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very good monday morning to you, i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm erica hill. this morning lawmakers back on capitol hill facing growing pressure after the deadly beating of tyre nichols by memphis police ignites renewed calls for federal police reform. nichols' family attorney benjamin crump telling cnn tyre's tragic death should force congress to act. >> shame on us if we don't use his tragic death to finally get the george floyd justice in policing act passed. >> so will things change this time around? the congressional black caucus is calling for a meeting with president biden this week to push for negotiations on police reform. >> remember there was a push,

bipartisan push in the wake of george floyd it didn't make it through two years ago following that death, those discussions broke down in the senate, congress failed to pass the federal reforms. now the president of tennessee's naacp chapter is pleading with congress to try again. >> we come to call to action for congress. by failing to craft and pass bills to stop police brutality the blood of black america is on your hands. so stand up and do something. also over the weekend the memphis police department deactivated the so-called s.c.o.r.p.i.o.n. unit, that is the task force at the center of nichols' death. >> that's where we begin this hour, cnn's senior crime and justice correspondent shimon prokupecz joining us. in terms of that decision what more do we know that decision and about this unit? >> this unit was created to fight crime essentially. it was their main thing was to prevent crime from occurring,

from going into these neighborhoods in memphis, which saw a spike in crime and that was their goal, attack where this crime was occurring. so it was a plain clothes for the most part unit, they drove around in unmarked cars, the s.c.o.r.p.i.o.n. unit is what -- the name that was given to them by the police department and their focus, as you see on our screen, was about robberies and homicides. so over the weekend after calls from community leaders and tyre nichols' family to disband this unit, the police chief went ahead and announce that had on saturday. so now it is no longer. they have to figure out what other measures they can take now there at the police department to help fight some of the crime because memphis is one of these neighborhoods, one of these areas in this country where there is this huge spike of crime targeting, you know, every day lives of people, car theft and burglaries. so this is something that the memphis police department is certainly going to have to deal with and also, you know, it's

likely that the department of justice at some point based on some of the complaints we're hearing from community members about this unit that they're going to have to come in and take a look at what the memphis police department has been doing and what's called a pattern and practice kind of look at what this police department and this unit specifically was doing. so that could happen here, guys. >> shimon prokupecz, appreciate it. thank you. tyre nichols' parents are expected to be at the state of the union address next week, invited by the congressional black caucus. this comes as the caucus tries to jump start, really restart, negotiations on federal police reform. >> cnn's senior white house correspondent mj lee joins us now. the congressional black caucus has requested this meeting with president biden, the road to police reform, though, likely a bit more challenging given the current landscape in washington. >> reporter: yeah, you know, erica and jim, tyre nichols' death and the videos showing the moments leading up to that death have obviously caused outrage

around the country and here in washington what that has meant is renewed calls for police reform. as you said, members of the congressional black caucus they are asking for a meeting with president biden to discuss exactly that. the chair of the cbc saying in a statement over the weekend, we are calling on our colleagues in the house and senate to jump start negotiations now and work with us to address the public health epidemic of police violence that disproportionately affects many of our communities. i should say we have not gotten a response yet from the white house on this request for a meeting, but president biden has joined democrats and members of the cbc in calling for the revival of the so-called george floyd police act, and this is a bill that would, in part, set up a national registry for police misconduct. it would also ban racial and religious profiling by members of law enforcement. it would also ban choke holds and no knock warrants, but it is

a bill that was introduced twice so far, once in 2020 and once in 2021, excuse me, and it was passed in the house when democrats clontrolled the house but it didn't go anywhere in the senate. you can imagine what an uphill battle it would have now that republicans control the house, but democrats are signaling that they still want to push ahead even given the political obstacles that exist. now, while all of this is going on, as you mentioned, next week we are set to see tyre nichols' family here in washington, d.c., they were invited to attend president biden's state of the union address and we are told that they have accepted that invitation. >> that will be quite a moment to see. mj lee at the white house, thanks so much. joining us now an associate professor at the university of maryland college park and former minneapolis please chief arredondo. good to see both of you this morning. as we look at where we're at and

as mj laid out for us, we heard over the weekend this renewed push, obviously, to revisit the george floyd justice in policing act. we heard from senator dick durbin who said this may not solve all the problems but it's a place to start. you had congressman jim jordan on the other hand saying, look, this wouldn't have changed anything for tyre nichols. when things in washington are almost continuously approached in this manner, if there is this attitude of, well, this wouldn't have changed anything, it would not mean that this young man would be alive today, when that's your starting point, how do you get anything done? >> i think it's difficult and that's not what the public wants to see. my research documents that the george floyd justice in policing act would have huge implications for transforming policing in the united states. we have to keep in mind a couple of statistics that have implications for tyre nichols. first, research documents that every one out of 1,000 black males can expect to die to police violence and black people are 3.5 times more likely than

whites to be killed by police when they are unarmed and not attacking. that is tyre nichols' story. as we look at the george floyd act, qualified immunity was the big thing as it relates to bias, as it relates to certification. that is something that should be happening across the country. also when it comes to data. there is an implication that the s.c.o.r.p.i.o.n. units or the red dog unit that chief davis ran in atlanta, some kind of way really helped. when we look at crime data across time, and i know memphis well, i'm a native tennesseean, i attended the university of memphis, when you look over time it's question whether or not the units have impact but they often terrorize and butte lies communities that look like me. >> chief arredondo, referring back to the awful tape of the beating of tyre nichols, when you hear the cops claim in the wake of that on tape that nichols swung at them, reached for their gun, though there's no evidence of that visible on the

videos, do you see them there aware to some degree that they needed a cover story to justify the violence? >> yeah, good morning, jim and erica. thank you for having me. first and foremost, i just want to give my thoughts and condolences to mr. nichols' family, i can only imagine what they're going through. to your question, jim, from what i saw on the video, what i can absolutely tell you is that looking at what chief davis -- and i know her well and she is of the utmost character, integrity and ethics, she looked at policy, the procedures of the memphis police department and at least from what i've reviewed of those policies she was absolutely right, for chief davis to use the words heinous, reckless and inhumane, that is certainly what i saw. so i think she absolutely did the right thing in terms of holding those officers accou accountable. there's still an ongoing investigation with her

department there and so she will absolutely do what she needs to do to make sure that that trust is there. >> yeah. >> professor, one thing that was certainly different in the wake of this horrific beating and the ultimate death, which resulted in it for mr. nichols, is the initial response. what we heard initially, including those comments as chief arredondo just referred to, from the police chief talking about how heinous this was, how inhumane it was and yet we are back here again asking a number of the same questions. is there anything that you found both in your research and i would say even anecdotally as you are looking at this country, professor, that leads you to believe that this time will, in fact, be different, that this horrific death could lead to some change or at the very least sustain a conversation a little bit longer? >> well, look, i think as the chief was saying, it's important to note that memphis is becoming a new standard for accountability up to this point in terms of how they rolled things out. having an investigation, firing the officers, showing the family

the video, preparing for some protests and showing that to the public, charging those officers criminally, i think a lot of people expect for more things to come. as we think about moving forward, i think we simply have to look at the road to nashville where they have a community oversight board where civilians have votes on the police misconduct board. that creates transparency, equity and memphis should follow suit. the other point is following data. we should have data to be able to track these criminalist i can outcomes when it comes to arrest and getting drugs off the street. police officers do amazing things every single day but because our data for police are set up in a deficit manner we never get those positive outcomes. those are things that could actually change. as i mentioned before, that certification process is prime. and the big thing, and here we go, eventually there is going to be a large civil settlement paid out to tyre' nichols' family.

memphis does not have money to pay out this huge settlement but it will. we have to think about restrukt hinge r. i think that where it comes from police department insurance policies. that he is the real accountability. >> chief, to effect change is this primarily a legislation issue for a culture issue that is a police culture issue how these difficult decisions in the moment are made? you've commanded police before, which do you think is more impactful? >> jim, that's a great question and i would say it's actually both. i think that most police chiefs and certainly chief davis has been working on culture change and making sure that the memphis pd which overwhelmingly has great men and women dedicated each day and night for the citizens of memphis, but culture in any organization is very difficult to change and you have to continue to stay at it and sustain it, but also legislation. chief davis was able to fire those officers under her

employment tools immediately. there are many municipalities around the country, jim, that that makes it very difficult, the legal laws and constraints make it very difficult for chiefs when they see egregious obvious acts of clear misconduct it makes it very difficult. so legislative changes are very important, we know that police unions have a role in part of that culture change as well and so i think it's got to be a two-tiered approach, jim. >> gentlemen, really appreciate you both joining us today with your insight. thank you. >> thank you. >> yes, so many issues to discuss going forward. the man who wrestled the gun away from the monterey park shooting suspect is now being honored for his heroism. the city of alhambra and local officials gave brandon tsai several honors including a medal of courage from the alhambra police department. >> and the 26-year-old will also be a guest of president biden at the state of union address last week, the president invited him during a call last week to thank

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this week president joe biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy will meet as democrats and republicans continue to face off over the debt ceiling. >> this meeting the first between the two since that contentious vote to elect the speaker comes as the treasury department is taking extraordinary measures to keep the groft from defaulting after

congress failed to act on the debt ceiling. lauren, mccarthy says he wants to tie the debt limit increase to spending cuts. biden says no way, no room for negotiation there. so how are they going to work through this. >> reporter: well, this meeting and what it really means for the debt ceiling negotiations going forward is really all in the eye of the beholder. like you said, kevin mccarthy hoping that this really opens the door into a broader discussion about what cuts could be negotiated as part of that debt ceiling increase. here is what he said yesterday on cbs. >> i know the president said he didn't want to have any discussions, but i think it's very important that our whole government is designed to find compromise. i don't think there's anyone in america who doesn't agree that there's some wasteful washington spending that we can eliminate. so i want to sit down together, work out an agreement that we can move forward to put us on a path to balance, at the same time not put any of our debt in jeopardy at the same time.

>> reporter: and democrats are arguing that there could be a discussion potentially on spending cuts in the future, but that that in the past has never been tied to discussions about the debt ceiling. and the white house had a very firm statement, making it clear that this meeting on wednesday is not going to be about negotiations over the debt ceiling, saying, quote, the president will ask speaker mccarthy if he intends to meet his constitutional obligation to prevent a national default as every other house and senate leader in u.s. history has done. and as leaders mcconnell, schumer and jeff frees have all pledged to do. he will underscore that the economic security of all americans cannot be held hostage to force unpopular cuts on working families. we do know there are going to be a couple months before this issue really hits a major head and that of course is coming in june when we know that secretary yellen has made clear she is going to run out of extraordinary measures to keep the u.s. from defaulting on this

debt. erica and jim? >> i mean, there are budget negotiations, but not typically with the threat of defaulting on the nation's debt hanging over them. lauren fox, thanks so much. joining us now cnn's senior political analyst john avalon. so picking up there, what's interesting as we look at all of this, i think, is that there is this call for budget cuts, right, by the gop, the conference, though, doesn't seem to have a clear list of what those cuts would be, what the amounts would be and let's be honest, they haven't needed one, nate cohn pointed out well this morning this was certainly not a rallying cry for republicans in the midterms, right? they were focused more on perceived cultural issues. so how does kevin mccarthy, then, or can kevin mccarthy, i guess is the question, get his caucus on one page here? >> well, you know, kevin mccarthy has struggled to do that from literally day one of his speakership. but i think you point to the right issue which is that republicans haven't actually set

out what their spending cut goals are, and usually when you negotiate with someone they have a list of requests, demands and you bounce them back on the other side. as you point out none of this is done with the full faith and credit of the united states being held hostage. now, republicans have traditionally been the party of fiscal responsibility but when presidents and their party have been in power they have let the spending ride. 25% of all the federal debt was accumulated under donald trump. so this is a real issue, the democrats and republicans are going to need to find some way to compromise their different philosophies, but republicans need to have specific plans and be more consistent when there is a republican president. don't just care when a democrat is in the white house. >> when we speak about regular order how business of congress is normally done, typically you get majorities elected in both houses, you negotiate and pass a budget with those votes, you don't hold default over the head and claim that that's a negotiation. is that -- when we speak about

regular order? >> that would be regular order. jim, you write and talk a lot about great power of politics. if the united states were to default on its obligations, it would be the equivalent of a great power lighting itself on fire. i think there is a danger of thinking that it will never happen. it is being used as a constant threat and that's got to stop. if you care actually about making america strong, great power in the world and the republicans keep playing -- >> and wz we look forward as lauren points out, right, june, it's not until june. june is barreling at us like a freight train, it's going to be here before anyone knows t there isn't a lot of time to deal with it. from a practical perspective this meeting is a win for kevin mccarthy. that's a good thing ultimately for the american people. is this meeting in your view a good thing for the american people that the speaker and the president are sitting down together? >> yes, if they can reason together. you know, it is absolutely -- kevin mccarthy has to have a list of requests and they have

to find a way to reason together, but it can't be with the sword hanging over the nation's full faith and credit. it's always good when a speaker and the president sit down, they have to be able to reason together but be able to do it reasonably without threat of lighting the country on fire going forward. that's not too much to ask. >> republican majority in the house and they are promising and ran in part on oversight of the democratic administration. they are planning a number of investigations through a number of committees and they plan to expedite the subpoena process. where does the power of the congressional subpoena stand right now given all the challenges that republican lawmakers and officials made to democratic subpoenas in the last congress? >> that's the problem. we get back to the fundamental demise of the politics of the golden rule where parties are trying to impose rules that they wouldn't want imposed on themselves. if republicans start going on a certificate yes, sir of investigations and issuing subpoenas democrats will say, look, you ignored subpoenas when

we were in power. we need to get back to regular order and treating the other party like you would like to be treated but that seems a world away from where we are as long as jim jordan is running investigations. >> real quickly before we let you go new hampshire governor chris sununu said he's considering maybe running in 2024 but acknowledged the uphill battle when you look at who else is on the playing field. definitely donald trump, likely ron desantis. is there room for another republican to throw their hat in the ring? >> absolutely. and i think chris sununu has a record of governing, obviously first in the nation primary in new hampshire on the republican side. you're going to need people who represent -- nikki haley is obviously looking at running, vice president pence. the important thing for republicans not to be cowed by the spectre of donald trump running again and have the courage in their convictions and then the process will play out. people will drop out before the primary votes are cast fending on how they're doing, but governors are traditionally a great place to look for future

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elementary school we are talking about, here you go. as of now police are on campus to assist in the transition, we've seen several officers here already this morning. students are provided with clear backpacks to carry around, they are not permitted to bring their regular backpacks to school. there are two state of the art metal detectors now installed on campus. visitors are now limited for the first week of instruction and we're told that if parents want to walk their children all the way to their classrooms, they are now subject to being searched. as of -- as for the people who are -- have been widely accused of presiding over this complete breakdown of security and failing to protect their teachers before the shooting, george parker iii the superintendent of the newport news public schools was ousted from his job but he is still going to get about a half a million dollars in severance pay, two years of his regular salary. the principal here, brianna foster newton who was the principal on the day of the shooting, she is no longer the principal here, she has been reassigned to another job but school officials not telling you

exactly where she has been reassigned. that's just some of the fallout that they're dealing with here. a lot of parents we talked to on the way in, very anxious, but also kind of eager to get their kids back in school. >> i mean, this is elementary school in america in 2023 and that is just beyond sad. brian todd, really appreciate it. thank you. week two of the alex murdaugh murder trial under way in south carolina, the disgraced and disbarred former attorney is accused of shooting and killing his wife maggie and son paul in june of 2021. >> prosecutors ended the first week by playing this video, it's a recording of murdaugh's first interview with authorities after he said he found the bodies of his wife and son, as you see here, he appeared visibly upset. this happened at different times in the video. cnn's dianne gallagher joining us live from south carolina.

the video also calls into question some of his actions that night, diane. >> reporter: that's right, erica. so so far two days' worth of testimony, court getting ready to begin in just a few moments, and there are sort of dual elements that seem to be taking center stage when we are looking at the pace that the prosecution is trying to build here. the first one is blood. now, when court begins the defense is going to begin its cross-examination of state special agent melinda worley, she testified for an extended period on friday saying when she swabbed ten different places in alex murdaugh's suburban that the swabs were presumptive positive for blood, but there's also the case of how much blood there was on scene and how little there was on alex murdaugh himself. murdaugh telling detectives, telling anyone who interviewed him and on the 911 call that he checked on both his wife maggie and his son paul trying to turn them over, check for their pulse, but each of these

detectives and people who were on scene, you can also see in the video, alex murdaugh is clean. there is no visible blood on him. the prosecution trying to essentially create this case that either he changed clothes, talking about a whole bunch of water there, maybe a cleanup that was under way, or, you know, something else that happened here, but he wasn't telling authorities the truth is what the prosecution seems to be leaning toward. the defense, however, essentially saying he's not covered in blood, this is a gruesome scene, he didn't do t we're going to see that cross-examination continue in just a few moments. but the other part that seems to be taking center stage here is the fact that alex murdaugh appeared prepared with some sort of motive that there was another killer right out of the gate on the 911 call, the very first thing that he told the police, and in his interview as you will see right here, he goes back to a 2019 boat crash as a possible mot

motive. >> problems out here, trespassers? >> what comes to my mind is my son paul was in a boat wreck a couple years ago. there's been a lot of negative publicity about that and there's been a lot of people online just really vile stuff. >> reporter: now, that was a deadly boat crash in which paul, who of course was murdered that night, was charged and those charges were dropped after he died. you can see court beginning now. this is the ninth witness, again, erica and jim, and we do believe that the state will take at least until the end of this week to present their case. >> such an alarming story. dianne gallagher, thanks so much. secretary of state antony blinken arriving in israel this morning for high stakes diplomatic talks. he has plans to reduce the rising tensions between israelis and palestinians amid surging violence. that's next.

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this morning the pakistani taliban is claiming responsibility for an explosion inside a mosque that is -- that has now killed at least 34 people and injured more than 120. the group says that attack is revenge for the death last year of one of its members. cnn cannot independently verify those claims. the attack happened during afternoon prayers at a mosque mostly attended by law enforcement officials. cnn's ivan watson joins us now with more. i'm curious what the authorities know at this point about this explosion. >> they're calling it a suicide attack with the prime minister and the head of police. as you mentioned it took place monday afternoon in this northwestern city not far from the border with afghanistan and it was actually a mosque called

the police line's mosque, it's in the administrative heart and that would have been a mosque that likely would have been attended by many members of the pakistani law enforcement. there have been several claims of responsibility from different leaders of the so-called pakip pakistani taliban. that's an islamic movement, a violent one that's been battling the pakistani government off and on for more than ten years. it had weakened from the height of its power when it took over the swat valley in 2008, 2009, it had weakened what but the victory of the taliban in neighboring afghanistan analysts say have kind of brought new life into the pakistani taliban and there were concerns and security concerns leading up to this deadly attack, such that

there were extra check points and extra security measures in both peshawar and in the capital is islamabad in recent weeks. getting through multiple lines of security to hit a mosque typically attended by members of law enforcement, the attack has been denounced by the leaders of pakistan's rival main political parties and is also raising fears that perhaps pakistan could be sliding towards another period of additional waves of suicide attacks which it knows from not too recent deadly history. erica. >> ivan watson, appreciate it. thank you. the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken is in israel this morning working to ease rising tensions between israelis and palestinians, it's a violent time there. the secretary meeting with israel's prime minister and foreign minister in the aftermath of a surge of attacks

in jerusalem and in the west bank. >> benjamin netanyahu vowing to strengthen jewish settlements in response to the attacks, including an attack a sin gone. a palestinian official said palestinians are in the west bank have documented dozens of attacks by israelis settlers. joining us hadas gold. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. there is a lot of hope that secretary of state antony blinken's visit will help reduce the temperature here because the temperature on the ground, the tensions have been boiling, but i have to be honest, there's not a lot of optimism that even at his best attempts he will be able to potentially completely stop the cycle of violence, potentially only calm things down just a little bit. upon landing just in the last hour or so the secretary of state called this a pivotal moment. take a listen to what he had to say. >> it's the responsibility of everyone to take steps to calm tensions rather than inflame them. to work toward a day when people

no longer feel afraid in their communities and in their homes and in their places of worship. that is the only way to halt the rising tide of violence that has taken too many lives, too many israelis, too many palestinians. i will make that clear throughout my time in israel on the west bank with everyone that i meet. >> reporter: and as he's meeting right now with the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, who has only been back in office not even a month, i think it's a month today, and then he will be meeting with other leaders. likely what he is going to be discussing with netanyahu is of course the rising levels of violence and the israeli actions in response to those attacks. he may be asking him to potentially moderate some of those positions. some things are being condemned as collective punishment, for example, israelis announcements that you're going to demolish the homes of attackers or push forward legislation that would revoke the israeli residency of families of attackers. he will likely ask him to rein

in some actions in the west bank. you mentioned those reports of attacks by israelis settlers against palestinians, but netanyahu also has to balance his own domestic interest, he leads what is largely considered the most right wing religious government in israeli history and some of his more extremist ministers have been calling for the death penalty or terrorists, some have called for dismantling the palestinian authority. it will be interesting to see how netanyahu will balance this american pressure along with his own domestic internal political pressure. we do expect to hear from them in half an hour. >> hadas gold, thanks so much. most social media companies allow users to join at just 13 years old. the surgeon general of the united states says that's simply too young. we will have more of his recommendations coming up. this valentine's day, give the gift of shihine. at zales, the diamond store.

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facial recognition. >> james dolan is saying that the madison square gardens is threatening the liquor license as lawyers are planning to sue msg to sue patrons for attending the venues, and it is not just madison square garden, but it is dolan saying, this is my venue, and i can allow who is allowed in and who is not, and how is that sitting with the city? >> well, it is all starting with the mayor letitia james who is saying that the facial recognition software is not just tech, but it is holding the people attending events at madison square garden is a protest by james dolan of the new york city liquor authority by saying that you might be in

violation by allowing lawyers who are representing the folks who are suing madison square entertainment, and might have been temporarily banned, and this is how one of them was greeted when they tried to enter the arena. >> you are coming up matching someone on facial recognition. >> benjamin -- >> yes, you are revoked. >> that is because that is an attorney who is representing ticket brokers who are suing madison square garden entertainment, and again, that is all attorneys there. and they are saying they are a private business and fully within the rights. they also put out the statement that reads that the attorneys were prohibited from attending and including ambulance grabbers who is self-promotion and capitalize on the misfortune of other money grabbers and the attorneys would misrepresent that representation, and it is

those who are representing those with other claims, and they maintain that they are using facial recognition to provide a safe environment since 2018, and there have gone into attorney general james' inquiries, but one of the law firms was able to sue and they had a judge write that there is no reason for this lawsuit, but it seems to be a ongoing pattern. >> it is tough to be a knicks' fan these days. thank you, omar jimenez. >> thank you. and now, the attorney general is warning that 13 is too young to be joining social media. >> and now, we are joined by elizabeth cohen, and i have kids that age, but it is a battle these days, because the surgeon general is saying to have

tech-free meals, and so i am curious what is the thinking of specifically about that age limit? >> so, the basis, jim, it is studies that have been done that are looking at the brains of young middle schoolers and when they use a lot of social media, and you can see the difference of the mris when you are looking at the groups of children who use social media and those who don't. and the dopamine surge of i like a video like that, and i want another one, and those who don't. and then they keep feeding them to that where nothing else in the world is as interesting, and that is a problem. so take a listen to surgeon general. >> i personally base it on the data that i have seen that 13 is too early, and it is a time that in early adolescence when the kids are developing the sense of self, and it is a time to be thoughtfulf of how they think about their own self-worth and

relationships and the skew and often distorted world of social media does a disservice in many of those children. >> this is a very strong stance that the surgeon general is taking to say that children of these ages, you should not let your children be on the social media, and i have never heard a public official say that, and what he is recommending is that the parents should band together and say to the social media platforms that we are not allowing our children on at that age. so this is what parents can do if your children are on social media platforms, and you can use the parental controls built into these platform and set time limits and knowing that i am a parent, and that is really hard to do. and you can set up the accounts together, and talk to the child in that time about what you are doing, and know their password and all of that. and this is important, encourage all of the activitys the, because it is a matter of giving them something else to do, and

because, again, these social media platforms trigger the dopamine in children's brains. they want more and more of it, and the social media platforms, the surgeon general made the case that the children are no match for the social media platforms. >> and adults are also no match, because think of how long you doom squirrel. >> junk food for the brain, and it is working same way, and you can't have just one. elizabeth cohen, thank you so much. the deadly beating of tyre nichols by memphis police is reigniting the calls for congress to take action on federal police reform, but can kit happen in this politically divided congress? this valentine's day, give the gift of shine. at zales, the diamond store.e. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a gomine. well she doesn't

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