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drove them to the scene. also today, the police department revealed that a sixth and then a seventh officer had been, quote, relieved of duty. as you know, five have already been fired and charged with second-degree murder. their specialized scorpion unit is now disbanded, and there could be more charges to come. we're going to talk about that tonight with a local district attorney. also our legal team on the potential difficulty of getting convictions under tennessee's hurt statute, and our law enforcement experts weigh in on effect or lack of one body cameras had on their behavior, including one suspended officer who came on to the scene shortly after mr. nichols had been pulled over. this is part of his camera's recording, and a warning, it is graphic, both on what you see and what you hear. >> get on the floor. get out of the car. >> i didn't do anything! i didn't -- >> turn your ass around. >> all right, all right, all right, all right. >> on the ground, on the ground. >> all right, all right. you don't do that, okay? get on the -- ground!

get on the ground! >> all right, i'm on the ground. i'm on the ground. >> lay down! on the ground! >> i'm going tase you. get on the ground! now! taser. >> all right, okay, all right. okay, dude, dang. >> turn the -- around. >> bitch, put your hands behind your back. >> you guys are really doing a lot right now. >> in a moment, the district attorney who said today, quote, we're looking at everybody in this case. even he said people who just did the paperwork on it. justice correspondent shimon prokupecz with the breaking news as well as a closer look at this disbanded scorpion unit and if there are others like it across the country. what are you learning? >> the fire department announcing a short time that three emts, a lieutenant, and two emts have been terminated, fired after taking really no

action, as we saw in the video. tyre nichols' body would stay on scene for almost 20 minutes for a stretcher arrived. and as a result of the inaction by these emts, they have now been fired. also today, anderson, we're learning that a sixth and seventh police officer with the memphis police department is now on leave. they are part of this investigation, as you mentioned. the sixth officer because of that taser that he used. he is under investigation. and now a seventh officer is under investigation as well. and the memphis police department said that their investigation is still ongoing and that more personnel action can be taken. this of course comes as scrutiny over this unit, the scorpion unit continues. tonight we take a look at other units similar to the scorpion unit around the country. just a warning that some of the video you may see, you may find graphic. >> there is a reckoning coming for the police department and for the leadership.

>> reporter: launched with fanfare in 2021, the memphis police department's now defunct scorpion unit was among the first major initiatives by new memphis police chief c.j. davis only a few months on the job. >> too many families, too many mothers, too many fathers have suffered in our city. and quite frankly, i think we are all tired of it. >> reporter: faced with rising murder rates and a spike in violent thefts, the street crimes operation to restore peace in our neighborhoods was her response. 40 officers who would patrol high crime areas, often in plain clothes with a mandate to deliver arrests. >> the scorpion unit has had a total of 566 arrests, 390 of them for felonies. they have seized $103,000 in cash, 270 vehicles and 253 weapons. >> reporter: now after five members of the unit were caught on video and charged with murder in the violent beating of tyre

nichols, it's been disbanded. specialized units have existed in most of america's 70 major city, often driving police arrest stats and generating pr opportunities for politicians eager to appear tough on crime. >> i'm glad to hear that the unit has been disbanded. i think we should probably be taking a serious look at these specialized units, both in memphis and around the country. >> reporter: this kind of so-called elite police squad is not a new idea. >> so some cities are taking on drug dealers with urban commando teams with intimidating names. like crash, dart, tnt, and in atlanta, red dog. >> show me hands, get on your knees. >> reporter: atlanta's red dog unit started in the 1980s. officers went on high-risk raids and patrolled public housing. it was publicly popular, but was disbanded in 2011 after years of complaints over its tactics. in 2021, facing a new spike in

crime, atlanta pd launched its latest specialized titan unit. >> we believe the direction they will have to be more aggressive as it relates to street violence we are up against. but it is no way to replace what red dog was. >> reporter: in new york, the nypd's street crime unit was launched in the 1970s with the motto "we own the night." the unit faced controversy in 1999 after four plainclothes officers fired 41 shots at amadou diallo, an unarmed student outside his apartment building in the bronx, claiming he fit the description of a man wanted for rape. the officers who shot diallo were found not guilty. the unit was disbanded in 2002 after a federal investigation uncovered racial profiling. in 2020, the nypd disbanded all of its plainclothes anti-crime units, the kind responsible for the chokehold death of eric garner. new york city mayor and former police officer eric adams told cnn on monday specialized units

aren't inherently bad. >> the units don't create abuse. abusive behavior creates abuse. >> reporter: nearly 25 years later, amadou diallo's mother is still fighting to change police practices. >> i have to hold my heart and i have to let them know that this is a club that we wish we never had to welcome them. and this is a club that no families want to be part of. >> reporter: from philadelphia to baltimore and indianapolis, memphis is the latest example of an all too common cycle, crime rises, police create an aggressive unit that delivers an increase in arrest. then comes scandal or tragedy. >> ever since then the department of justice may go to memphis and look at the scorpion unit. >> the civil rights unit there is looking at the shooting overall. but then they can bring in doj personnel to look at the practices and patterns of this unit. and it's certainly something

that could happen, anderson. i was there for the week. and over the weekend, so many people would come up to us to talk to us about this unit and the problems they were having with the police. so it is likely this is something that the department of justice is going to look at. and it's going to be significant. >> shimon prokupecz, appreciate it. thank you. steven mulroy is the district attorney for shelby county. his office is prosecuting the five officers who have already been charged. we appreciate you being with us. we learned that three members of the memphis fire department have been terminated after an internal investigation found that, quote, they had violated numerous procedures and protocols. should the community expect to see charges for those individuals? >> well, anderson, because we have an ongoing investigation, and this is a pending prosecution, i can't speak to whether other charges are likely. i will say this. we brought the charges against the five officers who were on the scene and principally responsible for the death of tyre nichols extraordinarily quickly, less than three weeks, because we thought it was important to do so because of the extraordinary amount of

public concern about this case. but nothing we did last thursday when we returned indictments in those cases precludes us from bringing later charges against other people further on down the road. and we are in fact looking at everybody. we're looking at the officer that was at the first scene that did not go to the second scene. we're looking at fire department personnel who arrived afterwards. we're looking even at people who were doing the paperwork later on. we're looking at everything. nothing is being ruled out. but we need to ask for patience. three weeks is an extraordinarily short time to do any kind of an investigation in and charges. but for these more indirect persons, i think it's going to take a little bit longer. >> when you're saying you're looking at people doing the paperwork, i assume that's not hyperbole, that you literally are doing that. for something like that, to see how events were actually reported and recorded? to see if there are any inaccuracies there? >> yes, that's correct. >> so there are obviously the two additional memphis police

department employees who are relieved of duty. i know you can't say whether you expect to charge them as there is an ongoing investigation. how influential has the body cameras been in your decision-making process? >> well, i mean, obviously it's a key source of information. both the body cam video, and the video from the pole cam, the static cam. we had remarkably good quality footage in this case. more so than most cases. but that's not all that we're looking at. i want to emphasize that the process was pretty thorough, even though we acted quickly. we brought in immediately the tennessee bureau of investigation for an independent investigation. and then when it came time to make a recommendation as to whether officers should be charged, i asked my newly created justice review unit, which was originally designed to look to see where we had brought some wrongful convictions or sentences to take a look at this as well. they were designed to be independent. they don't work with law enforcement.

they report directly and only to me. in fact are physically separated. and that kind of objectivity has helped us in deciding whether charges should be brought against the officers involved in this and otfficer involved fatalities. >> it's not specialized units that create abuse. it's abuse that creates abuse. do you agree with that? do you think there is an inherent problem with specialized units like this? >> so, anderson, maybe a little bit of yes and no here. there is nothing wrong with hot spot policing, as they call it. like taking a look at the geographic data, identifying those areas of towns where there seem to be a spike in crime, and then deploying police accordingly. but sometimes the specialized units that do that kind of hot spot policing, they sort of develop their own esprit de corps, and it leads to a culture that is maybe hyper aggressive. and we've seen this with the scorpion unit, and we've seen

this with other units around the country. so while i wouldn't go so far as to say all specialized units are inherently bad, i do think there is way to do hot spot policing without having these elite specialized units, and that all such units should be met with careful supervision and very careful training to overcome the very natural temptation for them to feed off on each other and become overaggressive. >> isn't that about leadership, though? isn't it about oversight and leadership? obviously, you want people to have an esprit de corps as being involved in what they're doing. obviously you don't want the negative aspects of how that can be in that sort of hyper violent way. >> well, that's true. and i think it does require leadership. and it does require supervision. you know, we have a relatively new police chief who has been on the job for a year and a half. and i think she acknowledges that this needs to be a review of these specialized units there needs to be a review of the type of training and crucially

supervision of these units that occurs. and i'm hopeful that that kind of reevaluation will not be limited to just memphis, but will be nationwide. there. >> has been a lot of emphasis on the speed, the investigation. are you confident a jury will deliver convictions on those charges? because some attorneys have suggested that the second-degree murder charge could be difficult to prove because the tendency law stipulates tenants must be reasonably certain that their actions would lead to death. that is true. that is the definition of knowingly which is required for second-degree murder in tennessee. we are -- we did a very swift, but also very thorough analysis of all of the information, and we are comfortable with the charges we brought. we're confident we'll be able to prove every element of every of those offenses charged to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. and i'm also hopeful that the analysis doesn't end with this particular case, but it leads to a broader conversation about the need for police reform around the country. >> district attorney mulroy, i

appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> more now on the job prosecutors will have in making second-degree murder charges stick and the messages it may send to police departments beyond memphis. joining us is val demings, who served on the portland police force from 1983 until her retirement as chief of department in 2011. also with us cnn legal analyst and former deputy assistant attorney general elliot williams elliot, i want to get your reaction what the district attorney said about the second-degree murder charge. how difficult do you think it will be to prove that these five officers reasonably knew their actions would lead to nichols' death? >> let's start from the principle or premise that the officers in the video killed a man. i don't think that's in dispute here. the question is whether you can prove under tennessee law that number one, it was a knowing kill. that's what the law says. and number two, as the district attorney said, the officers were reasonably certain that their actions would have led to a death. now look, you can get there, and i think the prosecutor is

absolutely correct based on the information that's available. but a defense attorney could really poke holes in that for a number of ways. number one, you're going to see competing experts. the defense will likely call an expert on use of force and whether it was a permissible use of force under sort of norms in the police department. number two, on trauma to the body, where it's ultimately going to be the opinions of various doctors. i want to be clear, it's a homicide. it is a killing of an individual. that just doesn't mean that you'll necessarily secure a conviction. it's hard to see right now. the prosecutors seem convinced they have plenty of evidence. we'll see what comes forward. >> prosecutors will likely delve into the training of officers. given your nearly three decades in law enforcement, show those officers have known that repeated blows to the head and body could be fatal, that their repeated treatment of him could be fatal? >> anderson, let me just say

this. this is a horrific, horrible time for law enforcement. our beloved profession is in trouble. and what i do know, in orlando, florida, we had an internal policy that any strikes above the shoulders were prohibited, for that very purpose, because they would likely cause great bodily harm or death. and i would guess that most police departments, the overwhelming majority of departments have the same policy. so i believe the officers knew or they should have known that punching tyre in the face or kicking him in the face could cause death or great bodily harm. i think the evidence is overwhelming. >> elliot, as we mentioned, three memphis fire employees have been fired. well also learned two memphis police officers have been relieved of duty. what does that say of culpability and how this

investigation might progress? obviously the district attorney we talked to said they are looking at everyone. >> yeah, and i think the culpability isn't limited to just let's say the active homicide if you want the call it that. it's what is it, 22 or 23 minutes in which he is not receiving care. no one is performing cpr. an ambulance doesn't show up and so on. that is at best gross negligence on the part of the officers. and i'm certain that the prosecutors right now are looking into whether they can charge someone for that failure to render care. and even if they can't, i'm certain -- another thing i'm certain of is the justice department here in washington is looking into whether they can bring a federal civil rights charge against any of those paramedics, emts or officers for the failure to render care, which is itself seen as a violation of federal civil rights law. so there is a few different options here, even if tennessee can't prosecute them. >> congressman, elliot brings up the point of all the time they

spend standing there not doing anything. as someone who spends so much time in law enforcement have, you ever seen anything like that aspect, just the i mean anybody looking at that person laying on the ground knows that person is in trouble. >> oh, of course. i worked very closely with our emts, with our fire department. and i can say in almost 30 years on the street, i have family members who are firefighters, emts. i have never seen anything like that. my understanding is that the information they were given was that this was a, quote, pepper spray call. well, it's obvious or it should have been when they arrived on the scene that it was certainly more than a pepper spray call, looking at the condition of the -- of mr. nichols. and so i do not understand. i'm sure the investigation will certainly help us all understand

why they did not assess the condition of tyre and render the necessary aid. we -- there are a lot of unanswered questions, and we have got to have them answered. >> val demings, i appreciate your time tonight. elliot williams as well. thank you. just ahead, we'll have more on police body cams, the effect they might have on the criminal trials to come, and why the fact the cameras did not seem to stop the officers from doing what the video shows they did. two law enforcement experts join us. and later, kaitlan collins with more breaking news. there is new grand jury testimony in the mar-a-lago case. what documuments the witnesses were ablble to see. at the end of the day,y, my mom raised three children, including myself. and so once the client knew that she was heard. we were able to help her move forward. your client won't care how much you know until they know how much you care.

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we're talking tonight about all that's happened since the first police supervisor saw the body cam in another fatal beating of tyre nichols and decided something is wrong. it's led to the memphis fire department taking action tonight, firing three personnel who responded to the scene. there is little doubt video will play a big role in the upcoming trials of five officers facing murder charges. the question is what effect does wearing a body camera actually have on the way things are done? that is can a body cam change police behavior? or why didn't it seem to change anything in the crucial moments of this case? >> joining us is chuck wexler, from an organization dedicated to changing professionalism in policing. john miller, former deputy of intelligence of counterterrorism

with the nypd. john, first of all, what's your reaction to the firefighters getting fired, two others officers have been put on leave, including one of them who said "i hope they stomp his ass" after he ran. what is that officer's liability? >> so this is the triage piece, which is they've kind of separated the first wave of who is going to be handled in serious criminal charges. not that the rest of these people aren't going to be looked at for criminal charges. but this is pretty much the administrative portion. the firefighters for standing by where someone was seriously injured and clearly so and not rendering aid. and the officer who fired the taser, the comment entirely inappropriate, and yet very telling in this context, unprofessional and outside the rules. >> chuck, who determines on the scene whether an emt approaches the suspect? do they -- do firefighters, emts defer to police officers? >> i think they need to make

sure the scene is safe, and i think they stand back until they know they can go in. you know, it's interesting with body worn cameras, we developed the guidelines for them for the justice department. and when we worked with law enforcement on them, nobody wanted body worn cameras. the police were very opposed to them. and then the police realize they'd could be beneficial. what's so striking in this case is when i first heard about it, i thought -- i assumed that the officers weren't wearing body worn cameras. i assumed they were in plainclothes. it turns out they were in uniform and they were wearing body worn cameras. so how they could exhibit this behavior with body worn cameras is really astonishing. >> how it is possible? is it just a sense of they're in this specialized unit. they're the tough guys on the block, and it just went to their heads? i don't understand the logic of it.

>> well, i don't either. when we first gave cops body worn cameras, the assumption was they would change their behavior, they would act differently. i think in some cases that is. but in this case, it's just absolutely astonishing that these officers could act this way. i think they actually forgot that they were wearing them. and maybe at the very end, it's something dawned on them that, you know, we've done something bad. >> john, how do you see with body cameras? and when you listen to it, the sheer volume of officers yelling different instructions at this person, i don't know how anybody could comply with all of those. >> well, one of the things -- we went through all of this in new york. and one of the things we did was seven-day training course. and in the training course was de-escalation. they're not de-escalating. team tactics. they're not functioning as a team. they're all yelling something else. minimum force techniques. they're actually going up instead of down. so i think a lot of police

departments, memphis included, will be looking at if we're going to have specialized units out there with citywide authority focused on crime and acting independently, the training has to go way up. but on the body-worn camera issue, you know, they start off with the cameras rolling because they think they are doing the right thing. as they lose track of doing the right thing, i'm not sure that they came to that realization. and the cameras have been interesting because they've caused complaints against police to go down, because the person who might make something up knows there is a recording. on the other hand, it's caused a lot of complaints against police to be substantiated because when the person guess forward with it, despite the fact that they know it's on tape, usually the tape tells the truth. >> that's interesting. chuck, the police department in memphis has been praised for how quickly they responded to, although some now pointing out it's the police department, the mayor's office that created the scorpion unit that the officers belonged to in the first place.

do you think so-called elite units like the scorpion unit, are they inherently a problem? do they play an important role? >> well, i think what's happened is in the past two years, you've had a series of events. you've had the george floyd murder. you've had the pandemic, and then you've had a spike in violent crime. particularly homicides and shootings. and i think a lot of departments have pivoted and have said we need to do something about violent crime. but i think they forgot the lessons. amadou diallo, a number of cases like this where specialized units sort of are emboldened by the department, by the mayor. you've got to do something. but there are specific things that you can do. supervision is key. what was astonishing was there was no supervisor on scene there. and you had almost ten different people coming. so strict supervision.

you could use -- you could be reviewing body worn cameras videos. every specialized unit in this country now should take random set of body-worn camera videos from those specialized units and see how they're dealing with citizens. and you need strict policies and so forth. so i think, look, if you have violent crime, someone has to deal with it. but you just have to make sure that they are focused, targeted, and well supervised. >> chuck wexler, john miller, appreciate it. coming up next, the former president starting out on the campaign trail. we have new reporting on the grievances and insiders say he wants to run. there is breaking news on who has been talking to the grand jury about the mar-a-lago classified documents, coming up. with your farm er's policy perk, new car replacement, you can get a new one. (customer) that is something g else. (burke) get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. ♪ we are farmers. bum-m-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum eva's about to learn her fear of missing out leads to overating. i totally eat stuff to not miss out. ♪

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more breaking news tonight. two more witnesses for the federal grand jury investigating the former president, specifically the mar-a-lago documents. there is that tonight. plus new reporting in "the new york times" that a manhattan grand jury has begun hearing evidence in the alleged hush money case related to stormy daniels. all that as he hits the campaign in two early voting states. we learn more about the kind of campaign he wants to conduct. campaign that some former insiders have declined to join. cnn's kaitlan collins and audie corners joins us now. let's begin with the report. >> remember last fall, this is months after the fbi executed the search warrant at mar-a-lago and took all those documents, trump actually hired two people to go and search other properties of his for more classified documents. they actually found two of them in a storage facility in mar-a-lago. it with us these two individuals they had hired. and those two people actually went before the grand jury last

week and testified simply, each for about three hours, we're told, and testified about these documents about this search, what exactly they told them is unclear, but it's notable. because we knew that investigators wanted to speak to them. now they have gone and testified before the grand jury. so it shows one, they're bringing new people. in. >> right. if those were hired by a law firm, wouldn't they be covered by attorney/client privilege? >> that was a question that we asked at the time. we were told no, because they were technically brought on by the custodian of trump's records. that has become a big part of this, because whenever a president leaves office, they have a custodian of their records who basically handles everything with gsa. gsa is what helps facilitate that move. >> general services. >> yes. we asked about this when the search actually happened if that could potentially happen. even people in trump's own legal orbit did not think that would be the case. we'll see if they ever need that it's notable they went and spoke before the grand jury because it also comes, we're told, prosecutors ar ss are pushing t

at files of one staffer at mar-a-lago, potentially looking to see if there is any kind of paper trail talking about these classified documents. prosecutors are pushing for that, but there has been these really tense conversations with defense attorneys over trying to -- what those subpoenas look like, what those efforts look like. and what we are told, my colleague and i, the special counsel's office has been unable to negotiate, to give extensions for deadlines and things of that nature. >> interesting. audie, the former president has kind of started his campaigning. he has left mar-a-lago for a bit. he's got multiple criminal investigations swirling around him. he is attempting to get a new campaign off the ground. do you think the classified documents case is weighing on voters' minds? do you think this will impact things for him? >> well, i mean, we're still two years out, right, from any real ballot question for the voter. essentially, this is the difference for trump when he was in office, and he could fend off

all kinds and all manner of investigation and being former president. the other thing is this issue is really showing -- it can really undercut the sort of talking point that some republicans might want to have about president biden, right, especially after mike pence found documents. so instead of a very sort of easy win talking point to say look, biden did it too, and none of this matters, again, it is sort of having this grand jury investigation, having people testify, it's going to underscore the real issue for trump, which is the threat of obstruction and of fighting off the request for the documents. because that's where he got in trouble. not just having them. >> you know, it's interesting. the president said that this campaign will be about the future. how likely do you think it -- how long is that going to last? >> i mean, it's not up to me, but his own advisers are not -- it hasn't even started really, they don't think. because they have been urging him to stop talking about the 2020 election, to move on, to have a new message that he is going to focus on, because they

think that is how he is going -- that's the only way he'll do well. that's the only way he'll stand out in what is expected to be a pretty big republican field, as audie was noting there. it hasn't materialized yet. and a lot of that is because he's not really receptive, based on what i've heard from people who have spoken to him and had these conversations with him, he is not really receipt alternative this idea that he needs a new message. he thinks his message is good enough as it is. this has kind of been an issue with his campaign. he said over the weekend the words they're going to focus on the future. there are still words whether or not thame focus on the future. it's affecting staffing on the campaign there have been a lot of people who have offered to join the campaign, given these prominent position, and they said they're not interested at this time. >> audie, in new hampshire, the republican governor chris sununu told cnn he thought it lacked the fire of the 2016 campaign. do you think voters want a calmer more on message president? how much does his tone matter compared to the substance of

what he is saying? >> i mean, there has long been an argument that above a certain threshold of support, there are some people who support the former president, but quote, unquote don't like his style or don't like his communication, don't like his use of social media and twitter. and maybe that's the kind of voter you're talking about that will be affected by this. i do know having covered new hampshire, it's a good place to test it out. because it's a state that, you know, has embrace kind of tea party politics, but it's also a state where governor sununu can thrive. i think this is kind of an interesting moment for trump where he has to both try -- he can't be the insurgent. he can't be anti-establishment. he is the establishment, at least this moment for the party. and so what do you do with your message from there? i think obviously he is having some trouble with that. >> yeah, audie cornish, appreciate it. kaitlan collins as well. coming up, a "360" exclusive, what he saw serving with murders and convicts on the front lines of ukraine.

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tonight a "360" exclusive. a former fighter for the wagner group who defected. as you know, the wagner group is a force run by prigozhin. the u.s. has labeled wagner a criminal organization which has been heavily involved in the war

in ukraine and been recruiting soldiers from prisons. there has been a lot of reports of fatalities among wagner's poorly trained and equipped convicts, and reports that those who fight or attempt to escape are executed as a warning to others. one wagner soldier defected and was sent back to russia as part of a prisoner exchange was executed on camera with a sledgehammer. a man named andrei medvedev claiming to have defected from the wagner group has crossed into norway and has just been released after being interviewed by norwegian officials. he is hoping to receive asylum there. andre, an orphan, spent four years in prison for russia before joining the wagner group. and we should note his service in wagner was confirmed by its leader, prigozhin. i spoke to andrei medvedev before air time. >> if you could just talk a little bit about what it was like in the battle, on the battlefields with the prisoners.

how were they -- how were they used? what were the tactics? what was it like? >> translator: we weren't receiving any tactical plans. we just got a command to capture a position of the enemy, and by ourselves had to come up with a step by step plan of how to fulfill it. it was our problem to ensure that a command is fulfilled. >> you have said in the past that you saw wagner troops getting executed for disobeying orders. is that accurate? >> translator: such cases happened very often there. there is a question of how to persuade new recruits who arrived a the front lines and saw what was going on there and decide they'd don't want to fight to still go ahead and fight. they woo round up those who did not want the fight and shoot them in front of the newcomers to develop their self-preservation instinct. >> why did you decide to leave the wagner group? >> translator: i planned to leave wagner for a while, but i

didn't have the opportunity. i was afraid i'll be cap ctured and shot as a trailer. i want to live. by the end i knew they won't let me go. i'll return as part of the dead or the wounded. it was time to make a radical decision. if it wasn't for my guys, my comrades, i would have been buried at some training ground. >> there have been allegations and reports of the execution of civilians, civilians being shot just walking down the street, of abuse of civilians. did you see any of that? did you witness any of that? >> translator: i cannot say i witnessed this because i was tasked mainly with forested areas and approaches to bakhmut. i am not aware of such cases. no matter what, we had a strict code of conduct for fighters. if those rules are breached, there will be punishment. >> you escaped into norway. and the spot where you crossed

over, where you said you crossed over into norway, it's very heavily guarded on the russian border. and some people have raised questions about how you were able to even get to the border, because it's so heavily -- there are so many checkpoints on the way there. why cross at that place where it was so heavily guarded? >> i will say that the border with norway where i crossed is not as protected as much as the border with finland. but in this case, i am honestly very grateful for the training i received with the russian ministry of defense where i did military service and grateful to wagner. the training i received there came in useful and i gladly put to it use. >> did you have help getting across? aren't there any checkpoints even to get close to the boarder? >> translator: i was helped by workers of human rights groups in moscow and else where. even just civilians who heard my story. when i was approaching the last post next to the border, i was

helped bay man from murmansk who found a passport of a man who looked similar to me. i am very grateful to him, but cannot disclose his identity for his safety. the passport helped me to get past the control post, and i was able to get closer to the border. >> why have you agreed to talk? why do you -- what message are you trying -- do you want people to know about wagner, about your experience? >> translator: my idea was to tell the people what was happening there, and my mates who died there, they died under orders. so my aim is that the people who are guilty of these crimes should be brought to justice. >> and when you say the people who are guilty, who do you mean? and what are they guilty of? >> translator: you know, i would like to take this opportunity of stating publicly, maybe other folk have other views about this, but the first culprit is prigozhin because he is the top leader. >> prigozhin runs the wagner group. he is in charge of it.

>> translator: yes, him, absolutely. and the whole coordinating wagner lot. and everyone knows it's subject to the russian government's commands, the whole lot of them. >> does that include vladimir putin? >> well, everyone knows that what is happening there is his decision, of course. >> and just finally, andriy, you say you lost a lot of mates in the fighting. what should their mothers know? what should their families know about what happened to them? >> translator: they were great people, great because they were real human beings, and i can assure you that many were sober judges of what was happening out there. they were just people, normal folk. and that applied to the other side as well. because i had occasion to see the bravery of the ukrainian forces too. . >> andriy, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> translator: thank you. up next, the latest from day

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