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well, the so-called war on woke is heating up. arkansas' governor may sign a bill that would impose restrictions on drag shows. that's according to "the washington post." this proposal has to make its way through the statehouse and the governor's desk. but the spokesperson says the proposal is not about banning anything, but protecting kids

from sexually explicit drag shows. cnn reached out for comment and are waiting to hear back. that's not all. in her first month in office, she issued an executive office to prohibit critical race theory in arkansas schools. and she banned the term latin x. it's not just her. across the country, more politicians are getting traction with rhetorical and legislative wars on so-called woke culture and language. i want to turn to nicholas kristof. he has a new piece out on these language wars and writes, in part, i fear that linguistic contortions, however well-meant, aren't addressing our country's desperate inequities or achieving progressive dreams but rather are creating fuel for right-wing leaders, aiming to take the country in the opposite direction. nicholas kristof joins us now on this conversation.

i'm glad you're here. a thought-provoking pe ing colu one that people have been talking about. what is the goal with all of the new words? it's so be inclusive, of course. you fear it might be alienating some. >> i have the opposite perspective of governor sanders. >> we are having a little hard time with your audio. i want to get that fixed. i want to make sure we hear your position. it's a thought-provoking piece. and not what former president barack obama had to say in a podcast a few months ago before the elections. talking about the idea of good intentions leading to some kind of alienation. i have you back. what did you want to say? >> yeah. i come at this from the opposite perspective of governor sanders. i think we should be inclusive.

i think we should be prepared to think about our language and use it in a way that obviously doesn't dehumanize anybody. i think we've gone overboard. yeah. you mentioned -- you raised the term latin x. okay. 3% of latinos use the term latin x. representative richie torres, an afro latino. said maybe this is more the agenda setting of white leftist than of working class latinos. i'm speaking to you from work. and there's a lot of americans who, instead of feeling included, feel excluded. feel that the gap between well educated liberals, often urban liberals, who are crafting the new terms, is excludeing them. and they don't know where to

tread. and they resent it. that makes it more likely to vote against economic interests and vote for somebody like governor desantis. comieing at this from a liberal our efforts to be inclusive have been counterproductive. >> is there a way to course correct? i know on one of the examples you write in this about the -- you talk about being a gift to say a governor ron desantis, the idea that people want to go in a direction that might be contrary to what the stated interests have been because they want to get away from the feeling of walking on eggshells. you write about a recent tweet, very interesting, from the associated press style book, by the way. we recommend avoiding general and often dehumanizing labels, such as the poor, the mentally ill, the french, the disabled, the college educated. the french one stands out, as

odd in and of itself. they ended up deleting this tweet. what was the goal of the first place of this style book section? >> you know, i mean, i think they had a concern the way the is used in ways that are pejorative. if somebody says the jews or the blacks, that sounds kind of like throat clearing to something bigoted that will come next. that's less true of the college educated a and not true of the french. >> well, might be. depending on who is talking, i don't know. i don't know if it was used in context for people. but idea. >> you know, and i guess i wish that we would spend less time fussing over linguistic rules and solving problems. on the west coast, we have an enormous problem with unsheltered homelessness. and the places in the country

that have come up with the greatest linguistic response, you know, people experiencing homelessness, houselessness, et cetera, are the places that have the greatest homelessness. and i have friends who are homeless. they appreciate the concern. they appreciate the inclusiveness. but what they want isn't new terms. what they want is housing. i wish that we would focus more on actually solving some of the practical problems. that would be better for the people we're trying to serve and for actually winning votes. you know, in the next election. >> you illustrate the idea of form over substance. more clputting lib stick on a p. thank you for the thought provoking piece. i want to bring in van jones and scott jennings, here to the

conversation. want to bring you in first, van. scott, only because i don't want to talk about lipstick on a pick thinking you have a pig. he has a pet pig. van, i begin with you instead. is nicholas kristof right? are some on the left undercutting their own messaging by going what they believe to be too far? >> yes. yes. >> now, for scott. >> obviously so. i think scott and i will be in violent agreement tonight. i understand that there are people who are concerned about the status quo and they are worried that some of the ways we talk might be the old language might be codifying the old attitudes. they want new language to signify new attitudes. but it's gone so far that it's a

joke. it's a parody of itself too often. even people like myself who are passionately committed to causes, you're afraid to even talk on a zoom call because you might say the wrong word and say 15 minutes being lectured how something that nobody had heard of six months ago is now required speech in polite company. and it's a distraction from getting anything done. >> how does that in your mind translate how an electorate might proceed. how barriers and guardrails are in place, in the private sector and in your individual lives. how it tran lslates for voters,s this problematic for democrats, incumbents or liberal-minded? >> are you asking me or scott? >> yes, van. >> listen, we are handing a big, fat gift to the right because before they can get -- you don't

get a chance to engage with the issues and what's going on with people that don't have houses and people being left out because the language is so crazy, you can make fun of the sites. whatever the people are talk about, they have too much time on their hands. whatever people are talking about, they are not like me and you. they have this much time to come up with people that were assigned female at birth. if you have that many syllables to fire at the word woman, you have more time on your hands than i do. and it creates a cultural gap between the democratic party and a lot of voters, which is not necessary. >> scott, on that point -- i want you to weigh in. there was a group of democrats, by the way, who were in connecticut, who are the latest politicians calling for a ban on, for example, latin x, that term on official documents. you have the arkansas governor doing something similarly. there's democrats that are so-called against the language

wars that van is eluding to, as well. how do you see this, scott? >> on the electoral impacts of this. look around the country. look around middle america. look around rural communities. you don't see many elected democrats anymore. i'm in kentucky tonight. and about the elected democrats left in office, other than the governor, they are clustered around the urban areas. that's true in a lot of states between the coasts. and a lot of it has to do with this language war that you're talking about and the implications of it that van is eluding to. when you speak like this and you don't sound like a normal person talking about normal, everyday stuff, you sound like you're searching for problems to make up and you're using language that sounds foreign, like a foreign language to people out in the middle of the country. it is a total barrier to political communications. how can i listen to what you have to say about whatever the problem of the day is when

you're using a language i don't recognize. i don't wear this hat very often. if i was putting my democrat strategist hat on, this is one of the biggest problems their party has in rural america right now. you can have all of the greatest policy ideas in the world, but the cultural language problems and some of the invented issues, i think and catering, frankly, to a fringe, trying to push this on the rest of us and make us feel like we're taking crazy bills, a major barrier. it will be a real electoral barrier. >> obviously, we're talking about this in very wide terms. it's a wide and broad to think about the determines we're speaking about. there will be those that agree that terms will seem foreign generationally. there's certain terms that are being used or asked to be used, that would honor someone's identity or their connectivity to the world around them. and is it so unlike say the

transition from words of black to african-american? is it so unlike the conversation that we've had overtime about how we address changes in the way that we view our society and we codify, use our language, van, to really codify some of the transition and the evolution of thought? is it problematic to have a language that matches the way in which our moral compasses point at this point? >> this is tricky stuff. you don't want to give aid and effort to people who actually, you know, hate poor people or despise poor people or don't care about transgender kids or gays and lesbians. you don't want to give aid to those folks. i'm talking about the people who care. people who care but may be speaking in ways that are confusing or alienating or come

across as morally superior or intellectually elevated that other people feel left out. to fight alienation, you can create alienation. to fight exclusion, you might create exclusion. that's the moral hazard of moving things forward. we have to take the moral hazard. those of us that do care, i don't want to make it harder for us to deliver justice. but the way we're talking can be a barrier. every generation is going to say, we want to do it differently and say it differently. you have a generational friction. that's okay. we'll get through it. it's not like it's only on one side. if you don't agree with us on this term that we came up with six months ago, you're a bigot. that implication is dangerous and unfair. >> who is doing that, scott? >> do you see that happening? i ask scott. and the idea, taking a step back. we're talking about in very broad terms all of the terms, so

to speak. i would note that the associate press having a style guide against the word the. using the terms out there, scott. is this in and of itself a talk point where it seems as though everyone is being attacked and tarred and feathered because they use a wrong term or one that is not the international zeitgeist? or is that a talking point that suggests that you would be targeted. the fear tactic, of what might happen as opposed to reality? >> i think van is exactly right. van and i don't agree on everything. but we had a lot of conversations where we do agree. he's sometimes where i am. and having conversations where you try to talk across party lines or ideological lines. sometimes you feel like you're walking on eggshells because you don't know what you're going to say that could totally derail a meeting or derail what is

otherwise something that's going on in a positive direction. i know people in corporate settings feel that way. they're walking up and down the hall wondering if h.r. is going to knock on the door. step on a college campus with a conservative world view and you're worried about opening your mouth. lot of con servetives think there's a group of people that is looking to target those that don't fall in line with the recent zeitgeist. if you don't hop on board, they make you look like you're a racist or a bigot. and that's not true. this targeting is a real fear and it's happening. >> i love that we can be nuanced here. two things are happening. on the one hand, you do have people -- i had the experience of saying the wrong thing and the meeting is derailed and you didn't know the new term.

also, you have people like governor desantis, that's using this and taking it and using it as a political weapon for his owner. s. i don't think he believes or cares about anything. it is a new talking point for some on the right, to get something going. two things can be true at the same time. on the right, be careful. on the left, be careful because you're being highfalutin and sounding right than doing right. all of us as we get to a new society is going to have to be careful and listen to each other. >> let's see if the political campaigns appreciate the nuance you're speaking with tonight. thank you both, gentlemen. if you think the next presidential campaign is going to be smooth sailing. i have a bridge you might like to buy tonight. the battle for 2024 is heating up. we'll tell you who is angling to get into the race. nope. all in one and done. cuh-congestion? better. cough?

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here we are, only about a month into 2023. and there's signs the battle for next year's presidential election is already heating up. more republicans now eyeing a run against the scandal-plagued former president donald trump. but trump is already hammering the man who could be his toughest competition. >> ron desantis got elected because of me. he had nothing. he was dead. he was leaving the race. he came over and he begged me. begged me for an endorsement. and there were tears coming down from his eyes. if you endorse me, i'll win. >> i really want to know if that's true. i really want to know if that was true. joining me now, ashley allison, former national republican senatorial aid, and margaret tolliver from syracuse university.

desantis has not thrown his hat in the ring yet. he's being targeted by donald trump, even after news that others are thinking about doing and going into the race. what does this tell you about the offensive on desantis by trump? >> donald trump knows who his biggest rival looks like right now. but desantis is not only the target of trump's warm-up activities. he's going against nikki haley. and it will be two weeks before she throws her hat in the ring. >> calling her disloyal. >> throwing some shade at pompeo. a little at mike pence. at a minimum, trying to get everyone who might jump into that race to understand if they come after him, he is going to set them on fire. and in fact, when pressed about whether he would support a nominee other than him, he is not saying he will. it is, again, raising that specter of is donald trump going to be in a position where if he's not the nominee, he's going

to set the party on fire? that's a year from now. in the meantime, it is, he's very clearly trying to set boundaries. he understands he will have rivals in this race. but he wants them to behave and turn against each other and save some of the fire against him. >> i want to play the moment you talk about. when trump was speaking about not supporting the nominee if it were not him. listen to this. >> if you're not the nominee, would you support whoever the gop nominee is? >> it would depend. i would give the same answer i gave in 2016, during the debate. it would have to depend on who the nominee was. >> groundhog day, liam. here we are on this point. if you're governor desantis. and you're one of the people that trump is targeting, you might want to give yourself a pat on the back that something is going right for you that you are perceived as a rival, right? >> i think the desantis team is seen as the key rival.

they've frozen this field in a lot of ways. people expected you would have more people joining the battle. everyone is waiting to see not only whether desantis gets in but when he gets in, how he attacks this and how he is received. he's been built up in a lot of ways by a lot of right-wing media, to a lot of the voters. and there's going to be a moment when people see what they're getting is what they've been promised. that right now, the campaign to be is deliberately, carefully. running a campaign that's a lot like the george w. bush campaign in 1999. r road testing these things. doing a book tour. and people coming to tallahassee to kick the tires. but not engaging where donald trump can get at him. and it shows a level of desperation and fear coming from the trump camp, that they're trying to engage him already. >> speaking of trump, his former press secretary is now the governor of arkansas.

now named the state of the union address. what is that telling you that she was chosen, not say a desantis or anyone else? >> i think traditionally whoever does the response is a rising star but not someone that would necessarily decide they would run in the most upcoming election for president. i think it also says a lot about the republican party. you know, let's not forget the era of sarah huckabee sanders, lying to the american people, when she was the spokesperson for the sitting president, as press secretary. and now, as governor, one of the first things she did was to ban being able to say latin x in her state. kind of playing to the red meat that the base wants to do. this republican party picks her to say, she's not trump, but she's not a nontrump person.

we still are the party of trump. she is an up-and-coming star. her name is well known. it sends signals that if he is the nominee they will fall in line, that many people might not risk their political capital to really go into the 2024 primary and pick a candidate. it's telling to me the republican party in the future is aligned with trump. >> we'll see what happens with all of it. stick around. we have more to talk about today, including the opioid epidemic that has plagued the united states for decades. now, a new front in the drug war. a new investigation alleges some f pharmacies in mexico, including border towns that are frequented by americans are selling pills that are legitigegitimate medic but laced with fentanyl.

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the trafficking of illicit drugs made to look like prescription pills is exploding in this country, leading to a rising toll of overdose deaths. the number of pills the dea confiscates every year has skyrocketed from over 2 million in 2019 to, get this, more than 50 million last year alone. nearly all the pills contain fentanyl, the deadliest drug in the united states. cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta was given access to a lab where the dea tests illicit drugs.

>> over 90% of what we see conta con contain fentanyl. >> that's mind numbing. >> for an example, these are some that have the same "m" and 30 on the other side. >> if you look at what is real here, and the rainbow fentanyl, they are not trying to disguise this. this is clearly fake. if you look at this, 800 grams of fientanyl, that turns into 400,000 to 500,000 lethal bills. one bag, 400,000 to 500,000 lethal doses. >> unbelievable. an investigation by "the l.a. times" has found that pharmacies in several mexican cities including popular tourists and border towns are selling counterfeit prescription bills c pills selling legitimate drugs.

conner sheets is a reporter for "the times" and joins me now. it's stunning to think about it. looking side-by-side, that dr. gupta pointed out. you and your colleague tested pills from pharmacies in three different cities. what did you find? >> we tested pills in cabo san lucas and in tijuana. we tested 17 pills that we bought at a number of small pharmacies. 71% of them tested positive for an illicit substance. in all of the cases we're talking about, opioid pills, such as vicodin, percocet, oxycodone. pills that were being sold, were coming up positive for fentanyl. and pills being sold forred a ral, 100 came up for meth also.

>> i remember hearing the stories with people on this show, as well. people who mistakenly thought they were taking one drug and taking another, instead. and it's been fatal. there's pharmacies in mexico that sell a variety, that would have a prescription if it were sold in the united states of america. walk me through how easy it would be not only to get this but how would someone be able to understand or know, identify themselves, what they're getting is legitimate or fentanyl? >> yeah. there's no way to know whether what you're getting is legitimate or fentanyl other than testing it. there's test strips that know that people will be using drugs. if you use test strips, it will tell you. they look like covid test strips. and they can tell you immediately if there's a trace of illicit substance. it won't tell you the concentration. it will be in there. as far as how easy it is to get,

we walked down some of the main areas in cabo, that is a popular tourist destination. and tijuana, that people go to tourism, for the red light district, for eating, going out at night, and almost walked into random pharmacies to some degree, other than the large chain pharmacies. most of the pharmacies we went into were selling these pills. >> the pills are likely coming from mexican cartels. i wonder about the crackdown being more and more apparent. i wonder what is different about the american pharmaceutical supply chain? are we able to know that what we think we're getting is what it ought to be? >> yes. that's a question that i don't know the answer to. we would hope that the fda is doing its due diligence that the drugs we're getting at a pharmacy are legitimate.

these are drugs that didn't require a prescription. they were being sold individually over the counter. you know, we actually think they might have been targeting tourists because some of these c cost as much as $35 a pill. if you're a work person in mexico or the united states, $35 a pill is a steep price. so, this is probably people that are coming in for weekends, pa partying, those things, or studying, whatever. it's really an interesting situation. >> it's devastating to think about. it makes us that much more aware, conner. thank you. more than 100,000 people a year are now dying of drug overdose in the united states. the majority from opioids, according to the cdc. and around 1 million have lost their lives to overdoses since the opioid crisis began 20 years ago. now, "american pain" reveals the

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disney is embarking on a whole new world. the company partnered with creative soul photographcy to launch the creative soul collection. it's hitting shelves tomorrow. on the left, you see the images of young black girls dressed up as the characters on the right. you have the doll embodiment of the figures. the collection is based on creative souls reimagining of

what classic disney princesses would look like through a diverse lens. the dolls will pay tribute to tiana, snow white, and they are based on the artwork and the vision of the visionary next guests. the founders of creative soul photographt y regis and karen betancourt, who join me from the walt disney world resort. i am glad you're with uls s tod. i love your work. >> thank you for having us. >> i have a 10-year-old son and 8-year-old daughter. and i once was the age of these little girls. and i think about what this would have meant to see this imagery. talk to me about what motivated you to do this initially. >> yeah. we are creative soul photography

as you mentioned. we've been photographing kids around the world for over 13 years now. one of the things that we noticed was that, you know, there were so many negative stereotypes of kids of color around the world in the media. and we wanted to change that. we wanted to just provide a positive take on kids of color around the world. and we have been doing that for years. and when we had the opportunity to work with disney, to create dolls bailesed off of our photographs, we were so excited because we knew the impact that would happen on girls around the world, just being able to see themselves reflected in something as classic as the disney princesses. we were superexcited about the opportunity. >> it's beautiful. i can't stop looking. i'm looking at you and at the screen. everyone is captivating and mesmerizing to see. and just the genius behind the

wardrobe selection, the choice of color, the hair, the styling of it. it's so unbelievable to look at and look at the photos side-by-side. when you started out doing photography, did you expect that your photography would evolve into this level of social commentary? and the idea of people seeing themselves in the work? where are you now thinking about this now, regis? >> oh, gosh. i never thought we would be here at all. we do what we love to do, which is photograph kids. use our platform to give them a platform. and raise their confidence and all of that good stuff. that's my selfish part of that. i love seeing that. i never thought this would take us here. >> right. >> we just actually showed our moms the dolls. and we just reminisce about the fact that she is so excited.

and the fact that we started in my mom's garage, right? and now, to have her see, you know, these photographs becoming dolls and disney princesses, it's been an amazing feeling. >> we're seeing boys, now. we're seeing little boys on the screen, as well. not just for the girls. my son is like, that's great. what about me? what about me? >> i know. i know. we hear a lot. >> you matter. you matter. >> yes. absolutely. the dolls will be available starting tomorrow. >> tomorrow, yes. >> i want to see them and hold it in my hand and show and showcase it. what a beautiful moment to have a vision realized and be tangible. and then, be accessible. that really, in many ways, is the beauty of art. what does it matter if it's going to be inaccessible to those that most need to see it? >> correct, yeah.

i think that's the one thing that i'm excited about. i'm most excited to see, you know, the kids' reactions to seeing the dolls. you know, i think, you know, these are special edition. they rl going to be made available at the shop disney website and at the disney parks. and so, we are superexcited about kids being able to see these. when i look at these dolls, you know, we just can't stop tstarig at them. the details, we did the unboxing of them a few minutes ago. we literally cannot stop looking at them. just the details of the hair, the clothing, the fabrics. disney worked with us to collaborate on every piece of this collaboration. down to, you know, hair textures and skin tones. we wanted to make sure we had a broad representation. we felt it was important for kids to be able to see

themselves reflected in the series. >> not only kids. i'm excited for adults, too, you know. never got to see this kind of representation in our lifetime, you know what i mean? this is amazing. >> i'm superexcited. >> now i won't be ashamed when i have one, too. and i have it there. i love it. >> we heard from plenty of adults that are going to have these. >> you're sitting at the walt disney world resort. they're appealing to the kid in all of us. why not have that be there and as broadly represented as possible? this makes me proud to see as a mommy. i can't wait to share it with my children. moms and dads everywhere always want something where a child that envision themselves in a creative space. and to have that visionary foundation is so important. thank you both. >> thank you so much for having us. we're superexcited. you know, we will be at the

festival of the arts tomorrow at epcot. and so, we will be doing doll signings and book signings and we are superexcited about the launch and for people to actually get these in their hands tomorrow. i can't wait. >> i love it. congratulations to you all. and thank you so much for being here tonight and being visionaries. >> thank you so much for having us. thank you all for watching. i'm going to go find my tiara somewhere. our coverage continues. buried in receipts, invoices and other paperwork that's preventing you from doing what matters most? then get the all

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