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- [announcer] do you have an invention idea but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. good evening, everyone. and barcodes in d.c. and don lemon is in memphis. we were watching you this morning, you started the day out with the police chief. here you are ending it with me in memphis. tell me what has transpired today that has really been something you will not forget. >> reporter: it has been a remarkable day, quite frankly remarkable 24 hours. yesterday,
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we got the charges for the police officers and now we woke up to the interview, very candid interview from the police chief. i was surprised gave an interview. considering the district attorney announced those charges, i think she felt confident it was her time to speak because she did not want to get in the way of the investigation. very candid about why she believes the charges were fair. she knew they would be strong charges. she does not do the charging, the district attorney does. she also said, it is a failure within the police department. she took responsibility for it. it stops with her, you cannot be with the officers 24 hours a day. she also spoke to the inhumanity of the officers and what the nichols/wells family is dealing with. it has been a very very emotional day. also getting to interview the family as well, the dad and mom. >> i was so struck by the idea,
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it was not that long ago that we can recall the idea of having a police chief, let alone another police officer in general speaking out about the conduct of other officers. we talk about the blue code and blue wall of silence. we were awestruck when chief arradondo in minnesota, was speaking out about the officers, including derek chauvin. of course, we see the idea people can't hide behind the badge. people will speak out. i was really struck by that moment. and frankly, his mother. just the amount of grace and empathy she even had for the officers involved. as a mom, i could not imagine what she is going through, let alone to hear her in those moments. >> reporter: she says, i feel sorry for them. speaking of the police chief and what happened, the way this
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happened, do you know it takes care a lot of this? the tension, protesting, things that eventually turn into riots? it is transparency. having a plan. getting ahead of the horrific video you will see. speaking of that video coming out tonight, that shows you why those officers were fired immediately. why the district attorney charged them. you cannot look at the video and say, what they did was right. no one can look at the video and say that. what they did was absolutely wrong. there was complete disregard for tyre nichols' life. >> the number of officers on the scene, is there not one person amongst you who would say, stop? let the idea of a cooler head prevail. the coolest head we heard was the actual words from tyre nichols himself at the beginning, he was trying to de-
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escalate the situation. great coverage, we will see vaccine. >> reporter: thank you. good to see you, i wish it was under better circumstances. i do too. get some sleep, we will need you again. i'm laura coates. release of the heartbreaking video that showed the brutality unleashed on tyre nichols. and how, frankly people across the country are reacting tonight to what they have seen and what we are all seeing on these videos. there's more than one different vantage point. some body cam, some with audio, some without. it is all collectively and individually so difficult to watch. human being, 29-year-old man, beaten mercilessly over and over and over and over. when it started, when police first told him over, it was him, it was he who tried to
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calm the situation. >> i did not do anything. >> get on the ground! >> all right, all right. >> get on the [ laughter ] ground! laydown! i'm fixing to tase you. >> i'm going to break you. put your hands back. >> you guys are really doing a lot right now. >> even looking at that, can't even understand why it escalated, why there was anger by the officers. why the screaming compared to
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the calm of a man pulled over. we are still waiting to figure out what, if their answer can ever come. frankly, what you saw was nothing what was prepared for what was to come. tyre nichols kicked and punched again and again, beaten with a baton. >> i'm going to baton you. give us your hands! give us your hands! >> give me your hands! give me your effing hands.
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>> screaming in pain, in in that moment. at one point, screaming for his own mother, who was yards away. >> it breaks your heart to hear that. to hear him calling out for his mother. reduced, inexplicably, by more than five officers on the scene. three days later, that young man, terry nichols, would be dead. there is a criminal case that
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will be decided in the court of law. that has been charges filed, that is the law. and the inhumanity that you see, the savagery that has been depicted and shown is so graphic and excruciating. terry nichols, he never got the answer to the question that he asked when they first pulled him over, what did i do? i want to bring cnn in memphis tonight, it is difficult for me as a human being, let alone as a mother, to hear someone's son calling out. we have heard it before in the george floyd killing, we heard the scream's of others including trayvon martin, looking to have help in those moments, i could go on with a number of incidences, those are a few
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that come to mind. there has been more follow tonight from what we have seen from those videos. what can you tell us? >> reporter: more fallout because what you see in the video, as you said so well, no one was there to help him. he was yelling for his mother. you can feel the officers in the video, emts eventually, no one, no one would help him. as a result of that, we're learning tonight two sheriff's deputies, just finding this out tonight, where there on scene as well. the sheriff in shelby county in memphis, revealing tonight in a statement, as a result of this video, he learned two of his deputies were there. the first time he was seeing this video. after seeing the video, he placed the two deputies on leave. why is he just finding this out now? why is this kind of action just
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being taken out? we don't know. a lot of questions here we still need to ask. >> certainly. the idea of course, hearing from the shelby county da, hearing from the memphis police department and police chief. the shelby county officers, distinct unit essentially, distinct jurisdiction. is that the idea, learning people from his own jurisdiction were present on the scene as well? >> reporter: right. you have the sheriff with his own people, we don't know why they were there. we assume they heard it on the radio so they responded. then you have the memphis police department, scorpion unit where the five officers were part of. that is not as a unit, not functioning. their duties have been suspended as a unit. the family is asking for this unit, the scorpion unit, this anti-crime unit, you see them drive around, you can see from
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the video, driver out unmarked cars, five officers part of the unit. the whole purpose is to prevent crime, fight crime aggressive. that unit, for now is not operating. the family wants it disbanded. they do not want to see it operating in this community any longer. >> reporter: if this is any indication of the type of work done by this unit, it is no wonder why. thank you so much. shimon prokupecz. i want to bring in the station, pastor of freedoms chapel christian church in michigan and a member of the memphis city council. ladies, let me begin with a moment unpacking the acronym for the scorpion unit. scorpion, it is street crimes operation to restore peace in our neighborhood. street crimes operation to restore peace in our neighborhoods. this is the unit of officers we
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saw on the series of videos doing very little to restore peace, doing very little to prevent a crime, instead charge themselves with inflicting this horrible harm onto the now late terry nichols. i'm wondering, let me begin with you, councilwoman logan. how is the community reacting tonight now that the video, series of videos have been released? >> we have had, thank you for having me, i want to start there and my condolences to the family of tyree, terry nichols. we have had peaceful protest. the feelings and sentiment are raw the video came out tonight, today and there is a gamma, across the gamma, span of emotion from despair, shock,
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outrage. there are a number of feelings at this point. it is understandable, it was a horrific act, heinous act. you know, people are reeling from seeing the video. >> to that point, reverend nichols -- >> go ahead, councilwoman. >> the protest has been peaceful. that is the one thing, ms. nichols, his mother asked for, people protest. people have a right, i'm glad people are voicing their opinion . they are protesting it and have a platform and taking the liberty to extend their rights to protest. >> very important point that you raise, the idea of being able to make one's viewpoints known.
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we collectively often times see the devolution of otherwise righteous protest. to see the ability of people to do exercise first amendment rights and to speak out against what they have seen, even in light of transparency is important part of the conversation. reverend nichols, what are you hearing in the community? especially because there was a lot of concern about releasing the footage on a friday evening. people were aware there would be visceral reaction to what was seen. you did have the transparency, the tapes as well as the indictments that had already come down charging the officers. what is the sense in the community tonight given those two things? the release of the video and charging decisions? >> yeah, thank you for asking the question. i think what we have experienced in memphis is really not that exceptional. we have activist and organizers
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who are aware of how to honor the lives of those that we have lost. when we heard the parents asking for peaceful protests, we are equipped, organizers and activists are equipped to do that. often times when our protest turned disruptive, it is also at the hands of the police. our activists are well-trained to do that. on the other side of your question is, there is grief and fear and sorrow. there is also rage because we have been working to address what has been revealed in this horrific incident related to memphis, shelby county and across the nation. to that degree, we have all combined our effort to honor this life, a young man who lived peacefully and whose life
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was taken as well is to address issues not in this moment, they have been systemic longer than we want to have to acknowledge but is indeed a fact. >> such an important point to raise. we can see the culmination of so much. the ideas of at times, the prevalence and the hope people will not be desensitized and turn away but lean in. so we do not continue to have these conversations, to have these funerals, and to have real significant change. i wonder as a mom looking at this, my kids asked me what has happened, how do you help your children to prevent this? what do you say to them to be able to help them to evade something like this if he has done nothing wrong? that is part of the conversation having all across the country. thank you so much.
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>> thank you. >> thank you. >> the inhumanity of what we saw on those videos as hard. and how much of it, frankly, is from body cam video. as in the ones won by the officers. the officers knew they were on camera and what they were doing had a significant chance of being seen. what does that say about what has happened? knowing we could have ruled the tapes. he used to do side jobs installing windows, charging something like a hundred bucks a window when other guys were charging four to five-hundred bubucks. he just didn't wanna do ththa. he was proud of the price he w was charging. ♪ my dad instilled in me, always put the people before thehe money. be proud of offering a good product at a fair price. i think he'd be extremely proud of me, yeah. ♪
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major development tonight after the videos we saw were released. the shelby county tennessee sheriff, after seeing it for the first time, when the rest of us did, placed two of his deputies on the scene on leave pending investigation of the conduct. let's talk more about what we witnessed on the video with legal analyst elliot williams, former federal prosecutor. political commentator jones, retire los angeles police sergeant, cheryl dorsey. i'm glad to have you here this evening. just the range and scope of the vantage point we have seen tonight very telling to begin with you, sergeant dorsey on the point, the video from the mounted police camera, for example, very disturbing to think about what we're watching and witnessing in real time. it does show police hitting tyre nichols at least nine
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times, kicking and hitting, i want to make sure when you're watching this, everybody, very disturbing what you're seeing. it is graphic content, take caution with what you're seeing and looking at. hitting him with baton and asp. walk me through this in terms of what you are seeing. >> seeing officers abuse their authority, punish mr. nichols. these officers do what they do on a regular basis, promise you find out in the future there will be others that come forward and talk about the kind of abuses that have suffered at the hands of the s.c.o.r.p.i.o.n. unit. the name alone is offputting. these officers understand great deference given to their version of events. we heard start to finish manufacturing probable cause, lying about the encounter creating audio record because they understood they were being recorded when they said, he was really strong, all 140 pounds
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of him. when they said he was trying to take their gun, when they lied and said he tried to hit them in the midst of committing an infraction, reckless driving. then do know his mom said, officers came to her home and said her son was being treated at the hospital because he was a dui and taken to jail and booked him knowing he was not able to be booked because of his injuries. it was not until hospital staff called and said, do you know your son is here, why aren't you here? they knew exactly what they're doing from start to finish. intellectually dishonest and i think the police chief has a lot of work to do in terms of those officers and those who stood by and acquiesced this murder. >> sergeant dorsey, i'm struck as well by what we see on, knowing they had body cameras, hear them begin to say statements akin to a script. van, i want to bring you into
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this, there is the notion, why are they, after having been around each other, witnessing what one another was doing, why were they telling, reciting the facts, giving the narrative and beginning to talk about the chronology of events? they were well aware there was a camera on them. it was so disheartening which is an understatement, to watch it in motion, to watch them talk about the things sergeant dorsey spoke about. tell me the idea of the footage that is out there. what do you make of the fact in spite of knowing the cameras were there, they may explain but they also acted the way they did. >> it shows it is not the first time. you are seeing with the evidence of a culture of abuse, there is a pattern of practice, again to the department of justice will be able to uncover when you have police officers acting this brazenly. again, all of the stuff they were saying is getting ready what we call getting ready to
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test a lie about a bunch of stuff. if we did not have the videos, what would have happened, police reports filed saying, this guy was aggressive. he was on something, superhuman strength, going for their gun, to justify the level of beating and brutality that you saw. fortunately, you have the video evidence that shows him getting punched around like a piñata when he was not able to resist, he was not putting up effort. you never saw one time in all of the videos him throwing a punch. you never saw him kicking. what you saw was him taking abuse after abuse after abuse. and yet they knew, once they are all standing around, they start making up stuff, there is no evidence of. that lets me know it is a culture of abuse, culture of misconduct. i guarantee you, pattern of practice with this unit and others in tennessee. >> that is the case, practice makes me automatically think
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about the civil rights division. often have cases they begin to have a pattern of practice. pattern and practice investigation into different areas. baltimore and other places across the country. i want the audience to look at the timeline for a moment. this timeline does show you, talking about from start to finish. do you realize looking at that, the timing of what has happened, the first location being inside the vehicle versus the second? a stretcher arrives about 23 minutes after he has been subdued and is rolled onto his back. he has been dragged and propped up against the car. there is still a delay. looking from 8:24, we first start to see, 9:00 when the stretcher arrives next to him. therein lies part of the charging decision of the duty to intervene or render aid. what is your take when you look at the timeline of that encounter? >> it is a few things.
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number one, it goes to the homicide charge. it has to be knowing killing of a person, murder two, second degree murder in tennessee. failure to render aid for that amount of time is something prosecutors will bring up in context trying to prove that charge. in that federal civil rights investigation van teeth a couple moments ago the justice department is looking into, number one, looking at each of the individual officers and their failure to render aid. >> or intervene. >> right. not talking about you and i sat here in silence for a minute, it would be painful. 23 minutes is a very long time. and the whole notion of a pattern of practice investigation, investigate, is there something systemic in memphis without police officers are trained. a lot of tools law enforcement
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has at the state and federal level. all of that. something simply that amount of time is itself instructive. not just difficult to watch, legally relevant. >> stick around. we will talk more about this and go into the charging decisions, especially lien on the expertise of our law enforcement panel and policy analyst and talk about where we go from here. the phrase, no justice no peace, has the justice system moved far enough along to ensure it? good news! a new clinical study showed that centrum silver supports cognitive health in older adults. it's one more step towards taking chae of your health. so every day, you can say... ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver. ever get a sign the universe is tryingo tell you something? the ues are all around us!
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- [announcer] do you have an invention idea but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. following the release of the video tonight, the memphis district attorney, steven mulroy issued a statement, promising his office will do everything it can to get justice for tyre nichols and his family. back with us, elliot williams, van jones, sergeant cheryl dorsey. i want to pick up where we left off. i don't know if it is always apparent to people or abundantly clear, talking about the idea of so-called script, the performing for the body cams , knowing they might be viewed
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later on. let me play for everyone a moment from the videos that we saw where the officers are talking about and making statements about what they say tyre nichols did to justify their force. listen. >> i sprayed, he sprayed. he tased. use the taser. >> is a criminal. >> he was going for my gun 2- pack too. >> my wallet. >> listen, got him out of the car. hey, bro. you good. dennis warm, powell. reach for my gun. he had his hand on my gun. >> they are saying, it was audible, he had his hand on my
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gun, he reached for my gun. he swung, powell, almost hit me. sergeant dorsey, when you hear this, in light of what we have seen, what is your reaction? >> this is how the officers get down. this is not new to them, this is what they do. they did it too effortlessly. every thing they said was to create audio record because they understand someone is going to question the hospitalization of this individual. like i said, great deference is given to the officer's version. this is what they were preparing for. i guarantee, they abused that same scenario and it worked in the past. i cannot imagine the police chief is unaware and if she is, she needs to fire whoever keeps her abreast of what is going on with that unit in her department. i can't believe she is not aware there are numerous complaints. where there is smoke some of their spider. if she is not aware these officers were involved in that kind of activity, that is problematic. where are the supervisors? how come there was no one there to
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manage this use of force? everything about this is problematic from start to beginning. i think it was all orchestrated and manufactured. >> i want to read again, i keep going back to the acronym of s.c.o.r.p.i.o.n.. it is a street crimes operation to restore peace in our neighborhoods. that is what it is supposed to stand for. it is not lost, i'm looking at the screen, looking at the panel, looking at what we saw on the video. five black officers charged in the killing of an unarmed black man. we often have conversations, van, about the element of race and racial dynamic in policing. i think we all know quite well, when it comes to power, blue trumps black. the idea of the race of the person who is victimized often more telling than the race of the aggressor. what is your reaction?
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>> yeah, i think it is really important because very simplistic notion that says, if a white cop is doing something to unarmed black person, that is racism. we sometimes forget, unfortunately, african americans can also be guilty of hatred and bias and bigotry against other african american thick sentence he going to a store owned by african american, nice to the white folks and suspicious of you. it is not only one group can harbor anti-black bias. it is so pervasive. the other thing that happens, certain neighborhoods are considered almost by some police departments of war zones, anything goes. do what you have to do. black officers can pick up on those kinds of cues, signals. nobody gets in trouble for acting a certain way in this neighborhood versus white neighborhood. race is an element here. i can't imagine any police officers delivering that kind of brutal beating to a white male u.s. citizen. could you imagine if you had
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five like officers doing that? it is very hard to imagine. i think what has happened is, we have become accustomed, black and white officers, to a certain amount of inhumanity directed in certain neighborhoods with certain suspects. you saw that play out today. >> elliott, what is your reaction? >> when you're a prosecutor, you see things in terms of evidence, every single word those men set as potential piece of evidence. one, getting them in trouble. because for instance, the statement about he reached for my gun. maybe he did. the videos that we saw don't seem to make that clear. maybe it did happen. now, regardless of that fact, a jury will and unpack that statement. if he is fabricating this fact about someone reaching for his gun, that hurts his credibility as defendant. even if he never takes the stand. >> and the credibility not along. >> all of the above. the broader point, what i see is
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series of systemic failures that start with the escalation that kicks off the very search to begin with with the shouting and guns drawn and so on. it fuels some of the charges. setting aside the homicide, what you had was official misconduct charges based on the conduct of the officers. detaining him unlawfully. that is what they are charged with, i'm not making it up. they are charged with kidnapping and two counts of official misconduct. it speaks to something far bigger than a homicide. it is misconduct by these officers. as blessed by the police department and the quick actions they took to suspend or terminate them. >> there is a lot more to learn, everyone. i'm sure, frankly, likely more footage out there of some kind, private or otherwise. we will continue to unpack what is going on and also that timeline. it took more than 20 minutes for a stretcher to get to the
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memorial to tyre nichols tonight before tip-off of the memphis grizzlies game at the minnesota timberwolves tonight. both teams holding moment of silence on the court. i want to bring medical analysts dr. jonathan reiner to discuss what the videos we saw tonight tell us about tyre nichols' injuries as he was left on the pavement without assistance, twisting and contorting on the ground. thank you for being here this evening pick we look at this through series of lenses. yours as a medical professional, very important to understand what it would mean to have a delay in the rendering of assistance and aid to someone. you watched the video along with the rest of us, we saw him
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being kicked and struck multiple times, including in the face. also with an asp, the baton. he was punched repeatedly. as a doctor, when you're viewing that, what are you thinking and thinking about what it is doing to his body? >> he became a multiple trauma patient. we see people come to the emergency room after their car has rolled over and they have injuries all over their body. mr. nichols became that patient after the beating, after beaten over his head and his chest repeatedly. in trauma medicine, trauma physicians talk about the golden hour after grievous injury during which, even a very seriously injured patient can be salvaged, if you triage them quickly and get them the
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most aggressive care. what we saw through these tapes is, a large portion of that golden hour window of potential resuscitation was squandered with mr. nichols propped up against the car with no medical care. >> when you think about that moment in time, that delay, not just the idea of what duty of care would be owed from the police perspective, what a medical professional would have with their duty of care owed. we know paramedics were on the scene. we see two pictures that have come out. one of tyre nichols in the hospital. of course, one as the healthy person he was prior to this picture, i'm so sorry to even show it, his family has provided. when you look at the picture as medical professional, heartbreaking to think of the two distinctions, what does it
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tell you in terms of what that medical treatment they might have been administering would have been? >> when you see mr. nichols prior to this catastrophic beating, he is a very slender man, he has a sort of elongated slender head. the image of him lying in the bed antedated with endotracheal tube in his mouth, you can see what we call edema, his swollen head. that is from repeated trauma. that trauma is not just contained in the soft tissue of his face and eyes. that force is transmitted from his skull to his brain. you see somebody sues head is so swollen like that, think about what happened inside his brain. it is like having a series of concussion after concussion after concussion.
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that is massive neurotrauma. time is of the essence. the singer that patient is evaluated, the greater the possibility is, whatever damage his brain has sustained might be remedied. but the longer you are left unattended, the less likely that becomes. >> dr. reiner, hearing that make that all the more heartbreaking to think of the 20 plus minutes waiting for a stretcher, let alone propped up the way that he was, thinking about that golden hour with every minute counting. dr. reiner, thank you for your expertise tonight. >> my pleasure. >> based on everything we have seen, just tonight alone, let alone hearing and will ultimately learn in the days and weeks to come, the question that many are asking, has this case been charged appropriately? what will a jury potentially think?
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