there's more fallout tonight the fatal police -- the police department firing three in placing the medics and driver failed to properly assess nichols when they arrived on that scene. it's coming as officials confirmed that two more memphis police officers were also relieved of duty. that is the phrase they've used. at the top of the five other officers they were fired, and charge with secondary murder among other crimes in nichols death. what brennan darnell hartman. he's the former head of intelligence, the d.c. homeland security department. also here with us, ron johnson. retired captain of missouri state highway patrol. and former incident commander at ferguson missouri. glance have both of you here today. thank you for joining us. i will begin with, you know, because there's a new york times analysis, that was particularly interested in.

and i found that the officers in this encounter shouted at least 71 commands. 71 commands approximately a 30 minute period. i want to play a clip, frankly, from that initial stop for a moment listen to this. >> tony round. >> all right, all right, all right. [inaudible] i am on the ground, i'm on the ground. stay on the ground. i'm going to tase you. get on the ground. just hearing this, yet again, frankly it is anxiety producing to say the least. and i wonder about this.

the screaming, the confusion that must've been sued. the disorienting nature. how disorienting with this have been for somebody tonds and a that they're receiving its, and of course, the aggressive nature. i bet initial stop? >> it is clear he did not even though i is getting pulled over for southern immediate shot getting pulled over. and then many police academies that i went to the police academy that we were trained not to do that. i let you lawn forsman analysts gets relayed ensembles that but when you go to the police academy they instruct you to have one individual interacting with that person. so that you don't have those conflicting type of commands. because then people donald to do. the more it escalates, the more yellow there is. the more confuse the individual gets. and so, that is exactly what you saw there. later on gets even worse. >> it really does.

it's brainer captain johnson. for of all modeling the confusion but how calm compared to the officers tyree nichols was. he was one and that video we just played who appeared to be trying to use some kind of de-escalation tactics with the cooler head and attempting to prevail. but i wonder what should the officers have done besides none of this? what should the officers have done to mitigate and de-escalate the appropriate training to follow? i >> wear unit, and so one person should been designated to give the commands. . there are many commands their, and your rights. so many, there's no way he can perform the ball. the told the conversation, and he was the escalating. when you have units like that, use one person is designating get on the ground, heavily on the ground, put your hands behind your back. and you heard the tone. so the tone really set a lot of confusion. and your rights, tyrese was

really trying to de-escalates in many ways throughout the conversation. >> you talk about the contradictory commands. you see throughout the video, throughout the time, it is being shown to show me a, hands shamira. and yet there's no actual possibility that when both hands are restraint he could actually have complied for showing his hands when he was physically into that point. idea that contradictory commands. does that seem to they don't really have intention to comply and these were intended to just be sucker punches and harming him? >> i those officers are out of control. they were used in their training. they were just intent on being aggressive and over -- so someone is wrapping his

hands and say let me see your hand. so try to follow i and who knows what commands tried fall cause we're seeing so many. so i think these officers really got outside the training. melissa self we saw that video have never been trained. from the blows some the tactics that we saw. >> it's now, i wanna bring in because we have another piece out talking about who else should be prosecuted and you say prosecute the medics who watch tyre nichols die. and every police involved murder and abuse of force ire is a silent party isa actions typically go a notice. the rescue and medical responders who failed to trade these victims properly. you say the memphis fire department should been responding and should also face

criminal charges. tell me why? >> absolutely, just because you're not landing blows, or kicking, does not mean they are not responsible. these individuals have what is a duty to act. they breach of duty, they'd have to have a trained eye. you have be a paramedic like i was. these individuals familiar round the scene, they're not doing anything. the first full of medicines to do no harm. clearly, i think, the personal opinion. it speaks to and environments perhaps a culture in the streets of memphis. we're about to see respondents, where this is the norm, or accepted. i've worked a lot of departments, and i would be a gas to see in this. these people are silent perpetrators, they are not committing the act of violence. they're committed pacify a let's. so we really need to understand the dynamics behind that.

and why that was so pervasive. that's so many people are essentially getting laid off or not doing anything they should be doing. >> that inside both feel on this. tyre nichols whose hands were restraint. not those whose jobs it was to perform a cursory inspection on what happened. i want to turn now to democratic congresswoman, stephen horsford. he's the chairman of the congressional black caucus this evening. congressman, thank you for being here. it is difficult to watch this happen. from never again to once again. and in that space, and that vein. legislation possibly can fill back out. i do wonder what your reaction is to what can be done at the legislative level. to go from, once again, back to never again. >> first, thank you for having me on the congressional black

caucus. we are committed to doing everything we possibly can. working across party lines with the president, with our communities, with the families, so uplift their voice. i spoke to tyre nichols father and his mother by phone on sunday. to hear directly from them to express our condolences on behalf of congressional black caucus. and ask them what do they want? and what they told me, first, is to remind people who tyre nichols was. he was a sudden, he was a father he had purpose, and passion, and a life ahead of him. . he loved skateboarding. and photography. hand while going to his mother's home, just 80 yards away, he was pulled away for a

supposed traffic violation, that resulted in him being beaten, and in the course of that, yelling out mama. and he ended up dying a few days later. yes, bad policing practices are happening in memphis, but the problem is too many of these incidents are happening all over america. now, this is something that all of us should be dealing with. bad policing should exist anywhere in america. this not republican issue, or democratic issue, this is about safety. all of us should want safety. and as a black man and as a father. i somehow responsibility to serve my constituents. i want them to come home safe. a parent wants a child who leaves to go to the park to come home at the end of the day. all of us want to be able to

live in our homes in peace. and if you are stopped at a traffic violation or not it should not result in you being beaten, and ultimately die. so we are working across legislative solutions and we have talked to the presidents around executive actions that he can take. and the administration can take. . >> the president say about that? >> we talk to the president twice today i did and first he's very committed to this issue. we asked him to make this issue of the culture of policing one of the issues that he addresses in his state of the union. because this is important enough for it to be a parts of his national address. we also are meeting with him later this week to talk about what additional actions he could possibly take. commend him for the actions he took last may. but we believe there is more that can be done huawei or

khanna bipartisan solution in congress. we also reached out and had a meeting with tim scott. tomorrow, but in the coming days, to talk about bipartisan solution in congress. it's going to take all of us. this is not a black issue, or white issue. this is about a safety issue in america. >> do you get a sense that there is an appetite for this to be -- oftentimes the word anecdote that relegate instances that anecdotal, or disparage the notion of the bad apple. when you speak about this not a very holistic way is there an appetite for republicans who are in power in the house to see that way. >> i have to remain optimistic, people have told us that we aren't quit a passive corporates gun safety bill. we pass the most comprehensive bill in nearly 30 years. the president was involved in that, we brought both sides together, we passed the

infrastructure bill, they totals we can do that. we must make our community safer. at all of us should agree that policing should exist anywhere in america. one of the reports that we had been shared with me is the fact that in memphis, for example, the use of force -- was used on black, both hunts, the nonwhite people memphis. they know that, we should know that about every law enforcement agency across america. that's about having the data to then make good decisions on a pattern of practices. subsidies, and law enforcement, agencies do this. others don't. asked by we have federal action as one example of a holistic plan. >> the idea of trying to get away with the patchwork of systems and trying to police the police department. confirm uniform standards is really an exercise and utility. there is some comprehensive legislation that is, in fact,

coming for -- like three optimism, exactly need to happen if we stop. and give up. that where would we be. >> american people are counting on us, and we're gonna work tirelessly across the aisle with all of our stakeholders. just one more thing, the american people have a stake in this. to call remember of congress, call your senator, reach out, about what you want to have done. lift up the family of tyre nichols, and every other family that's been affected. but all of us can do something to get rid of that bad policing in america. >> congressman, thank every time, i speak with you today. >> when we come back, the talk about 2020. four and why, according to one of my next guest, some democrats are worried about vice president kamala harris's political prospect. but that might mean for president joe biden reelection hopes. but at the end of ththe day, you know you have a team behind you that c can help you.

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through his term, any may decide to seek reelection. that's his intention. he said, repeatedly, which means there's talk about the president until. tickets a new article in the washington post says that some democrats, who are quite frankly, underwhelmed, by vice president kamala harris's tenure in the role. is that fair criticism or not? let's talk about it now at cnn political commentator -- carole finney, and kills wilson. white house reporter for the post who wrote this really compelling and thought-provoking piece as, well let me begin with you on this because you spoke with more than a dozen democratic leaders in key states and they seem to be worried about vice president kamala harris, why? >> yes, i really wanted to codify and cement things that we've been hearing in the rumor mill, right? and just talk to as many people as possible about strengths, weaknesses, we're really kamala

harris is at the moment. it's a complex argument, if we're being honest. folks know that if kamala harris is the nominee, is the person that there's going to, be all kinds of stuff that been throwing, out race, gender all of this stuff. and so, the question, is can kamala harris sort of overcome some of the stuff that will come her way if she is the nominee if she is running for president? and a lot of folks that i talk to just have worries and concerns about whether she be doing. that >> first of all, it seems, obviously that biden, in, fact will not run. and that should be the era, apparent for the vice president. are the concerns surrounding her portfolio? i mean she's been tasked with really spicing the adam at this point, relying on things that she's been tasked with. is that the concern? >> yes, a lot of the democrats that i talked to are like county sheriff, the folks who understand the arc of democratic policies. but, they also are dealing with people on the ground, right?

and their concerns with kamala harris really deals with the conversation with their neighbors, the people that they're going to go out and try to persuade to vote for her. it is not necessarily just the portfolio, as much as it is how is kamala harris and as a communicator. does she make mistakes, does she inspire people, does she have the charisma to sort of win the ticket for a lot of folks it is really a lot of cognitive dissonance. many of them have worked a very long time to see a black woman in this position, right? the big tent party, right? but, at the same time, they also want to win. and, that is the question. does harris have both the big tent aspect, but the winning ticket aspect. that's really all they're asking. >> well, listen i was asking a question about whether this could get a laugh. let me play for you what they had to say when they were doing a spoof on classified documents and whether the vice president had at it. >> next, special agent kacey

combs will discuss if there were any classified documents at vice president kamala harris's home. >> come on now. joe biden won't even give this woman a pen. you think she has classified documents? please, kamala harris with the classified documents. [laughter] >> i mean, you're laughing, what do you think of a john? >> well, because it's funny. that's mostly why was laughing. but, look, i think that reflects one side of the argument. there's a bunch of people out there who think that harris hasn't been given the opportunities to shine and to thrive and to succeed. when you hear, that a lot of the kind of stuff from harris while the president hasn't given a sudden up with those kind of things and there's a lot of people who are more inclined to agree with who think that she's been given a lot of opportunities. and she's just not that great a

politician. she came up in a state where she was good for california, good for winning and essentially, at one party state where she can work the democratic party very well. but there's a reason why her approval rating has been lower than biden threw out this presidency. and i think that there's also the fact that i think she think it's a very good thing. but the democratic party is getting out of the business. i wish the republican party would. getting out of the business of saying that we have to vote for someone who manifest our hopes, dreams and souls. and instead, tried to nominate people who can win elections. because that's what parties are for, then the aspirational candidate kind of thing, i get a little exhausted with. >> the party is maybe forever. but democracy -- >> trump, winning election, that doesn't mean they should've won the election. that wasn't a good decision. so it's not just about who can win, it's also about -- more importantly -- >> what does that have to do with anything i said? >> you said, it shouldn't be about manifesting hopes and

dreams, it should be whether or not you could win an election. >> yes, and i said that that's one of the reason they nominated donald trump. they've got they just wanted to fight. if they didn't care if he could do anything. >> anyway. i just feel like the story, obviously, i was close to the vice president, i have worked for women candidates for almost 30 years and a lot of what we're seeing here is just typical tropes and this narrative comes around, around and around and there was just an interview last week with the german writing a book about the biden administration, it may have been on your, so i can remember. and he talked about how he is the person with the president had informed ukraine about the impending russia was about to invade. but, more importantly, here is part of where i think the challenges. it's always hard when you are a historic first. and i do think that this administration, when they were campaign, could have done a better job of having more intentionality about understanding. for example, early on, that people wanted to see more of

her. because, they were excited. but the very job of being the vice president is your -- you're behind the scenes. you're the number two. you're in the supporting role. >> well, we did see a lot of vice president joe biden. >> we didn't go. when i asked people about, when he visited the triangle countries, not a single reporter that i talked to could remember that trip. >> maybe it wasn't supposed to be remembered. >> people remember the guests, they maybe remember some of the negotiations around in 2011 and my point is just that i would also say that i think we need to remember that this role was defined for a white man. and so by its very definition, a historic version that's going to look, different sound different, feel different and my experience has been that think, when you are, their intel house floor that they had to turn away 400 people in the rain. i don't know a democrat that could get 2000 people out in the rain. so, among the party in the big,

she is actually very popular and i know you spoke to some folks who have different opinions. what i think they also talked about is ng's idea about sexism and racism. and, you know, again i think part of what we have to understand is we have to see her for who she is. i'll give you an example. you know, early on, i had a conversation with reporters about how critical it was. she brought lived experience, lived experience -- with reproductive rights organizations. so many of the insider said, that, why does that matter look at where we are now that was a critical part of our victory in 2022. and, she spent a lot of time talking to black voters, women and young people which really are the -- of the party. >> did you reach out for comment? >> of course. no comment though from them. not on the record. >> i agree. i think that race, gender and equity always play a role in everything, i've been writing about kamala harris for two

years as vp and then in her campaign before that, but i do think that the democrats also have a question about competence, about christmas, about any number of things. i don't think that it's okay to take the strip away, race, gender, all those matters of equity. >> well, i do a lot of pulling and cheese typically pulls a very high among democrats. i mean she was really very typical. why? because she was able to help bring out the democratic party base. same thing in new york, when we were big trouble, who did they call it? kamala. there was a number of states -- >> they're looking for somebody who can win the white house. >> well, i'm saying that there's plenty of democrats who say something very different. >> well, i've talked to democrats across the board. i've talked to ones that were hard-core supporters, once from south carolina, the first to endorser georgia, and a woman who cried with joy when kamala harris was inaugurated. but i also talk to people who have been supporters of harris, but also have questions, not

about what they feel but about what their neighbors, think about people who would be voting in a general election. and that's what those -- where those fears are based. there is aspiration. and, rightly so, but there is also a desire to win. biden said on the campaign trail, over and over again, in order to govern, he also austin when. >> well, i'm going to tell, you this is going to be a conversation that will continue to have, but in breaking news, a woman of color in the limelight, definitely that appears, shocking. look, everyone, it's going to be a super bowl, out of proportions, two black quarterbacks facing off on the sport's biggest stage for the first time and it's not the white house. we'll be right back.

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the super bowl is set, everyone on february, 12 the kansas city chiefs will face off against the philadelphia eagles. the super bowl will be a big game for first. the first time two black quarterbacks ever face off against each other at the big game. and, also, the first time two brothers, jason and travis skills are playing against each other in the super bowl. imagine being their mom, -- super bowl 22 mvp doug williams is here with us. he's also the first black quarterback to start in and win a super bowl. also here with, a cnn contributor, carrie champion. i'm glad to have both of you here today, as we're reflecting on the history that is about to be made. i'll begin with you, doug, if i can. because you, yourself, made history.

in super bowl 22 and now we are here at 57 for the first time seeing two black quarterbacks against each other in the big game. what is your reaction and feeling about this moment? >> well, first of, all thank you for having me. you, know i can remember some 45 years ago this image in myself was the first two black quarterbacks playing in a regular nfl game, back when i was in tampa and he was in chicago. and, last night when i was sitting there watching patrick, i had already seen him when his game, sitting there watching him and so many excited -- came through, me and the emotions at that point. i got kind of emotional, to see that really have been. 35 years later, tomorrow, being 35 year anniversary to add to tomorrow. , and to see that happen last night was really gratifying to

me. you, know i know it might mean a lot to another people and the -- those kind of, guys, but seeing this happen today and knowing that we came a long way, we stop a long way to go. >> first of, all my father would beached thrilled i'm talking to. you, and thank you for mentioning a viking as well in your warm-up. we appreciate you for that moment right there. a quick follow-up to you on this point. it's not just that it's history being made by two black quarterbacks, they're also extremely two talented quarterbacks. i don't want that ever get lost in the conversation. what will you be looking for in this matchup? >> well, you know, both of them are so good at what they do. jalen, for instance, i watch jalen when he's in his early years, the first couple of years in alabama and watching him now and seeing how much he has done to make himself out of a quarterback. you, know i don't want people to say that he's an athletic

quarterback. yes, he can run. but he also can stand in the pocket and throw the ball and re-defense and run if he has to. he is not playing a position because he can run. he was playing because you could think and he could get the ball down the field. and, when you talk about patrick, i don't think anybody can say anything about patrick. but what he's done since he started quarterback is because nobody can play the way that he's played it and the toughness is there. so, when you have to guys like, that you have two of the best quarterbacks -- >> carry, i want to bring you in here as well. because it's something that doug just said about how they're thinking players as well. , until often, you and i both know the way that many talk about athletes in this country, especially in the sport of football that there is a lot of coded language that is used to talk about and describe. and i wonder if you could speak to the idea of, although you have so many black men in particular who really comprise

a majority of football players in the professional league, you don't often see many quarterbacks that are black, number one. and, number two, they're often described, as douglas alluded to, very differently as opposed to thinking, the electoral player described in terms of their physical stature and beyond and athleticism so to speak. speak to me about this historic nature, what we're seeing in the way it's being talked about. >> well, first off, it's an honor to be here and i want to underscore the importance of what he was able to do as a very first black quarterback to star and also win a super bowl. we honor you. i feel as though 2023 is far too late to us to say, guess what, we have two black starting quarterbacks in the super bowl. it is the narrative a black quarterbacks. it's old. it's tired. and quite frankly, we've seen over, and over again that the black quarterbacks have not

only been able to sustain the position and be more than serviceable but we can go down the list. we'll talk about michael big, we'll talk about it coming newton, there have been so many before these two young men now. what these two young men now, when we see what they're doing, as quarterbacks is more then historic. they are the generation. they are the next brady versus manning. they are the future of quarterbacks in the nfl. what i would like for us to really take away from this, though, laura, is looking at these black quarterbacks is far too discouraging for these headquarters that are not black to see these black quarterbacks in these positions. this is the conversation now that we need to have. to say, guess, what if we're looking at these black quarterbacks, starting in the super bowl, they have made their, weighs paid their dues, isn't it time for them to look for their head coaches? isn't it time have that conversation as we've been trying to have? as we continue to push the side?

i can tell you, right, now that their offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators who have helped these young men get to the point where they are right now. and, succeed at this level, right? that the ultimate, which is winning this game and getting to the game and they don't see a black quarterback on the sidelines. a black head coach, rather, on the sidelines. and i'm so grateful that we're having this moment where we're celebrating these two young kids, right? they're so young. 27 and 23. and they're winning at the highest level. and i know that there is a black head coach sitting somewhere, thinking, it's my turn to. and, so i'm glad that we're having this conversation. it is far to ridiculous in 2023 that we are celebrating two black quarterbacks when that should just be the norm. it shouldn't even be a conversation. >> i hear you carry. i hear you. quite well. and, i hope that doug lost his visual but hope he heard his

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priscilla pressley contesting the validity of her late daughter, lisa marie presley as well. division comes just days after pressley laid her daughter taurus at graceland. joining me now is cnn legal analyst, joey jackson, and the

red dot come founder editor and chief, sharon waxman. thank you both for being here. i want to begin with you, sharon, on. this what changes were made to elise murray presses will back in 2016 that priscilla is challenging? >> so, she's saying that the trustee has changed. it's challenging. the fact that an amendment was filed to make the trustee, riley, and her brother, benjamin who is no longer with us. and, that means, basically, that pressley is challenging her granddaughters visit -- validity to be the person who is now dealing with her mother's estate. i just say that, in these kinds of cases, when you have huge celebrities it is really not that unusual. that the family ends up in a big public dispute.

but, he saying that the signature doesn't look like -- just saying that she was not informed of this change to the trusteeship that she has. claiming that she wants to remain the trustee of that well. and so, there's going to be a lot of money at stake care. but, it really is putting a grandmother against a granddaughter. it's very unfortunate. >> very sad to think about, and, joey, the idea that sharon point out is that it's not unheard of to have disputes, typically and the idea of an estate. but, talk to me about what the next steps might be. and the idea that are these really problems that you have seen and what can be done in terms of trying to validate a well with issues that have been identified to be fatal to what comes next? sharon, listen, the reality is you know laura, it is about the abbott and all about the move. and if someone has a little, a will, of course is a document.

and if you want to mandate it is legally binding. and the event that there are certain formalities in place and our to do that. right, have to witness what you do. certainly there should not be a misspelling of the name and if it happens, certainly, to be your mom. and if someone could change to whatever they want, to your question, and to your point, is that is subject to an evidentiary hearing. and at that hearing, it would have to be established that it's not in the document. in the event that you have above you could put in place to do anything, and everything you want. it is up to you. it is your prerogative with respect to how you want to control your assets and how you leave them to. but formalities are not a place it is something to challenge. i have such a hearing there would be an opportunity to determine whether it's battle it or not. it was not valid, of course, it's contested as it is. then if declared invalid. it is a result of that, you can see the changes that are being made in the event it is deemed to be authentic. that they will then pursues as it is right now. and i think, regardless, if the

person's right to do it. the bottom line is to get it right, have it right and hopefully that hearing that we determined that it is right. so we will see what happens moving forward. >> joey jackson take us back to law school, professor, good call you that from now want. on this very notion, sharon, real quick, in the time we have left. i mean, look, i'm impressed. i don't ask you, sharon. really quick, the idea that this family, it particular, and the states were talking about, very significant. >> yeah, i mean, there are reports that there is millions of dollars. tens of millions of dollars in a life insurance policy. lisa marie gone to dispute with a business manager for years ago. and was suing him for squandering 100 million dollar estate that she had had from her father. so, there is money on the line here, we still don't know how much money, obviously. lisa marie and it is going to be messy. i just want to remind our viewers that it's a more than a decade to settle michael jackson's a states when he died.

and he died swimming in debt, of course if remember that story. and there was money they're headed ended up going to his mother, and to children, and to charities. but it took i, believe, 12 years for that to be the case. >> we will follow what happens here. thank you both i appreciate it so much. everyone, up next. another mystery of the dallas to. we'll explain next. because it stinks. ♪ tell me why ♪ i don't know i've washed it so many times. ♪ tell me why ♪ no you tell me why i can't get rid of this odor. ♪ have you tried new downy rinse and refresh. ♪ it doesn't just cover up odors, it helps remove them 3x better than detergent alone. guess the odor went bye bye. no, that's not us. sorry. rinse odor away with new downy rinse and refresh. to finally lose 80 pounds and keep it off with golo is amazing. i've been maintaining. the weight is gone d it's never coming back.

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wow, the dallas shoe that has been struck again, people. it's time, to entertainment monkeys are now facing. now, this officials say it is clear that their habitat has now been intentionally compromised.

and police say it looks like the animals were actually taken. now, the area around their habitat has been searched. and presently, there is no sign of the monkeys. if you recall, earlier this very month. the crowd leopard escaped after the fence, and her habitat was cut. now the leopard, and that's an area. was eventually found the zoo officials then discovered the monkey enclosure stanford with. but no monkeys escaped. then, and endanger lapid faced vulture was found dead in its own habitat. the zoo says it did not die of natural causes. what to bring in our wildlife biologists, jeff corwin, hope of wildlife nation. jeff, what is happening? we're talking about, now, a fourth animal that has been impacted and to now missing? what are you thinking? >> well, there is definitely a crime underway. and the great spectrum of

wildlife and our planet is paying the price. again, that was a, a world-class zoo. but they've been a major problem on their hand. i'm quite challenged, now that they know they have the challenge. with a losing these animals. with animals being killed, for example. dilapidated fulton. in this case, he's incredible charismatic little primates. you know, we think about money laura. you probably think of something big, like a spider monkey, or a chimpanzee like a knit. but these temperaments are really about this big, they're a tiny, very charismatic funky. they actually are named after the german emperor ville hum the second. with his big, long, prestigious mustache. this is a creature that falls prey to the black market wildlife trade. which is a 60 billion dollar a year industry. so, remember their conversation

that we are talking about -- could be stolen and sold the black market? this is a species that is an ideal candidate for that. >> just think about that i'm wondering, not only about being a candidate for that, but also holiday be surviving outside of the habitat? i would suspect that there is a lot of regulation in terms of their food, in terms of their enclosure, could the average person even who's charging to sell them on the black market they could be in danger and even trying to replicate that habitat. . >> i would say whoever this nefarious character is who put the cloud leopard in jeopardy, whose impact of those other very rare monkeys from southeast asia. who's likely killed the lapid vulture, this is like a very horrible version of animal clue who done it. but what this creature right here, my guess is that this nefarious character probably knows a little bit about

animals. this person is getting unusual access. this individual can get inside zoo, and is knowing how to negotiate, where to cut in. and it's almost like he's testing the waters. like someone who, you know, is committing that first fire and it goes back, watches the blaze. it is like there is a rail neurosis to this criminal. unfortunately, now these animals are disappearing. these very precious, precocious primates. my guess, they'll figure out how to take care of these animals. these little monkeys are probably more used to people had accustomed to their zoological keepers and handlers then, for example, the cloud operatives. >> thank you so much, and talking to you again. >> thank you very much. >> look, thank you for watching everyone. our coverage continues. with a one-second scan, i know my glucose numbers without fingersticicks.

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