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failure to intervene, that failure to render medical aid, to assist a dying person, is unconscionable. there is no doubt that further charges should be brought, in my opinion. >> tony, before you go, president biden, i know, spoke to the family today. can you tell us more about that? >> he was very -- i mean, he was as empathetic as he could be. he expressed sorrow. he expressed concern. and we want to continue the conversation that we've been having with this president for the last 18 months. we want to continue this fight, this discussion in washington, and hope that we can get more uniform national -- >> tony, thank you very much. i appreciate you're taking the time to join me tonight. >> thank you, erin. good night. >> good night. and thanks very much to all of you. our breaking news coverage will continue now with this special edition of "ac 360" now. john berman will be joining you
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john berman will be joining you along with don lemon. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com it is hard to say good evening tonight, having seen the video footage authorities in memphis made public just a short time ago. i'm john berman here in new york. >> and in memphis, i'm don lemon. we appreciate you joining us for our special coverage. today, tyre nichols' mom asked me a very simple question about her son's deadly encounter with police three weeks ago this weekend as a matter of fact. that question was, where was the humanity? three days later, her son would be dead from the beating he'd received. ten days after that, five cops, members of a specialized now deactivated so-called spcorpion unit, were fired. yesterday all five were charged with murder. and now we have video of what they did, john. >> and this video comes from a variety of sources, body cams, a pole-mounted surveillance camera. we're not going to show any of
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it lightly. in truth, though, there is no amount of editing that can conceal the nature of what you're about to see. and there are many good reasons, accountability being just one of them, why it should be seen. throughout our coverage tonight, we are going to have a team of experts to give perspective. that said, please understand, this is difficult to watch and something you might not want your children to see. >> right. it is hard to watch because you're seeing a young man being beaten to death in real time by officers who took an oath. they were supposed to serve their community and protect the people in it. that did not happen. the first video that you're going to see, silent at first, and then with sound, is from the body cam of an officer arriving at the already-in-progress traffic stop. here it is. >> get the -- out the car.
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get the -- out the -- car. >> i didn't do anything. hey, i didn't -- >> get your ass on the ground. >> all right, all right, all right, all right. >> on the ground. >> all right, all right, all right. >> you don't do that, okay? >> get on the -- ground. get on the ground! >> all right. >> i hate yo ass. >> all right. i'm on the ground. i'm on the ground. >> stay down. stay down. >> i'm fixing to taze you. now get on the ground. >> 1 -- >> all right. okay. all right. >> i'll break your -- turn the -- around. >> put your hands behind your back. >> we're really doing a lot right now. i'm just trying to go home. >> man, if you don't lay down. >> i am on the ground. >> get on your stomach. >> i am. i'm not doing anything .
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>> as we said, it is difficult to watch. and, john, what is so inexplicable here is why, when the officers rolled up, it looks like they did not try to deescalate the situation. it looks like they were hyping up from the very beginning. and the young man was asking them, what are you guys doing? why are you stopping me? you guys are doing a lot. and they had no answers for him except to throw him on the ground and start using expletives and really beating him. >> what is notable is when you watch it objectively -- and we've all just seen it now a few times -- it appears that tyre nichols is the most calm person
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there talking at all. >> right. >> he's the one saying, all right, all right, all right. it is the officers, it seems, who have their voices raised. he seems to be trying to deescalate, and in some cases, maybe -- and again, we don't fully know all the context around it -- the only one trying to deescalate that. we're going to have much more on the significance of that bizarre duality there in a little bit, don. the next piece of video is at the second scene. it was taken from that surveillance camera that was mounted overhead, and it does show the worst of the beating. tyre nichols, being struck with a baton, kicked in the head, and repeatedly sucker punched in the head and face. now, this video is silence. i want you all to watch this. there's really nothing more to be said about it. here it is .
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again, you watch that clip right there, about four minutes long, and we counted at least nine punches or kicks with fists and also the baton. and as you're watching it, you don't see tyre nichols fighting back. you don't see him doing almost anything, and you're left with the question, don, what on earth is going on here? why? why is it necessary to use that kind of force? >> yeah. it looks personal. i mean, it feels -- when you look at it, it looks personal. i'm not sure if they had a prior relationship with tyie tyre nic
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or if they're embarrassed he got away from them and they're the ones supposedly trained for this. you look at the first officer that kicks him, it looks like a brawl at a sporting event from drunk people who had been watching a game. that's the kind of thing you see. and then you see them pull out the retractable baton, and they continue to hit him with it. and he's handcuffed, john. he's not moving. he can't move. and he lays on the ground and for minutes, minutes, minutes -- you'll see later on -- nobody is rendering help. no one is showing up for a very long time. this last clip that you're going to see right now is the aftermath in which tyre nichols, badly beaten, receiving what appears to be minimal care. he lies there on the ground while officers talk amongst themselves about what they'd just done. here it is.
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>> right here. >> i seen him running. so i got him right here. he just took off running. >> y'all stop him? >> we're talking about -- >> all this. he didn't stop. we steady tried to, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. drove around, swerving, could have hit my car. i was like, what are you doing? he pulled up to the red light, puts his turn signal on. we jumped out the car, went from there. >> where you at, bro? where you at? all right. okay.
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>> where -- at ? >> it's gone be a while for the ambulance. >> okay. >> yeah, need to call for one. >> you see my -- >> i'm trying to, man. >> mills got it. hey, mills. where mills at? >> this disarmingly casual conversation, as a man lies on the ground, a man we now know who will ultimately die from what just happened there, don. and this goes on and on.
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this period of time goes on and on for countless minutes. and ultimately, when this does get in a courtroom, these officers, or former officers, will have to answer for what they didn't do during this period, don. >> if you listen to the conversation, john and the language, one, it appears they're trying to make excuses. i'm sure they realized they're being recorded. like, hey, yeah, this happened and he did that and he tried to take my gun and he tried to do all these things. it sounds like they're sort of making excuses for when someone reviews this camera footage. but also, as i said earlier on cnn, on the air, it almost sounds like they're, you know, in the barbershop or they're hanging out after a club like, hey, man, you saw, that guy was running. it does not sound like professionally trained officers at all. i want to bring in my next guest and talk to him about that john. back to you in a moment. michelle lowery is a county
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commission chair and he joins us now. you saw the video before it was released. >> i did. >> you were watching this video with me. we had the same sentiment. it seems like it's personal. what's up? >> it's unfortunate. it appears personal. it appears that egos are involved. what we know is that tyre nichols posed no threat. what we know is that tyre nichols was unarmed. there is no reason for the savage beating to continue to happen over and over and over again. and then to see some of our police officers who are supposed to protect and serve stand around, smile, make excuses as to why this was done. it's terrible. it's inveshorrendous. but we're going to get through this. >> why this failure? this is supposed to be a highly trained unit, the scorpion unit. what happened? >> those officers failed us.
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the unit didn't fail us. the officers failed us. this does not represent memphis. it does not represent our law enforcement. but those officers failed us, and they should be punished. and we're thankful that they were, number one, fired and prosecuted. >> do you think it was right, the way this was rolled out, the charged first for the officers? i spoke to the police commissioner. she said, i spoke with the family first. they're okay with the charges. they wanted first degree murder. they got second degree murder. and then releasing the video today. do you think that was the right move? >> i think it was the right move. i think unfortunately you've seen memphis be a model for this. these officers were promptly fired. you usually don't see that in the past. these officers were prosecuted expeditiously. and then, with the family's blessing, the video was released. so, we can't now talk about what will happen to those officers. we know. we know what's going to happen, and we look forward to their day
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in court. >> as you look at the screen, you look at those five officers, they're all black then. i spoke to the mom this morning -- go on. you're shaking your head. >> it's troubling. police brutality by any race is troubling. but as an african american male, as a citizen, to see that five black men had no regard for tyre nichols' life, no regard for what could possibly happen to him -- and quite frankly, don, to be honest, to see black officers do that -- it hurts any time officers do it. but it's gut wrenching. we're a proud community, and you hate to see that. >> she said they embarrassed themselves, they embarrassed the black community. >> without a doubt. they embarrassed themselves. and they embarrassed fair family. i feel sorry for their family because their family is going to have to -- their family is going to have to want justice but at the same time feel sorry a
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member of their family is going to be in jail. they embarrassed the family, memphis, the community, and law enforcement. but we're a proud city. we're a proud city. >> i couldn't -- i was -- maybe i shouldn't have been stunned or shocked when the mom said, i feel sorry for those officers because i don't hate anybody. >> there's nothing like a mother's love. it's nothing like a mother's love. so, what you saw there was a strong -- the courage from god. because i have children, and i don't know if i could be that strong to say that if that would have been my child. >> what do you think should happen? >> those officers, they have been prosecuted. they should spend a long time in jail. and what we should do, as a city, is lead and reform. tyre nichols' name should live on. every law enforcement officer should have to watch that video
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periodically as part of training. we should lead from that. we should be resilient from that and make sure that this does not happen again. hopefully never in our city, hopefully nowhere else in our country. >> thank you. i appreciate you joining us, and i appreciate your candor. thanks so much. john, that's the sentiment here in memphis. we've been hearing from so many people. and, listen, i think it is important to point out that tonight, as we are talking about this, as we're talking about this city of memphis, all across the country, there are protests. so far those protests appear to be peaceful and we hope that continues. >> there is anger, but i think more than anything right now, there is grief and bewilderment, don, as people watch this and see some kind of answer. we'll come back to you there. and you've done such a great job, i think, capturing the mood on the ground and telling the story of the people really hurt by this, don. we'll be back to you in just a second. perspective from our legal and law enforcement panel, cnn chief
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law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller, cnn legal analyst, joey jackson, charles ramsey, former d.c. and philadelphia top cop, consultant to police departments across the country, also laura coates. chief ramsey, i just want to start with you. as a human being and someone who has run police departments, just your initial reaction to everything we now have just seen? >> well, i mean, i was horrified like everybody else. you know, i've been in policing since 1968. this is one of the worst cases that i have seen. i mean, this is bad beyond belief. and i was so -- actually i was glad to hear your last guest, commissioner lowery, just mention the fact that this affects the good police officers just as much because, you know, they're sitting there horrified. they know when they hit the street the next day people are
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going to be looking at them as if they do the same thing that these five guys did. those five were not police officers. they were thugs. i mean, they -- their actions were no better than some street gang that was actually beating somebody down on the street. i mean, i just -- it's absolutely horrible. and, you know, people believe -- these units get created because of spikes in crime. you can police constitutionally and reduce crime at the same time. you don't have to do this. you don't have to do anything like this. from their actions to the language, they escalated everything right off the bat. i mean, this was totally, totally unnecessary without any justification at all. >> and when chief ramsey says they didn't have to do this, this is a lot. we've now seen several videos. there are serious questions. john miller, just one of the
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things is that four-minute period where these officers appear to punch and kick and strike tyre nichols with a baton. and i mentioned before, when you're watching this for the first time, you are left with the question, what on earth is going on here? it's not the beginning of the altercation. he appears not to be fighting back at all. what did you see there? >> well, i mean, what you see is officers who are excited. some of them are worn down and out of breath. they all appear to be angry, as opposed to having some kind of detachment, which would say, okay, let's get this individual in handcuffs and sort out why we're here. but even if you go back to the beginning, john, they're screaming and cursing to pull him out of the car. and his words are, okay, okay, i'm getting on the ground. you know, one of them says, i'm going to spray you. the other says, i'm going to taze you. and he says, you guys are really doing a lot right now. he's trying to calm them down.
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when he runs away and then they get to that second location, you know, that's where you see that anger has increased. you made us chase you, so on and so forth. there are some telling moments there. you see the police officer, as don mentioned, the collapsible baton. he goes and gets two or three strikes in. and then you see him walk away. if the incident is still out of control, if they're in some life and death struggle and he has to strike someone, why is he walking away? this is an example of somebody who's excited and angry, who wants to get his licks in. this, when you look at arrests and control tactics and training -- and i've been through the training myself -- this isn't the training. you've got five to eight cops who can't control one individual enough to get them handcuffed, whether he's resisting or not. >> we keep calling it a struggle. at this point it doesn't appear to be much of a struggle at all. it appears to be one man who can barely stand up for himself, on
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the ground just being punched and kicked and hit with a baton. joey jackson, from a moral perspective and from a human perspective, one can watch this and be aghast and say, this is outrageous. there are the legal questions here though in what can be proven in a court of law. the steepest charge is second degree murder, which means, what, a knowing killing? >> that's correct. so, all you say is right, there's the legal point, which i'll get to. but i think we have to think about a jury. and those jurors, are they fathers? are they mothers? they're people of the community. when i watch this, john, i should tell you, i watch it as a father before a lawyer. i watch it as a person who thinks that we, as a society, can do better and need to do better before i watch it as a lawyer. and so i think that jurors are going to be, if it gets that far, e cevaluating it in the sa president are. in speaking with the law, i think there's a lot to answer to.
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i think jurors, again, looking at the view of the law and ultimately what it will come to, are going to ask a lot of questions, right? in terms of thinking about that second degree murder charge, which i'll explain. when you got to the car now, john miller pointed out very rightly what was said by mr. nichols. did you see what the police officer said in contrast to what mr. nichols said, f bombs and this and that and get out? is that the way you should be comporting yourself with respect to interpersonal communication. in the event that you're going to engage in conduct as an officer and you're going to actually use force, is there an immediate threat that anyone sees that is opposed to the officers. if you look at the officers conduct, is the conduct the officers engage in proportionate to what mr. nichols is doing? can we say they acted reasonably? and finally with respect to their failure to do anything but stand around and make excuses, it's deplorable. when jurors are evaluating, if
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it gets that far, the issue of first degree, second degree -- there's not a first degree, we know that. that would require proof of premeditation. the prosecutor opted to prove a knowing killing. what does that mean? it means you have to know and appreciate the nature of what you did could lead to what is a death here. we saw on that video deplorably strikes to the head, kicks to the head, the baton being used, all other types of brutality. i think that would mean you appreciate your actions. that's second degree murder. it's reckless. it's depraved. and i think that's why the prosecution charged it. >> laura coates is with us. i know, laura, you'll be covering this quite a bit tonight as well. one of the questions i've seen a lot and i know you've seen as well is people say these officers are doing this and they know they're being filmed while they're doing this. what does that tell you about their mindset? >> well, it tells you how emboldened the culture of
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policing has allowed people to become. the idea that you could possibly escape any accountability and the idea of doing it in front of the camera, knowing that and thinking that you might not be held to account. let's just be clear and take a step back for a second. other cameras that we've seen, other moments that have caused us to be on a heightened level of awareness, this would not have happened, the immediate firing of these officers, but for what happened over an eight-minute period in the killing of george floyd. and we could name many in between that, breonna taylor and beyond. why is that? because memphis, about a month after the killing of george floyd, changed their policies to have an affirmative obligation to intervene, an affirmative obligation to do precisely what the officers charged in that case, the more rookie case compared to derek chauvin, chose not to do, which is to intervene in some meaningful way. there's really a clear
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delineation here between when they were officers of law and when they were members of essentially a gang that decided they were going to move by perhaps bravado, perhaps by ego n some other way, to punish. and what's so striking -- and joey is so right -- i'm a mother of a little boy who calls my name and calls out for me so often that it is so engrained in me to respond, to have almost a pavlovian reflex at the thought that he might need me. to think that 80 yards away, somebody's son was calling out until presumably he was no longer able to speak. maybe his jaw had been injured in some way. he was not communicating to the same degree. to think of what his mother is going through in the proximity of that moment. and this man, tyre nichols, died never knowing the answer to the first question he asked the officers. what did i do? and we still don't know. >> it is heartbreaking and just raises still more questions.
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two and a half hours ago and about the reaction in memphis. our shimon prokupecz is here with more on that. shimon, let's talk more about what these officers are charged with. if you look at the video, they charged them immediately, and this video speaks of that. second degree murder, kidnapping. >> kidnapping, second degree murder, and the official misconduct. and, you know, you look at this video, and you can see why the d.a. and the police chief here went right for those charges and firing those officers. the other thing that's really interesting, there are more officers there, and the police chief has indicated that those officers are under investigation. and we could see more charges, whether administrative charges or criminal charges. even the d.a. has said that's a possibility here for others. the other thing i think in watching all of this, so much of how we are watching it again, yet, another failure by people who are supposed to protect us, supposed to save us. and you look at those emts and they just do nothing for such a
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long stretch of time. and it takes them so long to finally take him to the hospital. that part, for me -- any hope for tyre nichols to survive, to live that day, they were the ones, perhaps. and yet again, we have another instance here of people in a position to help someone who's in need of help. >> and they didn't help. >> they didn't help. >> but by the time the emts get there, the officers on the scene had a duty of care. >> but listen, this is a highly specialized unit, which is under scrutiny right now. and you have some reporting on that. >> right. the scorpion unit. this is this anticrime unit. we see them in unmarked cars. you know they're police, but they're driving around in cars that are unmarked. but what this unit -- they are aggressive. they are here in memphis. they were put together to stop crime, fight crime before it happens. not respond to the radio saying, oh, this crime is occurring. they are in place to try and
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prevent crime. and so far -- so, for that reason, they have an aggressive posture. they go after people they believe are committing crimes. and you see just how aggressive they were in the opening moments of the video that were released. that unit right now is not operating here in the city of memphis. the mayor announced that they've been inactive since this incident. the family's calling for them to end that unit, disband that unit. >> when i spoke to the police department earlier, they said that they will be in review -- there will be a review of all specialized units. currently the scorpion unit is inactivated during this review process, but it has not been disbanded, they say. you have to remember -- >> that's what the family wants. this has happened before. >> they said you have to remember that we have about ten specialized units at work similar to the scorpion unit. it is not the unit. they're necessary. in this case, it is the officers, who by chance, were assigned to the scorpion units.
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>> these units have been controversial, don. just give me a second here. in the sense that there was a street crime unit in new york city. >> i remember that. >> that's what this kind of unit was. so, it was disbanded eventually. it comes back. they put them under different names. it could happen. and the families are calling for that. and other people who want to see more police reform are saying, we need to end these units. >> so, we'll see. there will be changes. there have to be changes. >> oh, yeah. >> after this. shimon, thank you. stand by. shimon has been covering this since the very beginning. i want to bring in now, benjamin crump, one of the attorneys for the nichols' family. ben crump, i'm so glad you can join us and help us get through what we're seeing here. why was it important for the family, for the public, to see this video, despite how devastating it must be emotionally for them? >> well, don lemon, that was a
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very powerful interview this morning. and thank -- by letting them have a voice, their truth about this tragedy. and it is tragic. i was just talking with tyre's mother and father, and she is just so disturbed hearing about it. she felt it was necessary that people needed to see the video even if she couldn't see the video because people need to see how and why her son was killed. and what everybody is saying, don, who has now seen this video is not only how gruesome it is, how heinous it is, how appalling it is -- and you can go all through the alphabet with the adjectives. and then you get to the end and how unnecessary this was that
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tyre nichols was killed in this manner. >> ben, i'm having a little bit of trouble hearing you. i don't know if you can get a little bit closer to the computer or i don't know if there's an air conditioning or something on. i just want to know, how do you feel so far with the action that has been taken, the charges of these officers, second degree murder. the family wanted first degree murder. and the speed with which this all was handled and the video rolling out? >> don, i'm putting in an ear piece. >> take your time. that's okay. they said it's fine on air, that they can hear you. that's better though. >> so, don, hopefully you heard what i said about how heinous it was. but the family and everybody is saying how unnecessary this was, the actions of those officers that killed this unarmed young
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black man. and so that's what they're dealing with. they're also, as the family, talking about tyre's family, when they were watching the video and then i started getting it had up on my phone and social media about, hey, there are other officers here who need to be charged, and they asked questions about a white officer who they said tased him in the beginning. and why wasn't he charged? so, it's a lot more questions that needs to be answered after this video had been made public. and you can ask your other question again. i wanted to say that on behalf of tyre's family. >> okay. so, got you. thank you. i appreciate you putting in the ear piece. so, what do you think of the way this was rolled out, the charges, the officers then being apprehended, the speed with which this was handled, and then the rolling out of the video? >> you know, don, let me first address the charges being issued
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because when you think about how swiftly they terminated these officers and how swiftly the district attorney, in less than 20 days, charged these five black officers for the crimes that they committed that were captured on video, it told us very clearly, as the chief said, the community needed to see action taken swiftly, and the community needed to see swift approach to justice. well, this is now the blueprint, don lemon, for all these other police forces around the country if they catch police committing crimes on video, whether they're white or black. this is the blueprint. because think about it, don lemon, laquon mcdonald in chicago, they had that video day one. the white officers, they said they had to investigate.
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you think about eric garner in new york city. they still didn't do anything on that one until sterling in louisiana, your home state. that was on video. they didn't do anything on that. so, now they can't tell us it takes this long to investigate because when those five black officers here in memphis, tennessee, were caught killing tyre nichols, they moved swiftly. and we want it to be swift action on any police officer, whether white or black, who kill our people. >> benjamin crump, thank you for appearing. i know it's been a long day for you. and i hope the mother and the dad are at least getting some rest right now. we appreciate you. thanks a lot. >> thank you. and thank you for the interview this morning, don. >> thank you. i want to go quickly now back to shimon prokupecz. you have some breaking news for us. >> yes. yeah, don. we're just getting word there's more fallout now in connection to this investigation.
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two sheriff's deputies have been placed on leave, according to a statement from the shelby county sheriff, sheriff bonner. he just issued a statement saying that he watched the video tape for the first time tonight and that he has two concerns about two deputies who appeared on the scene following the physical confrontation between police and tyre nichols. he says he's launched an internal investigation for theiral conduct and that now they have been placed on leave to determine whether or not policies were violated. both of the deputies have been relieved of duty, and they're now on administrative leave, which is paid leave. so, this is certainly significant that we are now seeing more fallout in connection with what happened here. the question i certainly have is, why is this the first time the sheriff is viewing this video? i guess right now we don't have that answer. here we go again. two more sheriff's deputies, now two more law enforcement personnel officials who are put on leave. >> this is beyond the memphis
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police department. this is -- >> this is the shelby county sheriffs. >> -- shelby county sheriffs. >> questions about what they were doing. this is now growing. this is going to continue to grow. >> and the d.a. said at the press conference that it had the possibility of doing that, and the charges, they had the possibility of amending those charges. shimon, i appreciate that. we're going to take a quick break and come back with more of what we're seeing in memphis. and more reaction and analysis of those videos showing the violent beating death of tyre nichols. we're back with our special coverage of "ac 360" here on cnn. for frs n! yeah, you'll get used to i it. this momom's depositing money with tools on-hand. cha ching. and this mom, well, she's setting an appointment here, so her son can get set up there and start his own financial journey. that's because these moms all have chase. smart bankers. convenient tools. one bank with the power of both. chase. make more of what's yours.
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. we're back now live from memphis, where protesters are out tonight in full force. some are on the i-55 bridge over the mississippi. cnn's sara sidner is there for us. sara, what are you see ing? >> reporter: we're seeing an absolute stand still. if you look behind me, you see these trucks here. that is the i-55 bridge southbound and northbound, northbound toward st. louis, southbound toward, jackson, mississippi. there is a huge section of i-55, the bridge included, that has just been stopped for quite some time. i want to give you a sense of what it looks like and where i am. this is exit 12b. apropos what's happening, the national civil rights museum is off that exit. this was the place where martin luther king jr. was assassinated, here in memphis. but what you are seeing is what protesters here call resistance.
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they have been peaceful with their resistance. they are here, as you can see the signs there. there's crump boulevard -- not mr. crump that you just spoke with, but that's the name of the boulevard there. that is exit 12a. you can see the i-55 south to jackson, mississippi, sign to give you some sense of exactly where we are. downtown memphis is not far. and what we are seeing is people who have, on both sides of i-55, just stopped traffic. they have stopped traffic. they are holding signs, justice for tyre. they are holding signs that, police who murder must be put in prison. they must face justice. and, you know, the crowd is here. there are emotions that are high. but they have been nothing less than peaceful. they have just stopped the traffic, though. and part of that is because they want people to see that disruption is part of the way
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they're going to protest because they are feeling pain, and they want people to understand how serious they are about all of what they saw on that video tape. so, that's where we are right now, don. it's been shut down for a while. i will tell you this. i'm going to pull myself away from the crowd just a tad. i will tell you this. we have heard one person -- [ crowd chanting ] >> reporter: you're hearing them chant something that we have heard across the country from michael brown to george floyd to freddie gray, whose streets? our streets. that is what they're chanting because they feel like these are their streets. they are taxpayers too, and there is no reason why these five officers should have been involved in taking the life of a resident here in memphis. we don't know how long they'll be here, but they are chanting,
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no justice, no peace, something we have heard for many, many decades here. and honestly, you know, the police are on either side. they have stopped traffic and have been telling people to go around. there was concern from one person, one motorist, that was frustrated, saying if there is a medical emergency, i hope you guys are going to be willing to open this up because you don't want another person to lose their life because of this. for now, it is shut down i-55 at exit 12a. don? >> sara sidner, protests on i-55 right now. the city of memphis pivotal when it comes to the civil rights movement and perhaps pivotal to when it comes to police reform. back with our special coverage on "ac 360" on cnn in just moments. don't go anywhere. try this robitusussin honey. the real honey you love, plplus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitutussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry.
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a very difficult night with the release of the video. back with us now is laura. one question that has come up. there were five officers charged with a number of accounts including second- degree murder. now that we have seen the video we see there were a lot of other officers standing around as well. from a legal perspective to what do you think it took to be
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one of those five as opposed to the others who have not been charged as of now? >> many were counting and watching the video saying there were eight people around. i think what the prosecutors may have been looking at was those that had the direct involvement in the physical assaults and would have been aware about his deteriorating condition and would have acted in spite of it. they charged them with knowing killing. which means they had to believe and appreciate the actions they were taking may lead to somebody's death or certainly grave bodily harm. focusing on the officers who were straining the individual and the officers who were delivering the blows and the baton beatings and beyond and
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would have been aware of the deterioration from start to finish is likely the focus. you may have heard the officers communicating with people or talking amongst themselves. i suspect because they were aware they were being filmed. talking about whether he was high on something they kept saying. for some reason he must have been so strong. there is reason to convey there was somehow some external factor that was contributing to his flight as opposed to his desire to save his own life. that is likely what they are looking at the prosecutor to say these are the officers whose behavior was knowing and someone coordinated and responsible for the ultimate death. >> one of the charges that was notable to a lot of legal experts was the kidnapping charges. some people consider that to be novel legal theory. it suggests that there is a moment when a detention by
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police officers may go from lawful to unlawful. now that we have all seen the video is there a specific moment you can see where the prosecutors will say this is where it is no kidnapping? >> think about kidnapping in terms of detaining somebody you have no right to detain. when they have no probable cause is the delineation point in which the custody ended in the restraint begins. that's probably the range of time, but there are different moments in terms of false imprisonment. >> maybe from the very beginning is what you are saying . that certainly raises a lot of questions because we do not know what happened before the video begins, and we are left to wonder. there is a lot more to come. thank you. reaction from a member of the
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