with us. a chinese spy balloon is hovering evover the united stat high above montana where the u.s. military has a u.s. nuclear siel le. the pentagon says it does not pose a military or physical threat. we are told the balloon is the size of three buses. a senior defense official says president biden has been advised to not shoot it down because the falling debris could hurt people on the ground. the discovery is rattling capitol hill. we are learning that staff members for the gang of eight are have received a briefing. joining us is our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. good morning. wow. >> listen, slow moving chinese surveillance balloon floating over the continental u.s. is disturbing. last night it hadn't left u.s. airspace. so far, first of all, this is an image from the ground. it was visible with the naked eye, flying 65,000 feet, twice

as high as commercial aircraft but lower than surveillance satellites. the size of three buses. two flights were diverted for safety. military leaders considered but ultimately decided against wthe president's decision to shoot it down. but the idea that was under conversation shows how seriously u.s. officials and the president were taking the idea of a chinese spy balloon floating over the u.s. you mentioned what it was flying over. >> right. >> montana. the air base, has icbms there. something that china would naturally be interested in taking a closer look at. >> it happened before? >> it happened over u.s. territory before. here is something i want to note in terms of surveillance capabilities. this was not a big jump in what china is able to do. why? because china is flying spy

satellites over the u.s. after 90 minutes as they orbit the earth and they have at least equal surveillance capabilities. they are highly advanced. in terms of what china could gather from this balloon, not an enormous step forward. and we should note this. this is something to be concerned about, is that china is one of the most active in terms of launching new satellites. just look at the growth going back six single digits in the 2000s, now up close to 100 per year. the only other country competing with that is the u.s. when you add it up in terms of satellites, china is second to the u.s. in terms of what they have floating above there right now. all looking down at the u.s. gathering intelligence all the time. i spoke to u.s. officials last night. this is note a big gain in terms of surveillance but it is in terms of audacity to fly a slow-moving sushz balloon over the coulntinental u.s. and know that the u.s., the president, you and i could see it as it's

happening. >> and just before the secretary of state antony blinken goes to meet with high-ranking chinese officials. certainly going to change the discussion there. jim. >> absolutely. and by the way, as you know, those decisions are not made by accident. you consider that perhaps a message to the u.s. secretary of state as he prepares to go to beijing. >> thank you. joining us is the former defense secretary under former president trump mark esper. thank you for being with us here this morning. i guess the number one question i have is when the white house makes the decision not to shoot it down, do you agree with that decision? what kind of options do they have here? >> well, first of all, i am surprised by this. i think it is a brazen act by the chinese to do this. we were just talking about whether or not it has more or less intelligence value than what they currently have. i don't think we know. and so my interest would be not necessarily shooting it down but bringing it down so we can

capture the equipment and understand what they are doing. are they taking pictures? are they intercepting signals? what are they doing and what is the level of technical capability? it will tell us about what they are trying to learn and what their capability is of doing that. failing that, i would definitely shoot it down provided there is no risk to people on the ground. >> so you are surprised that this is hovering over the continental u.s.? >> absolutely. not just the continental united states, but our missile fields and our strategic bomber bases. so that's great concern that they are collecting intelligence. and they, obviously, are looking for something, they need information that i would assume they can't get through satellites. i would be interested in get a hold of this, whatever the payload is, and understanding exactly what they are looking for and why. of course, it gives us a sense of their level of technological capability. the chinese have been spying on us for decades.

to me this is a brazen act. so at the political level we have to push back, defend american sovereignty and we have to make clear to the chinese that we are not going to tolerate this. >> is that your sense of why it would be flying over montana, because of that air base that maintains and operates these intercontinental ballistic missiles? >> that would be my guess. until we know what type of strumtation they have in the payload, we don't know. there are things we do in that part of the country. again, that's the intelligence level. at the political level we have to send a strong message back we won't tolerate this behavior. maybe there is a counterintelligence value. there is always more than meets the eye. i wouldn't be privy to that now. i give the pentagon some room here. but those are the big questions that i think people should ask, members of congress should be asking as they zig into this further. >> what kind of options does the u.s. have for responding,

sending the message that you think they should send? >> well, again, first either capturing the equipment or shooting it down with be a strong message. we should increase our activities as well. recall when speaker pelosi visited taiwan last summer. the chinese ramped up their crossings of the taiwan center line with ships and aircraft and i never got the sense we responded forcefully back. you have match the chinese head-to-head. we acc self-deterred and let the chinese communist party push us around. we need to show that when we are facing off against beijing. >> yesterday we heard from the pentagon and they say this has happened before during the last administration when you were defense secretary during that time period. were you aware of this? how was it resolved? what can he will tell us about is that? >> i read that. i was surprised. i don't recall somebody coming

into my office or reading anything that the chinese had a surveillance balloon above the united states. >> you would, obviously, know that if that happened when you were defense secretary? >> i would remember that for sure. my focus was on implementing the national defense strategy to take on the chinese as the greatest strategic threat facing our country. i was keen on everything chinese. we set up a red cell within the pentagon to deal with it, we reoriented the military's doctrine and how we train and fight. all these things focused on the chinese. i would be curious as to why chinese surveillance balloons were overflying the united states. that would have caught my attention for sure. i don't recall it happening. >> if you were at the pentagon and this happened at the secretary of state was about to go on a trip to china, what would your advice to the secretary of state be? cancel the trip? first thing they bring up? >> i is suspect secretary pompeo shared my views with regard to china. i don't know how we would have reacted. sometimes you call off the trip

or sometimes you go prepared to give a very, very strong statement of china violating our sovereignty. there are different ways to approach it. it depends on the broader dynamics. i think the pentagon made a good move with regard to expanding access to philippine bases. h and it's very good that we have done that because it allows us to address military -- chinese military capabilities in case war breaks out. >> so you think -- >> in the indo-pacific. >> do you think blinken should cancel his trip? >> that's an option that should be considered. i think we need to know more. we need to assess what is happening in the broader contest. curiously, the chinese are not denying it. they are saying, we would never violate someone's sovereignty. the way they are playing this is curious as to me as well. >> what does that say about they

would take an act as brazen as this? >> it's not well. the relations are not good, haven't been for some time. in the months leading up to xi jinping's seizure of a third term as chairman of the party last october. but they are not getting better. he has tried to change his tact a little bit, realizing chinese foreign policy isn't playing well in the international community. i don't think we should be fooled by what they are doing. they have an aggressive plan to build a modern military over the next decade and they state thad their aim by 2049 is to dominate the indo-pacific if not the global order and change the rules and norms. that's their grand strategy. we need to do everything to push back on this to try to change their behavior. >> former defense secretary mark esper, thank you so much. really important perspective on this. >> thank you. . >> it really was fascinating perspective.

>> and to say that he has no idea what the pentagon is talking about that it happened -- >> on his watch. >> yeah. >> it is. turning to the arctic, dangerous cold blast coming from the northeast. this. >> it is going to be a brutal weekend forecast. you see the extreme cold could be ep sick, once in a generation with windchills dropping to 50 below zero in some parts of new england and more than 15 million americans under alerts. >> as the northwest is hunkering down for what could be the coldest temperatures in decades, how can you keep yourself and home safe? our next guest knows a thing or two about winterizing homes. they transform old cabins into scenic hits on the discovery plus show "maine cabin masters". >> we have the lovely skating rink here today at the y camp. >> we thought we had winter beat, but unfortunately we lost. snow came in over the weekend. eight inches to a foot of snow.

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ukraine, but as every month goes by he runs a greater and greater risk of losing the territory that he has illegally seized from ukraine so far. >> i want to bring in the former european affairs director at the national security council retired lieutenant colonel alex vin man, the author of here right matters an american story. thank you so much for joining me this morning. good to talk to you. i wonder what you made of the assessment from the cia director. >> i think that the ambassadors and director's assessment is very, very good. my question is, what are we doing to make this very critical next six months increasingly difficult for vladimir putin. the fact is that this next six months the russians are going to potentially start another offensive, take more territory. the ukrainians are going to have to blunt that attack and move on the offensive and start to take territory. these slow flows of tanks, the

fact that we are providing abrams and they won't get there for six months is not sufficient. signaling those tanks coming just to release the german leopard tanks and other countries providing tanks is not -- that's a what happened in 2008. we signaled we wanted ukraine to join nato and all that did was precipitate russia's increased aggression. we have to take firm action which is provide ukraine the equipment it needs, that includes planes, drones, that includes accelerating the pace of the delivery of these tanks, and that can be done. it's just a matter of will. >> and you said you believe the flow of this equipment and these weapons to ukraine is kind of resulting in this incremental escalation. you write in foreign affairs that western reluctance to fully support ukraine and defeat russia undercuts ukraine's ability to conduct an offends and cause the war to stretch deep into 2023. it seems like you are saying if it they provided more sooner,

this could end sooner? >> that's very true. but i am also concerned about the future. it's not just the fact that we allowed this war to stretch out many, many months more than it needs to be. it's that the next six, nine months are going to be particularly dangerous. we are probably going to face an increasingly erratic vladimir putin where he believes that his crown jewel, the crimea peninsula, is going to be under threat and what actions he takes then. i feel very confident in saying he is not going to escalate to any nuclear options because that would be the end of his regime. that's the point he starts to really seriously consider that option. not just threaten it. not just to use that as a means to get the west to back down, but starts to consider the option seriously. if that's the biggest thing we want to avoid, this potential existential crisis, we need to make sure we don't go this road of incremental escalation and give the ukrainians what they need, the means to threaten the

peninsula and then force putin to negotiate in earnest, like the director of central intelligence said, he is not serious yet. he will absolutely get serious when crimea is under threat and the ukrainians liberate more territory. the sooner we get there, the less chance of escalation and less risk to spill over into a confrontation with nato. >> you think the u.s. should send the fighter jets? >> we should be training the ukrainians on fighter jets. if we keep saying that it takes months and months to prepare the ukrainians for these advanced capabilities, which it does, we should be training them now on the prospect they may need them six months from now. we should have been doing the tank training a long time ago. what disturbs me, symptoms come in without logistical support. all the support that the ukrainians get, they get it outside of poland. everything else is done through what we call telemedicine, you call up and show the ukrainians what's broken on a screen and they have to say, okay, well, we

need these parts and it takes a look time to get systems fixed. supporting a war from 800 kilometers away is unsustainable. we need to provide logistics. make sure parts are flowing in in order to keep these items in service. >> retired lieutenant colonel alex vindman, great perspective. thank you. congressman ilhan omar vowing to continue working for the american people just before house republicans kicked her off the foreign affairs committee. >> my voice will get louder and stronger and my leadership will be celebrated around the world as it has been. >> we will be joined by one of the republican members of the house who did vote against her sitting on that committee next. ♪ ♪are you ready y for me♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪

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for. democrats are accusing republicans of hypocrisy, attacking women of color and seeking revenge. they removed marjorie taylor greene and pole gosar from their committees. green tweeted. in 202111 house republicans joined democrats in voting to strip green of her committee assign pts and one of those republicans was new york congresswoman nicole maliatakis. >> i hold the same standard for this side of the aisle that i do the other. when another colleague on my side said something about 9/11 i voted to have her removed from the education kmirt because i thought that was inappropriate. this is about consistency and accountability because we should not have an individual with those views on the committee that is tasked with representing our country and our congress to foreign nations. >> congresswoman joins me now,

she is on the house ways and means committee. she served on the foreign affairs committee with congresswoman omar in the last congress. thank you for your time. >> good morning. >> you said, quote, america is safer with representative omar off the foreign affairs committee. can you help our viewers understand why you think that is? >> well, i thought she held very dangerous views which she shared on this committee. first and foremost, i sat on this committee when ilhan omar compared israel and the united states to hamas and the taliban. somebody who can't differentiate between terrorist organizations and the united states of america and our great ally israel is a problem on that committee. i also sat on this committee when she was saying that venezuela and the turmoil in venezuela was because of the united states of america. instead, a rightfully putting the blame on the socialism and

communism of hugo chavez and nicolas maduro. another very dangerous viewpoint that when you are on this committee our -- we are representing our country and our congress to other foreign governments. and to have someone on this committee that says those things, plus the fact that she diminished 9/11, the worst terrorist attack on our soil, that to me as a new yorker who rents a district who lost most lives on 9/11 is very disheartening and makes me angry. so i believe that she can be on any other committee, right, but she can't be on the foreign affairs committee representing our nation to other countries. >> congresswoman, to the first point, she did respond since saying that to say i was in no way equating terrorist organizations with democratic countries with well established judicial systems. to the point about antisemitism, she tweeted apologizing this 2019 for some of her statements

saying, quote, antisemitism is real, i unequivocally apologize. at that moment she also voted for house resolution condemning antisemitism and just yesterday before in vote she co-sponsored another resolution condemning antisemitism and calling israel an ally of the united states. would any apology be enough for you to believe she could serve on this committee? >> i mean, the problem is how many times are we going through this? she says things and later apologized when there is such outrage, including from her own party. she apologized after nancy pelosi condemned what she had said. so the problem with her is that it just doesn't end. she apologizes and continues to spew this type of rhetoric. and my colleagues focused on the antisemitism and in my speech i focused on the anti-american comments. you are representing our country, our congress to foreign governments and to have this anti-american viewpoint that you are going to blame our country

for what hugo chavez and nicolas maduro did to their people destroying their country and driving people in poverty, i think that's a major problem. as you pointed out at the beginning of the interview, i have been consistent. i held that standard with eye own side of the aisle. i think this is about being consistent and holding those accountability. >> let's talk about that. you voted against the center of paul gosar despite him posting on social media that anime video depicting the killing of ocasio-cortez and swinging swords at president biden, he did not apologize for that. in fact, he said this. let's play it. >> i did not apologize. i said this video had nothing to do with harming anybody. >> so are you then for consistency's sake comfortable with congressman gosar on the

house oversight committee? >> i actually condemned the video. but the reason i didn't take that vote was because we were seeing how it's all one-sided, right? i at the time, after voting for the marjorie taylor greene vote, i said we need to remove eric swalwell from the intelligence committee, ilhan omar from the foreign affairs committee. ilhan omar for the reasons i mentioned, but eric swalwell, i mean, this is someone who had a relationship with a chinese spy, sits on the intelligence committee, could not get a clearance in the private sector and yet he is on a committee where we are sharing -- they are given secrets that i don't know, because i don't have privy to that information, that the most important secrets pertaining to our nation's security and safety on that committee, he should have been removed then. the fact that the democrats had this -- it's a double standard that they have, not that we have by the way, we said they could sit on other committees. those specific committees. they removed our members, from all committees. >> okay. i'd like to get back to the

question i asked you because you brought up congressman swalwell, "the washington post" has given four pinocchios in their fact check of that claim and a "san francisco chronicle" article cites an unnamed fbi source that says swalwell was completely cooperative and under no suspicion of wrongdoing. the question i asked you about congressman gosar, given that video, are you comfortable with him sitting on the house oversight committee? >> look, he is on that committee, oversight. and i don't think that it's about gosar or swalwell. what i'm s am trying to say -- >> brought it up. >> when the democrats do it it's okay. when the republicans -- by the way, we said that they can sit on a committee. it's just those particular committees that were problematic because of the information they share in the committee and the nature of interacting with foreign entities. >> i want to -- >> and by the way, speaker mccarthy -- go ahead. >> please finish. >> i was going to simply say

that speaker mccarthy and speaker pelosi were briefed specifically about mr. swalwell by the fbi and they had shared concerns about him. so it's probably information that none of us have because it pertains to the intel committee. >> let's stick with the information that we do have. before we move on to the issue of china, where i want to end this interview, i would note that congresswoman omar was the only muslim and the only refugee on the house foreign affairs committee and minnesota congressman dean phillips, a jewish american, tweeted this yesterday. the most dangerous act by elected officials in a democracy is to silence voices of dissent even those with which we fundamentally agree. do you agree a diverse set of views is important on that committee? >> absolutely. look, we should have a diverse set of views. and as a daughter of a refugee, i actually understand the need to have individuals who are understand the turmoil that our

nations around the globe face because we are dealing with a lot of very sensitive issues. again, my problem is when someone speaks anti-american rhetoric on the committee, when they do equate hamas with israel and the taliban with the united states, which she did do, and when you try to blame our country for socialist, the actions of socialist and communist dictators around the globe, it becomes a problem. i think it's easy to understand and i think that most americans would agree with our decision to remove her from this committee considering her views. >> finally, i want to end on this because you just sat on the house foreign affairs committee and we have all of this news this morning about that chinese spy balloon flying over the cou continental united states. roger whittaker, a ranking member of the armed services committee, said he is concerned the dod failed to go act with urgency and congress and the american people deserve more of an explanation. what is your level of concern

over this? >> i think it's very concerning. if you have surveillance of particularly our military assets by a country that is the greatest threat right now to the united states, along with russia, who has, you know, surveillance 90 miles from the shores in cuba. >> this is a concern. and i think this this is why we have established a bipartisan basis the select committee on china to try to drill down on these issues to make us better prepared for the future. it's about them knowing about our military capabilities. it is about them purchasing farmland here in the united states near military installations, about stealing intellectual property and even in new york having a ccp police facility right here in the city of new york to spy on chinese americans, many of those i

represent. and so it is very concerning and that is why we created this in a bipartisan fashion. i am glad that we understand that this threat is real and that it is growing and that we need to work together in congress to address it. >> congresswoman, thank you for your time. >> great to be with you. thank you. this morning the labor department released the january jobs report. you are going to want to see the numbers. they will make your jaw drop. that's next. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus.

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breaking news just into cnn. the january jobs report, the u.s. economy added 517,000 jobs in january. that is two and a half times more than what the street was expecting. i am not going to tell people what you said when the number came out. >> it was a bad word. i said a bad word, which is rare for me. i was surprised. 517,000 jobs added, double what they thought. there are revisions along the way. december was revised higher. you can see that just about every month was revised higher. where they got it a little bit off it was because they undercounted. this is a very, very strong job market and the employment rate

#.4%, ticked down a tiny bit. the government pointing out since the beginning of 2022 there has been no meaningful change in a 50-year low. the hiring was always widespread, led by leisure and hospitality which is apartment of the economy that has been booming as people have shook off three years of kind of restraint and now want to spend on experiences, they want to go out. so this is a really strong number. this is not what you would expect after eight interest rate hikes from the federal reserve. the fed chief jerome powell and company would like to see this market cooling off. wage groundout 4.4%, a little bit lighter than december, but it's still showing wage gains for workers. >> yeah. what did you think? christine said a four-letter word. what's your reaction? >> it's less rare for me to say a four machine letter word. that won't tell you anything, but i did. look, it's surprising.

you know, for months i have been asking where are the workers? all these employers have been talking about worker shortages. i think a lot of people expected that problem would have been resolved. there have been tons of stories about how the axe has been swinging in silicon valley and media, lots of layoffs there, which we don't see in the report. a tiny decrease in information services. but in general, it's like where are the layoffs? i mean, that's a good question to ask, right? that there was this fear that the economy, well, the fed wanted the economy to cool. the fear was that the economy would plummet, he would go off a cliff. that hasn't happened. instead, hiring increasing, unemployment decreasing, wage growth cooling a little bit, still pretty strong. there is a puzzle again of like how is it that the fed has been administering this medicine, these rate hikes that a lot of people feared would, you know, put the economy into a deep

freeze. instead, it seems to be heating up. >> i think bosses say they are worried about a recession this year, planning for a recession this year, but don't want to let go of the workers because they fear more not fileding the people they need when the economy is really, really running again. i think there is a fear in corporate suites about losing workers. >> labor hoarding. >> exactly. you are not seeing layoffs outside of tech and in some cases media. >> does this indicate that the soft land something more real than we thought? >> i think this indicates you could have an economy that slows this year, maybe even slips into a recession, without big job loss. and what is terrible about a recession, factories close, main street pain, because people lose their jobs -- >> the job loss. >> is the job loss. what if you are facing a situation that you have a mild recession this year but not massive job loss? that would almost probably feel better than the terrible inflation people endured for six or eight months. >> depends a little bit what the fed does, right? if this report makes the fed nervous, maybe all of these

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they sure as hell poured gasoline on the fire. they became the largest street-level distribution group operating in the entire united states. nobody put more pills on the streets than they did. nobody. they created a blueprint for how this is to be done and they were operating in broad daylight. >> the scale of this enterprise -- i mean, it was enormous. >> you had addicts streaming in from all over the country, thousands of miles, just to come to florida to get drugs. >> when you see what's going on inside that clinic, your jaw just falls to the floor. >> i had been on the job as a special agent for over 20 years. i've seen a lot of crazy. this was just bat [ bleep ] crazy. >> wow. >> joining us now is darren

foster, the director of the film that you saw there, "american pain." darren, we are so glad you are joining us on this remarkable film because this is such an issue in the united states that does not get enough attention. what i was so struck by was what you heard from people saying about one of these clinics, they would go down there, buy them for $3 a pill from these clinics, go back to kentucky and sell them for 20 bucks and make all of this money. they would even sponsor people to go down there for their doctor's visits to bring pills back to other states. >> yeah, well, first of all, thank you for having me. yeah, the story of "american pain" is basically the story of the greatest drug racquet to hit south florida since the cocaine could you boins of the 1980s. you talk about the profit margins, yes, a pill that could be bought for $3 at a clinic in florida could be sold for ten times that much and the profit margins were so big that people that were typically dealing in traditional street drugs like heroin and cocaine made the sich switch in the mid to late 2000s

to get in on the pill racquet because it was much more profitable. >> i think a lot of the attention rightly so in this price is in america has been focused on the big pharmaceutical giants namely purdue pharma, not as much on folks like this. the fact that you got such remarkable access to them, how did you do it? >> well, i started reporting on this story in 2009, i went down to report on the pain clinics in florida, and at the time there was one clinic that had a reputation of being the biggest and the most prolific dispensary of these drugs and it was called american pain. so i went down there to film the clinic and i got my camera out, i took one shot and the next thing i knew i was surrounded by some pretty big dudes. they chased me down i-95, me and my production crew, and, you know, we got basically -- the police came and broke us up, but as i drove away i wrote down the license plate and then the

license plate traced back to chris george. that was the first time i heard the name, about nine months later chris george and his identical twin brother jeff george would be the targets of a large prescription drug trafficking case in u.s. history. >> and they both went to prison, one of them is out, one is still in, i think, until 2030 is how long his sentence is. you know, what do people see when you talk to them in this film? >> you know, i wanted to tell the story of the george brothers because i thought it illustrated an important chapter in the history of the opioid crisis in america. the rise and fall of the george brothers is colorful, there is a lot of colorful characters in this, but ultimately it's a story about the corruption in the pharmaceutical industry. these are the people that the pharmaceutical industry partnered with to pump out billions of pills to people who didn't need them and basically spawned the opioid crisis. what differentiates the opioid crisis from other drug crises in american history is that it was

made in america. these pills did not some from foreign cartels in foreign lands, they came from american pharmaceutical manufacturers. so even today when we are looking at, you know, people switching to heroin and fentanyl now, which is driving the overdose rates, you know, it was a prescription drug that primed the pump for all of this. >> darren foster, it's fascinating and i'm so grateful that you spent so much time on this because it matters to so many people. so thank you for joining us this morning to preview it. >> thank you so much for having me. >> absolutely. and you can watch darren's new film cnn film "american pain." it will be on this sunday on cnn, 9:00 p.m. eastern. thank you so much for joining us this morning, we have had quite a busy few hours. >> yes. >> i hope everyone has a great weekend. "cnn newsroom" starts right after this break. find your potential then own it susupport your immune system with a potent blend of nututrients and emerge your best every daday with emergen-c

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