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good friday morning to you. so solemn day of news today, i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm erica hill. today the nation will see exactly what happened to 29-year-old tyre nichols during a violent encounter with police in memphis, tennessee. the injuries he sustained during that traffic stop ultimately leading to his death, and some of those videos, including those from police body cameras, have been described as appalling, horrific and inhumane. right now five memphis police officers have been fired, charged with several felonies,

including second-degree murder. this morning a remarkable one on cnn, cnn's don lemon spoke exclusively with memphis police chief c.j. davis revealing extensive new details about what you are going to see in the videos that will be released later today. the two meticulously walking through what led up to the traffic stop and remaining questions about that, the beating and the arrest of tyre nichols. also the ongoing investigations into the officers responsible. >> what was said was that there was a witnessing of what was considered reckless driving. we've looked at cameras, we've looked at body-worn cameras, and even if something occurred prior to this stop, we've been unable to substantiate that at this time. it doesn't mean that something -- something didn't happen, but there's no proof. >> that the cameras didn't pick up. >> that the cameras didn't pick up. >> the chief laying out just

what happened over the course of these two incidents, emphasizing the physical interaction between mr. nichols and the officers started when those officers attempted to remove him from the car. >> well, from the very beginning to me they were riled up, you know? i don't think they were as amped up as they were on the second -- at the second scene, but just the stop, the nature of the stop, very aggressive, loud, you know, communication, and it was -- it just rose from there. it escalated from there. mr. nichols was able to get away from these officers and they found him again at another location and at that point there was -- there was an amount of aggression that is unexplainable, you know, in any instance where you're an hending

someone, even in the worst situations when there is resistance, officers still have the responsibility to exercise care and regard for any individual that's in custody or they are attempt to go apprehend and they're trained to do that. >> you have to deescalate. >> and to deescalate. and that's a piece, i think, that is in question, but i think the escalation was there from the officers before training even needed to come in as relating to deescalate. the escalation was already at a high level. the video is broken into four different sort of fragmented pieces, but they are all very relative to this -- to this incident. the initial stop, the stop near tyre's home and also body-worn camera of individuals that were at that scene. >> so much in this video that

was really heart-stopping to hear, this interview. she said you're going to see acts that defy humanity in this video when it's released. chief davis said the report she reviewed shortly after the incident was, also, quote, a strange summary of what happened. she said that is what prompted her to review the incident as soon as she could. the chief described what she saw during that review, saying it was as bad, if not o worse, than the 1992 beating of rodney king. like thing her officers' actions, keep in mind, officer who serve under her to, quote, group think mentality. >> they acted just like any other normal officer, you know, respectful when they see you, but what i saw in this video was more of a group think sort of mentality, you know, a group think -- and no one took a step to intercept or, you know, intervene and that's why the charges are as severe as they

are. >> it has been said that it is reminiscent, perhaps worse, than the rodney king video. is that your assessment? >> that's my assessment. i was in law enforcement during the rodney king incident and it's, you know, very much aligned with that same type of behavior. >> it's worse? >> sort of group think. i would say it's about the same, if not worse. >> if not worse. >> if not worse. >> about the same, if not worse. what so many of us will see later today when that video is released. it's all of that, chief davis said, that led her to act immediately in response to -- and these are her words here -- this disregard for life, and as you just heard there, too, a response well beyond what was required in those moments. >> i was -- i was outraged, i was -- it was incomprehensible to me, it was unconscionable and

i felt that i needed to do something and do something quickly. i don't think i witnessed anything of that nature in my entire career. >> really? >> really. >> that bad? >> it was that bad. >> what are we going to see, then? >> you're going to see acts that defy humanity. you're going to see a disregard for life, duty of care that we are all sworn to and a level of physical interaction that is above and beyond what is required in law enforcement. and i'm sure that, you know, as i said before, that individuals watching will feel what the family felt, and if you don't,

then you are not a human being and we all are human beings and i think there will be a measure of sadness as well. >> cnn this morning anchor don lemon as well as sara sidner both joining us now from memphis with more. don, i just have to say this was such a powerful morning, not only your interview with the chief, your interview with tyre nichols' family and also a defense attorney. we are going to bring more of that throughout the morning so i just want to make sure people stay with us for that. this interview, don, with the chief, there was so much that came out of that in terms of details. the chief knowing right away that something was wrong here, that things were not handled properly, that there was no way to even see that there could be reckless driving. were you surprised by how forthcoming she was in this interview, don? >> stunned. stunned, erica. good morning to you and jim.

yes, stunned by the level of candor that she displayed in that interview, and when she said, listen, there is -- there's nothing in the videotape, there's no evidence of any reason why they would stop tyre nichols for reckless driving, they had been looking for it and they can't find it. even before reviewing the videotape she said when she got the call and she heard that he was in the hospital, she said something is wrong. this isn't -- this doesn't sound right for a reckless driving stop to end up with someone being in the hospital. so she said she knew immediately that something was wrong and then the next day when she was able to review the videotapes, obviously she said it was jaw dropping and immediately she knew that there had to be some disciplinary action taken, which led to the firing of all five of these officers. she's saying that this has nothing to do -- this is not

policing. this is beyond bad policing. this is beyond lack of training or bad training. this was just an inhumane act. to have the police chief of a major city in the united states talk about what happened with rodney king in 1992 and saying it's as bad if not worse i think is remarkable, it is stunning, you know. look, she said there were safety issues as far as releasing everyone -- everyone has been asking about releasing a videotape and why it is released on a friday night and why so late. she said they were looking out not only for the safety of the officers but for the safety of the community. they wanted the kids to be home safe, out of school. they wanted people to be home safely from work. they wanted people to be as much as possible off the streets and off of the roads and what have you. that is why the videotape is released. so, look, i can't imagine what

we're going to see, but we certainly heard a little bit of it from the family and we heard from the police chief as well. >> sarah, that raises questions about the legal implications of those comments. the police chief saying i expected serious charges, quote, unq unquote,. she says you're going to see acts that defy humanity in this video, quote, unquote, and she also notably says they have not been able to substantiate reckless driving, which would have then justified or at least been an explanation for the police stop. you spoke to the da this morning -- >> jim, can i say something about reckless driving? >> sure. >> that reckless driving charge, we have heard that a lot on these stops. when we do these stories, that reckless driving can be a catch all for anything. what is reckless driving? a blinker is out. a flasher is out, a head lamp is out, you cross the line, maybe you're looking at a cellphone. anything, you get distracted or something. the whole reckless driving, what would substantiate that. >> no question.

listen, we had police pull over justified by having a deodorant on the rearview mirror, you remember that case as well. i wonder how the da is describing, first of all, next steps but also how they're processing public comments and they factor into those next steps. >> yeah, this morning i spoke at length with the shelby county da and we will have some of that for you later in the day. he said a couple of things. one, the first thing i asked him was in plain speak, not in the language of the justice system, but in plain speak did these officers beat tyre nichols to death? and he said yes. >> wow. >> now, he would not go further as to what exactly happened because they have to be very careful, the da is not the police chief, is not the defense attorneys, is not the family, or the public. the da has to be very careful about how he talks about this video and was very careful not to say everything that was on

the video, but he agreed that this is how tyre nichols died at the hands of officers. he was beaten to death. that is a hard thing to hear for any of us, but for the family and the unbelievable pain that they have to be feeling, and we saw that in your interview that was excellent, that is going to stick with them for the rest of their lives, and this video may stick with all of us for the rest of our lives. secondly, i asked him if there was any evidence that he saw of reckless driving, in other words, do they have any of that video? and he said you will not be seeing any of that. we are still investigating, but what is being released will not show the lead up to this. and lastly i said, did the officers lie on the police report or lie to the police department, because we now know from your interview that they told the family that it was a dui and they told the police

department in their report that it was reckless driving. which one is it? it sounds like there is untruth, there is lies that may have been coming from these officers and as the family said, as the mother said, this looks like a cover up. that's how she saw it. >> you know, erica, echos of the first police report in the george floyd case certainly did not have the details that were later shown in the video. >> when we think about the family, don, your interview with tyre nichols' mother, his stepfather, their attorney this morning was to powerful. i was struck by the strength of mrs. wells, struck by her grace frankly. she has not watched that full video. her husband did. he told you, don, he didn't want her to see it all. but the fact that we know and we haven't seen it yet, but the fact that he confirmed that it ends with tyre nichols calling out for his mother, just feet, frankly, from the home, what was

your take away from that? again, it was so powerful. just i am in awe of the strength of this family to come out and talk about it, and yet it's so necessary and it is so sad that we are here yet again, don, where a family has to talk about this moment that they should never ever be in. >> listen, there is a lot here. let me just say -- and it's not, you know, you, erica. i didn't want to say in the interview stepfather because i grew up with a stepfather and my stepfather didn't think he was my stepfather, he was like i'm his dad. mr. wells referred to tyre as his son. so, look, i know technically it's correct but i wish as a network we stopped calling him a stepfather because he wasn't a step away, he was the guy's dad, he was the guy's father. the other thing is that when i sat there i forgot that i was in an interview. i was just talking to a mom and a dad, right, in the interview and i don't know if you -- i could not -- i didn't have

return, which is in tv language i couldn't see what was on the air because i was talking to them, i wasn't able to see t but i don't know if you guys saw when he was describing what was in the videotape she looked away, she couldn't even look at him. she was flinching because she didn't want to hear what happened to her son. so he described what happened, i think the most important part is when he talked to -- talked about seeing the lack of care from the fire department and from the officers, they were walking around smoking and that they propped his son up and then used expletives when he slumped over. here is some of this. >> he said, what did i do? why are y'all doing this to me? what did i do? and they proceeded to snatch him out of the car and was trying to wrestle him to the ground. he got scared, so he was

athletic enough to get out of their situation and run, and he was trying to run home because we were -- he was three blocks from the house when they stopped him. so after the initial encounter, we didn't see anything because actually when the body cam started they were already engaged. and then there was the second body cam with the sky cam that videoed the encounter, and when i saw the police officer -- you know, they have this little like stick, this metal thing that they pull out. >> like an antenna style. >> an antenna, exactly. >> retractable. >> yes, and i saw them pull that out and starting beating my son with it. i saw officers hitting on him, i saw officers kicking him, one officer kicked him like he was

kicking a football a couple of times and -- but the most -- the most telling thing about the video to me was the fact that it was maybe ten officers on the scene and nobody tried to stop it or even after they beat him and they propped him up against a car, no one rendered aid to him whatsoever. they walked around, smoking cigarettes like it was all calm and like, you know, bragging about what happened. >> an hour of video? >> yes. >> and you saw him just sitting there? >> he was sitting there and then he slumped over, and an officer walked over to him and said, sit back up. mother -- you know. and while he's handcuffed. so he had -- they propped him back up and he slumped over again and they propped him back

up again, but no one was rendering aid. i saw some fire department people come out there and they just walked around, nobody showed him any aid, and they're supposed to be trained in first aid. by the time the paramedic truck pulled up, this is when we couldn't see anything because the paramedic truck blocked the camera, so i was told that the lady who was driving the paramedic truck never got out. >> that was hard. that was hard, erica and jim, to sit there and listen to, you know, someone who is -- you remember freddie gray, sara. >> i do. >> when they talked about not rendering care and what happened in the freddie gray case. >> in baltimore. >> in baltimore. they were just -- i would imagine that's the charges, the reason for the charges for the fire department, but that was very tough. another very tough part, when she said she went to the

hospital and saw her son, immediately she knew, she said, my son will never be the same if he lives. he is going to be a vegetable. that his face was swollen up, his nose was like an ". s. i mentioned that reminded me of emmett till. he said yes, that's why he took the picture there. we saw that picture and we will see the video. it's a tough time for the family and it will be tough for the community. look, i don't think there's going to be violence, i hope there's not violence here, but from everything that i've heard this is going to be tough to see. >> i've talked with the community and they have said they don't even -- some of them don't want to watch the video, a lot of us don't want to watch the video but they will and we're hoping that it doesn't further injure the people that have to deal with this. >> erica, i didn't mean to chastise you, as someone who grew up as a stepdad i knew how

he hated being called a stepdad, he would say you are my son, you are not my stepson, you are my son. >> there is no chastising and you are right. one of my two mother-in-law's would say the same thing about her stepson, my husband, he is her son. you're absolutely right, don. stay with us, there is much more we want to share from those interviews this morning, so we will have much more on that just ahead, stay with us, don's exclusive interview with tyre's parents, her reaction to the charges of second-degree murder and why she believes, as don started to touch on, those officers were already trying to cover up in her view what they had done when they first arrived at her door. credit cards wasn't good. i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. between the high interest,t, the fees... i felt trappeded. debt, debt, debt.. so i broke up with my credit card debebt and consolidated it into a low-r-rate personal loan from sofi. i finally feel like a grown-up. break up with bad credit card debt. get a personal loan with no fees,

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horrific, heinous and inhumane by the police chief, nichols died three days after the injuries sustained during that arrest. >> cnn's don lemon spoke to tyre's parents in their first interview since charges were announced against five police officers involved. they described seeing tyre for the first time in the hospital. >> you wanted first-degree murder charges. >> yes. >> you didn't get that. >> no. the charges that were filed against those officers are good charges. those are the charges that i feel will stick. and so i'm happy with the charges that the district attorney has set forth. >> mom, when did you first learn about this? how did you hear? >> the memphis police department banged on our door approximately

around -- between 8:30 and 9:00, asking if i knew tyre nichols, and we said, yes, what's going on? he's been arrested. arrested for what? dui. dui? my son don't drink like that. what do you mean dui? well, we had to pepper spray him and tase him, so he's being attended to by the paramedics and we will send him to the hospital and then after that he will go to booking. what? they then asked me was he on any type of drugs or anything of that nature because he was -- they were saying that it was so difficult to put the handcuffs on him and he had this amount of

energy, super-human energy. what they were describing was not my son, so i was very confused. i asked if i can go to the hospital, they told me no. they left. my husband and i, we got in our car and we went to go see if we could find ty because he wasn't answering his phone or anything. when i asked them where my son was, they said nearby. nearby? what is nearby? i got nothing from them. i think now that i'm actually putting things together, i believe they were trying to cover it up when they first came to my door. uh-huh. when my husband and i got to the hospital and i saw my son, he

was already gone. they had beat him to a pulp. he had bruises all over him, his head was swollen like a watermelon, his neck was busting because of the swelling. they broke his neck. my son's nose looked like an "s." they actually just beat the crap out of him. so when i saw that i knew my son was gone then, even if he did live, he would have been a vegetable. that was my baby. he was a mama's boy. that boy loved me to death. he has my name tattooed on his arm. people don't know what those five police officers did to our

family. and they really don't know what they did to their own families. they have put their own families in harm's way. they have brought shame to their own families. they've brought shame to the black community. i just feel sorry for -- i feel sorry for them. i really do. i really feel sorry for them. >> why do you say that? >> because they didn't have to do this. and, like i said, they brought a lot of shame to their own family. once you see this video, and i know i didn't see it, but from what i hear, it's horrific, and the humanity of it all, where was the humanity?

they beat my son like a piñata. my son, he was -- he had crohn's disease, he had surgery in 2013. my son weighed a buck 50. he was 6'3" and he weighed a buck 50 and those men, if you combine their weights, it was over 1,000 pounds beating and beating 150-pound person to death. because that's what they did, they beat my son to death. >> he cried out for his mom. >> yes. yes, he cried out for me because i'm his mother, and that's what he was trying to get home to

safety, and it was funny, i was in the room earlier and my stomach started hurting so bad, and i went into the den, i told my husband, my stomach is hurting so bad. once i found out what happened, it was just the fact that i was feeling my son's pain. i was feeling my son's pain when they were beating him to death. >> we are struck most in a story like this by a mother's pain. i'm sure anyone watching that at home right now could feel it in those tears. a video so powerful, it seems, so demeaning, that mother doesn't want to see it, unable to see it. >> and then to see your child's nearly final moments like that, to know that he's calling out for you, to know that he is just

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just before the break we heard from tyre nichols' mother as she shared the gut-wrenching account of how her son was beaten at the hands of police, beaten to death. we want to continue our conversation now, so many questions to look into. joining us cnn political commentator bakari sellers and also cnn law enforcement analyst jonathan wackrow. bakari, i always think of my mom in situations like that, imagine her reaction or any mother's reaction. this is a mother in mourning and in shock. as you heard those words and what she's learned so far from police about this, what was your reaction? >> exhaustion. this has become cyclical, this cycle of systemic racism, systemic injustice, we've been on -- i've been on with cnn since 2015 and this has to be the 10th, 15th time we've spoken about this, we've seen the pain of black families having to live through this.

i want people to truly understand the systemic nature of the injustice that we're seeing perpetrated against black bodies. i am trying to be as diligent as possible when talking about the race of the officers because, jim, practically speaking that doesn't matter. this is a system whereby black folk are not valued. and we heard from his father, we heard from his mother about the images you will see on that video and i think that those images will show you the basic tenet that we've been talking about since we've been blue in the face from emmett till to now, mr. nichols, that black folk don't get the benefit of their humanity. >> you know, erica, the emmett till name, don lemon brought that up, too, we think of these episodes as part of distant history, right, and yet here we are in the year 2023. >> it's having, too, bakari and also picking up on what you said, it's come up, right, about

the race of the officers and this is not what that's about. it's about the conduct of the officers and the police chief said as much to don this morning, that you can take that out of it. this is about the way they acted. something else that stands out, bakari, is with hearing from the police chief that in her view this is as bad as, if not worse than that video of rodney king from 1992, our colleague josh campbell pointing out what's interesting is in 1992 those officers didn't know that they were being filmed. officers today, bakari, no he that they are being filmed, they know that they're wearing body cameras, this he know there are cameras all around the city. so when you factor that in, in terms of conduct, in terms of where we're at, how does that sit with you? s>> that's a good question. that's actually a really good question. i think that it goes to the gratuitous nature whereby individuals who look like me are

treated by law enforcement, right? and so if you beat somebody behind closed doors, that just means you have a really fundamentally flawed character because character is who you are when no one is looking. if you beat somebody out in the -- under just, you know, light with cameras and video around, other people, that shows that you didn't believe that person to be human. you figured no one would care because that person was less than human. so that -- under that analysis it shows that this is actually worse than rodney king because in rodney king they thought they were doing something under the cover of darkness, which they had done many times before. in this case they wanted to beat him and beat him and pummel him because they figured no one would care, and that's my fundamental problem with this entire system. you can talk about the jump out boys, you can talk about the red dogs, you can talk about the scorpion unit, that is what they're called in different municipalities which usually lead to bad policing, but

fundamentally you have to give black folk the benefit of their humanity and we just don't see that often enough. >> jonathan wackrow, you have the events during that beating, you now have law enforcement involved, you have charges issued, you have the reactions we're seeing now from the police chief and the family and now you're going to have a video out and a public reaction to seeing what the police chief herself said, acts that defy humanity. she said you're going to see, she said to don, a disregard for life. what preparations must law enforcement be making now for reaction to this, and is there -- is there some benefit in that reaction in terms of teeing this up a bit, preparing people for exactly what they're going to see later today? >> listen, from what we are hearing from chief davis and others who have witnessed this video, i don't think that there's a level of preparedness that is -- is going to really

wholly allow us to prepare for what we're going to witness, right? seasoned law enforcement officers, prosecutors, are describing this as just such a horrific act. you know, when this video does get released, it is going to send a shock wave across the united states, not just memphis. it undermines the credibility of law enforcement, their legitimacy, their ability to operate in the communities that they serve. it's going to raise a whole bunch of new issues, but to bakari's point, we have to solve the issues from the past, right? we have to get greater accountability. what we heard this morning from the interview with chief davis by don lemon, is that she's saying that accountability runs throughout the department. the memphis police department has actually put in to practice a whole bunch of policies to try to avoid this in terms of

deescalation training and other measures. why wasn't that applied in this case? right? why did this five individuals feel like they could act with -- we are talking about body-worn cameras, all of the surveillance, with impunity. that's the question why. why did this happen? >> the chief did reference that, talking about an unexplainable amount of reaction, the escalation was there even before the deescalation training would have come in. there is so much more to this, unfortunately we have to leave it there for the moment. bakari, jonathan, always appreciate your insight. appreciate your observations. appreciate you sharing them with us. please stay with us because you're going to hear that full cnn interview, that exclusive interview with the memphis police chief, including new details about the reason that officers gave for pulling tyre nichols over, all of that coming up at the top of the hour.

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just in this morning, perhaps some good economic news, a key economic report shows that prices rose at a slower pace last month. >> cnn chief business correspondent christine romans joining us now. so this is often called the fed's favorite inflation gauge. what does it tell us about future rate hikes? >> it tells us that price hikes are slowing and that's a good thing. this is inflation cooling, and that's what you want to see. from month to month prices -- the pce it's called up 0.1%, year over year up 5%. 5% seems like a big number but that's down from a peak of like 6.3% that we had seen this fall -- there, see, that shows you clearly that peaking. let me show you another number, though, inside this report that i think is really important. consumer spending pulled back a little bit, down 0.2%.

that shows a consumer a little bit more wary and the savings rate now rose a little bit to 3.4%. that tells me that consumers are kind of trying to protect themselves against uncertainty in 2023. maybe they have heard about somebody they know in tech who lost a job or maybe they are concerned about higher interest rates. they are still higher interest rates to deal with here. i think a really good way to look at all of these numbers we have heard this week is 2020 was the year of the covid crash, 2021 was the year of this huge rebound, right, the fastest economy, was in the white house and then 2022 was really a year of transition and we're not quite sure what 2023 will look like. a lot of head winds but still a fed frying to navigate this and have what is called a soft landing. the fed meets this coming up week. we're expecting a smaller race hike and we get a jobs report next friday. so there is still a lot of information ahead to tell us where we are. >> and we're only a month in.

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rieght now the prosecution s questioning their seventh witness in the case of alex murdaugh over the death of his wife and son. >> shocking charges. that is underway. and diane is live at the courthouse. a detective on the stand. what is the focus of questioning? >> reporter: well, this detective, jim and erica, is one who actually prepared the search warrant on that night. yesterday the first day of testimony for witnesses included six different members of law enforcement or other first responders and 911 dispatcher and what we're seeing the state do here, we're kind of getting a picture of them attempting to set the scene in a timeline situation for what happened on june 7th, 2021. but also what alex murdaugh's

demeanor was when law enforcement arrived on scene to find the gruesome murdered bodies of his wife maggie and paul his 22-year-old son. while in court, alex murdaugh was openly weeping while they were playing this body cam video. the detective who first got on scene said that while murdaugh was upset, and he was anxious, but he wasn't crying. he didn't have any tears. and there was even a strange moment on the body cam where he's kind of hysterical and someone else walks by and he goes, hey, what is up and breaks out of character and then goes back. but we also note that the first thing that he said to the deputy that arrives on scene is about a 2019 boat crash that killed a friend of paul's and paul was charged in and awaiting trial at the time of his death. murdaugh said that paul had been receiving threats and that he's like i know that is what this is about. he also mentioned it on a 911 call. we got to here previously

redacted portions from the 911 call that alex murdaugh placed that night. jim and erica, they're also attempting to talk about the scene, the defense trying to poke holes and saying this was not a secured crime scene and pictures that weren't taken that should have been of evidence that might have point to different killers according to the defense. >> dianne gallagher with the latest from south carolina there. thank you. well, coming up next, and you do want to see this, the full cnn exclusive with the memphis police chief, her preview of what that body camera video will show and why she immediately knew that she needed to see the pictures, the images herself. please stay with us. y fresh 'n y yep, it's back. for a limited time. the e six dollar rooty tooty fresh 'n fruity combo. 2 eggs, 2 bacon strips, anand 2 fruit topped pancakes. only from ihop. ♪ at morgan stanley, we see the world with the wonder of new eyes, ♪

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