader local paper pointed out before the election, i want to emphasize that, that when had he ran for congress the first time i think he had total assets of $5,000, 18 months later his financial disclosure form said he had 11 millionerring admitted he did this campaign over half million dollars, one thing to keep in mind the amount of money you can spend out triggering a reporting number, but it's the fall of the money that ultimately will sink this cat. but there's serious implications you're dealing with that kind of money and the sheer tonnage of lies. the >> kevin mccarthy said as much,

that he was elected by the people, >> under false pretense >> but it's illegal >> defrauded >> the legal thing is what would get kevin mccarthy to insist on his ousting. but when the republican party decided they'd accept donald trump who lie invent his resume, a con, artist. once they accepted that it created a new floor. it's herschal walker who lied constantly on the campaign trail, conspiracy theories, >> and the shock value, after awhile it becomes more an snl skit than a problem for democracy, honesty integrity no longer on the ballot. >> i reacheded that with george santos, agree with that. >> everyone stay up next, president biden turning up the heat on republicans over their

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. this is cnn. president biden celebrating good economic news today, and slamming republicans for a proposal called the fair tax act. that would replace the federal income tax with 30% national sales tax. >> they want to impose a 30% national sales tax on everything from food, clothing, school supplies, housing, cars, whole deal. 30%, they want to eliminate the income tax system because guess

what? that's the only way that millionaires and billionaires have to pay any taxes. i will not let it happen. not on my watch. i will veto everything they send me [cheers and applause] >> not after all the progress we've made and so far we've come. >> with me now, natasha, and john, john, you know that president biden is serious when he starts whispering. he starts whispers he's very serious. >> yes, he does, 30% sales tax, does that have any takers in congress. >> yes, it's got takers a sponsor but it's been put forward, it hackabee ran on this a couple of years a small group on the far right who like it. it's the -- it's the fiscal version of owning the, we're going to take away the income tax and the irs, the problem is you're effectively giving people a 30% tax on everything they

buy. and 90% of americans according to some analysis will have their attacks effectually raised. 10% will have it cut, the wealthiest folks who pay the income tax, it's bad politics, it's an indication i think of how much the republican party which used to be synonymous with fiscal responsibility in train sailed. >> elaine play what john tester had to say today. >> the truth is what happens it raises costs for every person across of this country and in montana by 30%. that's huge. and i'll tell you it's not the right thing to do. i think quite frankly it's a silly dog gone idea and like i said, over my dead body, we will fight every day until this thing goes down to defeat. >> it's got going to have to die, it's not going anywhere,

senate and biden aren't going to go for this but can i take a minute commend republicans. this is fiscal policy. >> at least it's fiscal policy. >> i'd much rather this than a&ms and the nonsense, you don't have to like the fiscal policy they're proposing it's as old as georgew bush, in 2005 this was a discussion in the republican party and bush rejected it. you spend most of your income on necessities, if you're upper class, if you're weather you spend a fraction of your income on necessity, so it's punitive. but it's substantive. i'm, go ahead. >> i'm always fascinated with the messaging, so in the way that inflation worked against joe biden, they beat him over the head with it again and again, possibly were terrified

before mid-terms this is giving democrats kind of a gift and saying this is exactly what we told you they would do when elected. so fiscal policy, yes, we're finally having substantive policy conversations, there might be benefits to it. but even the american public couldn't pinpoint why inflation was happening. and they just blamed it on biden, so i we're that the reverse would happen. >> the irony is we could have much better fiscal policy conversation republicans want to do tax simplification, it's actually winning political issue, or graduated flat tax, have that conversation. this is the worst of all the options they could be. >> like the tax will be -- this is bad. he said it's a political gift to biden and the democrats, i think this is the first significant problem created for the republican party by the 20 people who thought there was no downside to the approach they took, is kevin mccarthy going to

allow that to come to a vote. >> no, but the potent of the tail wagging the dog, republicans don't have a policy demand. putting the full faith in credit of the united states at risk. and again just want to remind everybody because we'll be dealing with unfortunately too long, it's about as fiscally responsible as running out and not paying your check after a meal. you draw up a budget do the budget. you want to restrain your spending do it when the party is in power. this nonsense, this is a distraction that is i agree with natasha a gift to democrats because it's regress sive. >> thank you, appreciate that and ahead, first responders take the stand in the murder trial of alex murdaugh who's accused of murdering his wife and son, we'll hear important testimony when we come back. ♪. ♪. ♪. with aveeno® daily moisture. formulated with nourishing, prebiotic oat. it's clinically proven to moisturize dry skin

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day two in the trial of alex murdaugh, accused of killing his 52-year-old wife maggie and 22-year-old son paul in june of 2021. that's far from the only dark intrigue surrounding him prosecutors allege the prompt attorney murdered his wife and son. today he was seen weeping while watching body cam footage at the scene when they arrived at the murder. he also became tense listening to the 911 call that he made in night. >> i am alex murdaugh on the

line calling from 4147 mobile road. alleging his wife and child was shot. mr. murdaugh go ahead. >> 4147 moselle road. i've been up to it now, it's bad. hell, no. >> are they breathing? >> no ma'am. >> your wife and your son. >> my wife and my son. >> are you in a vehicle. >> one of the first responders tested that murdaugh's reaction in court was very different from the night of the crime. >> you ever see any tears in your interactions with mr. murdaugh, he did not appear to be crying, he was upset but i did not see physical tears. >> he also tested when he arrived at the scene, murdaugh mentioned his son paul's boating

accident. at the time of his death, paul murdaugh was facing charges for a 2019 deadly boating accident that killed a 19-year-old named mallory beach. >> his immediate reaction was to start telling me about an incident that happened with his son, with the boating accident. >> with the boating accident. >> yes, sir. >> had you asked him anything about that. >> i did not. >> the trial will convene tomorrow at 9:30 a.m. let's bring in cnn analyst joey jackson. >> he sounded historical on the 911 call. obviously sounded upset there. it's possible that he mentioned the boating accident as the first things to first responders in trying to plant a motive for who else might have killed these, his family members. one of the things i heard the defense attorney, alex murdaugh's attorney i thought was very effective i want to your professional opinion, if you believe this man killed his wife and son you have to believe

that this family man who is acting normal, texting his family, he's acting normal all day, he's acting normal every time people see him, blew their brains out with these guns. and isn't that effective? because, he didn't give away other telltale signs up until that point. >> you know, trials are always, you're operating in gray areas and it's a battle of the narrative, when you're battling in knees narratives you want to put the spin on it which you think is fair and appropriate. the prosecution and the tapes we saw are trying to create the view that you know, he wasn't upset. or he wasn't crying, how does someone supposed to react? is there a standard way in which someone reacts when a family member, you know, their wife or son would die? have you, sir, had a wife or son that would die? would you know what the standard way to react was? you indicated he was upset. right? because he wasn't crying that's an indication to you he's if anyone feigning that this

occurred, the defense will play the out that it's ridiculous there's no play book how you would react. going back to the point you make is he laying a foundation for a motive or putting that out there and saying you're law enforcement or at least part of the government find out who did this. because i'm outraged and i want to get it solved. there's a lot of issues allison, broad based with this particular case >> so many term, >> even with the issue of this, weren't they get a conviction, we're in a dna oriented society. do you have the dna that connects him to the scene. >> do they >> no, they looked at and we'll see i should say, right the trials just underway, but the early indications are number one, that apparently police were in custody of his shirt, that is no longer in existence, and he

mr. murdaugh adverse inference charge what does that mean in english, 19 that shirt was incriminating, prosecutor, you would have had it introduced it to the jury and said you know what i'm using it against you, why is it gone? do you have eyewitnesses, anything that brings him to the connection to establish that he did it in the absence of that, that's what we call reasonable doubt, and that's a problem. >> interesting, jerry jackson, thank you very much, we'll be watching this case tomorrow. thanks so much for watching tonight, our coverage continues now.

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