beating of tyre nichols. the memphis fire department firing three employees, they e.u. saying the medics and driver failed to properly assess nichols when they arrived on the scene, coming as officials confirm that two more memphis police officers were also relieved of duty, that's the phrase they've used. on top of the five other officers who were fired and charged with second degree murder among other crimes into nichols death, we'll bring in the form he have head of intelligence for the dc home land security me, i'll begin with you, den nel because there's a new york times analysis i was particularly interested in it found that the

officers in this encounter shouted at least 71 commands. 71 commands, in approximately a 13-minute period. i want to play a clip frankly from that initial stop for a moment. listen to this. >> i didn't do anything. turn your ass around >> don't do that. ok? get on the fing ground. "i'll tase your ass. i'm on the ground. >> i'll tase you. get off the ground. >>. just hearing this yet again, frankly, it is anxiety producings at the the least. and i wonder about this the screaming, the confusion that must have ensued the disorienting nature, how disorienting to receive the com

the initial stop. >> know what he was getting pulled over for, i went to the police academy we were trained not to do that. i'll let law enforcement analyst get to the nuts and bolts when you go to the police academy they struck you to have one individual interacting with that -- with that person, she don't that you don't have those conflicting type of commands, because people know what to do and the more it escalates, the more yelling there is, the more confused the individual gets. that's exactly what you saw there, and later on, it gets even worse. >> really does. and bring it captain johnson now only first of all, the confusion, but how come compared

to the officers tyre nichols was? he was the one in that video we just played who appeared to be trying to use some kind of deescalation tactics, the cooler head attempting to prevail. i wonder what should the officers have done besides none of this? what should the officers should have done what would have been the appropriate training. >> they were a unit, one person should have been defending anatomied to give the commands, several commands there and you're right, so many, there's no way you could perform them all of the tone of the escalating when you have units like that, you hear get on the ground, lay on the ground, put hand behind your back and you hear the tone so the tone set up a lot of confusion and you're right. tyre was trying to deescalate it in many ways throughout the

encounter. >> and by the way on that point, we talk about a contradictory commands, we see throughout the video throughout the time that he is being told to show me your hands, show me your hands, yet there's no actual possible that when both hands are yet, there is no actual possibility that when both hands are restrained by differentable to give his hands or show his hands, not to mention that he was physically injured at that point. the idea of contrary commands, did t point, he was intended to just be sucker punched and harming t of control. they were not using their training and they were just intent on being aggressive and overpowering deadly shooting ths

a silent party on the scene who's actions typically go unnoticed, the rescue and medical responders who failed to treat these victims properly. you say you think that the memphis fire department and those responding should also face criminal charges, tell me why. >> absolutely just because you're not landing blows or

kicking doesn't mean that you're not responsible. these individuals have what we call a duty to act. and they breached that duty. you don't have to have are a trained eye, you don't need to be 25 your paramedic like i was to see that. these individuals are milling around the scene, not doing anything, and the first rule of medicine is to do no harm. really, i think in my personal opinion, my professional opinion, it speaks to an environment, perhaps a culture in the streets of memphis for emergency responders where this is the norm accepted. i have worked in a lot of departments and i would be aghast at seeing this and no one is stopping it, and so i called these -- these people are silent perpetrators. they are not committing the act of violence but they are committing passive violence and we really need to understand the dynamics behind that, and why that was so pervasive, that so many people are getting

essentially laid off for not doing anything when they should've done something. >> so important, thank you for your time and insight, both of you, on this very important part. it was tyre nichols whose hands were restrained, not those whose job it was to at least even perform a cursory inspection of what happened. i want to turn out to democratic congressman stephen horse., the chairman of the congressional caucus here with us this evening. chairman, thank you for being here. it is difficult to watch this happen. we go from never again to once again, and in that space and in that vein, legislation possibly could and fill that gap. i do wonder what your reaction is and what could be done at the legislative level to go from once again back to never again. >> first, thank you for having me on behalf of the congressional black caucus. we are committed to doing

everything we possibly can, working across party lines with the president, with our community, and the families to uplift their voice. i spoke to tyre nichols's father and mother by phone on sunday to hear directly from them to express our condolences on behalf of the congressional black caucus and to ask them what do they want and what they told me what they wanted first was to remind people what tyre nichols was. he was a son, he was a father, he had purpose and passion and the life ahead of him. he loved skateboarding and photography. and while going to his mother's home, just 80 yards away, he was pulled away for a supposed

traffic violation that resulted in him being beaten and in the course of that, yelling out mama , and he ended up dying a few days later. yes, bad policing practices are happening in memphis, but the problem is too many of these incidents are happening all over america. now, this is something that all of us should be able to agree. bad policing should not exist anywhere in america. this is not a republican issue or a democratic issue. this is about safety. all of us should want safety, and as a black man, as a father, as someone who has responsibility to serve my constituents, i want them to come home safe. a parent wants a child who leaves to go to the park to come home at the end of the day. all of us want to be able to live in our homes in peace. and, if you are stopped at a

traffic violation or not, it should not result in you being beaten and ultimately die, and so die, and so we are working across legislative solutions, talked to the president around executive actions he can take and the administration can take >> whatpresident say about that? >> i talked to the president twice today. he is very committed to this issue. he asked culture of policing one of the issues that he addresses in his state of the union because this is important enough for it to be a part of his national address. we also are meeting with him later this week to talk about what additional actions he can possibly take commend him for the actions he did last may, but we believe there's more that can be done. while we workis

more that can be done while we work on a bipartisan solution in congress. we also reached out and have a meeting with senator tim scott tomorrow and in the coming days to talk about a bipartisan solution in congress. it is going to take all of us. this is not a black issue or a white issue. this is about a safety issue in america. >> do you get a sense there is an appetite for this to be a bipartisan endeavor as well? often time people will relegate instances like this, oh, this is anecdotal and disparage the notion of the bad apple conversations but you think about this in a very holistic way, is there an appetite for republicans who are in power in the house to see it that way? >> i have to remain optimistic. people told us we were not going to pass a comprehensive gun safety bill. we pass the most comprehensive bill in nearly 30 years. the president was involved in that. we brought both sides together. we passed the infrastructure bill. they told us we could not do that.

we must make our communities safer, and all of us should agree, bad policing should not exist anywhere in america. one of the other reports that had been shared with me is the fact that in memphis, for example, the use of force is used three times more often on black people, on black residents than nonwhite people in memphis. they know that. we should know that about every law enforcement agency across america. that is about having the data to make good decisions on pattern of practices. some cities and law enforcement agencies do this, others don't. that is why we need federal action is one example of a holistic action plan. >> the example of trying to do away with a patchwork of systems, a patchwork of police departments in helping for uniform standard is really an exercise in futility so i hope

there is some comprehensive legislation that is in fact coming. thank you for your optimism. it is exactly what we need to have. if we stop and give up, where will we be? >> i will just say one more thing. the american people have a stake in this, too. collier senator, reach out about what you want to have done. lift up the family of tyree nichols and all of us can do something to get rid of bad policing in america. >> congressman, thank you for your time. nice speaking with you today. when we come back, we're going to talk about 2024 and why, when i talked to one of our nest guess, some people are worried about vice president kamala harris' political prospects and what that mean for president biden's re- election hopes.

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through term and appears he may decide to seek reelection his intention, he said repeatedly which means there's talk about the presidential ticket a new article in the "washington post" quotes some democrats quite frankly under overwhelmed by vice president kamala harris tenure in the role is that fair criticism or not? let's talk now with political commentators. white house reporter for the postpone, who wrote this really compelling and thought provoking piece as well and begin with you only, because you spoke to more than a dozen democratic leaders in key states. and they seem to be worried about vice president kamala harris, why? >> i really wanted to codify and cement things that we've been hearing in the rumor mill and grist and talk to as many as possible about strengths, weaknesses about where kamala harris is at this moment. it's a complex argument, if we're being honest, folks know

that if kamala harris is you know, is the nominee, is the person, all kinds of stuff, race, gender all of this stuff, the question is, can kamala harris sort of overcome all of the stuff that will you know, come her way if she's the nominee, if she's running for president. a lot of folks i talked to have worries, concerns about whether she can do that. >> first of all, seems obviously that biden, in fact, will not run and she would be apparent as the vice president, are there concerns surrounding her portfolio? shows been tasked with spicing the adam at this pointer. is that the concern >> a lot of democrats i talk to are like county chairs the folks who understand the arc of democratic policies but dealing with people on the ground and their concerns with kamala harris deal with their conversations with neighbors, people they'll go out and try to

persuade to vote for her, it's not necessarily just the portfolio as much as it is how a kamala harris as a communicator, she gap prone? does she make mistakes? does she inspire people, the caress a.m. to sort of win ticket? a lot of folks have work add long time to see a black woman in this position the big tent party, but at the same time, they also want to win, and that's the question, does -- does harris have both the big tent aspect but also the winning ticket aspect? that's really all they're asking. >> snl was asking a question about whether this could get a laugh let me play for you what they had to say when they were doing a little spoof on classified documents and whether the vice president had any.

>> next casey combs will discuss if there were classified documents at vice president kamala harris home. >> come on know, joe biden won't even give this woman a pen, do you think she has classified documents? please, kamala harris with classified documents. what do you think of it >> it's funny. but it's mostly why i was laughing. but look, i think that reflects one side of the argument, there's a bunch of people out there who think harris hasn't been given opportunities to shine and thrive and succeed. when you hear about a lot of that kind of stuff from harris world but the president hasn't set her up to succeed, and there's a lot of people, i'm more cliented to agree with she's been given a lot and she's not that great a politician, she came up in a state where she was good for california, good for winning and essentially a

one-part state where she could work the democratic party well but there's a reason why her approval ratings are lower than biden's throughout the presidency and there's also the fact. i believe she thinks it's a good thing that the democratic party is getting out of the business, i wish the republican party would, of getting out of business of saying we have to vote for someone to, you know, manifest our hopes and dreams and our souls instead try to nominate people who can win elections, that's what parties are for, and the aspiration al candidate i get exhausted with >> trump can win elections doesn't mean he should have been president, that wasn't a good decision, it's not just about who can win, more importantly. >> what does that to do with anything i said. >> you said it shouldn't be about manifest to go hopes and dreams about whether or not winning an election. >> one of the reasons they

nominated donald trump they wanted a fighter didn't care if they could do anything. >> this story, obviously, i am close to the vice president, i amv worked for women candidates for almost 30 years, a lot of what we're seeing here are typical tropes, and this narrative comes around and around, there was a gentlemen last week about a writing about the biden administration and he talked about she's the person who the president had informed ukraine about the impending, the russia was about to invade, more importantly, here's part of where i think the challenge is it's always heart when you're historic first and i do think this administration when they were a campaign could have done a better job of having more intentionality about understanding, for example, early on, that people wanted to see more of her, they were excited. but the very job of being the

vice president is you're not seeing, you're behind the scene, number two, the supporting role. >> we did see a lot of vice president joe biden. >> we didn't, when i ask people for example when he he visited triangle countries not a single reporter could remember that trip. people remember the gap, maybe remember that he did some negotiations around in 2011, mi point is just i also would say that i think we need to remember this role was defined for a white man. so by its very definition with the historic first it's going to look different, sound different, feel different. my experience has been consider, cleve, you were there in tallahassee florida they had turn away 400 people in the rain, i don't know of a person that could get 200 people out in the rain, so in party in the race she's popular, you spoke to people with different opinions

what they also talked about is anxiety about sexism and racism. and you know, again, having part of what we have to understand is it's going to -- we have to see her for who she is, i give you an example. early i had conversations with reporters about how critical was, she brought lived experience different relationships with womens organizations, reproductive rights organizations, that was a critical part of our victory in 2022 and she spend a lot of time talking to black voters, with them and young people, which are the core of the party. >> did you reach out to her office for comment >> of course, no comment, not off the record. i agree, i think that race gender and equity always play a role in everything that i would write about kamala harris for to years as vp and then in her campaign before that but i do think that democrats also have a question about competence, about

charisma, about any number of things, i don't think that it's ok to take away the strip away, race, gender all those matters of equity but i think that >> i do a lot of polling and she typically polls very high among democrats, she was critical, why, because she was able to help bring out the democratic party base, same thing in new york when we were in big trouble, who did they call in? kamala, there were. >> they're looking for somebody who can win the white house >> you're saying democrats, there's plenty of democrats who say something different. >> i talk to democrats across the board. i talk to ones that were hard core supporters of south carolina, first to endorse her in georgia, a woman who cried the night she was inaugurated i spoke if so supporters of harris but, not what they feel but neighbors think, people who would be voting in a general

election, that's what those fears are based, because there is aspiration, and rightly so, but there is also a desire to win. biden said on the campaign trail over overnight again in order to governor, you also have to win. >> i got to tell you this will be a conversation we'll continue to have, but in breaking news, a woman of color in the lime light interferes, shocking. >> look everyone it will be a super bowl of historic proportions two black quarterbacks facing off on the sport's biggest stage for the first time and it's not white house, we'll be right back. ♪. ♪ .

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. the super bowl is set everyone on february 12th, the kansas city chiefs will face off against the philadelphia eagles, this super bowl will be a big game for firsts. the first time two black quarterbacks ever face off against each other at the big game. and also the first time two brothers, jason and travis kelci are playing against each other in the super bowl. imagine being their mom, donna

kelci joining me now, spoke about 22 mvp doug williams is with us the first black quarterback to star in and win a super bowl. also here with us, a contributor carrie champion, i'm glad to have both of you here today on reflecting on history about to be made, i'll begin with you, doug, if i can, you, yourself, made history in super bowl 22 and now we are here at 57 for the first time seeing two black quarterbacks against each other in the big game. what is your reaction and feeling about this moment? >> first of all thanks for having me. you know, i can remember some 45 years ago that vince evans and moisture were first two black quarterbacks played in a regular nfl game back when i was at tampa and he was at chicago. and last night, when i was sitting there watching patrick,

i had already seen jaylen win his game and sitting there watching patrick, so many anxiety came through for me and for me emotions at that point, you know, i got could have emotion to see that really happening that 35 years later, tomorrow will be 35 year anniversary actually tomorrow and to see that happen last night was -- really gratifying to me, i know it might be to a lot of other people like james harris, briscoe, bless his soul, but to see this happen today and knowing that we come a long ways and still got a long ways to go >> first of all, my father will be thrilled i'm talking to you. second of all being from minnesota thank you for mentioning a viking as well, appreciate that. quickly follow-up, it's not just that it's history being made and two black quarterbacks they're also extremely talented quarterbacks. i don't want that effort to get lost in the conversation, what

will you be looking for in this match-up. >> both of them so good at what they do, jaylen, for instance, i watch jaylen when he was in college, his early year, first couple of years at alabama, and watching him now see how much he done to make himself a quarterback, i don't want people to say he's an athletic quarterback. yes, he can run but he also can stand in the pocket and throw the ball and read defense and run if he has to, he's not playing in a position because he can run, he's playing because he can think and get the ball down the field and you talk about patrick mahomes, i don't think nobody can say anything about patrick what he's done since he's been the starting quarterback in tennessee because nobody can play it the way he's played it and the tough is there you got two of the best quarterbacks in the national football league >> carry i want to bring you

here as well, something doug just said about they're thinking players as well, so often you and i both know the way that many talk about athletes in this country especially in the sport of football, there is a lot of coded language used to talk about and describe and i wonder if you can speak to the idea of you know, although you have so many black men in particular who comprise a majority of football players in the professional league, you don't often see many quarterbacks that are black, number one and number two, they're often described as doug was alluding to differently as opposed to thinking the intellectual player, to describe in terms of physical stature and beyond and athleticism, so to speak. speak to me about this historic nature and way it's being talked about. >> well, first off, it's an honor to be here with doug williams. i want to under score the importance of what he was able to do as the very first black

quarterback to start and also win a super bowl, we honor you. i feel as if 2023 is far too late for us to say, guess what, we have two black starting quarterbacks in the super bowl. in his -- the narrative of black quarterbacks is old, it's tired and quite frankly, we've seen over and over again that these black quarterbacks have been able to not only sustain the position be more than serviceable in this position, we can go down the list, we talk about michael vick, cam newton there have been so many before these two young men now and what we see what they're doing as quarterbacks is more than historic, they are the generation, they are the next brady versus manning, they are the future of quarterbacks in the nfl. what i would like for us to really take away from this though, laura is that looking at these black quarterback, it's far too -- it's far too

discouraging for these head coaches that are not black to see these quarterbacks in this position, this is the conversation we need to have guess what, these black quarterbacks starting in the super bowl who made their way, paid their due, isn't it time for us to look for head coaches? isn't it time to have those conversations we've been trying to have and continue to push it aside. i'll tell you now there are defensive coordinators help these young men get to the potent where they are now and succeed at this level, that the pen ultimate, which is winning this game and getting to the game and they don't see a black quarterback -- a black head coach on the sidelines and i'm so grateful that we're having this moment where we're celebrating these two young kids, they're so young, 27 and 24. and they're winning at the highest level. and i know that there is a black head coach sitting somewhere

thinking it's my turn too. and so i'm glad that we're having this conversation, it's far too ridiculous in 2023 we're celebrating two black quarterbacks. that should just be the norm. it shouldn't even be a conversation. >> i hear you carrie quite well, and i hope that doug williams -- lost the visual i hope he heard the praises you sung to him and obviously the idea who are anticipating the super bowl who want to be in the big game let alone to have been the mvp like doug wheels, thank you both this evening, i appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪. ♪. ♪. na® rapid wrinkle repair® smooths the look of fine lines in 1-week, deep wrinkles in 4. so you can kiss wrinkles goodbye! neutrogena® and it's easier than ever to■ get your projects done right. inside, outside, big or small,

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filed to make the trustee riley and her brother benjamin, who is no longer with us, and that means basically that pricilla presley is challenging her granddaughter's, you know, validity to be the person who is now dealing with her mother's estate. i just say that in these kinds of cases where you have these huge celebrities, it's not that unusual that the family ends up in a big public dispute, she's saying the signature doesn't look like lisa marie's, she's saying she was not informed of this change to the trusteeship but she's claiming that she want to amend the trustee of that will. so there's going to be a lot of money at stake here, but really is pitting a grand mother against a granddaughter.

unfortunate. >> sad to think about, and idea, as sharon points out it's not unheard of to have disputes particularly in the idea of an estate. but talk to me about what the next step, are these really problems that you have seen and what can be done in terms of trying to validate a will with these issues that have been identified be fatal to what comes next >> yes, laura, good to be with you and sharon. listen, the reality is that you know, laura, it's all about the evidence and all about the proof and if someone has a will, a will, of course, is a document and if you want to amend it, the legally binding in the event there are certain formalities in place, in order to do that, witnesses have to witness what you do, certainly there should not be a misspelling of a name, if the happens, certainly to be your mom and so someone can change or do whatever they want but to your question and the point is that it's subject to an evidentiary hearing and at that

hearing, it would have have to have an authentic document in the event you have a will you can do everything and anything you want. it's up to you, it's your prerogative with respect to controlling your assets and who you want to leave them to, but if the formalities are not in place, it is a challenge and and there a hearing will be and opportunity, and if it's not valid and contested then it's clearly end valued and as a result of that, you can see the changes made but if the will is authentic, it will pursue as written now, regardless it's a person's right to do it. bottom line is have it alt-rightth right and at the hearing determine that it is right. we'll see what happens. >> taking us back to law school, i am impressed, i got to ask you, sharon, this family, in particular and the estate we're

talking about very significant. >> yes, i mean, there's reports that there is millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars in a life insurance policy, lisa marie got into a dispute with her business manager a few years ago and was suing him for squandering an 11 million dollars estate that is that he had from her father, there is money on the line here. we still don't know how much obviously, lisa marie debts and it's going to be messy. i'll remind viewers that it took more than a decade to settle michael jackson's estate when he died and he died swimming in debt for those of us who covered that story, including me, and but there was money there and it ended up going to his mother and his children, and some charities but it took, i believe, 12 years for that to get sorted. >> we'll follow what happens here, thank you, both, i appreciate it so much. everyone up next, another mystery at the dallas zoo we'll

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then discovered the monkey enclosure was tampered with but they didn't escape, than an end taken generated vulture was up toed dead in its own habitat. the zoo says it did not ask you to of natural causes. i want to bring in host of leave wildlife nation. now a fourth animal impact pud and two now missing? what are you thinking? >> well, there's definitely a crime underway, and the spectrum of wildlife on our planet is paying the price, dallas zoo a world class zoo but major problem on their hand, i mean quite challenged now that they know that they have this challenge with losing these animals, with animals being killed, for example, the face

vulture, in this case case these incredibly charismatic primates, when you think of a monkey you think of a spider monkey or chimpanzee or ape but they're about this big, very charismatic monkey, they're named after the german emperor with the big long prestigious mustache, this is a creature that falls prey to the black market wildlife trade which is 60 billion dollars industry. i remember earlier conversation we were talking about could those animals be stolen and sold on the black market? this is a species that's an ideal candidate for that >> i mean wondering not only a candidate for that but how would they be surviving outside of the habitat? i would suspect that there's a lot of regulation in terms of their food in terms of what their enclosure looks likely could the average person even

who is trying to then use and sell them on the black market they may be endangering them trying to replicate the habitat. >> i would say whoever this nefarious character is, who's you know, put the cloud of leopard in jeopardy, impacted the other very rare monkeys from southeast asia who's likely killed the vulture, this is like a very, this is a horrible version of animal clue who done it. but with this creature here, my guess this nefarious character probably know as little bit about animals, he's getting unusual access. this individual can get inside the zoo and is knowing how to negotiate where to cut in almost like he's testing the waters, like someone who -- you know, hose's committing that first foyer and then goes back, watches the blaze. it's like this -- there's a real

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