more fall in the wake of the brutal beating by memphis police officers. like today, the city firebombed not-so-termination of three personnel. , tully, empties and lieutenant who drove them to the scene. also tonight, the police department revealed that a six, that a seventh officer had been, quote, relieved duty. as you know, i bet already been fired and charged with second degree murder. their specialized scorpion unit is now disbanded, and there could be more charges, and administrative changes to come. we talk about that snow to the local district attorney, also, our legal team on the potential difficulty of getting convictions center tennessee's murder statute. a lot enforcement experts weigh in on the effects, or lack of won the officers body cameras

had on their behavior. including one suspended officer who came on the scene shortly after miracles a loafer. this is part of his cameras recording, warning, this is graphic both in terms of what you see in what you hear. in a moment the district attorney who said today that quote we're looking at everybody in this case even, he said, people are just at the paperwork on it, shimon prokupecz with the breaking, news as well as a closer look at this now disbanded scorpion unit, and whether this other light throughout the country. >> yes of the fire department announced tonight that three empty, use a lieutenant to emts have been terminated fired after taking no action. tyre nichols, his body would stay on scene from us 20 minutes before a stretcher arrived, and as a result of the inaction by these empty, used to have now been fired. also today anderson, we're learning that a sixth and seventh police officer with the memphis police, department is now on leave, they are part of this investigation, as you mentioned, the sixth officer because that taser that he, used he's under investigation, and now a seventh officers

under investigation as well. memphis police department said that their investigation is still ongoing, but more personnel action can be taken. this comes as scrutiny over this unit, the scorpion unit -- and other units similar to the scorpion unit around the country. just warning some of the video you may see, you may find graphic. >> there is a record in coming for the police department and for the leadership. >> launched with fanfare in 2021, the memphis police department now defunct scorpion unit, is among the first major initiatives by new memphis police chief cj davis, only a few months on the job. >> too many families, to many mothers, to any father's have suffered in our city, and quite frankly, i think we are all tired of it. >> faced with rising murder, rates in a spike in violent

threats thefts. the street crimes operation to restore peace in our neighborhood, was a response. 40 officers who would patrol high crime areas, often in plain clothes, with a mandate to deliver arrests. >> the scorpion unit has had a total of 566 arrests 390 of -- once with banter in 2021 the memphis police department now defunct scorpion unit was among the first major initiatives by new memphis police chief, cj davis. only a few months on the job. --

>> the scorpion unit has had a total of 566 arrests 390 of them for felonies they have seized $103,000 in cash 270 vehicles, and to hundred 53 weapons. now after five member s of the unit work on a video and charged with murder in the violent beating of tyre nichols it's been disbanded. specialized units have existed in both of -- and generating pr opportunities for politicians, you're to appear tough on crime. >> i'm glad to hear that ian's been disbanded, i think we should probably be's taking a serious look at these specialized units, both in memphis and around the country. >> this kind of so-called elite police squad is not a new idea. >> so, some cities are taking

on drug dealers with urban commando teams, with intimidating names like crash, dart, tnt, and in atlanta, red dog. >> show me your hands, get on your knees. >> atlanta's red dog unit started in the 1980s, officers went to high-risk raids, and patrolled public housing. it is politically popular, but was disbanded in 2011 after years of complaints over its tactics. in 2021, facing a new spike in crime, atlanta pd launched his latest specialize titan unit. >> we believe that the hally had to be more aggressive as it relates to what's refunds roughly gantz. but there is no way to replace and what red dragons. >> in new york, then ypg street crime unit was launched in the 1970s, -- -- so in a fit the description of a man wanted for rape. the officers who shot the ella -- at a federal investigation uncovered racial profiling. >> i've told my heart, have to let them know that this is a club we wish we never had to welcome them, and this is a

club no families want to be part of. >> for philadelphia to baltimore, and indianapolis -- that delivers an increase in arrests. then comes scandal or tragedy. >> they said the department of justice, it might go to memphis and look at the scorpion unit. >> so the civil rights union is looking at the shooting overall, but then they can bring in doj personnel to look at the practices and patterns of this unit, and it's really something that can happen here, anderson, i was there for the weekend over the weekend. so many people would come up to us and talk to us about this unit and the problems they're having with the police. so it is likely this is something that the doj's gonna look at as can -- -- >> i've told my heart, have to let them know that this is a club we wish we never had to welcome them, and this is a club no families want to be part of. >> for philadelphia to

baltimore, and indianapolis -- that delivers an increase in arrests. then comes scandal or tragedy. >> they said the department of justice, it might go to memphis and look at the scorpion unit. >> so the civil rights union is looking at the shooting overall, but then they can bring in doj personnel to look at the practices and patterns of this unit, and it's really something that can happen here, anderson, i was there for the weekend over the weekend. so many people would come up to us and talk to us about this unit and the problems they're having with the police. so it is likely this is something that the doj's gonna look at as can be significant. >> stephen mulroy is a district attorney for shelby county, -- he joins us now, appreciate you being with us. we've learned a few members of the memphis fire department have been terminated after internal investigation found a,, quote violated numerous procedures in protocols. should the committee expect to see charges for those individuals? >> well, anderson, because we have an ongoing investigation.

and we are in fact looking at everybody, we are looking at the officer who's on the first scene, they're not go to the second scene, we're looking at fire department personnel who arrived afterwards, but looking at people -- three weeks is a short time to do any sort of investigation on charges, and for these more indirect persons i think it's gonna take a little bit longer. >> that's obvious attitude issue memphis police department employees who are relieved to duty, and i can say whether expect a charge from just that there is an ongoing investigation. but how influential has the body cameras been in your decision-making process? >> >> for an independent investigation whether officers should be charged, i asked my newly created justice review unit, which was originally designed to see whether we had brought some wrongful convictions, or wrongful sentences. let's take a look at this as well, and they're designed to be independent objective, they don't work with law enforcement, they don't work with rest my, staff they report directly in only to me, in fact they are physically separated. i kind of objectivity is halderson

deciding whether charges should be brought against officers involved in this, and another officer involved fatalities. >> we are out of this and shamar prokupecz is -- abuse creates abuse. do you agree with that? do you think there's an inherent problem especially as units like this? >> so, anderson, maybe a little bit of awesome no here. there is nothing wrong with hot spot policing, as they call it, by taking a look at the geographic data, identify those areas of the town where there seems to be a spike in crime, and then deploying police accordingly. but sometimes a specialized -- both aquatic emitted off the video from the health and they say that a game we had remarkably good quality footage in this case. more so than most cases but that's not all that we're

looking at. when. emphasized that the process was pretty thorough even though we acted quickly. we brought in, immediately, the tenth seed bureau for an independent investigation. . when it came time to make the recommendations as to what the officer should be charged, i asked my newly created justice review unit which was richmond designed to see whether we had brought some ruffle convictions or offenses. sentences. let's take a look at this as well, and they're designed to be independent objective, they don't work with law enforcement, they don't work with rest my, staff they report directly in only to me, in fact they are physically separated. i kind of objectivity is halderson deciding whether charges should be brought against officers involved in this, and another officer involved fatalities. >> we are out of this and shamar prokupecz is -- abuse creates abuse. do you agree with that? do you think there's an inherent problem especially as units like this? >> so, anderson, maybe a little bit of awesome no here. there is nothing wrong with hot spot policing, as they call it, by

taking a look at the geographic data, identify those areas of the town where there seems to be a spike in crime, and then deploying police accordingly. but sometimes a specialized units to do that kind of hot spot policing, they develop their own excreted core, and it leads to a culture that is maybe a hyper aggressive. we've seen this with the scorpion unit, and we've seen it with other units across the country. so i wouldn't go far so far as to say that all specialized units are inherently bad, i do think there's a way to do hot spot policing without having these elite specialized units, and that all such units should be met with careful supervision and very careful training to overcome the very natural temptation for them to feed off on each other and become overaggressive. >> isn't that about leadership, though? isn't it about

oversight and leadership? obviously want people to have enough's excreted core, being involved in what they're doing obviously, you don't the negative aspects of how that can be in that sort of hyper violent way. >> that's true, i think it does require leadership, and does require supervision. we have a relatively new police chief who's been on the job for a year and a half i think she acknowledges that there needs to be a review of these specialized units it is to be a review of the type of training and crucially supervision of these units that occurs and i'm hopeful that that kind of reevaluation will not just be limited to memphis building nationwide. >> there's been a lot of emphasis on the speed, the investigation, subsequent charges via investigation. i'm confident in jerry will deliver convictions on the charges? so injuries have described that the second-degree must have been reasonably certain that their actions would lead to death. >> yes, that is true, that is a definition knowingly which is necessary in tennessee we did a very thorough -- and we are a

country with the charges we, brought we're confident will be able to bring every one of those to a, jury beyond a reasonable doubt. i'm also hopeful that the analysis doesn't end with this particular case, but at least to a broader conversation about the need for police reform on around the country. >> district attorney, mulroy appreciate your time, thank you. >> more now on the job the prosecutors will have been making murder charges stick, and the message shovels sent to police to rise beyond memphis. joining us is val demings who served in the orlando police force 1983, until his retirement of chief at the department 20 levin. also with us, former deputy assistant attorney general elie williams. elliott, i want to get your reaction to what they said with the second degree murder charge, how difficult would be to prove these officers reasonably knew their actions would lead to mr.

nichols death? >> anderson, look, let's start from the principle -- i think that's kind of speed, here the question is under tennessee law, everyone misses knowing killing, and then as the district attorney they officers would be reasonably certain that the actions would've led to a death. -- norm is the police department, number two, and trauma to the body. it's ultimately going to be the opinions of various doctors, i want to be clear, it's a homicide. it's a killing of the individual, that doesn't mean it -- it's less likely that the

development of training and back onto the officers. given your nearly three decades in law enforcement, show those officers of know that repeated blows to the head of the body could be fatal, and their treatment of him could be fatal? >> anderson, let me just say this, this is a horrific, horrible time, for a law enforcement, our beloved profession is in trouble, and what i do know in orlando, florida, we had an internal policy, that any strikes above the shoulders were prohibited, for that very purpose, because they would likely cause great bodily harm or death. and i would guess the most police departments, the overwhelming majority of departments, have the same policy. so i believe the officers knew, where they should have known, that punching tyre in the face, or

kicking him in the face, could cause death or great bodily harm. i think the evidence is overwhelming. what does that say to you now about culpability, and how this investigation might, obviously the district attorney we just talked to says they're looking at everyone. >> i think the culpability isn't limited to just, let's say, the active homicide, if you want to call that. it's the 22 or 23 minutes anderson in which he is not receiving care knowing's receiving cpr in the ambulance doesn't show up and so on. that's not the best gross negligence in the party officers. i'm sure the prosecutors right now are looking into whether they can charge someone for that failure to render care. and even if they can't, another thing i'm certain of is that the justice department here in washingto n

is looking into whether they can bring a federal civil rights charge against any of those paramedics, emts, or officers, for the pillar to render care, which is itself seen as a violation of federal civil or isla. there's a few different options, even if tennessee can't process. >> congressman, l.a. brings up a point of all that time where they spend just standing there not doing anything. as somebody who spent so much time in law enforcement have never seen anything like that aspect? just anybody look at a person laying on the ground knows a person is in trouble. of course, i'll write very closely with our emts, with our fire department, and i can say in almost 30 years on the street, i have family members where firefighters, -- i never seen anything like that my, understanding is the information there are given that this is a persuade call. it's obvious that there was certainly more than a pepper spray, looking at the condition

of mr. nichols. iran understand, i'm sure there is to get some of us all understand why they did not access the condition of tyre, and render the necessary aid. there's a lot of unanswered questions, and we've got to have them answered. >> well demings, appreciate time tonight, elie williams as well. and more in police body cams, the fact they might have on the formal trials to come, and why the cameras did not seem to stop these officers from doing what the video shows they did, to law enforcement -- >> well demings, appreciate time tonight, elie williams as well. and more in police body cams, the fact they might have on the formal trials to come, and why the cameras did not seem to stop these officers from doing what the video shows they did, to law enforcement experts join us. and collins with more breaking news, those new grand jury testimony and

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improving professionalism in policing, also cnn chief law enforcement analyst, john miller, with the nypd. john, first of all what's your reaction to the firefighters, getting fired, two other officers been put on, leave including one of them who said i hope they stop possess. what is that offices liability serious criminal charges. not for the rest of these peoples are gonna be looked at for criminal charges. this is the ministry of portion, the firefighters are standing, by one summer was seriously injured, and clearly, so not rendering aid. and the officer who fired the taser, the comment, entirely inappropriate and yet very telling in this contest. unprofessional, and outside the rules. >> chuck, who determines on the scene whether any emt approaches a suspect. do you, firefighters emts defer to police officers. >> i think they need to make sure the scene is safe, and then they stand back until they know they can go in. -- we

developed the guidelines for him for the justice department and when we worked with law enforcement on them nobody wanted body cameras. the police -- >> chuck, who determines on the scene whether any emt approaches a suspect. do you, firefighters emts defer to police officers. >> i think they need to make sure the scene is safe, and then they stand back until they know they can go in. -- we developed the guidelines for him for the justice department and when we worked with law enforcement on them nobody wanted body cameras. the police were very opposed to them, and then the police realized that they can be beneficial. so striking in this case, is that when i first heard about it, i assume that the officers weren't wearing body worn

cameras. i've seen there in, plainclothes -- so how they could exhibit's behavior with body one cameras is really astonishing. >> how is it possible, is it just his hands there in a specialized unit, they're tough guys on the block, i just want to their heads. i don't understand the logic of in. i don't either, when we first gave cops body worn cameras the assumption was they would change your behavior. they would act differently. i think some cases that is, but in this case is just absolutely astonishing that these officers could act this way. i think they actually forgot that they were wearing them, and maybe at the very end something bonded

them that, we've done something bad. >> john, how do you see with body cameras? when you listen to it, the sheer volume of officers yelling different instructions and this person, i don't know how anybody can comply with all those. >> well, one of the things -- we went through all of this in new york. and one of the things we did was, 70 training course, and in the training course was, de-escalation, they're not de-escalating. team tactics, they're not functioning as a team, they're all yelling something else. minimum force techniques, they're actually going up and started down. so i think a lot of police departments, memphis included, will be looking at if we cannot specialized units out there, new citywide authority, focus on crime and acting independently, the training has to go way out. but on the body worn camera tissue, they start off with the cameras rolling because they think they are

doing the right thing. as they lose track of doing the right thing, i'm not sure that they came to that realization, and the cameras of an interesting, because they've caused complaints and police to go down, because a person who might make something up, knows there is recording. on the other, hand that's caused a lot of complaints against police to be substantiated. because when the person goes forward with it, despite the fact the notes on tape, usually the tape tells the truth. >> chuck, the police department in memphis has been praised crowd quickly there responded to this. some are now pointing out that as a police department the mayor's office created the sorkin unit, that they belong to in the first place. do you think elite units like the scorpion unit, are they in here and leave the problem, so they played important role. >> in the past two, year you had a series of events, who had the george floyd murder, you had the pandemic and then

you've had a spike in violent crime. particularly homicides and shootings. i think they've got the lessons, amadou diallo, a number of cases like this. we are specialized units, sort of are in poland by the department, by the mayor, you've got to do something. there are specific things you can, to supervision is key. what was astonishing was, there is no supervisor on scene there. we have almost ten different people, coming so strict supervision, you could be reviewing body worn camera videos. every specialized unit in our country to take a random set of body worn camera videos from those units, and see other dealers citizen. and in strict policies and so forth. i think if you have violent crime, someone has to deal with, it but you just have to make sure that their focus, targeted, and well supervised. >> i quite, slumped on miller, coming up next -- who's been talking about the mar-a-lago classified documents coming up. more breaking, news to more witnesses for the federal grand jury investigating the former president. specifically the mar-a-lago documents. there is that, tonight plus new

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mar-a-lago documents. there is that, tonight plus new reporting that the manhattan grand jury's began here evidence in the alleged hush money, case related to stormy daniels. all that as he hits the campaign into early voting states, we know learn more about the kind of campaigning must conduct. campaign that former insiders have declined to join. cnn's kaitlan collins, this and on the corner joins us now. let's talk with the new recording you haven't put the mar-a-lago documents. >> yeah, so remember last, follow this was months after the fbi executed that search warrant in mar-a-lago, and tickle those documents. trump actually hard to believe goes which other documents of his to find more classified documents, they found two more in the storage facility. it was these two -- they went before the grand jury last week and testified, separately at least four or three hours were told, and testified about these documents. -- when the brain

knew associations in if they are covered by a law firm would they be -- by the custodian of trump's, records has become a big part of this. gsa is what helps facilitate that memo move. we asked about, that is when the surge actually, happens whether that could potentially happen. when trump's legal or it did not think that that will be the, case we'll see if that ever becomes an issue that they would need that, but it's notable that they went and spoke before the grand jury because it also comes as we're told prosecutors are pushing to look at files on a laptop of one staffer down in mar-a-lago around trump, to say there's economic paper trail talking with these documents prosecutors are pushing for that, but there's been these defense attorneys over what these look like what those efforts look like and what we are told, my colleague and i is that essentially the special counsel's office has been unwilling to negotiate to get extensions for subpoenas and airlines, things of that

nature. >> audi the former president is kind of started his campaigning he's left mar-a-lago for a bit he's got multiple criminal investigations run in round him is attempting to get new campaigns on of the ground, do you think the classified documents case is weighing on voters minds do you think this will impact things for him. >> we are still two years out from -- my is an office and whether he could fend off all kinds of investigation, and be former president. the thing is that the this issue is really showing, it can really undercut the talking point that some republicans might have about president biden. especially

after mike pence found documents. instead of a very easy when talking point to say, look, biden didn't two enough none of this matters again it's sort of having this grand jury investigation having people testify is gonna underscore the real issue for trump. which is the threat of obstruction and the fighting off -- as where is getting in trouble, not just having. now interesting, the president said this campaign will be about the future, how likely do you think that is gonna last. >> it's now to me but his own advisers hasn't really started, we don't think. because they've been urging him to stop talking about the 2020 election, to move, on to have something to focus, on because i think that's the only way he'll do well, and what's expected to be a pretty big republican field, as i do is noting there. it has materialized in. >> a lot of that is because he's not really, receptive based on people who have spoken with him, it's, autumn and had

these conversations with, them -- he thinks his new message is good enough has it, is so it's kind of been an issue with his campaign. -- still real questions about whether or not they're gonna be focused on the future. it's expecting staffing on the campaign and there's a lot of people have been hired to join the campaign and given these prominent positions and they said they're not inches or this time. >> in new hampshire, kyrsten sinema said she thought the former president speech like the fire and enjoy the 2016 campaign. do you think voters want to calmer more on message -- compared to the substance of what he's saying. >> there's been an argument that above the certain threshold of support there are some people who support the former president but quote on quote don't like his style were not like his communication don't like his use of social media and twitter. and maybe that's the kind of voter -- i do know that having covered new

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convicts, and reports that those who have refused to fighter tempted escape, were executed is warning to others. when wagner -- it was sent back to russia as part of a prisoner exchange and was then execute on camera with the sledgehammer. a young man named andrzej medvedev, claiming to have defected from the wagner group, has crossed into norway, it has just been released to be interviewed by norwegian officials. he's hoping to receive a sound. there, andrea north, and spent four years in prison in russia, for robbery before joining the wagner group, we should note his service and volunteer was confirmed by his leader, prigozhin, i spoke to andrea medvedev before your time. >> if you could just talk a little bit about what it was like, on the battlefield, with the prisoners. how are the used? what are today's tactics? what was alike? >> we weren't receiving any tactical plans, we just got a command to capture the position of the enemy, and virus else had to come up with a step by step plan of how to fill it. it's our problem to ensure that a command is filled.

>> you have said in the past that you saw, wagner troops getting executed, for disobeying orders, is that accurate? >> such cases happen very often there, there is a question of how to persuade new recruits, who arrived at the frontlines, and saw what was going on there, and decided they don't want to fight, to still go ahead and fight. they would round up those who would not want to, fight and shoot them in front of the newcomers to develop their self preservation instinct. >> why did you decide to leave the wagner group? >> i plan to leave wagner for a while, but it didn't have the opportunity. i was afraid to be kept traditional as a traitor, recreation interaction, where else want to live. by the end i

>> there have been, allegations in reports, that the execution of civilians, people being shot, just walking down the street, of abuse of civilians, did you witness any of that. a spot where you crossed, over what he said you have governed, norway beset is very heavily guarded on the border, and some -- >> you escaped into norway. and a spot where you crossed over, you said you cross over to no it, it's heavily guarded on the russian border. and some people have raised questions. about how you're even even able to get to the, border because it's so heavily -- there's so many checkpoints in the way there. why crossed and that place, there where it's so heavily guarded.

>> i would say that the border where a cross is not so much as protected as the border with finland. but in this, case i'm honestly very grateful for the training i received the ministry russian defense where i retrieved military service. and i'm glad i put it to use. >> did you have help getting across, because aren't there many checkpoints even get close to the border? >> i was helped by workers of human rights groups to moscow not just elsewhere. i was approached by a man at the border, i was held -- i can't disclose my identity for his safety. the passport help me get closer to the border. >> why have you agreed to talk?

what message do you want people to know about wagner, about your experience? >> my idea was to tell the people what was happening there. and my mates who died there died under orders. my aim is that the people who are guilty of these crimes should be brought to justice. >> and when you say the people that are guilty, pretty, mean and what are they guilty of? >> you know, i would like to take this opportunity of stating publicly, maybe other folk of other views about, this at the first culture it is prigozhin, because he is a top leader. >> prigozhin runs the wagner group, he's in charge? >> yes, him, absolutely. the whole coordinating wagner lot. everybody knows. >> does that include vladimir putin? >> everybody knows that what is happening there is his decision

of course. >> just finally andre, you've lost a lot of as you said mates in the fighting, what should their mothers know? what should families know about what happened to them? >> they were great people. great because they were real human beings and i can assure you that many were sober judges of what was happening out there. they were just people, normal folk. and that applied to the other side as well. i had to say the bravery of the ukrainian forces to. >> on the, way appreciate time, thank you. >> thank you. up next, the latest from day six of the alec murdoch double murder trial. a. defense pausing a possible new theory of his murders of the wife and son. our randi kaye has the details next.

>> new details tonight in the double murder trial of alec murdoch. accused of killing his wife and son to cover up his financial crimes. today marks day six of the trial as prosecutors played interviews murdoch did with investigators in the days after the killings. plus, murdochs to fence today floating a new theory that

could have been two shooters involved in the attack. randi kaye was watching the trial today. here is her report. >> you're good. >> she was a wonderful girl. a wonderful wife. and a great mother. >> unemotional alex murdoch. in his second interview with investigators following the murders of his wife and son. first he cries about his wife maggie murdoch. and then at one point says this about his youngest son paul. >> it's just so bad, so bad. >> the interview took place on june 10th, 2021. three days after the murders. investigators asked to walk through what he did that day. alex said that he left work early and he and paul went target shooting on their hunting property. >> a 22, magnum.

the 22 magnum the used was not one of the weapons used in the murder. maggie was shot with a rifle. paul was killed with a shaka. i also told investigators that he was not at the candles earlier in the night. >> i know that you went to the candles. i don't know exactly where paul went. but he left. >> what did you do once maggie and paul left? >> i stayed in the house. keep in, mind alex murdoch's heard on recording on his son's paul's phone. i was recorded at the candles. he told investigators twice now, in separate interviews, that he did not go to the candles until he found their bodies. earlier, his defense attorney floated the idea that two guns could mean to shooters. >> is a possibility that there are two shooters? based on the data you've collected? >> but prosecutors were quick to point out, one person could have used two guns.

another witness for the state, special agent jeffrey croft testified about this video. for the first time, it shows investigators the day after the murders, searching parts of the murdoch home. including this gun room. outside, they found spent shell casings. >> there's two right there. it. yeah, later, special agent croft walked the jury through a series of missed calls and text messages to paul murdoch's phone. the night of the murders. >> can you tell the jury the times, starting at the bottom that he is trying to call paul murdoch, without an answer? >> at 9:29 pm there is a one second outgoing call. at 9:42 pm, there is a one second outgoing call and at 9:57 pm, there is a four second outgoing call. >> when they call, or a friend, could not reach paul.

the special agent said that he texted maggie murdoch. what does he say? >> tell paul to call me, neither paul nor maggie ever responded. >> randi kaye joins us now live. does the evidence show that maggie and paul murdoch were dead by the time that person was trying to reach them by text? >> well anderson, if you look at the evidence prosecutors say that the murders took place between 8:30 pm and 10:06 pm. we know that they were alive at 8:45 pm because there is the video which has audio on paul murdoch's cell phone that shows and you can hear alec talking to his wife and son on that video. and then, prosecutors are now saying that by 8:49, paul's phone goes silent, never to be used again. by 8:54, prosecutors say that megaphone goes silent number to be used again. we know from prosecutors and testimony that alex murdoch left the property at 9:06 pm and then he says he returned to find his family bleeding.

and called 9-1-1 at 10:07 pm. so that is the timeline. so it does seem that both of them were dead at the time. of the activity on the phone. but we do need more evidence in testimony in court to know for sure. >> randi kaye, appreciate it. some sad news to report, actress sydney williams has died. some of the hit sitcom in the 1970s and 1980s, the spin off of happy days. she was 75. williams died this past wednesday after a brief illness. her children zak and and we said in a statement that she was one-of-a-kind and went on to say that she possessed a brilliant sense of humor and spirit that everybody loved. williams played the character of shirley, opposite of many marshall. marshall passed weigh in 2018 also at the age of 75. the iconic show was centered around two young single women working in a milwaukee brewery. starting every episode with an infectious team, making our dreams come true. we will be right back. started flying,

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