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day in congress. republicans who howled at republicans or democrats kicked marjorie taylor green off committees now turning around and kicking ilhan omar off the committee after giving green new assignments. congressman george santos who lied his way into congress, no penalties yet. today, he called on congress to fight bigotry and anti-semitism as well, pretty rich coming from a guy who repeatedly claimed to be jewish. plus we're waiting for the release of more than 20 hours of footage of the police beating that led to the death of tyre nichols. the talk in the country is about how policing has to change. the question is will that change come from washington or in a classroom. will we hear it from a local
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level and police chiefs themselves. and there's an investigation in ohio of an online home schooling network where parents allegedly shared messages of white supremacy and hitler quotes as educational resources for the students. why the state may not be able to do a thing about it. lots going on tonight. i want to begin with the party line vote today to congresswoman ilhan omar, the congresswoman defiant on the house floor. before that, a vote saying this would not diminish her leadership. >> my leadership and voice will not be diminished if i am not on this committee for one term. my voice will get louder and stronger, and my leadership will be celebrated around the world as it has been. so take your votes or not, i am here to stay, and i am here to
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be a voice against harms around the world and advocate for a better world. i yield back. >> i want to bring in political analyst kyrsten powers, and editorial committee aid, and former obama white house senior director. glad to see you all here. listen. we talk about groundhog day. we talk about the way in which we've seen a lot of this before and the premise of that movie is the idea of trying to get it right time and time again and having the same set of circumstances come up. in fact, let's pay a little homage as to how often we refer to it. >> phil? >> ned. ned ryarson, i did the whistling belly button trick at the school talent show. >> but phil's about to find out,
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he's not just stuck -- >> will you be checking out today? >> chance of departure today, 100%. >> he's stuck -- >> it's groundhog day! >> in groundhog day. >> i bring it up because how often do you hear people say, it's groundhog day. i particularly love that movie. we have been here before where there has been an opportunity for members of congress to identify a problem, change it, and demonstrate some maybe moral compass or demonstrate a connective tissue that says here's who ought to leave and be consistent in many ways, and the very next chance they have to get it right again, it's a whole other ball game. we're still not at the point where it's been accomplished in a way that's not hypocritical. what do you say about today? >> it is hypocritical for the republicans to complain about something and turn around and do
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the same thing. i think that's the most minor problem here, though. i think the bigger problem is the obsession with persecuting ilhan omar. two of them are women the gop is obsessed with persecuting. so that's the biggest problem we have right here, that this is not about anything else other than mainly anti-muslim sentiment. it's important to have her voice in any foreign policy discussion because so much of our foreign policy actually does involve people who look like her and who have her experience and beliefs. so to take her off of there and say, oh, it's no big deal because it's just foreign policy. it's like, no, that's exactly where she should be. she apologized. you have jewish members of congress who have stood up and said, she absolutely -- she has d done the work of repair, and
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she's learned and is doing better on this issue, and there's no problem here. so the republicans don't have a leg to stand on here. >> i want to play what speaker mccarthy had to say because he says it's because it's foreign affairs in particular that she cannot be on the committee. listen to what he had to say, and i want to hear your response. >> we're not removing her from other committees. we just do not believe when it comes to foreign affairs, especially the responsibility of that position around the world with the comments that you make, she shouldn't serve there. if there is a concern, it's not tit for tat. but i think in moving forward, every member of congress has a responsibility to how they carry themselves. >> do you by his explanation? >> no. if it was a matter of combining anti-semitism, then congresswomen jewish would also not be engaged in these votes and conversations that come to
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the house floor about foreign policy. it's not only the committee, congress authorizes at large defense spending, military aid overseas. she had to get a special -- for wearing religious head gear. that was new for congress. only about 15 or 16 years ago did we even see the first member of congress -- when i was a staffer there, there was nobody in leadership in congress. there are barely any other muslim-american staffers. it's a big deal to have had three so far, and her representation goes beyond that. she's a refugee. she's from africa, she represents the samali-american community and all they've had to deal with in relation to counterterrorism efforts. so she's been critical to the democratic efforts. >> it's also that there's the
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violence rhetorically around her, but there's also the idea of violence, how it's come into congress, and there's not been an equal measure of punishment based on incendiary remarks. we all hard congresswoman cortez today speaking about where her life she feels was really threatened and no consequence. here it is. >> i had a member of the republican caucus threaten my life, and you all and the republican caucus rewarded him with one of the most prestij jous committee assignments in this congress. don't tell me this is about consistency. don't tell me this is about a condemnation of anti-semitic remarks when you have a member of the republican caucus who has talked about jewish space lasers and also elevated her to some of the highest committee assignments in this body. this is about targeting women of color in the united states of america. don't tell me because i didn't
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get a single apology when my life was threatened. thank you. >> liam, what's your reaction. >> i think with congressman gosar, the punishment was he was removed from committees. that set the precedent that this is a double standard. he says it's not tit for tat. this is about a procedural pretext going back to what k kyrsten said about the long-standing -- remember, they've -- you know, whether that's principal or good faith or bad faith, they've wanted her out for a long time, this opened the door for their ability to do that by pointing to the fact that it happened to taylor green and gosar. >> but the thing is the democrats removed them because the republicans wouldn't remove them. so it's just this sick game that they play.
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>> the democrats don't -- >> it's essentially their own, right? minority jeffrey talked about how she had been condemned by her own party. we're not hearing republican transgres sores of common decency being admonished by current leadership. >> marjorie taylor green had to visit the holocaust museum because she wasn't aware the holocaust even existed. please spare us this stuff about being concerned with anti-semitism. how about donald trump who had dinner with known anti-semitic people. this is not on the up and up. this is 100% they have been out for her from the minute she has set foot in congress, they have been crazed. you had marjorie taylor green running for office posing with a gun and talking with pictures of
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the squad, you know, two of those people happen to be muslim women. interesting. wonder what that's about. >> kevin mccarthy has the ability as speaker to take people off certain committees, including the intelligent committee. but we're talking about omar because she's the only person on a standing committee they are removing. he already did this to schiff with a discrete reason to do that hp he alluded to an intention to do that back on the floor debate in 2021. in a lot of ways, this is this coming home. >> we have to remember this is all catering to the far right and republican party. there are many republicans who are uncomfortable with this. this is something that the far right who he had to make all these concessions to to become the leader, trying to make them happy. >> senator jeffries pointed out what this might mean in the long run in the terms of relationship
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between republicans and democrats. listen to what he had to say about the complexity of that relationship now going forward. >> speaker mccarthy knows i strongly disagree with him and them on this issue, and this type of poisonous, toxic, double standard is going to complicate the relationship moving forward between house democrats and house republicans. >> for voting, yet accurate. >> republicans are going to need a few democrat to be able to get any of their debt limit budget compromises done. it's not the majority that's going to get mccarthy the work to pass his agenda. he's constantly on the back foot with fights that cater to the maga part of his party as opposed to advancing any positive thought for republicans, even though northeast charge. >> everyone, thank you, stick around. when we come back, memphis says there are 20 hours of
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beyond recognition by police in memphis. >> my hope is this dark memory spurs some action that we've all been fighting for, and although you got to keep at -- i listened to al sharpton's eulogy, which i thought thaut was first rate, and we got to stay at it as long as it takes. >> here with me in the studio, cnn legal analyst, elliott williams. also joining us, former sheriff of king county washington. we begin with you, sue, out there because i think it's important to orient the conversation based on your experience. you were in law enforcement, and you wrote a piece that was very compelling and thought-provoking in the atlantic, and you say after watching the tyre nichols video, you know why this keeps happening. you say, it's police culture.
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tell me what you think needs to be changed. >> well, we have to -- we have to let go of the methodology that police are fighting a noble battle between good and evil. police are used as a cleanup crew. they're used as a substitute for unfunded social services that keep neighborhoods healthy and vigorous. and at some point, i'm hoping i can get my peer law enforcement leaders to stand up and say, we're not going to do this anymore. there has to be policing. don't get me wrong. i'm not saying we don't need police. but we can't use them as a substitute. we have to have adequately funded social services, and there's a whole other array of social services that lead communities to be in the situations they're in, but we have to start by bringing in services to help people. >> joshua, you in your
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experience as well, former fbi assistant director, think about this, there ought to be a relationship between the community and police officers, but they are often complaining and justify in many reasons being the catch-all, having to be the jack of all trades, responding to things like mental health calls without having the proper training, and it runs the g game et as well. tell me when you take of this idea of police officers asked to be doing too much which leads to this culture. >> i think law enforcement need the community to do their job. they have to rely on the community to do their job. that relationship you talk about is essential to law enforcement and policing. they are asked to do too much today, and when you look at the transgressions of law enforcement, of course the horrific acts in memphis, you
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have to go back to the root causes and look at what is the training, what are the hiring practices, are we bringing the right people and culture? those are the root of the problem to get on the front end of what happened, not to clean it up after the fact. >> it's an important point. because along with community is going to be trust, and trust is obliterated when you've got instance after instance of what happens when someone has a great deal of responsibility and believes they're omnipotent and untouchable as a result. we're learning there are about 20 hours of additional footage involved in the beating of tyre nichols. i bring that up because we're going to be looking at this and looking retrospectively as opposed to in real time or forward thinking. what's it say to you that you have all the footage and still the problems persist? >> it's a culture point.
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i want to pick up on the philosophy behind policing. no good or wrong to this, but baked into american culture is the idea that police are warriors, not guardians of community. think about basic things, for instance, the term troops. troops or troopers referring to police. it doesn't have to be that way, but the notion of policing as an offshoot of the military is who we are as americans, and that could change as a reshaping and thinking of how we think about policing. she also made a point about social services. seattle has done a great deal of this. think about the individual urinating behind the library or even the kid in school who might be violent. most of those circumstances call for a social worker, not an armed police officer to show up. and the likelihood of a serious altercation ending in a fatality is greatly increased when someone shows up with a firearm. imagine if we rethought the idea
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of social service. most encounters really require social services showing up on the scene, not someone who might necessarily increase the risk of violence happening. >> sheriff, bring you back into this conversation on the idea of the different roles and what is needed, but it also strikes me when you talk about the culture of police, the term that people use obviously refers to a very big umbrella, and yet we've got a patchwork of individual police departments without one singular universal standard. you don't even have the idea of national registry of different officers or problematic officers. so talking about the cull ture policing, is it possible to change it when you've got hundreds if not thousands of individuals of culture police departments? >> i think it is possible. but it's going to be very
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difficult. and because we have 18,000 different opinions, both for the local city council and the police chiefs, there has to be incentive, i believe. because the federal government doesn't control local criminal justice, the federal government can certainly offer incentives to change to training model to provide technical assistance on how do you change your academy so from day one, you don't start out creating storm troopers. you start out creating guardians who believe that they have a role in the community to protect and serve, not to suppress and encounter. that's necessary sometimes. the other thing we have to be very careful of is we talk about alternative call handling. be be sending social workers. that system isn't properly funded. we've got to be careful we build that up before we start
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diverting people. we did this in the '70s with the mental health system, and we said, we're not going to lock people into state hospitals. we're going to send them back into the community for treatment. but that system never rose to the occasion. that's why we are in the mess we're in right now with mental health issues. >> joshua, i'll give you the last word on this. what are those incentives the sheriff speaks of that would be the kind of carrot that provoke change? is it identify unfinancial? >> it's definitely financial. over half of them have less than 20 departments. how are they paying for body worn cameras? how are they changing training? what does a national standard look like, and how is the federal government going to assist law enforcement with those changes?
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those are important issues to examine. >> it speaks to the idea that universal and national standards that are included and some pending legislation. also, looking to ohio where authorities are investigating an online home schooling network where parents supposedly shared pronazi and white supremacist education. and slightly, there may be little or nothing at all the state can do about it. we'll l explain next. i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual.
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well, tonight, investigations underway in ohio by the state's education department. this following reports that parents were members of an online home schooling network are allegedly sharing white supremacist and pro-nazi messages to educate children. they're being described as racist and anti-semitic and
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homophobic. they say not much can be done because the department does not review home school curriculums. omar, i'm so glad to see you here and following this story because really, it's pretty shocking to think that there's not the oversight that one would presume must happen. what can you tell us about the messages this home schooling network has apparently been sharing amongst themselves? >> so an official with the state department of edge case says while they're reviewing any compliance -- potential compliance issues here, there's not much they can do because they don't review or approve curriculums for home schooling. when you talk about what is actually being circulated here, this is a group that's believed to operate out of upper sandusky, ohio, and they are not shy about their pro-nazi, white supremacist, you name it, messages in there as they describe as lessons. take a look at one lesson they
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posted around thanksgiving, a copyrights lesson where they're teaching how to hand write but using quotes from hitler to teach how to do it. last month, as martin luther king day approached, she wrote, it's up to assure our children know him, the deceitful, dishonest, riot inciting negro he was, and he precipitated the anti-white regime we are now fighting to free ourselves from. and the post continued saying this is a unit study for elementary-aged children. one of the alleged leaders of this white supremacy social mediaing platform group is no longer working for his own family owned and run business according to company who they put out a statement saying the viewpoints and ideology recently expressed by logan lawrence and his wife in no way represent the
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values of lawrence insurance agency or its employees. we wholeheartedly empathize with all who have been hurt, upset, and disturbed by their conduct. now, an online research group named logan and lawrence has those who run it. i've reached out to them many times, have not gotten a response at this point. but logan's brother, jordan, told me they, the larger family, had no idea this was happening. they are gutted to find out thp they say it's not representative of who they are as a larger family and he hasn't spoken to his brother in recent days. another source close to the family who says they have been getting threats as a result of this says there has been collateral damage in their community, which is pretty small, but also that source said, it's pretty telling they did this in secret, implying if the surrounding community had known about it, the surrounding
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family, they would have stopped this from happening. the local school officials, state school officials have condemned it. not clear what they can actually do about it since it's home school. >> pretty -- hand writing lessons through hitler messages. again, this is elementary schools in part? stunning. thank you so much. i want to bring in scott demaro, he's the president of the ohio education which represents 100,000 teachers and faculty. scott, i'm glad you're here. it might be stunning, not only the content, but i was surprised to find out that under ohio law, the state department of education does not review or approve a home school curriculum, and parents provide
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900 hours of instruction every year, notify the superintendent every year, provide assurance the teacher has a high school diploma or other equivalency and provide results of a nationally standardized test. do these requirements need to get much tougher? >> the answer is they do need to get tougher. there is an inherent problem with home schooling requirements in ohio and in other states that just allow for an almost completely unregulated system to move forward. the problem is that local school districts that receive these reports or letters from families indicating they're planning on home schooling their children don't really have the authority or capacity to provide oversight that i think is required. i'll be clear that i am sure
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that the vast majority of people who home school their children are not like the lawrences. they all, you know, may have very good reasons for making that choice to home school their children. but this is an inherently unregulated system, and i don't know that there's a lot that can be done. what we ought to make sure that we're not doing is in any way subsidizing this action. and in the state of ohio right now, home school families get a $250 tax credit from the people of ohio to offset their costs. there's legislation that's been introduced by members of the general assembly that would increase that to $2,000. i will say, for one, as a taxpayer, i don't want to subsidize people that are going to be teaching hateful ideology to children. >> and yet, i'm glad you mentioned that tax credit. and 250 is nothing to sneeze at.
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but in the long run, would it be, i wonder, if you were to remove that tax credit, would that be enough of an incentive to teach according to a more regulated system in the home school environment. but i do know what you mentioned that there has been swift condemnation from teachers in ohio, but yet, there's not been an agreement on how and what to do about this. i think it speaks to a larger issue in a world where we're talking about parental involvement in schools, the idea of how could you possibly regulate what a parent wants to teach at home. is there some sort of a solution that you think right now is on the immediate horizon to address this, even outside of the tax credit? because i know that governor mike dwine in ohio has stopped short of saying rather he would short policy solutions, and he
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doesn't think that stricter home schooling policies are the right answer necessarily. how do you find the middle ground to change it? >> i think it's going to be really tough, especially since in the senate, there's legislation to restructure the state department of education to gut the authority of the state board of education, and in that legislation, it would be to even further deregulate home schooling in ohio. i don't know where the debate over regulation is going to go. but there is a larger movement that we're dealing with in ohio and in many states across the country, and that is to take resources away from the 90% of children who attend our public schools and divert them to private options. people have freedom. people have the opportunity to make choices to send their kids to private schools or to home school them, but it is not the responsibility of the tax payers of the state to subsidize those
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choices when we need to instead ensure that every single one of our students, regardless of race, zip code, have the resources they need to reach and achieve their potential. that's where we need to focus our issues. let's not get distracted by these kind of side issues. let's focus our attention on fully and fairly funding our public schools. >> that's part of a much larger conversation. we're talking about more than 51,000 during the 2020/2021 school year where home schools in ohio. we're talking about 2.1% of all k-12 students. not insignificant, but not the majority having particular access to this information. a really important conversation that does not have to end today. nice speaking with you, scott. thank you so much. >> thank you, laura. well, patrick mahomes and
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on february 12th, two black quarterbacks will be starting in the super bowl for the very first time ever. and today, the kansas city chiefs quarterback pat mahomes and philadelphia eagles quarterback jalen hurts are both speaking out about the history-making occasion. >> yeah. i mean, to be on the world stage and have two black quarterbacks start in the super bowl, i think it's special. i've learned more and more about the history of the black quarterbacks since i have been in this league. the guys that came before me and jalen set the stage for this, and now i'm just glad we can set the stage for kids that are coming up now. >> i think it's history.
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i think it's something worthy of being noted. it is history. it's come a long way. i think there's only been seven african american quarterbacks to play in the super bowl. >> joining me now former nfl wide receiver donte stallworth. want to begin with you donte. you heard mahomes talking about and learning about the black quarterbacks and history of this as well. talk to me about what this means. the historic significance of this, having two black quarterbacks playing in the big game. >> it's huge. these two young men are extremely talented. they're leaders on the field and in their community. to have two guys that are not even in the prime of their careers. they're still young. they have many more years to play hopefully. so these two guys are leading these teams, two of the best
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teams in the nfl, they're going to square off next sunday, and it's going to be huge not only because of everything on the field but off the field obviously. these two kids are really good at what they do. they are really good at being leaders in the community. but i think most importantly, you heard patrick talk about off the field. he really -- as you grow in the league, you start to understand the history more. doug williams was obviously the first player to play in the nfl as a black quarterback, and he changed the narrative of what black quarterbacks can do in the nfl. >> funny you should mention because i actually had a chance to interview doug williams earlier about this. here's what he had to say thinking about this moment and the significance. >> you know, i can remember some 45 years ago that vince evans and myself were the first two quarterbacks to play in a regular nfl game back when i was at tampa and he was at chicago.
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and last night, when i was sitting there watching patrick -- i had already seen jalen win his game -- sitting there watching patrick, so many anxiety came through to me, and from an emotional standpoint, i got emotional to see that really happening. >> christy, you used to cover him as well. talk about the significance of this. >> i covered that entire season for the washington post, covering the washington football team. he wasn't the first starter. there was another player, but they decide today go with doug for the playoffs and of course for the super bowl, making him the first black quarterback to start a super bowl. hard to believe that was january of '88, and of course he won the game and became the mvp. he bent his knee back, we were talking about this earlier. he came out for a play. he wanted to fight to get back in that game, won the game, won the mvp award.
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doug comes from another era. he comes from a time laura and donte, where guys were told, if you're a black man, you can't play quarterback, or if you play in college, you can't play in the pros. i cheered for a quarterback as a girl at the university of tolito, chuck hughly who had to go to canada to be a quarterback, and he was one of the best quarterbacks i had seen. at that time, my dad told me, he's not going to play quarterback because they don't think they're smart enough, and it was pure racist. and i learned that as a young white girl because of chuck. to see him pull it off, tears in his eyes, and there were probably tears in my eyes seeing him accomplish what 10-12 earliers, a man i cheered for could never have accomplished. now to see this on one level, we're shocked this is the first
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time two black men are starting, but that an achievement, and it certainly will not be the last time. >> the idea of age of these players as well and what younger people are looking at and seeing and the new what ought to be the norms happening again as well. these are incredible athletes, period. in a few games as we're talking about the super bowl coming up, in about three games i would say for one man named lebron james, who is within the sights of a significant record, it looks like he is going to surpass at some point this season, probably in the very near future, kareem abdul-jabbar as the all-time scoring leader. what would this mean for his legacy? >> he's the greatest of all time, not just in basketball, but that staying power we talk about with athletes. the way he's lived his life in the public eye, someone who only went to high school, didn't go
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to college. just an exemplory american. never a false step, never a mistake. absolutely the longevity, the human being he is, it's remark to believe see, and history will of course record him as one of our great athletes and great people. >> he does as an athlete transcend his sport. what do you see? the idea of seeing the greatness, it's hard to not respect it. >> yeah. he's in what his 20th year now? he came into the league as a young 18-year-old fresh out of high school. he played his first game in sacramento. we came into professional sports at the same time. i have been out of the nfl for ten years, and he's still playing. to me, that's mind boggling. it's a testament to his work
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ethic and craft and working on his craft and really just committing himself to not only staying physically fit, but you have to stay mentally fit. the way he eats, the way he gets his rest, all that is important just as a professional athlete in general, but to have sustained consistency and greatness for so long, that is something that's really special. >> i wonder if he has that tom brady diet. i wonder if the fountain of youth is -- it's always hard to get laker tickets in some places. something tells us they're going to be higher prices in anticipation of this extraordinary event. thank you both. everyone, it looks like they're spreading love and affection. this iranian couple dancing in taiwan's main square, but they were charged with spreading corruption and vice. and now they have been given lengthy prison sentences. prison for dancing. that story next.
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as part of the ongoing severe crackdown on dissent by iran's hard-line regime, a young couple has been handed a lengthy prison sentence for dancing in the main square in tehran. this is the video that got them into trouble. it shows the woman dancing without her compulsory head scarf. a source says, they were arrested by security forces days after, they posted a video. on social media. a human rights groups reports they've been sentenced to ten and a half years. charges spreading corruption and device and disrupting national security. iran's judiciary says, they got a five year sentence.
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countless iranians have been arrested, some executed, for taking part in nationwide protests, following the death of a young woman in police custody late last year. she was accused of not covering her hair. these days, many american aspects of american politics seemed to erupt into a war of words. what about the war over words? is the battle over language alienating people in an attempt to be inclusive? my next guest says, that looks to be exactly the case.
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