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in memphis, slamone, what's happening >> a continued fall-out from this incident from the horrific beating after the video what public the sheriff here in the shelby county put out a statement learned two of his deputies were on scene that night and as a result of that because of this video becoming public, he's placed those deputies on leave, so it's two sheriffs deputies that are now on leave, and of course, you know, we're learning more between about this scorpion unit, the team that these officers were part of, the family calling for them to be disbanded well the mayor and police department here saying that that unit for right now is not operating in this city, they have sort of suspended their operations while they continue their investigation. but they're not outright going to say at this point that they're going to disband this unit, they're blaming the problems on these officers and not the unit, the other thing throughout this and of course, watching this video, laura, are

there emt, the medics on scene how long it took for them to offer tyre nichols any kind of help, for minutes and minutes he laid there, bleeding after being brutally beaten. the questions of course about those emts and the other officers who were on scene and the continued investigation where it appears so much more to come, thank you so much. we'll continue to lien on you and your insight reporting here. i want to bring that memphis city council member, thomas, >> counsel woman it must be a trying time for memphis, there has been peaceful protest and calm in the city of memphis tonight which is in line with the wishes of tyre nichols's mother, can you tell us what the community is feeling and what you're seeing this evening?

>> yes, laura. as you say the world is watching, and everything tonight has been in my eyes beautiful. not only because it was peaceful, but because it was direct, it was focused. it was bringing memphis together as we always do and it's calling for accountable for local leaders such as myself and those who we send to the state legislature to really have an impact on how we treat our accountable and efficiency of our law enforcement and as we see from the er video other first responders, we don't only just have mpd but the fire department has been called in question as well as employees as well as shelby county. so i think the community. >> continue, please. >> laura, i was going to say i think the community is calling for a swift and efficient

action. i would say that in 2020 after the wake of george floyd and for a lot of us being our first few months in the term of office, we passed resolutions that act or gave recommendations to the memphis police department. i think now what we're going to see is more direct action in the form of ordinances and legislation. >> how about the idea of that specialized unit the scorpion unit, i keep go, back to what the act nonstands for sdr crimes operation to restore peace in our neighborhoods, obviously, we saw something very different from that unit and those videos this evening, will the priority be, as discussed, the possibility of disbanding that particular unit >> i'm calling for disbanding of the unit, i know our police chief and she's doing a good

job, cj davis i'm calling for thedis wantment, we don't know the extent of what training or culture was permeating in that unit and i think disbanding is the best way to go. >> speaking of officers and we mean that in a plural sense, five officers have been charged with conversations surrounding at least two level officers placed on some kind of leave pending investigation or review, but there were many more officers on that scene and for many who just watched the video for the first time, myself included were sort of adding up the people on the scene and wondering and trying to hone in on why the decision of just the five so far, given that there were other officers on the scene, and of course, members of the paramedics squad, et cetera, what is the community's and your reaction to seeing a greater police presence initially thought >> it'sdis heartening on two

ends , one, that many more people decided not to help mr. nichols that many more people decided to on look and not offer any aid or stop what was going on. and that many more people were comfort in the murder and killing of mr. tyre nichols and so i think that that causes further investigation from the city side of why this information was not made known public before the release of video. and so i along with other community members and leaders and activists are wondering what's currently happening? i counted nine individuals in the video. i might be off but if at one point in the second long gate video i counted nine individuals we want to know the names and roles of those nine and what's happening with them as well. >> an important consideration, thank you so much, council woman

michyln thomas this evening, thank you. i want to turn to cnn legal annual elliot williams, and dr. rashon ray professor of maryland here and law enforcement analyst michael fenone is with us only panel. when you hear the idea of how many officers were present when you think about where things are right now with the release of the footage, this is actually -- this is close to home for you, in particular, dr. rashon ray, this your hometown community as well. when watching it, based on trained officers well and your work as sociologists what was your impression now that you have seen this video and the presence of more than five officers on that scene. >> i'm a native tennessee, i went to the university of memphis training police officers working with hundred of them. the big thing that stood out i'm wondering is culture is actually reformable. we're talking about policy

change i think that's a big movement we're seeing in memphis, people saying look, we're holding legislatures accountable which is different from saying we're just going to hold law enforcement accountable, people are recognizing that lawmakers make the law we need culture to change and policy can do a lot but culture something different. when i watched that video and saw the lack duty to intervene it highlight what i say bad apples from rotten trees, they were focusing on five individuals but it's clear there was a struggle week link at play. not just memphis but around the country. >> i turn to you, to michael in your policing you've seen first hand what the culture of police departments can be, obviously, there's some connected and yet they're independent from one another, i wonder in looking at this and think about presence of all the officers there, what is

your impression about the idea of the calls to disband this unit? would that stop something like this from happening >> no, absolutely not. whether or not you disbanded that unit, it's not going to be alleviate the need for proactive style police work. you know, we saw in washington, dc the disbandment of vice units similarly styled to the scorpion units -- short term investigative units, plainclothes observation the officers out there every single day responding to violent crimes, robberies, your burglarses, dealing with drug complaints, when those units were disbanded we saw two things incredibly problematic. in the short term, our

department lost its ability to deal with open air drug marks, drug complaints, these aren't officers that are out there, you know, what i'm trying to say is they were responding to complaints from the community about this type of activity. and so the community is filing complaints and there's no mechanism to address those. the other thing she's types of units, these you know, kind of junior investigative units are what create and are a pipeline for officers into homicide, into other units they are intelligence driven units, they develop intelligence, i learned how to develop informants to work with cooperators, i learned about the basics behind assembling an investigation which led to more complex cases

later on on in my career >> can't both things be true, in units can have that particular role, be that vehicle for more experience, be needed or wanted by the community and for those not to represent proactive city hall policing and instead, excessive force >> when i looked at those videos and i draw from my experience in these types of units, what i know from my 20 years in law enforcement things like this is universal is that training in law enforcement is inadequate, wholly inadequate. the quantity of the training is inadequate and the quality of the training is inadequate. what i see play out time and time and time again in these types of situations, and you know, some of them i'm sure there's a rational component there you know, they're complex

issues and they're not one specific you know, solution. but overall, what i see is a lack of quality training and for whatever the reason we never seem to address that >> i want to bring in a second elliot i want to ask you one more question on that point, as somebody who trained officers yourself, do we have to train humanity? is that something you would hope would be innate, we know that it's not always. >> most definitely we have a virtual reality program at the university of maryland and we put officers in the situations they encounter on every gilday but i serve on peace and trainings commissions and individuals are getting through kind of this leaky pipeline to become police officers a decade ago they might not be able to come through, police department needs bodies, what happens is

you get these individuals come coming into highly problematic, in this case, people may have came from corrections to police departments or from other units to this unit and they get passed boy, the buck gets passed around until these particular incidents happen. so it is a lack humanity but it is also a lack of structural issue at play within police departments, when i hear chief davis makes statement likes essentially that we have leadership problem that suggests to me not only is it about humanity but it's about the fact we have a leaky pipeline that allowed unqualify individuals morally from a humanity standpoint to even be police officers in the first place >> that's part of what you mentioned before, the idea of pattern or practice what civil rights division might be looking into it. and this can be part of it in the end, the immediate see, they seemed to observe trained on's many officers are, what

statements you ought to make to insure there's justification for the use of force when challenged. i want to play now, elliot, there's a moment here where they're showing tyre nichols falling over on to the ground, and you hear the officers make a statement akin to he's high as kite or something like that. and then another point officers making statements trying to justify the behavior. listen to this. >> i said -- "hey -- my radio. sound -- (inaudible) where my

light go, bro? >> talking about what they perceive his state of mind and physical statue being, et cetera, what do you -- again, we don't have any official reports on toxicology, there's been no statement by the police force, the chief or anyone else to suggest is that he, in fact, was in any way under the influence of a substance, but what do you make of that. >> here's what i make of it. he's high, he topped my gun, he's a big guy, he's struggling he punched me, all those are justifications are for detaining searching someone et cetera, under the law. we don't know exactly what happened because it's a bit of a mess, what we do know because we have video, i've been saying this a long time, there's probably no greater reform and frankly simplier reform that law enforcement can pursue than

break, body cams, for two big reasons not just for locking up dirty cops or bad cops it's for exonerating people who have not done anything wrong. so everybody, whether it's the public, whether it's people accused of crime or whether it's cops accused of brutality, everybody benefits from having like a camera on, because if if you haven't done anything wrong you have an in coneven though veteranible piece of evidence of increasingly you're seeing more body cameras let's go back to george floyd, two or three years ago, you know, it's a cell phone camera, now, there was body camera footage there but we would not have known any of that without real time video of it and it's so valuable on all sides. >> there were moment when is you're watching it there was extended periods of time seemed like it was being covered up in some ways, i don't know if they were covering it intentionally or not but there was some obstruction of view what did you

make of the idea of the cameras >> i was one of those officers that at the outset of their introduction, i had some concerns. and the concerns were borne out of -- and as a prosecutor, i'm sure you're familiar with this phenomenon the csi effect and this idea that you know, now juries are going to look at the body worn camera footage not as an evidence collect tool but literally as a report of you know, everything that took place, and it is, you know, when you have a body worn camera on and you interact, as you saw in that situation, the camera is shaky, the doesn't capture every single thing, it's possible for an officer to observe things that are not recorded on their body worn camera and a lot of

times, you know, what we would see is juries would look at the body worn camera and if it didn't show exactly what the officer described the, the officer was discredited. >> to that point, that's why it's hard to get criminal convictions sometimes, you bring something to trial you have to have dna over everything, fingerprints over everything, i heard judges talk about where people have in their heads this idea that science purveyeds everything that happens at a crime scene and a video will be the final proof and that you're just going to get a guy blood splatter whatever else >> it's messier and more complicated than that, video evidence is valuable but it's not the one thing but i think people rely on it. >> quick last word. >> video matters we've seen it in a very big way, biden talked about trauma, community trauma is big, this illness spill over of police violence matters you need to focus on people's mental

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we begin with you, mr. franklin on this issue and i wonder about your initial reactions to having seen the video footage and calls for this unit to be disbanded. >> well, my initial reactions are here we go again, but yet, i'm not surprised. we've been dealing with this culture, this type of use of force, excessive force for a long time, not just decades but over a century, culture that we see is way more than a century old, and it will take a very long time to do something about that. every day we have these -- every day we had these types of beatings. we just don't have the video to show it in communities we have 18,000 police departments across the country and as we've seen with this, narratives are constructed, you know, the reports are -- are crafted, and the difference here is that we

had someone die. but we had these beatings all the time and we'll continue to have them until we change the culture on, with regard to the unit i think it's the right move to suspend it i've never been a proponent of these special units, whether we're talking about drug units, i'm from baltimore i know you remember the gun trace task force and this unit who would give all this praise to when they go out and get guns and drugs and this, the matrix that we use to measure their performance is usually the numbers guns, key toes of arrests and i've never been a proponent of these units, we give them praise, cart caitlin. be we have krupping and use of

force inappropriate more times than not. >> let's bring in michael fanone, the idea of metrics by which we judge the success of these individual unit be not in terms of the behavior and it sounds as though the end justify the means do you see it that way where the metrics how we judge success is the wrong way to do this? >> i mean, listen, used appropriately, i think that those types of units are invaluable. that being said, i mean, there's, you know, i've been part of units that were misused misdeployed there was a period of time when vice units in washington, dc became essentially body should dos, unofficial mandates and we were judged by the quantity and not the quality of the arrests made.

that being said, we made changes quite awhile ago and i know for fact under chief conte, that he does not care about the quantity arrests that are made, he cares about the quality of arrests and the fact that those arrests can be successfully prosecuted because ultimately unless we can really hold these individuals accountable for these actions, it's meaningless >> that's an important point to bring in, frankly i'll bring you back to the conversation because judging hold to account the actions obviously the goal of policing and protection obviously and public safety, but here, and i want to point to the memphis police chief earlier today this morning telling my colleague don lemon there was nothing on any of the videos to substantiate probably cause for even pulling him over. i wonder did you get a sense of what the actions would have been that would have caused the

series of events captured on film? >> no. not to cause those events. obviously, we know that police officers can pull someone over for just about anything today, pretextural stuff, it's very easy to have probable cause to make a traffic stop but to end up where they did with this particular incident and heinous beating we saw, i can't think of any traffic violation that would warrant such, we saw them crafting the narrative on video about the grabbing of the gun, the taking a swing at one of the officers and we saw when he was being brought out of the car none of that happen. there was no aggression on any video at any time in either circumstance where he you know, he displayed whatsoever.

they can't justify the beating. they can justify the stop but they cannot justify this level of beating that they -- that they did. just can't do it. >> on that point michael are you interested in seeing -- is this something you want to see more to be able to formulate the opinion of what happened here? >> well, i mean, listen, regardless of whether or not you know, there ends up being evidence to support the officer's reason for making the traffic stop, really doesn't make a difference to me one way or another, because at the end of the day you know, nothing can justify the outcome in this situation, which is mr. nichols's lost his life. so no, i mean, further investigation i'm sure at some point we'll hear or gather statements from those officers about what they specifically

observed, that resulted in that traffic stop, and the conduct that we observed at the outset of the video. why was it that these officers seem to be so aggressive in pulling mr. nichols from the vehicle, what actions did they observe mr. nichols take? or was there a lack of justification for that level of aggression? >> in end, as you say, he did lose his life, gentlemen, thank you there's more to this conversation that we will continue to have appreciate it. i want to turn now and focus on someone who's extremely important in this conversation. the midst of her devastation and grief, tyre nichols's mother says she feels sorry for the police officers who beat her son. and that she knows tyre is looking down and smiling at her.

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. my son is looking down smiling because you know, it's funny he always said he was going to be famous one day, i didn't know this is how he was -- this is what he meant, but if -- i really don't know what else to say right now. >> that was tyre nichols's mother, rowvaughn wells during a press conference earlier this afternoon, this morning she sat down with don lemon and reflected on her son, who he was as a person and what she'll remember most about her beloved son. >> i'll never have my baby again. but i do know that he was a good person, and that all this -- all

the good in tyre will come out. so that's what keep me going, because i just feel like my son was send here on assignment from god and his assignment was over, it's over. and he was send back home and god is not going to let any of his children's names go in vein. so when this is all over, it's going to be some good and some positive because my son was a good and positive person. and that's what keeps me going. that was my baby he was a mama's boy. that boy loved me to death. he has my name tatooed on his

arm. people don't know what those black police officers did to our family. and they really don't know what they did to their own families. they put their own families in harm's way. they have brought shame to their own families. they brought shame to the black community. i just feel sorry -- i feel sorry for them. i really do. >> mom, yes? >> what are you going to miss about him the most. >> his beautiful smile. and just my son had a beautiful soul and he touched a lot of people. and i always joke because he'll come in the house and he'll come

in and say hello, parents. i'll never hear that again. i'll never cook for my son again. i'll never get a hug from my son again. i won't get anything from my son again. just because some officers decided they want to do harm to my son, this is very difficult thing, no mother should have to go through this, no mother >> no, no mother should have had to and neither should have you. after the break we'll hear what rowvaughn wells was told by police that night about what happened to her baby, tyre and

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. questions are building memphis, here's what she said to don wells about what police told her that night >> the memphis police department banged on our door approximately between 8:30 and 9:00 asking if i knew tyre nichols, and we said yes, what's going on >> he's been arrested >> arrested for what? >> dui. dui? my son don't drink like that, what do mean dui? well, we had to pepper spray him, and tase him so he's been attended to boy the paramedics

and we'll send him to the hospital and then after that, he'll go to booking. >> what? they didn't ask me was he on any type of drugs or anything of that nature, because they were saying that it was so difficult to put the handcuffs on him and he had this amount of energy. super human energy, and what they were describing was not my son. so i was very confused. i asked if i can go to the hospital. they told me no. they left. my husband and i we got in or car and went to go see if were could find ty because he wasn't answering his phone or anything.

>> back with me, i want to begin with you, sergeant dorsey on the idea of the officers going to the house and stating what they said to the families given what we've seen. what do you make of their questions about tyre nichols? >> the more i hear the more questions i have and the more problematic i think this will become for this police chief because who went to the house? that's what i want to know, who went to the house, and does the chief know that they were at her house? because listen, when an officer tells a lie, that is misconduct on the los angeles police department, that means that you can no longer go to court and raise your hand and testify to tell the truth because you are a proven and demonstrated liar. so the problem that i see in all of this is you have a unit of liars, you have officers who lied about the detention, you have officers who followed that

lie up going to parents house alleging their son had been charged with dui, the problem the department has with scorpion unit and every officer on scene be every arrest report they've been involved in is now tainted and anybody who has an arrest report with the name of any of those officers needs to get a good important point you raised the idea of officers and credibility allegations that will had been raised and addressed at this point. let me turn to you on that, juliet, the idea of the statements often put out in describing a police encounter, they won't always add up and not always the same what ultimately comes out to prosecution, case in point, take a look at this statement from the memphis pud policed on january 8th while attempting to take the suspect into custody, another confrontation occurred , however the suspect was ultimately apprehended. afterwards, the suspect

complained of having a shortness of breath at which time an ambulance was called to the scene. how does this statement square with what you saw this evening, juliet? ynot to all. i agree with cheryl it's not clear the leadership of the memphis police department, i complement in the straightforwardness, it is not clear how this ends for them. remember, we're a few weeks out from the murder and so a lot was going on in that two-week period before they fired the police officers, before we got the videos, before they disband or put on hiatus, the scorpion unit, so i think it's clear that at least some part of the police department either was told something to protect the unit or lied themselves to protect the

unit and i think this will be the ongoing investigation that we see, i am not at all surprised many will remember the george floyd, the first police report was, that he, he had choked or -- couldn't catch his breath. it was perverse in many ways. and it was only because of an outside video that we began to see the, what had happened, so this is not uncommon and part of i believe a larger reckoning that will happen in the memphis police department, even if some of their activities now are more transparent than we've seen in the past. >> let me bring you in here, and there is a statement by ms. rowvaughn wells where she's speaking in part about going and finding out what actually happened to her son at the hospital, where she talks about, he was pepper sprayed and that he had browses all over him, that his body, they broke his neck, she says, and that her

son's nose looked like an s. she was got talk about the state of his body and he was gone in her mind when she arrived. when you hear and think about the contradictions between what she was told, and what ultimately was revealed in these videos speak to me about the importance of the capture of it, the idea of this memorize we have not always seen but now become acostumed to expecting and needing. >> first of all it's just dignity in the grace of the mother is extraordinary, on the other hand you have to be depressed because what you're seeing are police who are routine, they seem routine how they beat the guy, how they tried to cover it up. that seemed routine and that's depressing's what's inspiring is that there's a resiliency and a about the and a dignity and

strength in this community and especially in the black mothers in this community that time and time again shows itself. and that, that is something that i think everybody between needs to hold on to. what kind of strength for her to sit there and to explain what she explained and to talk about her son the way that she did. so yes, there's a lot of lying going on. a deeper truth was being told by that mother. she is not got let this despicable act take away her joy, her love for her son, her belief in his destiny, even now, she is sticking up for his destiny, he's going to be known be and this is not in vein, and so you're seeing the worst and the best between and i just wanted to say i appreciate her strength and she's giving strength to the whole country tonight. >> she certainly has and we continue to think about her and what she must be going through,

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