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to mandatory evacuations. the president was paralyzed for an entire week by a balloon. >> the president made a very clear and decisive decision. >> domestic, political, and international blowback as china's spy balloon has upended president biden's state of the union address this week. and the u.s. is on alert for possible retaliation from beijing. another close call on the runway as a fedex cargo plane nearly collides with a southwest flight in texas. >> breaking the record for the most grammy wins of all time! >> queen bey is now queen of the grammys. beyonce making history, taking home more grammys than any other artist ever. "cnn this morning" starts right now. and you can see, there's a lot going on this morning. and we have to begin with a dramatic new video of a reporter running for his life on live tv,

while he was reporting on the devastating earthquake in turkey. take a look. [ speaking non-english ] [ screaming ] >> the catastrophic quake has now killed more than 15 hurkds people across turkey and syria. buildings and homes came crashing down as people were asleep inside, and the desperate search for survivors underway right now as powerful aftershocks continue to violently shake the region. the situation especially dire in northwest syria, an area ravaged by more than a decade of civil war. i want you to listen to this desperate plea from one of syria's white helmets. here it is.

>> very difficult as for us. we need help. we need the international community to do something, to help us, to support us. it's a disaster area. we need help from everyone to save our people. >> so that rescue worker right there, we're going to speak to him in just a moment. we're also working on some live pictures for you from turkey. but first, we're going to go to jomana karadsheh in istanbul. good morning. this earthquake was so powerful, the tremors were felt thousands of miles away in greenland. >> it was so powerful. a 7.8 pmagnitude, don. the turkish president describing this as the largest disaster this country has faced in the last century since the 1989

earthquake that killed dozens of people. the earthquake zone stretches across ten provinces. a vast, vast area of southern turkey and across the border into syria. absolute and utter devastation on both sides of the border. thousands of buildings destroyed, according to officials. and as you mentioned, that death toll is continuing to rise over the past few hours, we have seen it continuing to rise, at least 1,500 people so far confirmed killed. more than 1,500. more than a thousand of them here in turkey and more than 500, as well, in syria. both in rebel-controlled parts of syria in the northwest, as well as government-controlled areas. and then you had about 30 aftershocks, one so powerful, a 7.5. can you imagine how terrifying this must have been for people who are still dealing with the trauma of this. the many who were feared to still be trapped under the rubble. and then you've got this very

complex and delicate search and rescue operation that is ongoing in turkey, as well, with syria. where in syria this country in no way is it ready, is it equipped, is it capable to deal with this sort of devastation after 12 years of war that have decimated the country's infrastructure and services. and especially in the vulnerable part of northwestern syria, where you're talking about thousands and thousands of people who have been displaced so many times, now dealing with this, don. and in the middle of a winter storm, absolutely miserable conditions for the people who are left without shelter right now and rescue workers who are in this race against time to try and rescue those many who are still believed to be under the rubble. >> jomana, we'll be checking back with you throughout the day. thank you very much for that. joining us now is ishmael abdullah in syria, a volunteer

for the syria civil defense, a humanitarian organization known around the world as the white helmets. the white helmets are working right now to pull survivors from the rubble right now in syria. good morning to you, ishmael. it's morning here, but 4:00 in the evening there. i'm glad that you are safe, but you are one of the people who can tell us what is going on there. so tell us about what you're seeing and how many people you think are still trapped. >> first, the death toll just reached about 400, about 400 people killed by the earthquake. more than 1,000 people are injured. in each city, in each village, in of course, northwest syria, there are people under the rubble. in each city, we have not just one side, many buildings in this area, this village where i am

now, their neighborhood, five buildings collapsed on the heads of the families. all of them are trapped. we responded. we did everything we can do. and we tried our best to help and rescue, but the reality is this area, northwest area, which was bombed and is being bombed by the forces and regime since new year's and made the situation more worse for them by bombing the hospital and bombing every medical facility. all of that made the situation worse for us and worse for the civilians. the number of trapped people under the rubble, it's countless up to now. we don't have exact number of the people who are trapped. maybe our operations, our operations continue for a week, maybe two weeks, because of that

larger scale of destruction, devastation, mountain of troubles in many, in many cities and villages. in one village, in the west countryside, 60 people were killed, just in one village. and other villages still, the teams working on it to pull the dead bodies and to recover and save the others who are trapped. all of this misery, all of this tragic conditions, it comes to people who were originally from many parts of syria. most of them now under the rubble are the simplest from other parts of syria by the assad forces and the regime. and now they are under the rubble. those who are, those who lift, those who are now injured, they are, they are facing another fear that we don't have enough

systems, we don't have enough -- >> if you'll just -- we have lots of questions for you, pardon, but i'm sure my colleagues have lots of questions that we would like to get in to talk to you about what's going on. >> as i understand it, you -- you were among the last people to leave aleppo in 2016. and those were the conditions then and the civil war raged on, it's been ten years now despite a very fragile cease-fire. can you speak about how difficult it will be to get any humanitarian aid into those parts of advsyria? >> getting humor aid is very difficult. we're trapped almost by the borders. trapped by turkey.

it's difficult to, they need to and those thousands who are trapped, who are injured, you know, they actually, the area where we live, they don't have that infrastructure. we're not ready to deal with something like this. we responded, we dealt with bombing one building, to buildings at the same time. five buildings but not that big number of buildings. not that big number of lives under the rubble. it's very difficult. it's very difficult -- either, if you can't -- it's bigger than us. and bigger than any ngo over in northwest syria to have this

disaster. that's why we say, northwest syria is now disaster area. we need help. we need support, immediate support from anyone who can support us. >> all right. >> ishmael alabdullah, the worldwide resources of cnn will be covering this and getting back to the region as often as possible here on cnn. thank you. be well. also this morning, navy crews are now working to collect the suspected spy equipment from the chinese balloon that was shot down off the coast of south carolina on saturday. officials say that debris was spread out over about 7 miles of the ocean. the recovery effort is expected to take days. that is a big aspect of this. joining us now is diane gallagher, who is live on a boat off the coast of south carolina. diane, i think this is probably the most fascinating live shot we're going to have in this show today. but you're there, now the navy is working to try to recover

this, because what officials want to know is what exactly this balloon could see. you know, what are you hearing from officials on how long this is going to take? >> reporter: yeah, so, kaitlan, we are in the ocean right now, behind me is myrtle beach, the shoreline there. and then, out on the horizon is where we can start to see some of what appears to be those navy vessels. now, look, when that suspected chinese spy balloon was shot down on saturday, we were told that they already had ships, they had vessels from the navy and the coastguard that were in the vicinity, that were able to come and sort of set up a perimeter. now, where we are right now, we're in the ocean, but it's actually not that deep. in fact, where that balloon came down, according to a u.s. military official, it's only about 47 feet. and so, they say that should make the recovery process fairly easy. essentially, what they have to

do is they can use navy divers and they can also use these unmanned vessels that can essentially go under the water. they can pick up the structure and put it on to these salvage vessels that have been en route coming here to get it. now, i will tell you that we haven't been told that we cannot go any further, but we are anticipating being told pretty soon that we're not going to be able to go much further, closer to where this recovery area is. our captain of the boat, we kind of hopped on to a shrimp boat here and our captain told us, there's usually far more boats and ships that are out right now. we're the only one that we've seen out on the waters at this point. >> yeah, that's what i was going to ask is how close are you allowed to get? but can you actually have the camera pan -- can you see the recovery effort? can we have them turn to what you can see? >> i'm going to -- go ahead and have him pan and let you kind of see across the horizon. you may not be able to see in

part because of the sun. and also, i can see it quite well, the shaping of it with my eyes here, but again, we're -- through the camera, it doesn't always translate as well. it's coming through there. and you mentioned, look, this is a very -- the balloon was very big and this was a seven-mile area that this debris is scattered out on. so what we essentially are hoping to see is some additional vessels, some additional activity, but i'm again, not very sure how close we're going to get. i'm going to let you know, as soon as i walked up there, i just lost connectivity to you, so i cannot hear you any longer, kaitlan. i will pass it back to you, because, again, i cannot hear you. we'll see how close we can get before the coast guard tells us to turn around. >> all right. diane gallagher who is off the coast of coast of south carolina there monitoring that recovery effort underway. >> absolutely fascinating to see. >> we could hear her loud and clear. that was incredible. >> great reporting to diana.

republicans in washington are slamming the delay in response, calling this a win for china. >> i think the humiliation this week was inflicted by the chinese communist on the president. again, we should have shot down this balloon over the aleutians as opposed to letting it float all across middle america on its merry way. the idea that we were going to let this go all across america, let a supply balloon complete its spy mission before we shot it down, i'm afraid is an embarrassment to the united states. >> the defense ministry is protesting the shooting down of that balloon, quoting it was a civilian unmanned airship. a spokesperson said in a statement that china reserves the right to use necessary means to deal with similar situations. our chief national correspondent jim sciutto is with us. thank you for being here. you've been great covering all of this since it was shut down this weekend. what does that mean, "necessary

me means"? what china might do now? >> let's be clear, the u.s. does fly surveillance aircraft, both crewed and uncrewed around chinese air space. >> when we are confronted by the chinese navy, the concern being does china retaliate. certainly saying it reserves the right to retaliate. now, i spoke to pentagon spokesman general patrick ryder over the weekend to ask him if he wanted to respond to those -- the veiled chinese threat and he did respond, in quite clear terms, he said, the prc surveillance balloon was in u.s. territorial air space, a violation of our sovereignty. we do not conduct such operations in chinese air space, so there is no similar

situation, the united states will continue to sail, fly, and operate anywhere international laws allows. we always take the safety and security of our service members seriously, point being there, the u.s. making a distinction, saying the chinese balloon came over u.s. territory, that u.s. aircraft, both crewed and uncrewed go around chinese territory. but also in those words there, poppy, you heard him saying, we're not stopping these flights. in effect, the u.s. not going to be intimidated by those chinese comments. but it's a real danger here, because retaliation is a possibility. and therefore, escalation is a responsibility. and that's something we have to be watching closely. >> this is not a tit for tat moment right now. thank you, jim sciutto. appreciate it. we'll see you a little bit later on today. coming up, we'll talk to a trump national security adviser, john bolton. kaitlan's going to do that. >> and a senior white house official now telling cnn that three chinese spy balloons during the trump administration were not discovered until after biden took office. back in a moment.

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as the 2024 presidential election approaches, there are questions, of course, about what is going to look like when it comes to that presidential race. there are new polls out about americans not being excited about a potential biden/trump rematch. those are big questions on the political front. but that also comes as the president is facing blowback this morning when it comes to how they handled the chinese surveillance balloon that was shot down on saturday. to talk more about this, we're going to have the former national security adviser under the biden administration, john bolton here. thank you very much, ambassador,

for being here. i think the first question is, do you believe that they should have shot down this balloon sooner? >> yes, absolutely. you know, when it was first sighted near alaska on the 28th of january, according to press reports norad, the north american space command, decided it was not threatening. i would like to know how they know. the payload for this balloon was apparently the size of three buses. that's pretty big. were we confident there was not a nuclear weapon in that payload? were we confident it was not carrying biological weapons, pathogens or toxins that could have been dumped into a reservoir or spread across crop lands? why were they so sure? and two days later, they did determine it was an intelligence threat, and didn't do anything about it, and didn't tell the president of the united states until three days after the first contact, which i find incredible. >> you have questions about that, it was january 31st that

the defense department alerted president biden, that's when he asked for those options about potentially shooting it down. you think he should have been told the day it was detected? >> well, i think much sooner. there's a lot that we don't know here. and the wording of many of the statements by administration spokesman is sloppy. and when the wording is sloppy, that often means the underlying story is sloppy. that's a significant delay in my view. and i would like to know the explanation. i would also like to know where in the chain of command from that first sighting, the first detection of the balloon, how far up did it go, where did it stop, and why did it stop? >> the argument is that shooting it down over water was the safest option, because what we've heard from officials is that they believed that it could have caused damage to people, it could have hurt people, to buildings, it could have hurt people if they shot it down while it was over montana or idaho, for example. do you agree with that assessment? >> well, i think we obviously have to be concerned about the safety of our citizens.

how would their safety be affected if there were weapons on that thing that we didn't act when it was timely to do so. and with all due respect to the great citizens of alaska and mon montana, it's less populated than here at home. we've had bomb shelters before, we can be prepared for this. the government can take compensation for property damage. there are a lot of things that are unanswered about what the government do. but there's a lot possibility here, too. we've talked about this as if shooting it down means destroying it. back in the day, before there was electronic transmission of photographs from space, we used to dump film that our satellites had taken into canisters that came back to earth and were caught by airplanes. i don't know the technology, if we still have it or have junked it, or if it was possible here. but the saying goes, where there's a will, there's a way. capturing that payload is going to be very important. whatever we can get off the bottom of the sea, if there were some other way to have brought

it down more slowly, if we could have proven this was chinese intelligence gathering, we should have taken a closer look at it. >> the other thing we heard from the pentagon is that this was actually happening before, when your bo boss, your former boss, former president trump was in office, we're now learning from a senior administration official who says those previous occurrences were discovered after the trump administration left office. i think you as national security adviser, how can a chinese spy balloon get into chinese air space and someone like was not told, someone like former president trump was not hold, mark asper was not hold about this. how did that happen? >> as far as i know, every trump administration official who has been asked have said they didn't know anything about it. i will say this, if there was any actual knowledge that these balloons were over the united states and higher authority wasn't told, that's a serious problem. that's a serious problem. that's not what the biden

administration is saying. i wrote these words down. i was so, so stunned by them. one official told fox news that the balloons went undetected, undetected. and then said, two things can be true at once. this happened and it wasn't detected. if it wasn't detected when it happened, how did we detect it more recently? did the biden administration invent a time machine? what is the basis of this new detection? now, i understand that the administration has offered to brief former national security officials from the trump administration. they haven't called me. i'm not waiting by the phone for it, although i would take the briefing if they offered it. i think congress has got a lot of questions here. this was a botched effort from the beginning. and by the way, the fact that there were earlier transits of part of the united states territory, which i think the administration made public to say it's nothing new, don't worry about it, proves exactly the opposite. the very fact, if it is a fact,

that the chinese have tried this before should have alerted us and should have caused us to take action before the balloon crossed into american sovereign territory. >> notable to say that you do want that briefing. ambassador bolton, while i have you here, i want to ask you about what i mentioned earlier, these new polls we're seeing from abc and "the washington post" on 2024, where it says few americans are excited about a trump/biden rematch. i know you have toyed with the idea of running for office. have you made a decision on whether or not you're running for president in 2024? >> i have not, but i would say, whether i run or not, i do think national security is going to be a much more important issue in 2024 than in recent elections. and if this chinese balloon incident proves anything, it's that the people of the united states need to hear more from candidates what their foreign policy views are. these are life and death decisions that presidents make. i know it's not been the source of a lot of popular discussion in recent campaigns. that's a mistake for the country. the candidates need to talk

about national security much, much more. >> do you think trump has a good message on national security? >> trump doesn't have any message on national security other than that he would be perfect, perfect phone conversations, perfect decisions on the balloon, perfect decisions to solve the russia/ukraine war. it's all about donald trump. it's not about foreign policy. >> former ambassador john bolton, thank you for that perspective this morning. >> thank you. in a new series, actor and former obama administration aid kal penn explores an optimistic approach to solving the climate crisis, all with his patented humor. oh, wait a minute! >> he's here! >> kal penn, he's in the studio, live, next. n with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakekery-inspired flavor. learn momore at boost.com/tv

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as the 2024 presidential election approaches, where's the enthusiasm? this as biden gets ready to deliver the state of the union address tomorrow night. a new "washington post"/abc news poll finds only 36% of voters believe that biden has accomplished a great or good deal, 62% think he's accomplished not much or little.

let's talk big picture with former white house aide under president biden, kal penn, you'll also recognize him from movies and tv. you got it. he is the host of the new bloomberg series, "getting warmer with kal penn." >> part of the reason i'm sleepy this morning, from watching -- >> thanks for watching. >> it's great. we'll get to that, your new show in a moment, because it's actually important to the future of the planet and stuff. but let's talk about 2024. so you were there in the trenches in the obama white house. >> yeah. >> what do you make of these numbers? it even has independents more in trump's camp than biden's kpcam. >> polls will always fluctuate. it's so far from the 2024 election. what's exciting for folks like me and others, biden is the most progressive president we've had. this climate bill, for example, that took decades of advocacy for a lot of young people, especially a lot of young people who aren't necessarily young anymore. one of the great challenges, young people are the only

demographic that don't stay with their demographic over a lifetime. obviously, you age out. so any of the advocacy you do when you're 18 or 22, that comes to fruition when you're in your 30s, you don't necessarily feel that joy and that ownership, but that's exactly what's happening. and so i think, telling that story and letting folks know, look, things are not a light switch, change doesn't happen overnight, it's a really slow build, i think that's a really positive thing for the biden administration. >> why do you think he's not getting more credit for that? "the washington post" poll is 62% of people think he's accomplished not very much or little during -- >> well, what have they done during their lives! look, one of my first bosses when i worked in organizing in iowa in 2007 was paul toos, and he kept basically saying, polls don't mean anything. he used more colorful language than that. but it's true. it's the idea that polls are very immediate. a very specific type of group that they're polling.

i don't know how these polls work, but back in the day, they would still only call land lines. i don't know how to respond to those numbers. i only know, between now and when the 2024 election is is an eternity. and i think the president and the administration are doing a great job. >> the only real poll is at the ballot box. >> the polls. >> when you go to the polls to vote. >> look at the last several election cycles, right? neither obama nor trump would have necessarily won if they wouldn't have successfully s expanded the electorate. >> or biden, biden has defied expectations. you saw what south carolina did for him. he's never going to win or get bipartisan support. i was very critical saying, what is he doing? he should have learned during obama that the republicans don't want to work with him. but then i was younger and my voice was a little higher. and now republicans are working with him and he's facing very tough opposition from republicans and still getting things done. but can we talk about you? this is about kal penn. kal penn, getting warm with kal penn on bloomberg about climate

and clean energy. this is a clip i watched last night. it's about plastics, we'll play it and then we'll talk to you about it. >> we take a look at a problem we're unlikely to recycle our way out of. plastic. >> the perception out there is, what i put in my recycling bin, the blue bin, is what technically can be recycled. but in the reality, no recycling company anywhere is mandated by law to recycle what you put in the blue bin. >> i think it very much falls into the category of helping corporations reassure us about things we should not be reassured about. >> so a very real moment for that related to, because we have these separation bins in our -- you know, you pull out, put the plastic and cardboard on that side and you take it and you don't know what happens to it. my mom is from louisiana, she's like, what are you doing? why do you have things on different -- she didn't get it. the stats are staggering, less than 6% of plastic waste is recycled in the u.s. and you point out that putting stuff in

recycle bins doesn't mean that it gets recycled. mom is right! >> your mom is not wrong. one of the things i didn't know in hosting this show, the take, it's a positive, optimistic take on climate change solutions rather than the doom and gloom stuff. that said, one of the big challenges with especially plastic recycling, recycling in general, the difference between what's municipally recyclable, meaning what you can actually toss in the garbage that's collected at home from the town or the city is different than what companies say things are recyclable, meaning, a lot of companies will say, okay, this tooth paste tube or this pen is technically recyclable, but it's not, because the cost of recycling takes more money than what you yield back from it, unlike a lot of the cans and bottles that actually do get recycled. so, one of the problems there is -- >> wait, say that part again. >> so essentially, companies will pay to recycle "x" percent of their product, right? they'll pay more money than it costs, meaning more money than

they get back in the plastic recycling, just to say that their product is recyclable. >> wow! >> but in practice, it is not municipally recyclable, meaning you can't just toss it in the recycling bin in your town or your city and have it get recycled. >> so what happens when we toss it in our recycling bin? >> it ends up in the landfill. the challenge here is understanding what is municipally recyclable. what can be practically recycled, and what can be thrown away. and that thrown away component is a huge chunk of plastic and that's what a lot of advocates hoping businesses will change. >> that sounds like a massive scandal. >> it's a huge scam. >> do you recycle? do you separate, i should say? >> we recycle, but if you're putting your tooth paste tube in the recycling and it's not actually getting recycled. i also would think the concern would be people will think, it's not worth it, i'm not going to recycle at all. >> there's a point in that episode, that first episode, where i tried to recycle taco bell hot sauce packets,

literallily, what you have to do, you collect all your packets, scan a qr code, log into a thing online, print out a mailing label, find a box, you put the taco bell sauce packets in a box, print the mailing label off, go to the post office and mail it off. >> also, the freight uses energy -- >> also, the carbon that comes out of that. the point in all of this, it really is a forward-leaning optimistic show, is what can advocates and companies do together to change the nature of that packaging. >> that's the thing i was asking, you separate -- >> so we only have two bins, trash and recycling. so not only do i separate, i go down to the recycling and i take out of -- i put the glass and the plastic and the paper. and it's gross and i do it and now you're telling me -- >> we all do it. is it worth it! >> to be clear, we live in new york city which has a wonderful, fantastic recycling program. >> okay, good. >> if you live in a place that doesn't have that type of a program, i mean, the idea that it's somebody else's problem, this is something that you can

do with your local city council, your mayor's office, your school. those are good things that can be done. but the larger issue is, the types of plastics, even when you see that logo at the bottom of a container, it doesn't mean that it's recyclable, practically. it just shows you the type of plastic that it is. >> interesting that you wore green today. >> come back when you're host of "the daily show." >> we've got to recycle guests now, so, you're done. >> thanks for having me. >> you up for host? >> i'm guest hosting the week of march 13th. >> can't wait for our guest appearance on the program. kal penn. you have to recycle, pay back. that's only fair. >> are you really trying to get on to the "daily show" right now? >> i appreciated that. >> yeah? yeah. >> be sure to watch "getting warmer with kal penn" on wednesday streaming on bloomberg channel and bloomberg.com. our thanks again to kal penn. up next, we want to go back to diane gallagher live on a boat where they're searching for spy balloon debris. standby for that.

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chinese spy balloon. it's about 47 feet of water deep. that, though, is a coast guard perimeter. we've seen a couple of these ships now around here. and a couple miles from that is where we actually start to see the recovery effort begin. to give you an idea of where i am right now, we're about three miles off the coast of myrtle beach in this direction. and so, this is as close as you can get to this very large operation. again, u.s. navy divers, unmanned vessels, trying to get that up off of the ground, on to a ship, and to quantico, so intelligence officials can exam it. and once again, i have lost ivb as i get clouser to the bow there, so i'll pitch it back to you, kaitlan. >> diane gallagher live on a shrimp boat, just got a call from the coast guard telling them not to go much farther than they are now. the grammys, beyonce making history, breaking the record for the most grammy award wins, but

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beyoncé has done it, everybody. we were all here to see it and you were, too, you were a part of this. she now holds the all time record for the most grammy wins so we can finally end the g.o.a.t. debate. it's done now. who is the g.o.a.t.? it's beyoncé, it's not lebron, it's not jordan, it's not tom brady, it's done, it's officially done. >> but one thing that beyoncé can't do and that is defy traffic because she was stuck in traffic. beyoncé etching her name in the record books winning her 32nd grammy. here is that very special moment. look. >> we are witnessing history tonight. breaking the record for the most grammy wins of all time, be

standing and show your respect, it's "renaissance," beyoncé. >> thank you so much. i'm trying not to be too emotional and i'm trying to just receive this night. >> so beyoncé, i hate to bring up -- look, she defied, you know, everything, but we're bringing up the negative because she didn't take home the album of the year. i'm sure beyoncé is okay with that. that award went to harry styles. >> lizzo's face. >> with all her wins beyoncé has never won that category. joining us now from -- talk about this night in entertainment is entertainment journalist shagu. >> shoe for having me. >> look at lizzo's face.

>> the whole awards show -- do we want to be honest or do we want to be like -- >> honest. >> come on. >> what do you think? >> first of all, whoever the sound engineer was for that show, fire them. >> why? >> the sound was bag bashar al assad. >> you thought. >> listening to it on your tv people came out garbled. if i'm going to watch a music award show at least let the music be clear, let me hear the artist. >> i never heard it. >> it didn't sound good. the grammy's have some explaining to do, to quote bonnie rate, let's give them something to talk about. >> bonnie rate is one of my all time favorites, i was so happy, she was shocked. >> look, i love her, i'm a fan of hers, i use her song in my opening. ♪ turn down the lights ♪ >> song of the year i would challenge anyone did you hear the song? >> no. >> and that's my point. but she is the only one in the category who is the only songwriter. so for that in itself i give her the award and it was --

>> this is her performing in memoriam? i didn't have a problem with that. beyoncé not winning album of the year -- >> why? hold on. she caught the spirit in the beginning of her speech, she was like thank you god and she paused by i thought was an amazing moment, i don't know if many people -- >> no, she is a spiritual person. when lizzo went up there and thanked here -- when lizzo won the award she thanked beyoncé when she sang gospel and how it spoke to lizzo. my issue with what happened at the grammy's is when the best of the best get on stage for their awards and their moment, and thank her and thank beyoncé, there is no way you cannot tell me it's not album of the year. that dance album redefined and brought back a genre that had been gone. >> electronic. >> electronic, dance, disco, the lgbtq plus community that she thanked for creating it. >> she said for inventing -- >> for inventing the genre. if you don't want to give it to

beyoncé, let's remove the fact that i am back and you are black and we are talking about beyoncé. bad bunny was the biggest artist of 2022. what i love what harry said when he got up there was this doesn't happen to me. 100% honest. shouldn't have happened to him. but when you think about it, they've been snubbing beyoncé for so long. and he also said art, you can't really judge art. when they do this and they say that this album is better i want everyone to read an article in "variety" where they interview grammy voters and one voter, voter number 4 who gets to remain an knous said i didn't listen to all the music and not going to vote for beyoncé because every time she does something it is too for tenacious which by definition means too solemn or overly in love with themselves whenever

she drops an album. if you are on the record saying you are not going to vote for someone because you really don't like them it makes it a mockery. >> isn't that her point with past albums, especially women feeling self-worth. >> absolutely. >> and what they're conditioned and now they grow up to what she is and where she realizes she is. >> listen, she's the queen for a reason and the reason she is a queen is she inspires. music as trevor noah said who did a fantastic job trying to vamp as much as he could with people showing up late for traffic, come on. >> all right. so, listen, it is our jobs to sort of criticize and analyze, but i will speak for beyoncé because she is a class act. every time this happens and people are like beyoncé should have won, she's classy about it, congratulating harry styles. >> the queen rises above. even if the grammy's took the low road. >> she knows. >> everybody knows. >> everybody knows. >> everybody knows. >> thank you, sagun.

♪ you won't break my soul ♪ >> she knows what happened. >> thank you. we will let him sing us out. >> no, we won't. >> we appreciate you joining us, have a great day, everyone. "cnn newsroom" starts after this break. ♪ ♪are you reready for me♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪

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