me. and when you watch this, it's just, it's hard to believe that none of them would offer him any kind of aid at this point. and you see, he's handcuffed at this point. and shohe's seemingly unconscio he's falling in different directions. >> i think he's going in and out of consciousness, because there's a point where he sits down. >> so he's still talking, you are sort of lapsing in and out of consciousness, but the trajectory is that the brain will just continue to swell. and that's -- that's the real problem. and that's why timing is so critical. i mean, you have to render care. but he needed to be going to a hospital as quickly as possible, and the ems vehicle, as far as i can tell, is there. that's what's so, it's anxiety-provoking to watch that. >> yeah. well, sanjay, thank you.

thank you, shimon. stand by. i'm going to toss it back to my colleagues in new york. but you're watching the video being played now, being released by the memphis police department at this point. erin? >> don, you know, it is amazing, as we watch this together, you're in memphis, i'm here, we're watching this and we are still watching. everyone should understand, this is still the actual video released by the city of memphis. so as we're watching here, this isn't a replay. this isn't a let's just show how long it took them. this is still happening. he is still lying there. we understand there's another six or seven minutes more to go before this sky cam video ends. so all of this time is happening as they're milling around and as sanjay was just telling don, in critical condition, you have someone lying on the ground there and they're doing nothing, as our converage continues, thi is a special edition of "anderson cooper 360" and i'm erin burnett along with my colleague don lemon who's been on the ground covering this

story tirelessly from memphis. all of our reporters and our experts are standing by. van jones is also with us. van, i want to emphasize again. we are not replaying it. this is not a clip. this is still happening. nothing has happened. the beating is now more than 12 or more minutes ago and he's just still lying on the ground. >> brutal, inhumane, unacceptable, unjustifiable. i mean, he's just now getting attention. a dog being beaten would have been helped by somebody at this point. also, you know, talk about the images. the voices are so telling. tyre's voice, the first time you hear him, he's calm, he's trying to calm the police down. he's saying, all right, all right, all right. he goes from a voice of reason and calm. they are so brutal toward him that he runs. the next time you hear him, went from calm to panicked.

ma, ma, ma, ma, ma! screaming for his mother. he's a hundred yards from his house, hoping that somebody can help him. and then he goes from a voice of calm to panic to agony, completely incoherent. unable to form a word. you watch this deterioration of a human being. if you couldn't see it, you could hear it. you could hear it. and then the cops' voices, profane, "i hope they stomp his ass," unbelievable level of viciousness. and the only sympathy is for themselves. because they're so busy pepper spraying him, they're pepper spraying each other. look at the reaction of the police to the pepper spray. they can't stand the burning, the sensation. they need help from each other, and yet it's continuing for someone else and no aid to someone else who got the full force of the pepper spray. and so even if you didn't see

these images, just the voice of tyre, you can tell that he was -- the only calm person at the beginning. at the end, he can't even form a word. this is disgusting, it's despicable, it's inhumane, it is shocking. it's as bad as people said, but even if you can't see it, you could hear the inhumanity here. >> john miller, one thing that i think was so powerful, as van's words, as profound as they are, is the fact that there was no audio. we heard screaming from the police body cam, but the part where we could see it didn't have audio. and for me, that actually was more powerful. to be forced to watch something without the audio, when i knew what was happening. >> well, oftentimes, it's the view that allows you to stand back from the incident and not be in the middle of it and remove all of the distractions of the sounds where you can see it most clearly. and that's what we just experienced when you saw that first baton strike, followed by

the two or three head kicks followed by the head punches that were going on, whbut when u see what happens after, when it goes to this pitch brutality to slow motion, when he's lying there, there's a fire department unit gets there, an ambulance team, and they're standing there, and they engage in a brief conversation and the medical bag is sitting on the ground. >> yep. >> and they're still standing there and an enormous amount of time is going by without a stretcher coming out, without him being put in an ambulance, without vital signs being taken, without injuries being assessed, and as sanjay told us, we've seen multiple instances of blunt head trauma where his brain is starting to swell, a concussion is turning into something worse and the two medical

professionals are kind of standing around waiting for -- it's not clear what. >> and darren, this is what -- nine times in under four minutes, we understand from watching this, is how many times he was struck. and what you are struck by watching this is the complete and utter lack of urgency by anybody. it seems like there's paperwork coming out. there's absolutely no care for the fact that there's a human being sitting there. >> absolutely. you have to take into consideration police officers are public servants. the public is not being served appropriately in this case. but i want to go back to another point that you mentioned earlier, erin, in connection with the view that we have, the silent view. the pole camera gives us an unobstructed view, whereas when we look at the body cam video from the officers, it's somewhat juxt juxtaposed, it's bouncing all over the plaus. so we don't have the ability to gain a clear and concise angle, wher whereas the pole camera gives us

a more comprehensive perspective as to what's happening. we can frame this accordingly. and when we speak to the testament of a person that's in need of care, you as police officer, it's commonplace for an officer to shoot someone and then turn around and do cpr on that same person that you shot. but we look at this situation, we have officers that are clearly embarking upon a campaign of brutal and no one is doing anything to help him. and so it goes back to the failure to act, the failure of the care, and the overall obliviousness of the officer that are just standing around, when we clearly had someone that should have been taken into custody and removed from the scene. >> finally, you see a stretcher. this is still the video playing out. everyone should know, it has not finished, we are not replaying it. finally a stretcher has come. and joey, as we're talking about this, when you watch it, you feel as if it's sort of everybody just ganging up. ganging up on somebody. >> you do. and i think, erin, that that is part and parcel for why the prosecutor is charging it and

acting in concert. remember, there is no distinction from a prosecution perspective with regard to what they're being charged with. and if you look at the charges and you look at their conduct, i think you can match it pretty clearly and make the case in front of a jury. there are people who are asking, hey, is it murder 1, is it murder 2? well, what's the difference? the prosecutor in murder 1 does not have to prove it's a premeditated killing, but instead has to prove under murder 2 that it's a knowing killing. what does that mean? it means you're reckless. you have to know and appreciate that as a result of that conduct that a death could result. and you cannot tell me if you're punching someone indiscriminately and repeatedly in the face, if you're kicking somebody in the face and about their body if you're using a baton to strike them multiple times that you can't appreciate that that would. . what more so, erin? look at the weight differential. we've heard the reports with respect to mr. nichols and him

weighing 140 pounds and being 6'3". look for our own eyes how big these officers are. and that certainly is going to play into the prosecution here. just really hard to watch. >> incredibly hard to watch. and of course, five of them charged with second-degree. and a lot of others. nine or ten, we've counted coming out. we don't yet have charges for and we don't know where that will go, don. as we're watching this, finally an ambulance pulling up here, don, as we're all watching. this is still all playing out. all of them standing around. the ambulance now pulling up. >> and i'm wondering about the training of these officers and exactly what's the reason -- don miller, can you answer this question? what's the reason for these pole cameras? who's watching these pole cameras? if you have an incident obviously that's ongoing and someone can see it somewhere. what's the reason? is someone watching these cameras? why wouldn't they send help. why wouldn't they get on the horn and say, something is wrong

here. what's going on? >> generally, someone isn't watching these pole cameras. generally, the pole cameras are there to record things in areas where they're having crimes. and then understand you have the report of the crime, you can rewind the camera and look, do we have a suspect, do we have the actual crime and so on? that's the primer purpose. what's interesting about the pole camera, and we'll have to go back over this later, is that at the beginning of it, you see it's far away than you see it pans over and zooms in. we're going to have to figure out was someone on the pan/tilt/zoom other end of that -- >> yeah, why did it zoom. >> or is it a thing where they located the camera, and they pulled it up to make it clearer? that's something we'll have to get to the bottom of. but i think when you look at some of the things that the lieutenant has said, you come back to the three places, it's a highly specialized unit, what's

selection process for these officers, because you're supposed to be getting the best of the best. what was the added training beyond their normal police training, because they're going to be involved in crimes in progress and armed people. and the thing and you're o supervisoring your team. here we have five police officers, then eight, no supervisor on the scene. the difference would be, not that you would have a ranking person to supervisor an act of police brutality. the difference would be you would have the level of supervision and experience for someone to very early on say, okay, what have you got? that translates to, how did this start quick what's it about?

well, it was traffic, sir. this is traffic only, we're not chasing the stickup man, we don't have a pound of narcotics, we don't have a gun in the car? so let's wind this thing down. let's wind this thing down now. none of that occurs. this is an incident that is entirely self-propelling. and that's a problem. and one that the chief recognized. she said, i have a span of control problem. we don't have enough super supervisors. >> john miller. everyone there, stand by in new york. we're live here in memphis, tennessee, and we'll go live to our colleague sara sidner who is at the scene where tyre nichols was beaten by police. she's going the show us exactly where the police beating happened. plus this. we are watching protests right now in cities all across the u.s. these are images that you're going to look at in just moments. wusa, our affiliate there out of washington. we'll be back in just a moment live here on cnn with our special coverage of al"a.c. 360"

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they have been chanting, no justice, no peace. although i will emphasize that peaceful protest thus far. out of philadelphia, some images that we can share with you of crowds marching through the streets. again, there, though, all the protests are peaceful. and it is, don, when you think about it right now, and obviously, the night is early, there has been a plea from the family, a plea from president biden for peaceful protests, at least at this early time, that is what we're seeing. >> and we hope it remains that way. and we expect it to that remain that way, because if you look at how this police department, this police chief, this city has handled it so far, listen, no city, no person is perfect, but they have done a good job in explaining to people what was to be in this video that we have seen. also, acting immediately by firing the police officers and at least trying to get some accountability before releasing the video tape. and then, erin, i want to get to our colleague now, sara sidner,

who is at the scene where tyre nichols was savagely beaten by five members of the memphis police department. so sara, you're there in the neighborhood where we saw on the camera. we heard tyre crying out for his mom on the corner where you are, where officers showed really no concern for his life, just disregard. >> reporter: disregard, disrespect for humanity, really, is what we saw. kick after kick, punch after punch. and i think those were laid just around here. you see there behind me, our photographer, jerry, is going to kind of give you a look at what this neighborhood is. it's a neighborhood of houses that are, you know, very similar. it is a quiet neighborhood here, and we know you hear over and over again, you hear him screaming, "mom, mom, mom, mom," he's screaming that because he is so close to home. he's about 80 or so yards,

according to his mother and his mother said to me today, i am sure he was actually hoping that i could hear him, and i am devastated as a mother, she said, because i couldn't be there in his time of need to save him. i want to show you what captured all of this, because had it not been for what they call the sky cop, you see the blue light up there, and underneath it, there is the shield, and then mpd, we are hearing from people in the neighborhood, that took the video that we all saw. without it, we may not have gotten the full picture of exactly what happened. because you notice that the body cam video of one of the officers was obscured at some point. you could only hear what was going on. and the body camera video that we watched of another officer who drove up and then subsequently came to this part of the scene, because there were really two scenes here.

the first one where there was extreme aggression, extremely immediately, when they came upon tyre nichols. we don't know what that's all about. and then again here, there was just a beat down. and one person described it to us, it looked like a pack of wolves. that's what we heard from the attorneys for the nichols' family. that to them, this appeared to be a pack of wolves. people who had just lost their minds and decided to take out a human being. with no care for anything about who he is and that he is somebody's child. that's what we are experiencing here. it is very quiet, it is peaceful in this neighborhood. we know there is a vigil just down the street about a mile or so being held in one of the churches here where people were praying. we saw them praying. my producer and i have been talking about it. she went to see, they were just praying, because they knew this video was going to come out and

they knew this video was going to be painful, injurious, not jnot just to the family, but they are going to suffer the most, but also an injury to the entire community. and a couple of police officers that i know have said, this is so bad for us as well. and the mother of mr. nichols, not only being and calling for peace, but saying, the officers' lives are forever ruined. they hurt their own families with what they did. and she just cannot understand it. and she just doesn't know how to process this. she has not processed it yet. but this happened in her neighborhood. and she's going to have to live with that for the time being. and that is going to be very, very difficult when she's able to process what happened to her son, who she called a free spirit. don? >> i hope that people are listening to miss wells and that

they are going to heed her words about keeping everything peaceful. protests, if you want, but make sure it's peaceful. sara sidner live in the neighborhood where it happened. sarah, thank you very much. i want to get back now and talk about the video. and you see some of the pr protests. there's one now in memphis, tennessee, courtesy of our affiliate, and as erin pointed out -- excuse me, that's washington, d.c. as erin pointed out, they're happening all over the country and they are peaceful so far. justice for tyre nichols, it says. jail killer cops, some of the signs that are there. and they are screaming, no justice, no peace. and in this case, though, it does look like there will be justice. we hope that there is peace. i want to get now to cnn's shimon prokupecz, as we talk about the video that has just been released by the memphis police department. and shimon, we've been going over the poll camera video. we went over the body camera video as well. they call it the skycam video

here. it is awful to witness the disregard, just the blatant disregard for human life coming from the police officers. speaking to the police chief, watching this, i know that there's going to be some change, if not for a complete overhaul, a complete at least revamping of training for officers in the city. >> and the family has now called for that today, for the revamping of the police department -- >> get rid of that scorpion unit. >> that's what they want to do. and they may get their way. look, this is a unit, these anti-crime units, and john miller can speak to this probably better than anyone, that are sometimes problematic across the country, because there's this aggression. their job is to get out there and stop the crime before it happens. >> i want to play the video, this is from the third body camera and then you and i can discuss. it's probably the one that is the most -- it's the hardest to watch, but it gives us an idea of what was going on. here it is.

>> all right. i'm on the ground. >> lay down! lay down! >> please -- >> on the ground! >> i'm gonna taze you! come on, get on the ground! now! >> taze him! >> all right, okay, all right, all right. >> i'm going to break you -- >> okay, dude, dang. >> stop trying to fuck around! >> okay -- >> bitch, put your hands -- >> okay, you guys are really doing a lot right now. i'm just trying to go home. >> man, if you don't lay down -- >> i am on the ground! >> on your stomach! >> i am. >> get back -- >> i'm not doing anything. >> taze him! > >> shit! >> you can see there towards the end, they're trying to taze him, but this is the initial altercation where he's asking them, what's happening, and they're not explaining. >> so aggressive, right?

police officers now are taught de-escalate. you see no de-escalation there. that is a full-on escalation, for what reason? for what reason? and it goes against everything that they are taught and trained to do. and they were riled up. they came in hot. they came in hot. >> all right. our shimon prokupecz, stand by. we have a lot to get to tonight as we watch these protests happening all across the country. so far, as we have been saying, they have been peaceful. i want to bring in now memphis city councilman, council chairman, martavious jones. mr. chairman, thank you so much. we appreciate you joining us this evening. we are all now seeing this video for the first time that you were able to see earlier today. your reaction from what you saw? >> look, john, it's hard to watch the video, where you know, at the end --

[ inaudible ] >> i understand your reaction, councilman. it is hard to watch. and i think what you're going to say, it's hard to watch a video where you know at the end, it ends in the beating death of a young man. are you okay? it's okay, councilman. a lot of people are feeling like you are. do you want to continue on or do you want me to let you go?

no, i'm -- i -- i'm sorry. i'm sorry. uh -- >> don't apologize. >> don't apologize for being a human being. >> we, we, we -- we have to do something. this -- not that we were immune to anything, but this wasn't supposed to happen in our community. you know to have -- this is a --

a traffic stop. just, it wasn't supposed to end like this. >> have you been holding this in since the beginning? >> oh, we've got to do something, don. we, you know, to think that this is my last year in office, we

have to build a better memphis, we've got to build a better memphis for mr. nichols. we have to let his legacy, his sacrifice, the sacrifice that his mother would not have her son anymore, we cannot let this go unaddressed. we cannot let this go unaddressed. so, you know, i hope that -- well, i'm sure that my colleague will stand with me. we're going to have to have some tough conversations. as i've said before, if people want to make -- want to say that these were black officers on a black man, but i go back to some

words that iden've said previou. it's the culture of policing that says when you have a black motorist, we can treat them any type of way. you know, there's -- we just have to change the culture of policing. we have to hold people accountable. i give a lot of create to d.a. mogul. i give credit to our police director, because we addressed those officers, we fired them very swiftly. the d.a. brought the charges to these officers. so we have to address this. we have to let the legacy of mr. nichols be police reform, not only here in memphis, but in this country. >> councilman, look, i got -- producers, please don't turn away from this, because i think you're emoting and voicing what so many people are facing. and especially what black people

have been saying about, about our young people being beaten and killed by police officers. why are you crying? >> we saw a man essentially die at the hands of police. when i sat in the room today, we all knew the fate. we all knew the fate of that young man. and it did not have to be that w way. >> martavious jones, i appreciate you. you don't have to apologize for being human. al of people, most people are feeling what you're feeling. and i'm glad that you shared it with our audience. i really appreciate you for doing that, okay? >> thank you, don. >> thank you. our special coverage continues right after this.

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welcome back. as we continue to try to process what we just watched with those videos out of the city of memphis of the death of tyre nichols and the horrible beating that we have all just watched, sanjay gupta is back with me now. sanjay watched that video along with all of us and sanjay also, i know you watched it along with medical examiners around the country. so once again, i'm going to specifically show the sky cam footage that's up right watching the actual beating itself.

when you watch this, sanjay, and you watched this with people who know exit poll what it means when you are kicking somebody, striking them with a baton, striking them repeatedly. what did they -- what did they all see? >> yeah, i mean, we were watching this along with medical examiners, victor wheaton, and kendall van crown, who's from texas. i think it's vicious. i think anybody can see that. you don't need to be a doctor or a medical examiner to see that. i think the idea that there were so many blows to the head, and what happens ultimately when you have that many blows is that the brain starts to swell. and the brain is the one organ in the body that doesn't have room to swell, because it's encased by the skull. as a result, someone may slowly, increasingly, lapse into unconsciousness, which seemed to be what was happening with mr. nichols. he was talking, but then sort of lapsing into unconsciousness. he was able to say that he was having challenges.

he was struggling. you could see that. that was something that both pathologists noted, but also, you know, he's very thin and he was taking these body blows, as well. maybe that caused some bleeding in his abdominal cavity or his au thoracic cavity, his chest. we don't know. but one thing we do know, there was a lot of time that passed. it was around 8:33 that you see that he was kicked once and handcuffed and brought over to the car, around 8:41. eight minutes later is when you first see, i think it's a fire truck, an ems that's pulling up at that point. but it's not until around 9:02, so almost 30 minutes later, 29 minutes later before you see people actually show up now with medical bags and gurneys. a lot of lost time there, which is so incredibly important, with somebody who is essentially critically ill, lying on the ground in handcuffs there with nobody attending to him.

>> and the demeanor of the officers, we see. at one point there, it was hard to count. i wasn't sure whether it was eight, nine, or ten there along with medics. and there was no urgency. there was no stress apparent from anyone. it was milling around. you know, that's what it felt like. i want to play one other clip here. this is somebody the body cam video from one of the officers. when this -- at the scene where the beating happened. let me just play it again for you. >> give me your motherfucking hands. >> i'm going to baton the fuck out of you! give me your hands! give us your hands! give us your hands! >> hit him! >> watch it!

give me your fucking hand. >> ahh. >> give me your hands! give me your fucking hands. >> ahh! >> kim cory is with me, former nypd chief of department, you were in charge of all the training. you're watching this with the eye of an expert, we're watching it just as humans and it's horrific. what do you see. you see them yelling, i'm going to baton the "f" out of you, you want to get sprayed again, give me your f'ing hands, as they're raising the baton and striking. >> right from the outset, the force that's used here is completely unnecessary, it's unjustifiable, it's inexcusable. and to echo what chief c.j. davis said in memphis, it's inhumane. nothing that mr. nichols is doing requires any of that force to be applied. that clip that we just watched there with the baton, other officers are holding his arms

open to allow the officer free access of baton strikes. nobody teaches that. >> that's just brutality. >> that is just plain and simple -- that is a street fight, an alley beat down. that's all that is. >> juliette kayyem also with me, of course, former homeland security. juliette, there's a point where they're standing around while he's just prone, talking about how this happened. he's swerving, just sort of a casual conversation, as if they're just hanging out at a coffee shop. >> that's exactly right. and there's almost nothing that i think that we can analyze about what the situation is showing us, except for what -- the horror that we're all feeling. so just taking a step back and just looking at the possibility that we get better because of this, and as we heard from the city councilman, a lot of reckoning that needs to be done. so what i saw from the national perspective is, there absolutely has to now be a, basically a duty to intervene.

and we cannot let police departments whatever level, sergeant, whatever it is, there has to be just a basic duty to intervene. i think the second is of course, these specialized units. you know, this one is called scorpion. it's an acronym. i have come to believe that all of these guys give these names to themselves and then they find the words that fit the acronym. what does scorpion say to a community? i think the third thing is, of course, the story continues tonight and into the night and we'll all be here with you in terms of peaceful protests. these people are allowed the protest. we have to de-escalate. there are people who have been sentenced to escalate, and that is known, but this is now a de-escalation effort throughout the nation right now. the protest is rightful, it is righteous in many ways. and it continues to be peaceful and one hopes it will. >> joey, let me ask you, when we talk about the milling around and the standing, and just the

half an hour goes by as sanjay is laying it out so painfully. there were eight, nine people at some point. do you expect more charges? there have only been five officers charged thus far, all with second-degree murder. >> that's certainly possible. we heard from the prosecutor, and the prosecutor made very clear that nothing about the indictment that they've laid out would preclude either the filing of additional charges with respect to those five or getting other people involved who could potentially face charges in the event that they either acted improperly or failed to act. so remember what's important here. police have a special duty and in the event that someone is in distress, particularly at your hands, is it appropriate that you just sit there or stand there and do nothing to act or intervene? and so that's what the charges speak to. they speak to the lack of officers actually rendering appropriate aid, such that potentially, could his life have been saved, we don't know. but certainly the failure to act goes against that.

to your question, let's wait and see as the investigation unfolds. last point, erin. this has been with lightning speed. we have not seen this before, with regard to either "a," the firing of the police officers involved in other brutality cases or, "b," the indictment of police officers. it's happened very quickly. and so i think, as the investigation unfolds, i would not be surprised if others were embroiled and they looked at others. >> it happened very quickly. and of course, two of those who came to render aid in the fire department are on administrative leave. >> that's right. and it's not precluded that they could be prosecuted as well. but i mean, what you're seeing across the country, and we heard that in washington, d.c. when we went to that clip of the protesters is, no justice, no peace. this is one of the instances that joe pointed out where we're seeing justice and then hoping for peace, because the wheels of justice are turning very quickly here. >> right. and i should emphasize, so far, peace, as everyone has called for and hoped for so far this evening. our special coverage continues

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welcome back, everyone, to our special coverage of the release of the deadly video showing memphis police savagely beating tyre nichols. i want to talk more about what we saw in that deeply disturbing video, or deeply disturbing videos, which were released just last hour. and with me now, charles ramsey, laura coates, van jones. hello to all of you. laura, i want to bring you in. as a former federal prosecutor, i'm watching this and i know that you have been watching this. what do you see here? one of the attorneys said that this is going to be hard to prove. i'm not sure that that video says that. it looks like it's pretty easy. >> well, you know, the way to first think about this is the what are the rights that

officers have? officers are only given the rights to stop and arrest if there is some justifiable reason to do so, only given the authority to conduct searches and seizure or lay hands on somebody if there is some probable cause. only able to strike and punch and hit and assault if they are themselves under attack or trying to defend. in this instance, this video does not show during the course of this savage beating that any of those things were apparent or necessary. we don't see any proof that mr. nichols, whom we know his fate at the time we were watching this was in any way trying to assault the officers or pose some threat of bodily harm or injury or anything that would actually cause the officer to say, kill or be killed. we also don't have any proof or any discussion whatsoever as to what started all of this. the videos all begin later on. but i tell you, as a human being, what i saw, the number of

times that this young man tried to stand back up, the time that he tried to flee into an intersection, just to get away from what he did not understand was even happening, he was under attack by the officers. the idea that he was restrained by officers, not able to fight back. not able to defend themselves. one of the videos showed a five-minute segment of one officer getting his own eyes doused with water to avoid the contaminants and toxins of the spray. and yet this same man that they tried to pepper spray repeatedly was trying to shield his own eyes and they demanded him to show his hands. at one point, you have officers holding his hands away from his body while they still demanded that he give them his hands. one officer, and there was a moment, i have to tell you, i thought there was going to be a moment that one of the more than five officers on the scene would run to the aid and just say, stop for a moment. but one officer ran towards that

scene and delivered a kick, don, instead. i mean, we know very well this phrase of, see something, say something. officers are supposed to add on the "do something," what we saw here was not restraint. not the fourth amendment constitutional right that we all have. it was a beating. and a killing. >> so charles ramsey, i want to bring you in here. because, look, if you're watching this, you're a trained police officer. you've got, you know, five, six, seven, eight police officers. big, burly guys not able to restrain a wiry young man who suffers from crohn's disease? how does that happen? that is a failure of something, i don't know, i'm not a trained police officer, but how are they not able to apprehend him? how are two officers >> there is no justification for any of this. it started as a traffic stop. whether or not he committed a traffic violation, we just don't

know. they start off, and they're very, very aggressive with him to begin with. he's trying to cooperate. and they're the ones being the aggressors. he eventually runs away, but you have his car. you've got a license tag. you can find out who he is if you need to be able to follow up on that. i mean, this whole thing is just something that's just totally, totally beyond anything at all that is taught in a police academy, that's procedure, that's justified, or what have you. you know, i've heard a lot of calls to disban this scorpion unit, and i don't disagree with that. but that's not going to fix the problem. this is a more systemic issue that has to be looked at. you have to look at whether or not they even screen people before bringing them into a unit. look at their history. what kind of use of force history did they have?

what's the level of supervision within that unit? how thorough do they really investigate complaints against these individuals. you can disband the unit, but the problem is not going to go away because it's a lot deeper than that, and they need to take a real deep dive into that. >> i think the memphis police department admitting that today, giving the statement saying it's really not the unit. they need these types of units. it's just the training, and they need better officers. cnn's van jones with me now. van, listen, i think mr. jones spoke for all of us. you never know when those moments are going to come. he had his on cnn. he did not have to apologize for being human, but i think he spoke for a lot of people around the country. >> he certainly did. my father is from memphis. i spent my summers in memphis. my heart goes out to that community. one of the things that laura is about to talk about is the role of pepper spray. we haven't talked about that. we talked about the beating.

but don't forget. they were spraying pepper spray into his face repeatedly. imagine taking hot chili and rubbing on your eyeball. that's what they were doing. the cops couldn't even understand the reaction to the pepper spray just getting glances of it. you're pepper spraying someone, they're escalating with their voices, escalating with the pepper spray, and punishing him for the human response he was having to being tortured to death. >> listen. it's either fight or flight, right? and i think he was trying to run away as a natural instinct. he wasn't complying in the sense they wanted to comply, but for a traffic stop, it certainly did not have to end this way. thank you, van. thank you, laura. thank you, chief ram see. our special coverage continues next. we're going to speak to the

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we've now all heard tyre calling mom, mom, mom, and that crying in agony. we all now know his mother was literally hundreds of feet away, that he did almost make it to her. i know you had a chance to speak to them right before this came out. how do they feel about this, that the whole world now can see this? >> well, they are pleased that the video came out this quickly, erin. we knew the accountability and the transparency of this video is so important. and that, they are very grateful for. of course they lost a son. they lost somebody that they love very much. but they are grateful that the video came out. so, now the whole world knows what happened, that he was defenseless, that he was helpless, that we did not exaggerate or overestimate anything that was in that video whatsoever. >> tony, watching from the still and silent sky cam was incredibly powerful and horrible

to see because you saw it without the sound. you were forced to actually internalize what it was we were looking at. we see all of that. we hear him screaming. we see the running. all of this is now documented. in the first video, we see the officers approach his car with guns immediately drawn. and then a later body cam video, we hear them discussing what they say happened before, what caused this traffic stop. they say they saw him driving onto oncoming traffic. that is the part we don't see. we don't see anything before that first officer with a body cam drives up to an already ongoing traffic scene, where they were already, as you told me, hyped up, the ones who were there. and we certainly saw that. have you learned anything more about what happened before that moment? >> we have not learned anything at all about that, erin. and the more and more that this goes on, i have more and more doubts that there was any issue of reckless driving whatsoever. i think it was a narrative.

i think it was a justification for the stop. just as they pleaded on some of the video that you saw in the second encounter that they were saying, did you see him reach for my gun? that never happened. those are all excuses. those are all lame defenses and just a reason for what they did, which is now, we know, has no basis at all. >> in many of these videos we see eight, nine, ten people milling around. they're milling around while tyre is lying prone on the ground. five have been charged with second degree murder. do you anticipate more charges? >> i do anticipate more charges. i'm not going to say what the state's attorney is going to do. but i will say that in that room, that was absolutely disgust. it has not been ruled out. i can't guess what they're going to do. but is there any question that more charges should be brought? in my opinion, in this person's opinion, there is no doubt that

failure to intervene, that failure to render medical aid, to assist a dying person, is unconscionable. there is no doubt that further charges should be brought, in my opinion. >> tony, before you go, president biden, i know, spoke to the family today. can you tell us more about that? >> he was very -- i mean, he was as empathetic as he could be. he expressed sorrow. he expressed concern. and we want to continue the conversation that we've been having with this president for the last 18 months. we want to continue this fight, this discussion in washington, and hope that we can get more uniform national -- >> tony, thank you very much. i appreciate you're taking the time to join me tonight. >> thank you, erin. good night. >> good night. and thanks very much to all of you. our breaking news coverage will continue now with this special edition of "ac 360" now. john berman will bin