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location we were about to film. there were just two massive missile strikes right in our vicinity. you can see it's just a couple yards away from where we are. we're not exactly sure what kind of missiles it was, but this is rez demgs area. we're right in the middle of town. the photo journalist films the damage caused by the impact. ukrainian military later says they believed the missiles were s300s used to shoot down planes. as medics attended to the wounded our producer checks in with our headquarters. >> really, really close. we're going to stay and shelter. >> reporter: as we tape evidence residents are clearly traumatized by the violence. it is terrifying, natalia, tells me, but what can we do? the strikes came as search and rescue efforts were ongoing in
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exactly the same neighborhood after a russian missile leveled an apartment block on wednesday night killing at least three and wounding eight. the russians seem to be bringing the cities of this region into their war regardless of the consequences. and russian president vladimir putin is saying there is worse to come. putin spoke thursday at events commemorating the battle of sta sta stallengrad. clearly they don't understand that modern war with russia would be quite different from them, he said. we won't send our tanks to their borders, but we have the means to respond and it won't be with the use of armored vehicles. cities like kramatorsk already know the kremlin is ready to escalate its war on ukraine. largely quiet just weeks ago they are now in the eye of the storm as russian forces seek to grind their way through donetsk. when the coast seemed clear, we
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left kramatorsk. we're going to get out of here as fast as possible just in case there's more missile strikes coming, but it certainly seems to us the russians are making kramatorsk a front line in this war. a grim prospect for the thousands of civilians here and in other towns in eastern ukraine. >> fred, what are ukrainian officials saying about these attacks today? >> reporter: well, obviously they're extremely angry about this. there's been several ukrainian officials who have come out once again and called this state terrorism on the part of the russian federation. of course one of the things they're extremely acry about is there was that initial air strike or that strike with a missile that already leveled that building killing several people, and there was a massive cleanup operation going on and a rescue operation. they still believe people might be under the rubble, and then more air strikes took place. so the ukrainians certainly very angry. one of the other things we picked up on, john, the ukrainian president volodymyr
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zule zelenskyy he came out and said he believes this might be evidence of a russian offensive already under way. it's a really difficult situation. one of the things we have to keep in mind is that about half the population of kramatorsk has already left the city. that happened in the early stage of the war. the population is a lot smaller than it was before. however, before kramatorsk had actually become a lemtittle bit safer there were people who came back. i was here a couple months ago and there were fewer people in the city then. they came back and they're being hit by those air strikes, the situation becoming dangerous for them. the people we speak to now a lot of them say, look, we're too poor to leave, we have nowhere to go. a lot of them are going to have to ride this out but understand things are going to become a lot more dangerous for them soon. >> fred pleitgen, you and your
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team please stay safe, my friend. more now on what putin is threatening and how his next moves might be received in russia and countered by ukraine and the west. joining us now one of the kremlin's leading critics pro-democracy leader and former chess grand master garry kasparov. gary, nice to see you. when you hear vladimir putin talking about his response mostly the tanks and other things is this more of a threat for western leaders or more of a message for the domestic audience in russia? >> both. he has to reassure russian audience that he's still in charge, he's in control, and he has a plan of which he doesn't, but he has to pretend as every dictator. he has to project an aura of invincibility and also the same game he's been playing for years. he's making threats, and he
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expects to -- and of course he understands the free world has enough weapon tuesday supply ukraine to win the war, but it's incremental. and the horrible attacks we just witnessed a couple minutes ago on the screen, they could have been prevented if long-range missiles had been supplied to ukraine ages ago. but, unfortunately, the west -- let's talk about the united states. this administration still couldn't make its mind about the outcome of the war. there's the fight within the administration and the -- is preventing these weapons being sent to ukraine. >> gary, you grew up in the soviet union so what do you make of putin's efforts to compare his invasion of ukraine to what the ussr did in world war ii, stalingrad? >> absolute nonsense.
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it never recognized the battle of stalingrad was won with american technological support. without the american tanks the soviet army would be crushed even before the chance they had to encircle german troops around stalingrad. many russians can tell you we fought the rest of the world. the fact there were americans, there are greeks and sending everything needed there was war in many parts of the world. and during the battle of stalingrad one of the best german tank divisions was in africa. it's a fairly cheap propaganda, still works because putin controls the air ways in russia. my concern is not so much russia now but why the free world doesn't recognize that the only
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way to restore peace is defeat putin's invading armies. and that's why weapons, all the weapons except nuclear of course must be sent immediately. >> there's been a lot of discussion whether russia will pull through a huge large wave of mobilization. do you think that they'll try to pull thousands more people into the armed forces? could putin do it without sparking social unrest in russia? >> nobody knows whether it could be done without social unrest, but he'll try. he already mobilized hundreds of thousands and more to come. he needs canon fodder, he needs new soldiers to fuel the halls for the front line. because this war has huge casualties on both sides. more than 100,000 ukrainians
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and -- and putin didn't care about human casualties. he'll try to push through. and unless ukraine has weapons to neutralize his attempts and to stall the counter offensive this war will -- will drag on, and the list of casualties will just keep growing every day. >> how many lives do you think vladimir putin is willing to lose, russian lives before he changes his goals in this conflict? >> he will never change his goals in this conflict. it was clear from the very beginning. the goal of this war was to destroy ukraine as a state because that was an obstacle in putin's plans to restore. as long as he has his resources he'll keep throwing them because no one knows what point russians
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will revolve. from russian history we know russians could tolerate suffering and ready to pay a huge price for military victory. but every political defeat, every military catastrophe always led to a revolt. >> we appreciate having you with us tonight. so as the u.s. responds to russia's attacks on ukraine no country is watching more closely than china which has had long designs on taiwan and makes no secret of it. now with concerns about that threat growing, the united states is beefing up forces in that region. earlier tonight i spoke with leon panetta who served as defense secretary in the obama administration and ci director in the clinton white house. i asked him about the breaking news of the suspected chinese spy balloon. mr. secretary, thank you so much for joining us.
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so how concerned should americans be about the possibility of war breaking out with china? i mean the fact the u.s. defense secretary traveled to the philippines to formally increase u.s. military capabilities there, what does that signal? >> well, it signals that the relationship with china remains very tense, and obviously the secretary of state, tony blinken, is going to be going there this week. and that'll give us a further sense of just how tense the relationship is. but it's pretty clear that china and president xi have obviously been a lot more aggressive about their military presence in the south china sea, their threats on taiwan, their approach generally to governing has been much more aggressive than in the past. and it raises concerns. and for that reason i think it's very important for the united states to be taking whatever steps are necessary in order to
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be able to deal with whatever threat china represents. >> and there are more step as well. there's also this new u.s. base in guam and increased military cooperation with japan. how do you expect china to react to all the u.s. activity in the region? >> well, there's no question they'll be nervous. we've not only improved our positioning in guam, we're in the process of improving our position in japan as well, in okinawa. and in addition to that obviously this announcement that we're going to have access to additional bases in the philippines represents a very important step for the united states. but also it gives the united states some additional capability with regards to having to defend taiwan if necessary or the south china area in some way.
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it represents a real step in improving our capability in the pacific. >> do you believe the u.s. government is hoping that china views the u.s. support for ukraine as something of a blueprint of what the u.s. might do for taiwan if war were to break out there? and do you think china would give any second thoughts about attacking because of it? >> i don't think there's any question that xi is paying attention to what's happening in ukraine, and that's one of the reasons it's so important for the united states and our nato allies to do everything we can to make sure that ukraine prevails against russia. the message that we send to putin, frankly, has to be the same message we send to xi with regards to taiwan. if the united states is able to develop strong alliances and be able to defend against any aggression on their part, that's a very important message to send
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to -- to our adversaries. >> so, as we've been talking about tonight, a pentagon spokesperson says they have been tracking a high altitude chinese surveillance balloon over the continental united states for the past several days. now, the united states has decided against shooting it down saying it doesn't present any military or physical threat to people on the ground. the pentagon says it's not the first incident of this kind over the years, but what do you make of it? >> well, it raises a lot of very interesting questions. we know that china has the capability to do surveillance certainly by satellite, use of drones, other ways to be able to capture that information. to use a large balloon and send it over the united states, i guess the first question that occurs to me is does it contain a very sensitive cameras or equipment to pick up sensitive
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information that we would? well, what's it reason for this large balloon having to be used by china? i think that's something we need to get the answer to. >> mr. secretary leon panetta, thank you so much for being with us tonight. so next, was it political pay back or keeping a promise or both? inside the vote to remove a controversial democrat from the house foreign affairs committee while putting two controversial republicans back on the committees. and later a mother accused of kill her three children and why her husband is asking people to forgive her. i watched d my mother go through being a single mom. at the end of the day, my mom raised three children, including mymyself. and so once the client knew that she was heard. we were able to help her move forward. your client won't care how much you know until they know how much you care.
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elections have consequences. that is a simple fact. here's another. in the house the majority makes the rules including who sits on certain committees, not we might add without controversy especially today. cnn's manu raju reports. >> like i was. >> reporter: house republicans in one of their first moves in power ousting democrat ilhan omar from a seat on the foreign affairs committee over past remarks condemned as anti-semitic. >> she has brought dishonor to the house of representatives. >> reporter: 218-211 vote a response to 2021 when democrats booted republicans paul gosar and marjorie taylor greene from all of their committees over their rhetoric. but speaker kevin mccarthy claims this is different since
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omar can serve on other committees, just not foreign affairs. >> no, that's the clear part how it's not tit for tat. we're not removing her from other committees, we just do not believe when it comes to foreign affairs especially the responsibility of that position around the world with the comments that you make. >> reporter: then speaker nancy pelosi set the precedent in 2021 but told cnn at the time she was not concerned the gop might retaliate. >> we would not walk away from our responsibilities for fear of something they may do in the future. >> reporter: now democrats say the vote was an act of pure political vengeance. >> but what's going to take place on the floor today is not a public policy debate. it's not about accountability. it's about political revenge. >> reporter: but omar has apologized even signing onto a resolution recognizing israel as
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a legitimate u.s. ally. and today defiant. >> i'm an immigrant, and interestingly from africa. is anyone surprised that i am being targeted? >> reporter: even some republicans uneasy about the vote. >> i'm not excited about the direction that -- the direction we've kind of taken this place. it's tit for tat. >> how you feel this day about one of the first major acs of the republican majority to kick ilhan omar off the committee. >> first of all i'm concerned about a swing district we're not focused on talking about inflation. >> manu, the so-called due process of this resolution that convinced some i guess reluctant republicans to support ousting omar is it clear what that looks like? could she get back on the committee somehow? >> reporter: not under this resolution. that was one of the sharp
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criticisms democrats levied the concerns raised about due process was simply not addressed in the resolution approved in the house. what kevin mccarthy did behind the scenes is tried to assuage some of those concerns, some of the members concerned in the republican conference including nancy mase. what he told mase they could come up with a new process going forward and create new house rules to allow members to appeal any efforts to try to kick them off the committee. mase is going to be part of this effort to deal with it in the future, if another situation arises in the future. it would not necessarily apply to ilhan omar here. this all started in 2021 when democrats kicked off marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar from their committee assignments. they had it was justified, but now there's real concern this will happen time and time again unless something changes here and some members are trying to change just that. >> manu, thank you. coming up, a seemingly happy
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may again, may play a role in a family's horrific tragedy. the wife and mother you see on the screen tonight is accused of deliberately killing her three children, but her husband, those kid's father, is not only grieving, he's showing grace asking others for compassion towards the woman he loved even as she faces potential murder charges. our miguel marquez tonight with the disturbing details that may speak to a larger issue in our society. >> reporter: an act beyond comprehension. plymouth county, massachusetts, 32-year-old mother lindsey clancy accused of assault, strangulation, and murder of her 5-year-old daughter cora, her 3-year-old son dawson, and her 8 month old son. >> it was just beautiful, beautiful children, well cared for.
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they were just beautiful. >> reporter: all three children found january 25th in the basement of their duxbury massachusetts home unconscious says the district attorney, exhibiting obvious signs of severe trauma. two died that night. the third, the 8-month-old died two days later. their mother attempted suicide. she survived. in the voices of first responders, anxiety. debbie's son, a firefighter, responded that night. >> it still bothers him today. yesterday when it's quiet that's when you start, you're alone with your thoughts and he's had little break downs here and there. >> reporter: lindsey clancy who worked as a labor and delivery nurse wrote in private facebook posts viewed by the boston globe just weeks after her third child was born she wrote that she had
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struggled with postpartum depression in the past but was now feeling dialled in and had been focusing on exercise, nutrition, and mind-set. >> we just don't understand it. >> reporter: patrick clancy, husband to lindsey, father to their now deceased three kids, has asked the public to forgive his wife. our marriage was wonderful and diametrically grew stronger as her condition rapidly worsened. i took as much pride in being her husband as i did in being a father and felt persistently lucky to have her in my life. she loved being a nurse, but nothing matched her intense love for our kids and dedication to being a mother. it was all she ever wanted. her passion taught me how to be a better father. a gofundme page has been setup for patrick clancy to pay for funerals, medical bills, and an unknowable period of no work, no
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income, and as he wrote, discovering his purpose. writing on the gofundme page patrick clancy concluded, cora, dawson, and callum, you gave me so much in your short time here. i don't know if the pain will ever go away but i'll do my best to carry on in your honor. dada loves you so much and will always remember you. >> and miguel is here with me. we're sit here watching it and it's more than we can bear. and you see the pictures, these faces on the screen. it is literally unbearable to see this. so i just want to state that given that and i appreciate how hard it is for you to report this -- given that what is the condition of the mother tonight? and when or are formal charges expected? >> incredibly difficult. i don't know these people at all, but my heart goes out to them and an incredibly difficult report. she is in the boston hospital.
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she's getting better. she's talking right now to state officials. when she gets out of the hospital -- they're still investigating and when she gets out she'll face murder charges and many other charge by the time she gets out of that hospital. but just unfathomable sadness. >> miguel marquez, i appreciate this report and i know you've been in it all day and i can only imagine just the heart break you feel and everyone detected to this feels. with us now is retired fbi special investigator mary otulle. this is just beyond heart wrenching and there's a lot we still don't know, but you heard miguel's reporting there and lindsey clancy posted on facebook about her past struggles with postpartum depression. this is something many women deal with, yet this is so, you know, awful. it's hard to compare anything to this. i mean what's your sense of what could have happened in this tragedy? >> well, as more comes out it's -- it's possible that on that dimension of postpartum
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depression hers was far worse than that and may have even become -- she may have been in a state of being almost delusional and not really necessarily unlike the case of andrea yates some 21 years ago who also suffered from postpartum depression, but it was so severe, it was so debilitating that it was really at the psychotic level. so i think we need to hear just how bad this depression really was for her. >> one of the things you said was that in her mind she may not think what she did was wrong. that's hard, i think, for a lot of people to wrap their heads around, but explain what you mean there. >> well, part of it may also include that she may have had if it was as the andrea yates case she may have believed that in
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order to save her children, some religious belief, for example, she needed to kill them. which, of course, your viewers cannot even fathom because it is unfathomable, but depending on the state of her mental illness she may have believed that because of this postpartum depression that is so severe. and as part of that she wanted to die with them. so again it becomes really important to understand did she see this as a way to save her children from something that she believed was possibly worse for them. >> what do you make of the father's reaction here? again, it's impossible for us to know what's going on in his head, but asking the public for forgiveness for his wife. >> i know we expect to have heard him say that he hated his wife, he doesn't even know what to say. this is a catastrophic event for this family and specifically for him. but here's the issue.
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we don't know how the father typically handles grief and being upset, so in a case like this we would have to go back and see how he handled loss and grief and terrible events in his past. this may be consistent with that, and of course the stages of death and dying are very complicated. and frankly, he could be -- he could continue to be in shock. he doesn't even know what else to say. but i think as the days and months go on, i think we're going to see and hear different sentiments come out. >> mary ellen otulle, thank you for helping us understand the incomprehensible tonight. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> as miguel's piece noted lindsey clancy did attempt to take her own life. we want to remind everyone about the 988 suicide and crisis help line. just call or text 988 -- 988 for the lifeline. you can also go to
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so this broadcast has had a lot of fun exploring the new technology known as chatgpt. last week we showed you how this artificial intelligence program can write a pretty good cable news intro. and last night we introduced you to a princeton student's new tech that can detect whether a human or bot wrote something. but there's one question we haven't answered about this fascinating new software that can mimic the research or writing involved in a well crafted essay or story and can turn what used to be hours of work into secondsch and that question is will it take my job. >> which jobs is ai coming after first? >> if you're a middle manager you're doomed. any kind of commodity salesperson, report person and journalists, account keepers and book keepers and oddly enough doctors who are looking -- who specialize in things like drug interactions. >> do you mean out of a job or
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that part of a job? >> that part. >> reporter: that's what americans are looking at right now. the explosion of chatgpt showed us it can do a lot of what humans can do at work and faster. will it take my job? >> yes and no. it's not going to replace you. someone who knows how to use it well is going to take your job where and that's a guarantee. >> reporter: by 2025 the world economic forum predicts that 85 million jobs will be displaced by automation and technology, but it'll also create 97 million new roles. we've seen it before in the auto industry. >> while the auto worker may be displaced because they are not as good at welding or as painting as the robot, there's probably 35 people that have to be involved in the creation and maintenance of that device that welds better than a person. >> reporter: and that's what happened at carbon robotics. former auto workers now building an ai laser reader in detroit for farms. >> it's a direct result of the
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history of auto manufacturing that we have that skill set available to us all in one place. >> reporter: the laser reader still operated by a human but run by ai can do the work of between 40 and 80 people says the ceo, filling roles that are hard to find humans for. >> labor is harder and harder to find every year particularly farm labor. and an ai system like ours that can do that job automatically saves a lot of time, money and effort. >> reporter: this music is composed solely by artificial intelligence called ava. it even has an album you can stream. ai music is more affordable. there's no producer, composer or artist to play. >> it's taken away opportunity from songwriters, producers and artists, people trying to feed their families. >> reporter: something similar is happening in the art world, leading artists to file a class action lawsuit against three ai art companies for copyright infringement.
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ortiz claims they're using her name and art to train the ai. >> it's feast and famine for most of us. we go job by job, and what happens when there's a little bit less work to go around. >> reporter: stability ai, one of the company's named says the suit misunderstands how ai and copyright law work, adding it intends to, quote, defend ourselves and the vast potential generative ai has to expand the creative power of humanity. the two other companies did not respond. >> i never thought we'd be here. it's like straight out of a sci-fi movie. >> my father tried to teach me human emotions. >> there's a wonderful scene in the movie "i-robot." detective spooner hates robots and he says -- >> can a robot write a symphony, can the robot turn it into a beautiful masterpiece? >> and the robot looks up and
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goes -- >> can you? >> we're just people. this is not coming to kill us. it's coming to help us. >> that's what they always say, it's coming to help us. that's what they said in the movie "the terminator." you talk to us about the top five jobs that this technology will take. what about the last five jobs it will take? and where does like occasional fill in anchor rank there? >> unfortunately, you are considered a journalist so you're in the top five jobs that ai will take first. but i want to be clear artificial intelligence will touch every job at some point. however, the top five jobs are have one thing in common, top five jobs that will be taken last, humanity. they are a preschooler, elementary schoolteacher, professional athlete, politician, judge, and mental health professional. this all requires human nature. a preschoolteacher wanting to give a hug to their preschool
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student who may be upset, a judge who needs to cast judgment, and a politician -- well, i mean they have interesting, unique qualities that i don't know maybe they just have, but the idea is that these will be very hard to replace solely with artificial intelligence. but artificial intelligence could help them as a tool in some way just like it could help you and i, john, in some way but definitely not take our jobs. >> the preschoolteachers i think we can all get behind. politicians. look, this is fascinating. this is terrific piece, and i think the philosophical question here is where it gets very interesting. coming up new images of a once in 50,000 year event, the historic visit from a green comet. that's n next. ♪ what you gon' do? you ain't talkin' 'bout nothin'!
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they came from past jobs in fact. every time she experienced something new, her stack of hats grew. she even served turkey legs with what's on tap, all while wearing a viking hat. then she found a place. her many hats would be embraced, and she couldn't hide the excitement from her face. so, polly traded in her hats to help earn her grad cap! your past experience can help you earn your degree faster and for less. get started at phoenix.edu the suspected chinese spy balloon high above the u.s. we reported on earlier is not the only object in the sky people are talking about tonight. we just got this new image in of a historic event, a green comet that has not been visible in the sky since the stone age, about
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50,000 years ago, recently photographed above stonehenge in england. it is a rare and historic treat to see it. i'm joined by adam frank, professor of physics. how significant is this comet, and did you get a chance to see it yourself? >> the thing that's really cool about this is time. if you think about the comet as like a clock, then the last time that the hands were pointing to where it is now was the ice age, essentially, when there was two miles of ice above my head and the entire world's population could fit into cleveland. what this shows us is these comets are visitors from the dawn of time in many ways. it's such an amazing thing to think about the last time this comet went by, it was all forests, and now it's new york city and tiktok.
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>> well, i missed it last time and this time, so now i have to wait another 50,000 year s? >> well, a comet like this, it's possible this comet is going to leave, that actually interactions with jupiter or saturn are going to give it just enough energy that it's never coming back. >> it was just discovered last march, so how common is it to discover something that old? >> well, there's two kinds of comets. there's the one that is come around less than every 200 years like haileys, every 75 years or so. but these comets are so far out that you really only catch them once. you catch them the first time that they're coming in because often they'll fall into the sun, or once they're gone, they're not coming back forever or 50,000 years. it's this new telescope
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technology that can pick up faint objects in the sky as they change position. it's taking pictures of the entire sky every night. it's because of that transient telescope that we're able to catch more of these. soon we'll be catching a lot more of these intruders from the solar system. >> i understand the comet can be differentiated from the stars because it has that dust and energized particles around it as well as something called a green coma surrounding it. what exactly is a coma in this context, and where does the green come from? >> so a comet is basically a giant mountain of mush, of frozen mush, and as it comes in towards the sun, it heats up, and as it heats up, the ices begin to melt and vaporize. so the coma is sort of this gas and plasma that's surrounding the comet that just recently went from the ice state to the gas state. and the green comes from light
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from the sun ripping apart molecules like cyanide or carbons -- two carbon atoms glued together, so that green hue is telling you the surface of the comet is being torn apart from the intense light from the sun. >> again, if you missed it this time, it may not exist in a few more years because it may get torn apart. don't get upset. professor, great to talk to you. thanks for helping us understand this marvel we've seen. >> it was a pleasure. thank you. >> the news continues with laura coats right after a short break. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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