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an unacceptable violation of u.s. airspace and international law. >> we know it has the ability to maneuver. >> reporter: the balloon is headed east 60,000 feet and will be over the u.s. for several more days the pentagon says, though officials not confirming its location. >> the public certainly has the ability to look up in the sky and see where the balloon is. >> reporter: the balloon has made its way from where it was first spotted in montana wednesday, down through the middle of the country and sightings in missouri, slow almost scenic route across the heart of america. with current jetstream conditions the balloon could continue eastward along roughly this trajectly in the coming days. in a rare friday night statement china apologized saying it was an off course weather balloon. according to the chinese ministry it is a civilian airship used for research, mainly meteorological purposes. the airship deviated far from its planned course. it's an explanation former

director of national intelligence james clapper finds compel. >> i don't think chinese would expend the political capital here for an intelligence purpose in face of and in contrast to their very capable reconnaissance sal lite that gives them all the intelligence they need. >> reporter: but we've heard the science excuse before from beijing when they tested a missile in 2021 they claimed it was a routine spacecraft experiment. >> they have a massive espionage campaign. this is like tiktok. does anybody trust china? of course not and for good reason. >> reporter: china has spy satellites, but one thing they can't do is loiter over one area like a balloon, key difference here. the pentagon says it'll continually track the balloon as it makes its way across america. with secretary of state antony blinken delaying his high stakes meeting to beijing. >> we conclued conditions were not conducive to a constructive

visit at this point. prc's decision was detrimental for the discussions we planned to have. >> reporter: if you shoot this at 60,000 feet something the size of three school buses could create quite a large debris field, so there is that risk. but they are continuously tracking its movement. and if they decide that the surveillance risk of this continuing to pass over the u.s. increases, they do retain the military option. anderson? >> orrin leiberman, thanks very much. more on the diplomatic show that deepened with china and what the u.s. plans to do next. so blinken delayed the trip. what else did he say about this? >> yeah, well, insecretary of state in orin's piece you heard it right there, he was very clear in saying he believes this was deliberate on behalf of china. he said this was action they chose to take ahead of his visit. and what that means is that the united states doesn't at all buy

the argument that by china this was accidental, that this came into the united states, you know, it went off course and came over u.s. territorial airspace. they believe that china was doing this sort of provocatively. and so he took down the trip calling what they were doing unacceptable. just listen to what he said. >> china's decision to fly a surveillance balloon over the continental united states is both unacceptable and irresponsible. that's what this is about. it's a violation of our sovereignty, a violation of international law. >> and what he also said was that he wants to make this trip to beijing. they plan to reschedule it, but what he didn't say is what conditions have to be met in order for that to happen, and state department officials said they want to go ahead with it. but right now what the u.s. government is really focused on -- the secretary said that today -- is making sure this balloon gets out of u.s. airspace.

and then of course we can turn back to what the diplomatic conversations look like, but this is not a good time for this to be happening. >> is it clear to you the u.s. wants to let it leave u.s. airspace and just disappear or do they -- i mean we talked to some people in the last hour who said the u.s. should not let this get away, it should be steady at the very least. >> a lot of different opinions on this right now and some very, you know, ardent ones, but what u.s. officials are looking at is the reward and risk assessment, right? because if they shoot it down, it could be rewarding in some senses to make sure china doesn't get this intelligence that this spy balloon was collecting, you know, traveling from montana to the eastern coast of the united states but there's also a risk there. you shoot something down as big as three buses and that could harm hundreds of americans, the pentagon said today. so we know these discussions are still ongoing.

they haven't decided if they're going to shoot it down. they've decided against it thus far but it's still an option on the table. >> joining us now dennis walder, currently a professor at georgetown university school of foreign service, also cnn military analyst, former nato supreme ally commander wes lei clark. professor just first of all what do you make of this reporting of a second spy balloon flyover latin america, does it undercut? >> oh, i think it does. the first balloon was unprecedented. we've never seen anything like this before, china sailing something over the united states, a spy nation like this over the continental united states. but to have two of them at the same time when we've never seen anything like this in our hemisphere really leads me to believe that this was very much a planned operation. now, the question is who planned it in china?

and i am of the opinion that there's a case to be made this is a chinese military operation that may not have been very well coordinated with civilian leadership. >> is that possible? i know there have been cases in the past of the peoples liberation army doing something that wasn't necessarily sanctioned higher. do you think that's what's happened? >> i think there is. you know, i've been watching the pla for 36 years, and i've seen this happen before where they want to do something, there's a very stovepipe system in china. the chinese military is hard lined as anybody in china on the united states, recognizance missions near their coastline, they've been irritated by those. i think this may be a sense a pla pay back for what we've been doing. >> general, the balloon was once

seen floating over montana. it was also reportedly seen in missouri, home of the air force bomber fleet. what do you think the value chinese intelligence could be gaining from this balloon is compared to what it could be gaining from satellites? >> they could also gain electronic emissions and this could be important. the spy satellites they're there and they're gone. this balloon is loitering, so we don't know exactly what emissions they're collecting, but presumably they're collecting all kinds of microwave, other electronic emissions. they're looking for radiation signatures on the ground. there's a variety of things it could pick up, anderson. >> professor, how serious do you think this is? >> i think it's very serious if we have a situation where the chinese military is doing things

on their own and people like the chinese foreign ministry have no idea what's happening. china needs to get ahold of its own system. i also think that before the secretary reschedules his visit to beijing, we need to lay down some markers and have some assurances from the chinese this kind of thing isn't going to happen again. >> so professor, you don't buy that this is a provocative act by the chinese government in order to, i don't know what embarrass the u.s. or something like that? >> no, anderson, i don't. and i'll tell you why. the fact that the chinese government came out very quickly and apologized for this, that doesn't make sense in the context as if they were trying to send a big signal to the united states. it's clear that xi jinping really wanted the visit of secretary blinken. he is on a charm offensive right now with the world trying to say that china has reopened for

business. he wants american businessmen back in china, not diverting their supply chains away from china while china's economy tries to get back on its feet. so there were all kinds of reasons why xi jinping wanted this visit. and the fact china moved very quickly to apologize -- which is very interesting. china doesn't apologize. that's just not in their dna. >> general clark, what do you think about that? >> i think it's possible what the professor says. but i'll tell you from my experience, anderson, when i was nato commander and the russians were trying to infiltrate force and take the air base, the russian foreign ministry apologized. they had no idea what was going on, but it was a planned operation. so it's very possible the chinese foreign ministry is sincerely apologizing. it's also very possible they're simply not in the loop what's actually going on and why.

>> general clark, do you think it should be shot down or somehow collected? >> i do. i think we need to take it down. how we do and where we do it, that's a military decision. people are looking at it. if it were up to me i'd be taking it down over the -- when it clears the coastline, and i'd use maybe assets. i think they can do it better and more safely. but, anderson, you've got something up here if it's as big as we think it is, this thing weighs several ton. it's got a heck of a payload. there's no telling what's inside of it. so we'd like to see what's there. >> professor, do you think -- professor do you think there's a lot of value in whatever is in that payload of getting access to it? >> i think it'd be very interesting. i also think that if we see the payload we, of course, will know

immediately whether or not it is a spy satellite, and we'll be able to take that evidence back to the chinese government, and again, extract some conditions and promises on them. so i actually think it's important to get that payload. >> interesting. professor wilder, thank you very much. coming up what republicans will do now they control the house. we'll hear from a jewish congresswoman who spoke out against removing congresswoman omar from the foreign relations committee for anti-semitic comments. and later the new effort to address the problem of homelessness in los angeles where the size and scope of it has been growing for years. will be big. try the new toasted baguettes from panera. one dollarar delivery fee on our app.

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american. the only one on the foreign affairs committee, that is the third largest religion in the world. and we -- in the united states of america. i am just furious we have seen all kinds of anti-semitism from the other side of the aisle. >> congresswoman, i appreciate you joining us. speaker mccarthy said to remove the role of representative omar was not a tit for tat because republicans had removed her from only one committee while democrats had removed marjorie taylor greene from all committees. is that a fair comparison? >> no. first of all, thank you so much for having me. it's just ridiculous. marjorie taylor greene was so -- the hypocrisy is just overwhelming. i mean this is a person who had

advocated violence, was talking about jewish space lasers that were causing fires in california. the vote to take her off committees was bipartisan as well. so i don't know what the speaker now is talking about. the pipockeracy is just overwhelming. >> have you received anything back from your constituents about representative omar? >> oh, lots of feedback. about a million people now have seen what i said on the floor. the vast majority has been popular. people have agreed with me. they think it is wrong for this woman, ilhan omar, to be removed from her committee especially after we have seen the anti-semitism from the other side of the aisle. and now they're saying that she

is not worthy of serving on the foreign affairs committee. the only muslim person on that committee, the only muslim woman worked on that committee for the last two years without any problems. >> so a couple house republicans have said that the move was made not because of her race or religion but because of her past anti-semitic comments. they point to congressman schiff and swalwell were removed from committees. do you believe them that race or religion did not play a role? >> oh, i don't think there's any question that a woman of color, that a muslim woman, that they don't want her on the committee. and the accusation of being anti-semitic after we have seen certainly former president trump talking about how fine people on both sides were in the anti-semitic rally where a woman was killed, when we have seen several members including the current whip -- the new current

whip of the house saying that jews have paid for elections. and even kevin mccarthy himself who said that he thought rich jews were really buying the congress. >> is this a sign of what's to come over the next two years? i mean is this just the beginning for you? >> oh, i don't think there's any question that this republican majority wants to find the games they can play that are going to try and put democrats in a bad position, but i think most people see that this is really fake and phony and that what we have seen over and over from republicans advocating for violence, advocating for insurrection, and now they're going to blame this woman who apologized, unlike any of them ever apologizing for anti-semitic remarks to take her off her committee where she has

served well for two terms in congress. >> congresswoman, thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> perspective now on what republicans have done with their house majority so far and what that suggests what the next two years might look like we're joined by contributor columnist george conway. so congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez said last night on her air omar was being removed out of revenge for kevin mccarthy. a lot of republicans pushed back on that today. do you think that's the case? >> well, it certainly seems that way because it's -- they're certainly not applying a neutral standard here. i mean as the congresswoman pointed out, we have marjorie taylor greene who talked about jewish space lasers, starting wildfires in the west and she once analogized covid measures to the holocaust. i mean this woman greene is on the homeland security committee and she believes -- she once asserted that 9/11 was a setup.

>> the pentagon didn't have -- >> exactly. the notion that she should be sitting on committees and indeed one of the most powerful member of the house of representatives and that omar should be removed is just absurd. and i'm not defending omar and some of the things she said in the past. i mean they were not great things, and she did apologize for them, but still they weren't great things. but you just -- the last people to be throwing people off committees for saying things are the republicans at this point. >> and yet mccarthy was able to get even pretty moderate members of his -- you know, of his party to go along on this. what does that tell you about the next few years? >> well i think because the problem is they can't really ledge s slate. they don't really have a legislative program. i don't think this is all performative. >> and that's what it going to be -- >> that's what we're going to see for the next two years.

they really don't have any constructive to do. they like to talk about they had a vote today about whether you support socialism and like, okay, no one supports socialism. what's the point to that? and they're talking about the budget and spending, well, a quarter of the federal debt was run up during the trump administration. they didn't say much then, so it's just -- it's all just performative and it's sad. >> the george santos thing, i mean it's kind of a sideshow craziness, but it also speaks to mccarthy's need to, you know, keep as much support as he can. >> you know, they got him somehow to quit some of these committees, but the fact of the matter is here's a man who got his office and gained his office through basically fraud. he pretended to be someone he wasn't. and the notion he was seated at all, that he was cultivated so that mccarthy could get the speakership is just an

embarrassment. >> the -- the kicking of swalwell off, the kicking of schiff off the argument mccarthy was making is integrity matters. >> swalwell, it's never been an accusation of what they're talking about, and schiff i mean the real -- the beef against schiff was that he ran the impeachment, the first impeachment. and, you know, he was a patriot in doing that. and here you have, you know, mccarthy talking about honesty, his lie about what he said to his own caucus about -- about january 6th and completely deceptive about -- >> so nothing gets done in the next two years. it's going to be this performative theater? >> it certainly seems that way. >> thank you. coming up while americans watch the sky tonight with the chinese spy balloons over u.s. soil

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we reported earlier on the millions of americans coping with extreme cold tonight, but that is not the only extreme risk the nation's electricity providers have to worry about. our chief law enforcement intelligence analyst john miller investigates the growing number of attacks on america's power grid. they're disturbingly used to carry out and stopping them is difficult. >> all of a sudden about 8:45 about 20 shots fired off right across the street. >> reporter: december 3rd someone shot up two power substations in north carolina. tens of thousands of homes and businesses were left in the dark. >> we don't have a fireplace. >> reporter: it took days to get the lights back on, and so far no arrests. >> the power system is inherently vulnerable, and it may not take all that hi-tech an approach to cause physical

disruption that could have very large consequences. >> reporter: 163 reports of suspicious activity, vandalism, sabotage and physical attacks on power facilities reported across the country last year. >> this is not the boogeyman. a number of individuals and extremist groups online right now have already signaled that this is a part of their playbook. >> reporter: this is one of those play books. with a swastika on the cover. the main thing that keeps the anti-white system going is the power grid, the document reads. this is something that is easier than you think. peppered all over the country are power distribution substations, sitting ducks, worthy prey. it's part of a white power -- with the power off all hell will

break loose. domestic violence extremists dream of striking the right spot which government reports say could cause a domino effect and block out huge parts of the country. >> if you were to target eight or nine very key nodes throughout the united states you potentially could have a collapsing effect. >> reporter: cross-country power lines and substations are usually out of the way places harder to protect. experts say to keep the lights on the grid needs to be more reviliant to attack. key equipment needs to be better protected, and utilities need to be better prepared to fix damaged equipment. but that's not easy. >> it's inherently very difficult to harden or protect at all. no one at the moment has the authority to deal with the entire system, and we need to get that situation fixed. >> reporter: the responsibility is spread between federal

authorities who regulate interstate lines, states, and power companies. >> we woke up at 5:30 and the power was out. >> reporter: amanda clark found out how real the threat was christmas morning. >> we had prime rib and ham, baked potatoes. we had 12 people coming for dinner. >> reporter: police say these two men broke into four substations outside her home in seattle cutting fences and leaving this fire burning that would not just kill the lights but also the burglar alarm so they could empty the cash register at a local business. but so many other attacks on power stations remain unsolved and power infrastructure remains in the cross hairs of domestic extremists. >> there's no doubt in my mind that 2023, this year we're in right now, is probably going to be the most catastrophic when it comes to the uptick of dve attacks on electricity infrastructure.

>> any idea how many of these groups exist? >> well, a growing number. i mean they are the core groups. there's the fire creed division, these things that have these german adaptations that are molded in the nazi theory. there are groups with more generic names like the base, but they all adhere to the same idea which is white supremacy, neo-nazi theory, collapsed society through chaos, form a new government, restore white power. and the grid has become their obsession. >> so what's the benefit of having some blackouts? i mean that's the beginning of the white power revolution or something? >> this is -- i mean this really goes back to charlie manson, right? there's going to be chaos and the race war will start. they have kind of adopted that to if we can cause circumstances that will bring mayhem people will fight in the streets, they'll lose confidence. and they're survivalists, so

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i want to spend some time now revisiting a story we've been focusing on recently, cities attempts to curb the homeless population. there was one shop owner we reported on after video showed him spraying water on a homeless person. in los angeles the newly elected mayor, karen bass, made a campaign promise to solve homelessness in her words. she's recently led an effort to clear away tent encampments on city streets, part of her program called inside safe. the homeless are then housed in motels the city just recently received a $60 million federal grant to help those who are homeless, but the costs of dealing with the problems are huge, and there's question how

many motel beds and suitable housing is available for city where thousands live on the streets. cnn's nick watt has more. >> reporter: nearly 30,000 people live on the streets of los angeles, more than any other city in america. among them -- >> i've had a gun pointed to me. i've had a knife pointed to me. i've been vandalized. >> reporter: this is bad for the unhoused and the housed who live amongst it. >> i'm a caretaker for my mom, and we -- we're locked inside. >> reporter: l.a.'s new mayor karen bass day one on the job declared this a state of emergency. she has a plan. teardown the tents, move the people into motels for an indefinite stay, provide them services, and eventually permanent housing. within two weeks of bass taking office these notorious venice

streets were cleared. before, after. >> much safer today, much safer. i was thrilled. >> reporter: the fact that these, you know, encampments you started so soon after you took office makes me concerned perhaps the back end and the permanent housing perhaps hasn't been thought through. you're getting people off the street because it looks good. >> you know what, i'm going to tell you something. i'm not going to leave people on the street while we're building. people die on these streets. >> it's psychologically damaging. >> reporter: how long were you on the streets? >> i've never really had my own place. >> reporter: now noah has a motel room after decades in prisons and on the streets. do you have any time frame when you might move into someplace permanent? >> it should be soon. i'm wait on documentation. a guy was supposed to bring back my actual i.d. >> reporter: it's a complicated process. robert and ayanna were also moved from a venice sidewalk into a motel.

>> they would walk over and look as if you were nothing, like you are less than. >> reporter: there is a quid pro quo. to get a motel room you must let the city destroy your tent. when do you think you might actually get somewhere permanently? >> i don't know. to me it's a scary thing to think about. >> reporter: why is it scary? >> the point is you're not going to need a tent. >> reporter: but i think people feel scared giving up their only safety net. >> i absolutely understand that. we'll have to examine that. >> reporter: there's another condition. you can only take a couple of bags of possessions with you to

the motel. everything else is trash. some are getting moved 12 miles across town, some are getting moved into motels that don't have blankets, don't have towels. >> oh, i'm glad you mentioned that. again, all of this -- you're watching something being born, okay? so i want to now say to angelinos let's help these people. instead of giving them blankets so that they're warm on the street, give them blankets and towels and hygiene things while they move into the motels. >> reporter: she didn't live in a tent. >> the first night i was in a tent a gay member sliced it with knife and i said i can't live here. >> reporter: and now she's happy to give it up. you'll be happy to get into that motel. >> yeah, heat, walls, a door, a shower. >> reporter: fielding is as optimistic and determined as the mayor to make this work. good luck. she gets a motel room and the

locals get their bike club back. >> the problems, though, are so chronic for many of the people who have been on the streets for so long. they're dealing also with, you know, substance issues, alcohol issues, mental health issues. are those services provided to them at the hotels or motels regardless of whether they're still using or not? >> reporter: anderson, that is the plan. but as karen bass said, this is a plan in motion. they are figuring it out, parts of it as they go. and listen, plenty people have tried and failed to do this in the past. karen bass said she's going to succeed because she knows people. so if she can stop all the bickering between all the government agencies, get a unified approach. and also she says in some ways l.a. has become its own worst enemy. there's so many hoops, so much red tape to build affordable housing, but she says with that emergency declaration she can

cut through all of that. she is determined. she said that she didn't run for congress because she wanted to come back here and get this done. she told me on her priority list homelessness is one, two, and three. if she succeeds, she will win an exalted place in the history of this city, and pretty much everyone wants her to succeed. but people are questioning whether she really can. and, you know, when i was peppering her with my kind of pessimistic questions she said don't be so negative, we can do this. her plan, anderson, in the first year she says get 17,000 people off the streets. and she told me that she's going to get the first batch of people actually into permanent housing within a couple of weeks. so we'll be watching and seeing if she really can make this work. anderson? >> nick watt, appreciate it. thanks. a quick programming note. a new cnn film on the opioid epidemic premieres this sunday. its unique look tracks the rise and fall of two brothers who were identical twins who ran one

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every morning becand i passed h restaurant every morning, every lunchtime, every evening. he always had a little smile. >> reporter: he was featured in a local newspaper and posted selfies on social media. his ego leading to his downfall. his arrest follows that of lionel mes messina denaro /* mateo messina denaro he has been living under police protection since his book was published in 2006. he says it's normal for these bosses undercover to still want attention. >> look at el chapo. he wanted to meet sean penn who he wanted to make a movie about him. al capone wanted to go to the movie set of "scarface." >> reporter: despite these high-profile arrests, there are

dangerous mav josi in hiding. this man has been convicted of murder and mafia association in sicily. he has been on the run since 1998. renato grenella has been on the run since 200 it after convicted of murder, weapons charges and extortion. italy's anti-mafia squad say they are working around the clock to find those still in hiding. and to make sure those recently convicted of mafia crimes don't get a chance to get away. and here in italy anti-mafia police say they will not stop until everyone on the run is behind bars. anderson. >> fascinating. thank you. the best news of the week. our friendnd and former associate and his wife are parents. meet celine. she is beautiful. according to celine's mom and dad her favorite pasttime so far

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