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coming to you live from studio 4 at the cnn center in atlanta, miami michael holmes. coming up, the suspected chinese spy balloon's journey ended by a single missile by a u.s. fighter jet. >> they just shot it. see the smoke coming from it? >> recovery efforts under way at this hour. the incident heightening already tense relations between washington and beijing. and we have all of the angles covered right here. oren lieberman has the view from pentagon. we have reports from the white house and our ivan watson is live in hong kong with china's angry response. we are about to show you the dramatic moment a u.s. side winder missile took out that suspected chinese spy balloon that caused such havoc this
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week. the balloon was so high up, nearly 12 miles or 20 kilometers that it took a few seconds for the shock wave the reach the ground. have a listen. [ explosion ] >> the shootdown happened saturday off the coast of south carolina near myrtle beach. it was a sensational ending to a saga that had been unfolding for days as the giant craft drifted silently above the american heartland. china loudly protesting the shootdown, accusing the u.s. of overreacting. beijing continues to insist it was merely a civilian scientific balloon that blew off course. after studying its movements and patterns for several days, pentagon officials say they're confident it was conducting surveillance. for now, many answers will have to wait until the balloon and its payload are recovered and
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analyzed. at last report we're told the wreckage is lying on the ocean floor about 50 feet down, about 15 meters, and salvage efforts are around way. joe biden says he issues the order to shoot down the balloon last wednesday as soon as possible. here he is. >> on wednesday when i was briefed on the balloon, i ordered the pentagon to shoot it down on wednesday as soon as possible. they decided without doing damage to anyone on the ground, they decided that the best time to do that was when it got over water outside -- within our -- within 12-mile limit. >> cnn's oren lieberman explains what the u.s. plans to do with what's left of the balloon. >> what has been an effort to track this chinese surveillance balloon for days as it made its way across the united states and out in the ocean is now a recovery effort to bring up the wreckage of the surveillance balloon and the payload wit was
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carrying from the ocean floor, not all that deep. a senior defense official says the wreckage land in the 47 feet of water, so relatively shallow, and there were navy and coast guard on set to begin establishing a perimeter and salvage vessel on the way to start bringing up the wreckage. may be difficult to see what's left. it did fall from nearly 12 miles and impacted the water, that may have very well done serious damage to the technology on board. that's what the pentagon and u.s. government will figure out -- what condition it is in and what is salvageable, what can you learn from this now, and what can you glean about the state of chinese technology and what they put on that surveillance balloon? that becomes the effort now. a senior defense official says that didn't just start now, though. over the course of the last several days, the pentagon made an effort to make sure this chinese surveillance balloon couldn't gather as much information as they were looking for, although they wouldn't detail what those efforts
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entailed. instead, they tried to flip the script, monitoring it constantly and tried to learn about it as it traversed the united states. there were days of planning to figure out the best possible time to shoot this down. in fact, it was decided not to shoot it down over the continental united states because of the risk to people and property. instead, that decision was made out over the water. the pentagon and northern command launched f-22s from langley air force base in hampton, v.a., as well as support aircraft and tankers as well. in the end it was a single f-22 that fired a side winder that pierces the balloon, one shot, one kill, breaking down and bringing down the surveillance balloon that we watched as it made its way across the u.s. that is the military side, the diplomatic side as well. the u.s. making it clear they found this unacceptable and considered a violation of u.s. air space, and now we have seen
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the military's response. oren lieberman, cnn at the pentagon. >> cnn's ivan watson is standing by in hong kong with the latest from there. china saying u.s. is overreacting, violating international practice. a lot of people saying how so when it was flight over u.s. territory. you imagine china would have brought down a u.s. balloon flight over its territory. >> it's hard to see what kind of a leg the chinese government has to stand on here, michael. friday, the chinese foreign minute city surprise a lot of people when it announced that it regretted the fact that what it described as an air -- as a balloon, effecteffectively, use primarily for research flew off course and was working with the u.s. to deal with this. now after you've seen the f-22 shoot down the balloon off the coast of south carolina, the chinese foreign ministry changed
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its tune to anger. take a look at this. quote, china expresses its strong dissatisfaction and use of farce to attack unmanned civilian aircraft. the chinese side repeatedly informed the u.s. side that the airship is for civilian use and enter at the u.s. due to force major. it was completely an accident. there are a lot of questions here, though. which company or branch of the chinese government did this balloon come from? as you rightly pointed out, what would china have done if a u.s. balloon or drone was just kind of drifting through chinese air space, forcing the grounding of commercial air traffic periodically for days at a time? the chinese government frequently accuses the u.s. of violating it own sovereignty when warships are operating in international waters in the
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south china sea. this was directly over u.s. air space, visible to the naked eye of ordinary citizens for days it's going to be very interesting to see how china tries to explain the sexistence of this balloon in the days to come. >> absolutely. i wonder, is anything being said about the reported second balloon over latin america? >> we have reached out to the chinese government in writing, asking about this, because we have sightings now from aviation officials in costa rica and from the columbian air force, which put out this statement in sp spanish, of course, saying they're also seeing an object that looks like a balloon. the columbians saying it's above 50,000 feet, which is similar to the altitude at which the balloon over the u.s. was operating and that it's being monitored.
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it does not represent a threat to national security and defense at this time. we have senior biden administration officials telling cnn that they believe that this also is a suspected surveillance balloon from china. so that raises more questions -- what is beijing going to say about this? will it concede it is also one of its own aircraft? and how sis it going to explain if that is true, why these things are flying over other countries' sovereign air space? it's hard not to see this as being somewhat embarrassing to the chinese government right now. i would be -- i would pay a lot of money to be in the halls of power to see who might be getting yelled at right now for this remarkable display involving these suspected balloons now. >> yeah, yeah. and the timing of it as well. ivan, appreciate the reporting there. ivan watson in hong kong for us.
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>> douglas london is a former cia operations officer. he's also the author of "the recruit a, spying and the lost art of american intelligence", somebody well equipped to have this discussion. good to see you, doug. what are u.s. and military officials going to be looking for now that the balloon's payload is down? how valuable might that payload be in an intel sense. >> well, the equipment they discover is going to allow them to do the forensics and deconstruction what the chinese were collecting, what sort of equipment they had. it will be questionable in terms of what they get, but it will give them a sense of the equipment. the ability for chinese to use aerial devices like this is pretty much significant if you think about it. imagine 120 feet -- that's like three buss in length, and imagine what we put on these unmanned aircraft, these reconnaissance craft. now imagine the video, radars,
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environmental samplers that can be looking for chemicals. signals collection pods. it's an array of equipment that has a great opportunity to collect, that's at relatively low altitude compared to satellites. >> the u.s. said they assessed it would have limited added value from an intelligence perspective compared to satellites. why do it, then? were they looking for different things? communication intercepts, perhaps? >> you think about their ability to register callers that are associated with military installations, they could start building up a log of what phone numbers operate there, who the phone numbers belong to. and that allows for operational targeting and also operational and intelligence analysis some besides the ability to perhaps actually collect conversations, which is possible, they're certainly at least collecting numbers and registrations. they're also able to loiter over
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important installations is of great significance buecause satellites are always moving and even when we use unmanned aircraft, they have to circle. here's something that's pretty much on station, and it's a significant accomplishment to that which they're -- >> the u.s. did know this was coming. what would be the u.s. capability to block it from what it was doing in. >> there is some capability if you think about the. j jamming ability we have. so without getting into details, there's some capacity there. i just don't know that we could exactly block everything that might be getting relay in the realtime back to china. >> interesting. to broaden tout issue, just how big is the chinese spy machine in terms of its breadth and capability? this is sort of what you did for a living. >> it's fairly massive, and i'll tell you why you don't just have
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the principle intelligence services, the ministry and tpla, people's liberation army 2. it's the cottage industry in china. they use every ministry, every aspect of chinese society public and private to collect intelligence. you've probably seen in the press reports of civilians from various agricultural institutes in china getting arrested for stealing seeds. their industrial espionage program alone is absolutely massive. it's different in terms of how we operate, how the russians operate, because they really go for a lot of quantity, and they're addressing not just strategic intelligence, but industrial espionage, cyberactivity, influence activity. it's quite an operation. >> there have been intel reports of so-called unidentified aerial phenomenon, which could well be aerial surveillance of some kind. the pentagon's already said
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there have been these kinds of balloons before. i guess it's fair to say the average person, whatever country they're in, have no idea what's being done above their heads, but how often dung cutting edge technology is being used surreptitiously overhead? >> i don't know how surreptitious it is. certainly the chinese made it unsurreptitious. they have the capacity to maneuver. if they wanted to, they could bring it down peacefully. but this was a version of reciprocity for their perception of flying in space we consider international waters in and around taiwan, but they consider their territory. so there might have been a bit of messaging here as well. certainly equipment that, you know, they could take a risk on losing in a worst case, because as you said, the pentagon report shows that these balloons, they're not unusual.
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they generally -- if you look at the track of this, managed to fly outside russia, only when it got to the united states, made landfall. i don't think that's coincidental. >> good point. thank you for the analysis. thank you. >> thank you, michael. quick break. when we come back, the balloon that went across the u.s. is under water. when we come back, we'll take a closer look at the efforts to retrieve its payload.
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order yours now on blendjet.com welcome back to cnn newsroom. quick recap of our top story. the u.s. has shot down a suspected chinese spy balloon over the atlantic ocean after it drifted across america for several days. onlookers near the coast captured the moment it was struck by a single missile from a fighter jetle one official says debris from the large balloon and the platform it was carrying landed in about 47 feet of water. that's about 15 meters, and that should make it fairly easy to recover the debris. the op weigh was approved by president biden earlier in the week, but authorities wanted to carry it out after the balloon was safely over water and away from civilians.
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a south carolina man witnessed the moment the balloon was shot down near myrtle beach on saturday afternoon. local photographer travis hoff stetler said he apsaw what appeared to have a missile strike from the 15th floor of his hotel. >> i came out to get photo and videos of it and didn't realize they were going to shoot it down until right before it happened. you can see the rocket or whatever it was they shot from the plane. you can see it start to separate from the plane, and it was like, man, this is happening right now. as soon as it hit the balloon, you could hear a pop. i couldn't get it on video. i didn't catch it actually hitting it. but you just seen the balloon just kind of explode, you know, it just popped. above it it was like confetti. just looked like confetti, and the rest collapsed and just started floating down. i'm not sure how fast it went, but it looked like it was
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falling pretty slow, honestly. zb >> divers from the u.s. anyway are working to recovery the debris from the suspected spy balloon from the atlantic. sources telling cnn it will then be taken to the fbi lab in quantico for analysis. cnn's tom forearm with more on what they will be doing. >> this is the portion investigators want to get their hands on, that payload, a central core and what looked like solar arrays on either side. when the balloon was destroyed you could clearly see it falling away below. if this had the mass of a human, skydiver, it might be falling at 150 miles per hour, something like that. it if had the mass of a couple cars, terminal velocity might be 500 miles per hour or up from that. that means when it got to this area, the water would be essentially like concrete.
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it would hit it with tremendous force and be absolutely mi misshapen, torn apart, broken up by this impact. what does that mean to recovery? first thing they have to do, get divers down, 47 feet down. that's good. that's a good workable depth. they have to look at this, figure out how many pieces it's in, where they are, assess, figure if some is buried in the muck below and then come up with a list of priorities. what do they want to bring up first? how do they want to bring it up to protect as much of this as they can. these operations are typically longer than most people expect. think of it this way, this is an underwater crime scene and they have to protect it as much as they can to learn as much as they can. u.s./china relations suffering one of the most bruising disputes in recent
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after drifting silently for days above the american hold and causing a great deal of consternation on the ground, a u.s. fighter jet blew a suspected u.s. spy balloon out of the sky on saturday. the balloon had finally drifted out over the atlantic when president biden's standing ord to order to shoot it down. the u.s. navy and coast guard are looking to salvage it from 50 feet or about 15 meters of water off the coast of south carolina. those materials will then be take on a fbi lab for analysis. president biden said he approved to plan to shoot tot balloon down earlier this week. he says the pentagon wanted to wait until it was over water in order to avoid damage to anyone on the ground. cnn's alex hines with the details from the white house. >> reporter: president biden told his top military leaders in
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a meeting on wednesday to shoot down that chinese spy balloon transitting over the u.s. as soon as possible. the president heard advice from military leaders who warned that shooting anything down over land, over ground could pose a risk to american lives, so ultimately the president heeded their advice and wait to have this balloon shot down until it was over the waters on saturday afternoon. president biden was briefed on those final plans friday ev evening, and ultimately defense secretary lloyd austin gave that go ahead shortly after noon on saturday. the president was flying on air force one from syracuse new york to maryland and was on the phone with his top officials as this operation was under way, and here's what he had to tell reporters the about the consideration given do that decision. >> on wednesday when i was briefed on the balloon, i ordered the pentagon to shoot it down on wednesday as soon as
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possible. they decided without doing damage to anyone on the ground, they decided the best time to do that was as it got over water within a 12-mile limit. they successfully took it down, and i want to compliment or aviators who did it, and we'll have more to report on this a little later. >> mr. president, what's your message to china? >> you're saying the recommendation was from your national security. >> i told them to shoot it down. on wednesday. they said to me, let's wait till the safest place to do it. >> reporter: republicans were quick to criticize president biden without taking steps to down this balloon sooner. republicans saying this is a sign of weakness towards china, but the white house pushed back, saying this was a responsible action for a commander in chief to take. arguing what the president wuss trying to do was prioritize saving american lives. now, there are lawmakers on both sides of the aisle who are calling for briefings and
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hearings into this matter. and the so-called gang of eight congressional leaders will receive a briefing from biden administration officials next week as there are so many outstanding questions about how this unfolded. arlette saenz, cnn, the white house. >> let's discuss more with our senior political analyst ron brownstein, also senior editor of "the atlantic". good to see you, ron. politically, what does president biden do now? is this a political gift or a burden? how does he handle this domestically, politically, diplomatically, and so on? >> well, i think diplomatically it is going to be an issue. just another turn of the screw in the several-year process we've seen of both parties moving toward more skepticism of china and hard-line towards china. in domestic politics, the impact is is slight over time. a lot of things can go wrong
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between now and 2024 for president biden, but the idea there's a meaningful number of voters who would really otherwise be open to him that think he doesn't deserve a second term because he didn't shoot down a chinese balloon seems a small number there. what it will do is provide today's fodder for the kind of the outrage machine that republicans will have going full-time 24/7 between now and november 2024. >> yeah. yeah. even though we now know these balloons were out there under trump as well and were not shot down. does that blunt their argument? >> yes, clearly. like i said, there is a demand -- i kind of look at this as an example of the dynamic we're in is there is more of a demand side than supply side for the outrage du jour, especially once you have control of one
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chamber of congress, there is constantly going to be something, always going to be something between now and election day 2024 that is going to cause congressional republicans to erupt in outrage. it just kind of -- there's a demand. something has to fill that spot on any given day, and right now this is the thing that will fill it for the next few days. but i suspect it will not dominate political conversation any longer than the balloon itself lasted over the u.s. i do think it is going to kind of advance that debate, and it isn't a debate at this point. it's really more of a movement in both parties toward a harder line towards china, but i think this is more about providing this week's kpaexample for that existing conservative audience for why joe biden is a failure as president. >> china is sticking with the civilian craft story. that might be true. doesn't look like it according
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to the experts. but regardless, how important is it for the biden administration politically and otherwise to prove the chinese story wrong to get that stuff out of the water and to a fbi lab and say, see, we were right about this. >> that's a really good point. look, again, i think the implications are more significant for international relations than for domestic politics, and i think that will be a very important point that they will want to underscore. there are obviously issues. and i'm sure you've talked to other experts who said, exactly why did they need a balloon traversing the u.s. when they have a satellite system that can -- satellite surveillance, they can presumably achooe many of the same goals. this was a provocative act. it was not something that they had to do. you know, they can argue they're responding to our own spy planes and so forth, but the reality is that in a context in which we have seen both parties move away from where they were under bill clinton and certainly even
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barack obama toward believing that we could coax china into becoming more of a model -- or at least a kind of participant in the international system, or a responsible participant. both parties are extremely skeptical of china. we see it in all sorts of ways. even the inflation reduction act and efforts to move critical materials and production of ev batteries out of china back toward the u.s., and i just think this is something that is going to give more momentum to that cooling toward china, which really now has become almost a fully -- there's still a difference of dre. where republicans and democrats talk about china, but both are moving tours the a harder line. >> also, the timing of the balloon's journey seems even more extraordinary given antony blinken was about to visit, and that was a meeting the chinese wanted. you've got to ask, why do it now? how big of a blunder is this for
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china, and is it leverage for the americans? >> first of all, one party states, close systems, as we are learning again -- or as putin is perhaps learning, are not always the best predictor of how their actions are going to be perceived outside of their borders. they have no experience in trying to manage political debate. they're used to doing what they want and not hearing anything back. so it is hardly surprising, i think, that china miscalculated as fundamentally as this. and yeah, i do think -- joe biden is not bill clinton or barack obama. he did not begin his presidency looking for ways to enhance china's integration into the global system. in many ways he echoed the skepticism of china in a less bellicose fashion than we heard from donald trump. and this, you know, gives him more reinforcement in that
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direction. i think it further marginalizes -- i don't think there's a faction in either party, a kind of substantial faction in either party that's looking to reverse course on china, and this is the kind of thing that will make that even -- reinforce that basic trajectory of our policy. >> great points an always. ron brownstein, always a pleasure. good to see you. >> thanks for having me. dozens of formerly captive ukrainian troops are backh home again. we'll tell you what russia got in return for setting them free. something... huge. where are we? ant-t-man and the wasp have arrived. saving the world from e epic dangers. while we feed the hero in everyone. spend $30 on your next visit to ihop and get a fandango movie ticket to see marvel studios:
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those smiles. that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck. ukraine says around 500,000 people are without power following a technical failure. officials say an odesa substation suffered a malfunction after being damaged. officials are rushing in emergency generators as well. in the east, prorussian officials say one person was kill in the an artillery strike on the occupied part of ukraine. they say the victim was found
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under debris after a ukrainian attack hit an apartment block in the city of donetsk. meanwhile, canada says the leopard tanks it promised to ukraine are on the way. it posted video of these tanks on transport planes. on saturday -- while france and italy are promising an air defense system to be delivered this spring. the pledge came at ukraine's president said this morning -- >> translator: in the course of the 346 days of this war, i often had to say the situation in the front wuss tough and becoming tougher. it is once again that time, the time when the invader is putting more and more of his forces into breaking down our defense. it is very difficult now in bakhmut and other directions. >> ukraine says more than 100 of its prisoners of war are back
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home after the latest prisoner exchange with moscow. it says the remains of two british aide workers killed in the east of the country were also returned. a russian state news agency says more than 60 russian troops were freed by the ukrainians in a deal mediated with the united arab emirates. for the fifth straight weekend, protesters filled the streets across israel. now, this was the scene in tel aviv. thousands more demonstrate in the jerusalem, haifa and other israeli cities. protesters objecting to the right wing government of benjamin netanyahu and a series of planned judicial changes. opposition attended the rallies, including the former minister
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lapede. it's the pontiff's final day in that war torn country. saturday he met with some of the millions of south sudan's internally displaced people. >> reporter: on pope francis' final evening in south sudan, he was able to meet with several hundred of the 4 million internally displaced people in this country. he gave a message which he had given to political leader on friday everyone, that the peace process must be taken seriously, the conflict must end. the future does not lie in refugee camps. the civil war which began in 2013 created the third largest refugee crisis in the world. according to the u.n., over half of those refugees are children, and pope francis heard from a young girl who lived in the camps. she thanked him for coombing and said he'll remember this day forever. and also asked for a special
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blessing which he gave with the two other leaders traveling together. later in the evening, the three participate in the a joint prayer service for several thousand here in the capital city. they represent the three churches to which most south sudanese christians -- dell ya gallagher, cnnnd, joo baa. cnn estimates millions in afghanistan will need humanitarian assistance this year. coming up, save the children tells us what's needed and why the taliban crackdown on women's rights needs to be changed.
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a recent u.s. report says more than 28 million children and adults in afghanistan will need humanitarian support this year. it blames the country's economic col collapse after the taliban takeover. the taliban banning women from
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universities and banning them from working for nongovernmental organizations. after meeting with officials, a statement said they blamed international sanctions on afghanistan but added that women could work in some areas of health and education. the president and chief executive officer of save the children u.s., it's great to have you on. i was talking with an afghan activist recently about the u.n. delegation which met with the taliban. she was hugely pessimistic that talks with taliban achieved much significance. what do you think was achieved? >> well, thank you for having me, michael. look, it's always -- look, we went there last week -- two weeks ago now. we met with nine taliban leaders. most of the ministries that oversee a lot of the humanitarian activities that are happening in the country --
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health, education, livelihoods, rural development, et cetera, and also met with the deputy prime minster and minister of foreign affairs. look, the talks went as well as they could go. i think we made it very clear that we abhor this ban, that this ban is not only wrong in principle but is also making our work completely impossible. we cannot do humanitarian activities without women, almost precisely because of the cultural sensitivities that prompted this ban. most of the vulnerable people we're trying to reach in afghanistan are women and children. we cannot reach them with men for obvious reasons. so we we tried to make that clear. we asked for a reversal of the ban. if that wasn't forthcoming, we've asked for extension from the minute tree of health and education. >> you said there were
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encouraging signs and some you met with said they'd look into it and were considering things. how difficult is it dealing with the taliban where you do have some senior officials who might be less hardline than others, that there's not universal agreement on how women and children should be treated. how does that complicate things? >> it is complicated. it was always ever thus. we've worked in afghanistan since 1976, under the previous taliban regime. the taliban also controlled a lot of the provinces before the fall of kabul 18 months ago. so we've seen this move before, right? it was always very different, depending which province, sometimes wipss a province, with which district you were working. so that local level negotiation and engagement was always incredibly important. by the way, as it is in a lot of other countries too. and that's always what we've seen. we've gone back to work where
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we've received assurances that not only was there an exemption but also the assurance that our female colleagues would be safe going back to work that would be of help. in a lot of cases, particularly in our health care work that has been aquheefd and we've been back to work the last two weeks there, in almost half of the education activities, that has also been achieved. primary schools for boys and girls. we've run over 3,000 of those before the ban. we really would like to get back to those. there it's been a little bit more difficult, depending when province you were. >> right. >> so it is hard. let there be no mistake. we're not, i think, naive about this, right? we never expected to just go there and resolve everything, because that was never, i think, in our mind. >> right. >> but you do want to send a signal that the international community is united about this, that we abhor this ban, and that we'd like to get back to work but that we will only do so with --
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>> what if that doesn't happen? as things stand right now, can save the children do its job unless things are turned around? you know, i'm just reminded, i've been to afghanistan several times myself, i'm reminded the taliban notoriously say one thing, they've promised a lot, before they retook the country, and delivered on not much of that. what are the real-world impacts of being limited in what you can do? >> it is massive. let's not forget, this is the largest humanitarian crisis in the world and that's saying something for today's world, there's stiff competition for that title. 28 million people in-country in need of humanitarian assistance. 6 million essentially at famine's door. high levels of food insecurity. 15 million of those 28 million are children. so yes, it is massive. massive impact. malnutrition treatment, if you stop that for two weeks, children, people guy. it is massive. we've gone back in health care,
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in some of our education work. but that's nowhere near enough. so we need those exemptions to be expanded and upheld and reliable. >> we're right out of time, but i did want to squeeze this in. the taliban has banned women from pretty much all education at the moment in the country where women have to see women doctors, as one example. what's going to be the long-term implication of women not being educated to do those crucial jobs? >> exactly. >> that only the taliban says only women can do? >> again, that's the message we gave. if you want female teachers, doctors, midwives to deliver babies? you have to have girls go to school. so we raise that point too. again, we were told, we're working on it. we said, you've told us this before, we haven't seen action. words are not enough, we do have to see those actions. otherwise, we can't go back to work. >> yeah, i wish you well. and you do amazing work. thank you so much.
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>> thank you, michael. dozens of wildfires are burning in chile, and the weather certainly isn't helping. the temperatures are in excess of 100 degrees fahrenheit, around 40 degrees celsius. there are high winds also fanning the flames. an area the size of philadelphia has been charred. the cost in human lives continues to rise. at least 23 people have now died. on friday, an emergency support helicopter crashed, killing its pilot and a mechanic. a massive fire near the ohio/pennsylvania border followed a train derailment that happened nearly 24 hours ago. evacuation and shelter in place orders were put into effect for nearby residents in northeast ohio. no injuries reported, but the train was hauling some 20 cars with hazardous materials according to a transport official. but environmental authorities say they have not detected any harmful releases as of now. the cause of the derailment is
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unclear. the arctic blast that gripped the northeastern united states for a few days is beginning to taper off. the windchill alerts have ended as the gusting winds die down. temperatures expected to rebound to around 5 to 10 degrees above normal in the coming hours. across new england, officials opened warming centers for people experiencing homelessness during what was life-threatening cold. in boston on saturday, they hit a low temperature of minus 10 degrees fahrenheit. that's around minus 23 celsius. the coldest place was at the mount washington observatory in new hampshire. they recorded a new u.s. national windchill record of minus 108 degrees fahrenheit, minus 77 celsius for those outside the u.s. the new world record would beat what most meteorologists believe
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