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if you guys are here for me and tyre, then you will protest peacefully. >> yes, ma'am. >> yes, ma'am. >> can you get your point across but we don't need to tear up our cities, people. because we do have to live in them. >> and that was tyre nickels' mother speaking last night. i'm don lemon in memphis. kaitlan is in california d.c., poppy is off. we'll take you through what is going to happen in memphis and live right now at the police department, i'll tell you why in moments. you saw what happened last night, the vigil. the family pleading for everyone to be calm if they are going to protest. the five officers charged, some arrested, we'll go through it. the family's attorney, ben crump describing what happened on the
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tape that's going to be released after 7:00 p.m. eastern time today, comparing to what happened with rodney king. we'll talk about that but listen to what he said. >> it reminds you of rodney king in many regards, assaulted, battered, punched, kicked, tased, pepper sprayed. it is very troubling when you think about tyre only weighs, at most, 150 pounds, calling for his mother. he yells out to her three times and then you never hear tyre nichols say another word on that video. you see him up against the car, sitting down in handcuffs and you see his body fall to the right. >> you can see now i'm joined live now by the memphis police chief, cj davis thank you for
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joining us. i'm going to wear my glasses because i have specific things i want to ask you about. these five officers have been charged with second degree murder in the death of tyre nichols. what's your reaction to these very serious charges? >> well, i expected serious charges. i really did. actually, the charges that were placed -- at least the administrative charges were probably the most severe i've seen in my career but they were absolutely appropriate. i knew that the next step would be in the hands of the da's office so i'm not surprised. >> these are extraordinary measures i must say in all the times i've covered these incidents to fire the officers and charge them so quickly. does that speak to what we'll see on the videotape when it's released after 7:00 p.m. ea eastern. >> absolutely. over the last several years we have talked about police legitimacy and police reform.
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it's important that, in instances like this, when they are serious, when they do arise to that level, where a person's const constitutional rights, their civil rights have been violated that we act and act swiftly. >> when did you first learn about the incident, chief? >> it was probably 4:00 in the morning, the previous day, 8:00 at night, 9:00, the incident occurred. about 4:00 in the morning i learned of the incident. and it was just a strange summary of what occurred on the traffic stop. i decided to go in the office and meet with the individuals that had information that i could take a look at it, even though at that time, tyre was in the hospital, but still because he had injuries that just -- i just didn't understand. it was incomprehensible to me. we came in the office and decided to take a look that sunday morning and it was
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alarming. >> that's when you -- sunday morning is when you first saw the video? >> that's right. >> when you saw it, what was your reaction? >> i was -- i was outraged. i was -- it was incomprehensible to me. it was unconscionable. i felt that i needed to do something and do something quickly. i don't think i witnessed anything of that nature my entire career. >> really? >> really. >> that bad? >> it was that bad. >> what are we going to see then? >> you're going to see acts that defy humanity. you're going to see a disregard for life. duty of care that we're all sworn to. and a level of physical
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interaction that is above and beyond what is required in law enforcement. and i'm sure that, you know, as i said before, that individuals watching will feel what the family felt. and if you don't, then you're not a human being. and we all are human beings. and i think there will be a measure of sadness as well. >> how long do these incidents go on? we heard from the district attorney yesterday and from the head of the tbi that there were two separate incidents, right? >> yes. >> how long do they go on and when -- what was the worst part of it? because it has been said that the officers became charged during the second incident, that they got more riled up. >> well, from the very beginning to me they were riled up. i don't think they were as amped up as they were at the second scene but just the stop, the
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nature of the stop, very aggressive, loud, you know, communication. and it was -- it just rose from there. it escalated from there. mr. nichols was able to get away from these officers and they found him, again, at another location and at that point, there was an amount of aggression that is unexplainable. you know, in any instance where you're apprehending someone -- even in the worst situation where there is resistance, officers still have the responsibility to exercise care and regard for any individual that's in custody or they're attempting to apprehend, and they're trained to do that. >> and to de-escalate. >> and to de-escalate. that's the piece, i think, that is in question. but i think the escalation was
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there from the officers before training even needed to come in as it relates to de-escalate. the escalation was already at a high level. >> you're saying they did everything wrong? you think this was outside of their training, everything. >> absolutely. >> you mentioned, you said the nature of the stop. >> yes. >> can we talk about the nature of the stop. >> yes. >> what was the nature? why was he stopped? >> i'm going to be honest with you about the stop itself. what was said was that there was witnessing of what was considered reckless driving. we've looked at cameras, we've looked at body-worn cameras. and even if something occurred prior to the stop, we've been unable to substantiate that at this time. >> you have haven't been able to substantiate -- >> the reckless driving.
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>> at all? >> no. we have not been able to substantiate the reckless driving. >> that was why he was supposedly stopped. >> that was why he was supposedly stopped in the very beginning. that was a concern. so in an investigation we begin to look at what was the probable cause for the stop, where were the cameras? was there some evidence on the body camera, along those cameras on those thoroughfares? and we've taken an extensive look to determine what that probable cause was and he have not been able to substantiate that. it doesn't mean that something didn't happen -- >> but the cameras -- >> -- there's no proof. >> so before the incident you're looking at other surveillance cameras around the city. >> that's right. thoroughfares, and even business cameras. any footage we could pick up to see what occurred prior to the stop? the information that we have
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right now of -- based on what we could observe is the stop itself and the first officer exiting his vehicle, you'll see that on the body worn camera. at that time, the officers were already aggressive and amped up. >> and amped up. >> um-hum. >> so you haven't found anything to substantiate the reckless driving. >> that's right. >> and this was just feet from his home. >> that's right. three blocks away. >> he was apprehended by the scorpion leadership, launched under your leadership in 2021. >> yes. >> were they looking for some other crime other than reckless driving from tyre nichols? >> absolutely. well, the scorpion units, street crime operations to report piece in our neighborhoods.
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it was based on the fact that we had an outcry because of three years of violence in the city. numbers of violent crimes, robberies, homicides, aggravated assaults, and this is one of three teams, whose primary responsibility is to reduce gun violence, to be visible in communities, and to also impact the rise in the crime. basically out of an outcry from the community. we had record numbers in 2021, 346 homicides. so this unit was put together and they had great success, believe it or not, last year. it was the first year in a long time -- >> is this an indication of a failure in that unit? >> this is an indication that there is a gap somewhere in that unit. my observation is that, you know, we have several contributing factors.
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we train and we re-train these officers just like specialized units around the country. these officers in working in specialized units, you always need to make sure that the super vision is there and present. >> do you fear they have done anything like this in the past? do you have any evidence of that? >> we don't have evidence of it at this point in time. however we're taking a deeper dive into previous arrests, previous video camera footage. we also reached out to the iacp, who will work with the department of justice. we've asked the iacp and the department of justice to come in and look at our specialized units. we don't want any gaps in any of our units. >> i've heard about you from every single person that i spoke to that the buck stops with you. >> yeah. >> do you feel you have any responsibility in the failure of the unit? >> i can't remove myself from
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responsibility. and, of course, we can't always be with our officers but it's incumbent upon us to act and have checks and balances in place. but we have to rely on those individuals that are also in supervisory positions and commanders' positions but the accountability is throughout the police department up to the cl chief. >> did you have any interaction with the officers in this unit? >> i met them one on one and had an opportunity to see them out, you know, some of them in some of the other units have received recognitions and awards because of the reductions in crime, but this particular unit, even though you meet the officers, you don't know them as personally. >> your impressions of them? >> my impressions of them, you really -- they acted just like any other normal officer, you know, respectful when they see you, but what i saw on the video was more of a group-think sort
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of mentality. you know, a group-think. and no one took a step to intercept or intervene and that's why the charges are as severe as they are. >> does this speak to better training for the officers? you said it's a group-think. >> yeah. >> that means there's something with the training, within the department or police department where the group-think can cause something like this to happen? >> they have good training in that regard. i think one of the gaps that, you know, i have observed since being here, we need more supervisors in our department. we have a span of control issue, and as we have eliminated a hiring in the police department to create more supervisors. >> let's talk about the video. >> yes. >> it has been said that it is reminiscent, perhaps worse than
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the rodney king video. is that your assessment? >> that was my assessment. i was in law enforcement during the rodney king incident and it's very much aligned with that same type of behavior? >> but it's worse? >> sort of group-think -- i would say it's about the same if not worse. if not worse. >> take us through the video tonight. when it is released. it has been said there's over an hour, there's the pole cam, there's sky cam and body-worn camera video. how is it going to be distributed? are you going to put it on social media, are you giving it to the media? how is it going to be distributed. >> we plan to put it on a youtube link so it's accessible to anybody who wants to access that video. we'll push that out later on this evening. the video is broken into four
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different fragmented pieces but they're all very relative to this incident. the initial stop, the stop near tyre's home and also body worn camera of individuals that were at the scene. >> is it -- was it released later on a friday, after 6:30, central time, 7:00 eastern time, was that -- we are told i don't know if you can confirm this. it was so the officers could leave the building safely -- >> no. >> -- in case there were protests? >> no. >> then why? >> we think about the entire public. we thought about schools, about business, and we felt like friday afternoon, if there were individuals that decided they wanted to peacefully protest, at least other individuals who have gone home, schools would be out, and it wouldn't be as disruptive as it would have been if we released it on a wednesday
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afternoon. >> in this video it is said that tyre nichols cries for his mother. did you hear that? >> i did. i heard him call out for his mother. for his mom. i did. >> and? >> that's why this incident -- not just that, but just the disregard for humanity as i mentioned before, i think that's what really just pulls at your heart strings and makes you wonder why was a sense of care and concern for this individual just absent from this situation by all who went to the scene? >> speaking of the people who went to the scene, did you speak to any of the officers after -- >> i have not. >> you have not? >> i have not. >> have you spoke to the family of tyre nichols? >> i have.
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i think i was just as emotional as they were. and you can't help but feel their pain. you can't help but even take ownership of what they are going through. and i've extended and availed myself to the family in the days to come, not just as a police chief but as a mother, as someone who felt the pain of ms. wells and her loss, and the sense of responsibility to do whatever i could, especially in the first steps of justice, you know, to terminate these officers and hopefully the rest of this process towards justice will be swift. >> in just moments i am going to speak to her and the step father. what do you say to them? >> i continue to let them know that we pray for them, and that i am still available. i extend heartfelt condolences
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and i think they know that. and we're going to be with them for the long haul. >> why not speak to the officers after? >> there's not much you can say. >> got it. >> not much you can say. >> the policy for the memphis police department requires officers to intervene, stop excessive force and reports the incidents immediately. did anyone on the video, will we see that did anyone do that or will we see that on the video at all? >> you will not see that on the video. >> there are two members of the fire department involved, what do you know about them? who are they? >> i don't know them specifically. i know there are two officers -- or two firefighters that were paramedics. i believe the fire chief quickly started an administrative investigation into their actions or inactions at that scene as well. >> what's their involvement? did they fail to render proper
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care? >> based on the video they failed to render proper care. based on my assessment. they just stood by. >> and didn't render care? >> they began to render care and concern, but it was long after -- several minutes and -- which was, you know, concerning for all of us that we see a number of failures where individuals did not exercise the amount of care that we are responsible for, you know, no matter what the cause is, we're responsible for exercising care. >> i want to go back quickly and ask you, do you know what sparked the confrontation, the initial stop? >> i think that's the piece that is just unknown. >> no one knows? >> no one knows. and it's obvious when you see this video that it begins at a high level. typically when we have traffic
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stops, something sparks or at least you're able to see what sparks this amount of aggression and physical, you know, activity with the driver. we cannot tell based on video what that was about. >> when did the beating start? was it initially or when he tried to run away? >> there is physical interaction between mr. nichols and the driver at the very beginning as the officers are trying to get him out the car. but it's still unknown what the original reason was for the stop in the first place. >> i have to ask you, it's five black officers, a black police chief, in a black community. what do you make of the race of the officers and what that says to the community and the country about the policing and the care? >> well, i think it does -- it takes off the table that issues and problems in law enforcement is about race, and it is not.
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it's about human dignity, integrity, accountability. and the duty to protect our community. and as this video will show you, it doesn't matter who's wearing the uniform, that we all have that same responsibility. so it takes race off the table but it does indicate to me that bias might be a factor also, you know, and the manner in which we engage the community. >> you've given -- i'm so -- i am -- i appreciate -- i shouldn't say happy because there's nothing happy about this. i appreciate that you have taken the time to be so candid and give us so much time. anything i missed? anything you would like to say to the community, the family, the country really about what you're dealing with here? >> so as someone who's been involved in the whole police reform conversation, you know, going before the senate, it's just important for me, as a leader, to not just talk about
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police reform, but to take swift action and also to represent other law enforcement leaders who have also reached out, who also believe that the way he handle these types of things, and unfortunately, a man had to die for us to get to a point we could exercise what justice looks like. but it's important for us to prove to the community that no matter we're going to do the right thing and work on our agencies and take a deeper dive and not just assume the officers are doing what they're supposed to do. >> do you need help from washington? there's a george floyd policing act just sitting there. >> absolutely. >> what do you say? >> some of the recommendations i was able to be part of in the george floyd policing act. the duty to intervene, ensuring choke holds are banned. ensuring officers can't move to
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other agencies when they do bad. we want those laws passed. those laws were put on the table and pushed to the side under the previous administration. some of those laws need to be passed so that agencies around the counted will have consistency in the manner in which we deal with our community. >> i appreciate you giving us the interview. >> thank you. >> i appreciate your candor. >> thank you. >> and the way you're dealing with this. >> thank you. >> best of luck. we'll be here throughout the day and let's hope it works out there and there's no violence. >> thank you. there you heard from the police chief of memphis. cj davis. speaking out about what was going on. her first interview happening here on cnn. and i want to bring in now my colleague sara sidner to talk about some of this. sarah, it's interesting that the chief discussed, during the initial stop, they can't figure out kpa what exactly led to the
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violence and the officers being so amped up, they had a duty to de-escalate, that did not happen. so the videotape, they ''ve bee saying all along, the charges speak to the videotape but we're not sure we're going to get any answers about what led up to this. >> reporter: don, listening to your interview with the police chief and how candid she was. the things that stood out to me were the level of aggression, not on tyre nichols' part, but on these professional supposed officers' part, was unexpl unexplainable, that stood out to me. that they were immediately aggressive instead of de-escalating when the stop first happened. the second thing that stood out to me from your interview is that she cannot, on any of the video, and there are lots of
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video chameras on the poles alog the streets, she cannot corroborate what the officers said happened for the reason for the stop, which was they claimed, aggressive driving. she has looked at several different cameras and was unable to see any kind of aggressive driving. the third thing that stood out, don, was that she said that this, very much like what we heard from the attorneys for the family that tyre nichols was beaten very similarly in a similar manner to what happened in 1992 -- >> if not worse. >> reporter: -- in los angeles with the police beating of rodney king. she said if not the same, worse. those are the things -- >> worse. >> reporter: -- what it leads to me to ask is did the officers lie when they put forward why they stopped him and what exactly happened? did they put that down on a police report?
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is that part of why they are charged with some of the charges that they now face for official misconduct? >> i think it's important as well. she said i cannot remove myself out of this whole idea of responsibility. obviously she's not out there with the officers. they are grown people, adults, professionals, but she said there needs to be better training. obviously something went wrong. this goes beyond training. she spoke to the -- you know, nationally what they need from the federal government, the type of reform they need in order to fix these situations. i think it was important she talked about race as well being a black police chief and black officers serving a black community. she said it takes for her race off of the table and this is more of being a human being, acted in a humane way rather than an inhumane way. sarah, thank you. we'll report this throughout the
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hour. we'll get back to sara sidner. the chief also spoke in the interview about the family of tyre nichols, the mother and step father, and in just moments i'm going to speak with them live as well here on cnn. so back to my colleague, kaitlan collins who's in this washington d.c. kaitlan, she talked about the need for reform and the help from folks in washington. and quite frankly, i hope they were listening to the interview and they will act. >> that was a really consequential interview, don. to hear her say that everything they observed the officers did was outside their training is a stunning statement from the police chief. it will be fascinating to see how lawmakers here on capitol hill respond to that. how the white house responds to it. because they've been weighing in as well. i'm going to be joined by the white house's john kirby, the spokesman for the national security council next. we'll discuss that, the latest on ukraine aid and the tanks
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>> translator: every russian missile against our cities, every iranian drone are arguments for why my weapons are needed. only weapons neutralize terrorist. >> that's president zelenskyy imploring for more help. putin launched 70 missiles at ukraine yesterday. russia also carried out 44 air strikes targeting energy facilities and targeting around a dozen people. the latest spike in aggression came after germany and the united states said they planned to send tanks to crukraine. joining us to discuss this is john kirby. russia said they see this as the u.s. being directly involved now. is the u.s. involved? >> this is russia's war on ukraine. putin has been putting out this is the u.s. versus russia or
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nato versus russia. it's not. it's russia versus ukraine. we're doing what we can to help ukraine defend itself. >> was united states reluctant to send the tanks? >> this is a conversation we had with the ukrainians and our partners now for weeks about armored capabilities because we knew as we got through the winter and as we get ready to prepare for the spring or as ukrainians prepare for the spring, having armored capabilities are going to be critical to conduct what we call combined arms operations which is to fight in open terrain, using all of your elements, and so the tanks were always a part of that conversation. >> but are the tanks going to be there if there is a spring offensive. >> the leopard tanks will probably get there from the germans in relatively short order, probably time to help them in the spring and summer. the american tanks will take a
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>> is president biden looking to make a trip in response to the first anniversary of the evalu invasion. >> our focus is on aiding ukraine. >> does he want to go to ukraine? >> he would like to do that but we're not at that point yet. >> the national archives sent a letter to all former presidents and vice presidents asking them to do a check if they have classified documents in their property. does president biden support that move by the national archives and see it as necessary? >> he respects the call by the national archives to ask for that. as you know, and we said many times, he takes the handling of classified materials seriously that's why we're so cooperative with the department of justice. >> senators here on capitol hill have argued they're not getting access to the documents, senators on the intelligence committee who say they should see what the documents are that biden took, trump took, pence
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had in his capacity. why is the administration not giving access to the documents? >> the documents, at least in the case of the president, are in the possession of the department of justice. this is an ongoing investigation, they have appointed a special counsel. we are going to respect that process and in that process is making sure we preserve the integrity to go through those documents. >> but they said the russia investigation, there were special counsel there and they could still access that. >> we want to make sure that we're giving them the time and space to do the investigation in the way they see fit. >> does the president want to see a change in how classified documents are handled? >> the president believes we all have responsibility to handle classified documents appropriately. there are very strict guidelines and procedures in place -- >> if they're strict how did he end up with so many documents. >> over time those prosteed yours can change and we're
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looking at whether or not we need to modify it. with electronic transmission, things are different. so we're looking at whatever procedures might be required but i don't think we're at a point we know there are changes that need to be made. >> it sounds like you would support looking at making changes. >> there is a constant process in the federal government to review protocols to make sure that they're still appropriate. that's something we do routinely. i'm not aware of any need to change anything right now. again, let the doj do their investigation and we'll see what comes out at the other end. i want to ask about memphis because president biden weighed in yesterday calling for a transparent investigation for the family of tyre nichols. how is the federal government preparing in case there is unrest in memphis? >> you heard the president yesterday join the family in calling for peaceful protests. we don't want to see anyone else hurt by this terrible, terrible tragedy. and we'll stay in close touch
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with local and state authorities. i don't have any federal assistance to speak to right now. but obviously we're going to stay in touch with local authorities and should there be a need we would be part and parcel of that conversation. hopefully the protests will stay peaceful. that's what i think everyone wants and frankly that's what's needed. >> john kirby, thanks for joining us. a competitive primary is shaping up for dianne feinstein's seat. she is still a sitting senator, has not announced if she is running again. but adam schiff announced he is running for that seat. don is on the ground in memphis ahead of the release of the video we were talking about there with john kirby. in 20 minutes he's going to speak with tyre nichols' parents and the family's attorney, ben crump, about all of this. health in older a adults.
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capitol hill this morning. democratic congressman adam schiff has just officially announced he is running for the senate in california. setting up a high profile primary for 89-year-old senator dianne feinstein's seat, she has not announced her own plans yet. >> senator where are you going to make your decision about 2024? >> probably in a couple of months. my husband passed away not too long ago. >> so sorry. >> i want to get through it. >> what do you make of people who are already announcing? >> i think it's all fine. i think people should, if they want to run, run. >> as the reporter mepgntioned there, katy porter is also running for the seat. congressman adam schiff is joining us. thank you, what is the likelihood you'll be running against a sitting senator here? >> i met with senator feinstein a couple of days ago and have talked with her periodically,
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she's been very gracious, expressed the same sentiments you just played, that was, you know, welcoming of my running for the office. she hasn't made a decision about her own plans, but i explained that i think our democracy is deeply at risk. it remains threatened by these extreme elements of the republican party, including the former president, and i think a big challenge and part of the reason it's so vulnerable is that for too many millions of americans, the economy just isn't working. they're working harder than ever, still struggling to get by, keep a roof over their head, provide for their family, these are issues i would like to champion in the senate, to learn more go to adamschiff.com. >> should we believe that she will ultimately step down and not run again by your launch? >> i would say, i think -- i say this out of respect for the
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senator, more than that admiration and affection for her. she's earned the right to make the decision on her own timetable and i want to give her the space and distance to do that. at the same time, as i mentioned, it's a big state and i want to get out to every part of the state and share the vision i have for leading california in the senate. and i'm really looking forward to it. the response has been wonderful from my colleagues in congress, from people up and down the state of california. but she'll make her decision at the time she judges the best time to do so. >> your colleague, katy porter is also running in this race. if the senator does run again, she is the oldest member of the senate right now. if she runs again, she'll be 91 years old. is 91 too old in your view for someone to be serving in the united states senate? >> you know, i think that age really depends on the capability of the member.
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i don't know that there's a specific age beyond which you shouldn't run for office. but i do want to speak to my own qualifications. over the last decade i've been at the center of every fight to protect our democracy, leading the investigations of former president trump, leading the first impeachment trial, securing the first bipartisan vote to convict a president in history, participating in the january 6th hearings to hold those accountable who would overturn our democracy. california does -- has come to expect their senator to be in the middle of these fights, protecting california's rights and values and interests. and that's what i've been doing and what i'd like to do in the senate. >> you mentioned trump several times in your launch video. how much of that has shaped what your run is going to look like and what it would look like if you become the next senator from california? >> i think the fight for democracy is far from over.
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hi to take on not only the former president but within 24 hours of my announcement i've been attacked by mike pompeo, kevin mccarthy, ted cruz, roger stone, you name it, this extreme maga world i have to contend it. i think it shows my mettle, i never backed down from these difficult fights. and sadly, as long as donald trump is the leader of that party, then our values, our country, our democracy are going to be at risk. i want to underscore where i think this is all coming from. again, i think it's the fact that over the last two or three decades our economy has become structured in a way that people can be working full-time and still not make enough to get by. they see their quality of life as less than their parents' and their childrens' future. and it leads them to consider a demagogue who comes along and says they alone can fix it.
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so issues of the economy, fairness of the economy, our democracy are intertwined. >> speaking of former president trump, meta, the parent company of facebook and instagram, has announced they will allow him back to the platforms, on facebook. you believe that's a bad decision? >> yes, i do. i think it's inexplicable, except for the profit motive of facebook and meta. if you look at what donald trump has been saying on his own social media platform, this so called truth social, none of that stuff would meet what facebook says is its own standards. he continues to push out lies about the 2024 election. he continues to give aid and comfort to those who committed the act of insurrection, people he incited, talking about part don -- pardoning them. all of them violating facebook
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policies so since he was taken off the platform indicates he wouldn't responsibly go back on the nplatform. the only thing to conclude, they think it's a money maker to have him back and that overrides the safety concerns for the american people. >> i'll note the aclu said trump should be allowed back on. i want to ask about the classified documents discussion we've had in washington here. we also learned that the former vice president mike pence had documents at his home, he's turned those over. given there's a special counsel for trump and biden, does there need to be one for pence in your view? >> i think the attorney general will have to weigh the circumstances where the documents were found, how many documents is there, is the former vice president cooperating? i don't know that a special counsel is necessary in every case. but the attorney general may want to consider it, one of the things that's important to the justice department, i spent almost six years there, is the appearance of fairness and the
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reality of fairness. and if the attorney general believes that in terms of the public perception of whether the department is acting in an even handed manner, they should appoint a special counsel in the case of the vice president, then that's what he should do. >> you're in the house now, running for the senate some of the intelligence members say they are frustrated that they are not getting access to these documents to be able to see them in a closed setting. do you believe the justice department and the administration would give these lawmakers access to these classified documents? >> i think that we should certainly be briefed on the documents, and this was a point i made after the mar-a-lago discoveries. it was a point i reiterated after it was discovered that president biden also had classified documents. the committee should be briefed on what's in those documents, what threat that may have been posed by where they were located and what steps are necessary to take to mitigate that threat. >> so you believe they should have access to those documents?
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>> i think they should be briefed on them, whether they need to have the specific documents in hand or not, i don't know. i would say that both the department and the congress need to be careful that what we do in handling this doesn't interfere with any investigation that the justice department is conducting. so, you know, with that caveat, i think we should be briefed in a way that allows us to do our oversight and protect our sources and methods. >> congressman adam schiff, now rubbin ing running for a senate seat in california, thank you so much for joining us on all of these important issues this morning. >> thank you. officials across the country are on high alert. they are bracing for protests that could erupt after the release of that video showing the brutal beating of police by tyree nichols. we'll have more on that and an exclusive interview with his parents. they'll sit down with don, just ahead.
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i'm don lemon live in memphis, tennessee, where in just moments, i'm going to speak with the parents of tyre nichols, the first interview that they have done since the officers have been charged. also, i'm going to get their reaction to that extraordinary interview from the memphis police chief where she says what we're going to see in that video that is released later is reminiscent, if not worse than what happened with rodney king. we're back live with "cnn this morning" in just moments. >> when that tape comes out tomorrow, it's going to be horrific. >> my lord. >> i didn't see it. but from what i hear, it's going to be horrifific. and effortlessly responds to both of you.
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