>> tonight we have new details about other chinese spy balloons over the united states in the past. just like the one that was shot out of the sky by fighter jets over the weekend. >> they just shot it. see the smoke coming from it? >> cnn got an exclusive look at a u.s. military intelligence report from last year that focused on chinese spy balloon sightings during the trump administration. they founded in 2019. one balloon circa navigated the globe, drifting past hawaii, and came across florida and an altitude of 60,000 feet. here's what national security advisor jake sullivan told

cnn's casey hunt above that discovery. >> because of the intelligence community made this a priority after the direction of president biden, we enhanced our surveillance of our territorial airspace. we enhanced our capacity to be able to detect things as the trump administration wasn't able to detect. we were also able to go back and look at the historical patterns. and that led us to come to understand that during the trump administration as you said, there were multiple instances where the surveillance balloons traversed american airspace, and american territory. >> okay, let me bring in our guest now. we have cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. political commentators era louis and scott jennings, and national security analyst john turner. sean, i wanna start with. you help us understand how the intel community can enhance their detection process and

look into the past to see how many balloons floated over years ago. >> yeah, i'll say it's clear to understand why it might be confusing. a lot of people are asking this question and wondering if we had the information, house of the intelligence community was only able to produce reported last year that revealed that these puck loons flew over the united states. i think it's an actually pretty good answer to this question. look, what a new administration comes, and it's not unusual for you to sit down and to take a hard look at our adversaries and to look at intelligence to better understand tactics and better understand what we don't know about the time when they wear -- when that administration was out of office. look at two things that are really important to alison, it will have finished intelligence reports, that's intelligence that's already been analyzed and summarized for the president, but they also go back and they look at raw intelligence. and every time we look at ron

telegenic, we know learn something we did know before. we simply haven't analyze the intelligence that would've revealed that the spy balloons flew over the united states. during my time in intelligence community, we had more intelligence than we had analysts to look at the stuff. so very possible that we just and see it. >> that's interesting, shawn. so another words, sean, there was just too much intelligence and it was an oversight and we do know that this was happening. isn't necessarily something that the intelligence community did wrong during the trump administration, do things just need to fall through the cracks? >> i think sean is on target, we served as the national -- and these are sometimes iterative processes, you'll see these balloons or signature on radar and you'll find what the signature is and it's a balloon, but crossing over florida, crossing over texas. our own north command, same

balloon, same surveillance gear to do stationary and loitering counter narcotics, human smuggling conduction of human intelligence on the border. so first thing to figure out is, okay, do we know what this? is b, are we sure that's not us? see, what can we learn about this? and overtime we figure out that these are chinese products floating on big balloons that are gathering and sending information in realtime. then you get the analysts and the ngo, and narrow and everybody. they put together a report. >> what some, using if anything, we talk a lot about all the high tech whiz that china could be infiltrating in terms of cyberattacks, in terms of tiktok. this is as all schools low tack as it gets. >> five months and seven 83, the revolutionary war that they've been using for intel. >> i don't even know what to

make of that? is a comforting, is it not comforting? do we miss it sometimes? >> it's comforting that we have an open enough system that people can acknowledge when there's a problem. but the intelligence community can tell the military folks, here's something you missed. we've got a real problem here. and for them to acknowledge on national television, hey, we did know this was happening. think about what the comparable reaction is in beijing. where heads are surely rolling and that might even be literal statement. when we have this kind of a problem where 18th century technology is evading all our cyber defenses, it's a chance for a reset and a chance to look at it all over again. >> scott, i think you are skeptical. do you think the biden administration should have taken steps to shoot a done sooner than it done? >> certainly whether we detect these things, i don't think it was good that we acknowledge that we mr. before -- i think it's a good thing for

people to. no i don't think that the biden administration was going to know at all until a newspaper in montana figured it out. >> let me challenger on that because i think biden was briefed on it on tuesday and i think the timeline was he was briefed on it on tuesday, cnn broke it on thursday. but we broke it on thursday. that's like 48 hours. we wanted him to tell the american people -- i mean, can't president think about anything for 48 hours about what they're gonna disclose in terms of? intel >> by the way, what could we do everything that we learned, shutting out everybody in the world when we're trying to figure out what -- >> it, it was over american soil, be people could look up and see. it so it was a question of whether you can stick this. close the big debate and the ongoing political debate is going to be about whether they should have shut it down earlier than they did. and i think that's really the ongoing political embarrassment for biden is that this thing sat over the united states for a few days and they finally shouted. down >> their argument was that

they had to wait for it to be over water because the debris scatters over something like six miles, you can tell me, john. but when they be -- if it fell over someone's head? >> we've picked them up in alaska, there are many -- there aren't too many people and a lot of trees and maybe a few animals and birds, and that's it. i'm just saying, i don't know. and that here to second guess anybody. i'm just telling you the average person looks like this and says, we let this thing fly all the way over the united says before we took action against? it it seems a little weird to the average person. >> after be the contrarian here because i've been listening to that since it crossed in from canada. and you have to think of this like an intelligence officer which is what we have here? is a threat, has got a missile on, it is it anything -- no. we have intelligence reporting, we've seen it before, we fitted up what it, is we know what it. is there are two things to, do one, it's a threat because it's gathering intelligence. but no one disagrees it can't really see anything that they can see from the satellite. it can last longer and maybe look closer.

but the key is what is the advantage of letting it go. and if you're thinking of it as an intelligence officer you're saying it's their collection platform. let's make it our collection platform. can you get it telemetry can be seen what it's sending? >> and then it's scattered into 1 million pieces. can we still do that? >> you can pick up the pieces, it's going to ltd. and the fbi in washington operation technology division. they're gonna put the pieces together and see what they recognize because of the same stuff they built their. with a lot of partners from other agencies, but the key is, will they be able to find something that collected data that could be repaired or downloaded. and that is why it's a bit of a collection platform. if it's here, let's take advantage of it. >> sean, do you have any falls on? that number, one of the intel community could assess what it was to shut it down earlier, and what they be able to glean eiffel valuable stuff now that it's in the middle of the ocean in 1 million pieces? >> yeah, you know on this

question of shutting it down earlier, i think it's john sitting here, we have to stop and think, anyone who saying shoot first and ask questions later, not only is it true that we would've been asking questions today about why we didn't consider the ramifications for people on the ground, but also when we think about shooting this down, we want to be able to collect as much information about it as possible. so where we should down matters. i think that what people have to understand is that this balloon did not traverse across the united states without the u.s. government putting some measures in place to make sure that we were protecting sensitive information. i think that's the -- collect information. i think there's an opportunity for us to learn something about china's craft. but another thing we should note to his one of the things that we do in the intelligence community as we prepare for the possibility that some of our sensitive technology might fall

into the hands of others. and sometimes what we do as we build in ways to prevent them from learning from that. so it's interesting to see whether or not once the chinese realize that -- taking meta measures to protect, or whatever technologies they have. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. thank you for the different perspectives. not to, this people in one atlanta neighborhood waking up to their driveways littered with antisemitic flowers. what is driving the rise of hate and what are they doing about it? let's go! ♪ what you gon' do? you ain't talkin' 'bout nothin'! ♪ ♪

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tell us what happened on sunday when you went out to your driveway, what those looked like? ? >> my husband went out to get the newspaper. we were drinking our sunday coffee. he came back in and told me that there were some antisemitic material at the bottom of our driveway. i put on my jacket, went to go look, and sure enough, there are three little packages, baggies with on popcorn kernels and these vile flyers. that were inside each baggy. >> so we see the vile messages, why are their corn cubs in their? >> i have no idea. i don't describe logic to irrational behavior. so i'm no idea. >> yeah, and what were your thoughts when you discover those? >> essentially, i had heard that this had been happening in other neighborhoods over the last few months. so really, it just -- it was my turn. in my neighborhood it was my

turn and i called the police made a report and i text my neighbor to see if it happened to her home and found out she was in town. and i put it out on social media and i started hearing that it was happening in other neighborhoods. also when i called the police, sandy springs, the dispatcher told me that they had been receiving reports. so i knew it had already been in sydney springs, and i heard it was in our neighboring community. they had already heard that it had been in neighboring counties in the months before. so i wasn't surprised that -- i already knew it was happening, i was just resigned at that point that it was happening in my neighborhood. do you know how many people received things like this? >> no. i mean, i only know anecdotally, i don't have the numbers from law enforcement. but my husband, then, went to

take the dog for a walk later and saw about 50. he says about 50 in neighborhoods. so we didn't take a formal count, it was a lot, i mean i would say it's hundreds over the last few months. >> after you discovered, it you tweeted out, welcome to being a jew in georgia. my driveway this morning. sandy springs, police department came and took for testing govern yourself accordingly, judy l, an antisemite. who seek to harm, intimidate jews in georgia. i'm coming for you with the late of the state behind. there's a lot there, representative when you say welcome to being a jew in georgia. something like this has happened before? >> well, it had been happening before, it's been happening over a period of months. but antisemitism, is icing in georgia, that's one of the reasons i decided to run for office. there would be no jewish representation in georgia if i hadn't run and incidents had been rising. extremism have been rising.

and so, if i wasn't going to do anything about it, someone had to. so it was going to be me and we have to put our foot down. we have to stop it. we know, as jews what happens when people don't stop it. and it is not just up to us to stop it. we're not big enough to stop it, numerically. we need allies to help us to stop it. >> but, when you say, govern yourself accordingly, jpl that is the defense league, who are they? is that who you think is -- behind this? >> that's what's written on the flyers, i don't want to give them any variety because big thrive on it. but, yes, these are organizations. these are not kids doing one of things. these are organizations that try to recruit members into their hate groups in order to terrorize and intimidate jewish people. a friend of mine tweeted, texted me, that her survivor

holocaust received. i mean, can you imagine? as somebody who survived the naughty's has to deal with this in their home? i mean, how awful was that? so, we have to try to put a stop to it. georgia is actually on the cusp of hopefully passing a bill to define antisemitism. part of the problem is we have no definition for antisemitism in georgia. 30 other states in the country have defined antisemitism. but in georgia, if you commit a crime, and you commit a crime not speech but if you can write a crime and it happens to be against a jewish person and you express intend to do it against a jewish person there is no way, there is no set definition of antisemitism. but, if you do something against a jewish person and they say, oh, you did it because you drew us, they could say no, it wasn't against their religion, it was against their ethnicity. or it's something that happened in israel that this person had

nothing to do with. so, that's a defense. so, until we can define what antisemitism, is we cannot protect years as much as they deserve to be protected. i mean, that's why i was going to ask you about, in your tweet, you say i am coming for you with the weight of the state behind. are you? i mean, in the battlefront what does that mean and look like? >> to me, that means if you commit a crime against jews, it could be motivated by hatred towards jews you are going to get prosecuted for crime. a hate crime. georgia passed a hate crime bill over the last couple of years because of what happened with ahmaud arbery. he was targeted because he was black. if you are going to target jews because they are jews, they're going to get punished for two. there's going to be enhanced punishment, and if you're gonna discriminate against jews because they urges then you are gonna be punished for it. >> and so, representative, the fact that you are the only

jewish member of the state legislator should we be surprised by that? >> i'm underrepresented. jewish people are underrepresented in government in georgia. so, obviously, representation matters. and we need more voices in government. so, every minority group deserves to have representation in government and, at the moment, we're just underrepresented. but, while i'm alone, and it's a little lonely, i'm not really alone. we have allies, we have a lot of allies. today i want to stood at the wall in the house of representatives and, normally, a few people come up and stand with whoever speaking in solidarity for any particular issue. today, most of the house came up and stood with me. it was amazing. and the speaker gave such a passionate speech at the beginning of the session, to state that everybody stands with me. in, fact so many people started to come up with the speaker, as some people to stay behind, so

i would have some of this to. because otherwise, i have to turn around and speak to my colleagues who are standing behind me. so, it's really overwhelming at the amount of support and love that i got from my colleagues, who are all lawmakers. and, it was really something to say about how far georgia has come in the last century because it wasn't always so friendly to jewish people. well, i am comforted and heartened to hear about all of the support that you had in speaking today. so thank you for the story. and obviously, we'll be watching closely what happens in georgia. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much esther panitch, and john miller, and scott jennings are joining us is also business reporter emma goldberg. thank you so much. so it's not just georgia, obviously. i'll just pull up a little graphic we have a some of the reads and antisemitic's across the united states. so, as you may remember, we just talked about the flyers in the atlanta suburb and then

there were also these banners over the los angeles freeway, that was in october 23rd, there was a projection in jacksonville florida i believe on the side of the building saying that kanye was right. and, then meaning about the jews and then there was a molotov cocktail in a new jersey synagogue january 29th. i mean, those are just some fairly recent ones. so, emma, you see this as part of a larger piece with the resurgence of white nationalism. absolutely, i mean first of, all its alarm. it as a jewish person, you in the united states thinking, antisemitism sounds like something very foreign. and faraway in time. so, to hear those, words welcome to being a true in georgia is terrifying. i do think that it's importing to step out and understand the broader phenomenon that's contributing to this. antisemitism is part of a white supremacist, white nationalists, and i think that there has been extensive research that shows

that antisemitism is amna made it by jerusalem. it's fueled by the growth of this broader movement that's been emboldened in recent years, and i mean you can look at the numbers, there's a hate crime that occurs every hour in the u.s.. and, there has been 100% growth of hate groups in the last 20 years in the country. so, i think, when we see all these very visible manifestations of hatred towards jews, it's important to also ask how do we think about countering white supremacy at large because it is part of that ideology. >> i, mean look, if you are so overwhelming, we'll get to the point that it's just not in the united states, but just in the united states, all of these incidents, as a law enforcement, got this must be really daunting? >> well, we saw this creeping up a few years ago with identity in groups like that that we're doing sticker-ing on lampposts and flyering in jersey city and staten island with antisemitic messages. and we're thinking, but you, know this is new york and in

2018, 2019, or space coming from? but then, you see, you know the qanon movement which is a live online with hundreds of thousands of followers. antisemitism and jewish tropes flow through that as part of the theme there. you look at the fact that you have the unite the right rally in charlotte where all of these groups came together out in the open. not hiding their faces. marching with torches. and, you remember, we are still in the new millennium when this is happening. and, at the time, the president of the united states of america said, well, there were good people on both sides after someone rammed their car into the anti white supremacist protesters. and now, you fast forward to the other day and you've got nick fuentes and holocaust denier and antisemite at mar-a-lago breaking bread. it is not just a trump thing but it is a movement that is

getting kind of a pass or a tacit approval at levels of the government and society that really validate it. in a scary way. >> yes and i don't know if that is what lit the dynamite, but it sure didn't help extinguish it to your point. but it's not helpful. so here are some of the numbers. -- >> well yet the throne connie which is a cultural -- that throws you through a loop but it's very powerful. absolutely unethical eons of followers. >> so, ever done all-time, high it was 2700 incident and that's a 34% increase your year. and then, in terms of the tropes, what john was talking about in 2019 61% of respondents believe that it least one anti jewish trope. now it's up to 85% this year. and similarly, if you believe six or more it was 11% in 2019 announced 20%. so what do you think is

happening here? what is the answer? >> i don't know what the macro answer is. i know what the migrants are. is that, every single one of us who has any kind of responsibility, anywhere in our lives where we interact with people who need to hear the truth have a responsibility to tell it. and also, we have political people, to your point, we have a responsibility not interact with the people and to elevate those who are spreading it. and, that's what donald trump did when he had that meal with the white nationalists and the person that you mentioned. until we all have the micro responsibility. i don't know if that will add up to the macro solution because it is global and i was reading a report from the jewish government a couple years ago and they put up about the rising antisemitism in europe, germany, france. a lot of different countries are experiencing this. so obviously, this is not isolated, it is not just the united states and it's not history. i think that what you said really was a powerful thing. this israel. it's happening right now and

when you have groups of people who can communicate with each other all over the world it can spread very rapidly and it is extremely dangerous as we have seen from these things in the united states. so it's extremely worrisome. everybody and every part of our political spectrum has a responsibility here. >> so, on that note, up next we're gonna tell you about how the justice department says the neo-nazi leader and a naughty allegedly planned to destroy baltimore. we have new reporting.

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plot to, quote, completely destroyed the city of baltimore. federal authorities allege the dual were planning to attack electrical substations. experts warn that more extremist groups are targeting u.s. power facilities as possible targets. we're back now with -- an arrow. louis, john what reporting do you have on what's happening right now? >> well, as we reported last, week on cnn, we have seen a big increase in 2022 on attacks on power stations, substations, across the country. >> okay, 25 confirmed attacks -- >> right, and some of these are gunfire, sniper, sabotage, vandalism. but, at the same time, in those same neo-nazi white nationalists challenge on the internet, they are literally putting out playbook saying that we've got to bring down the power grid because we have the right eight or nine places that we could have a cascading collapse of visual. it will punish the united states into a prolonged blackout, which they hope is

the catalyst for the beginning of riots, eluding, things the government cannot fix. and the race war and finally the fall of society and their rise to white power. but, the new development, today of, course is the arrest of brandon russell, the former head of the adam watson division, involving the new socialist order. he was out on supervised release from his conviction after pleading guilty for possession of explosives. and planning to blow up the power grid in florida. when he found sarah who conspired with him, and a third individual who was an fbi source online to attack multiple par plans around baltimore to punish the city into a prolonged blackout. >> maybe we can give this guy a longer sentence so that he's not unsupervised release to be able to do this. but, errol you know this effects all of us, this is scary, it affects all of us. they are targeting these

things. and, they may not be the brightest people but they are -- it's working. they are actually attacking. >> we are, and they are trying to form a terrorism and mayhem in murder and so forth. and while we may think that it's normal, because some of them have been to be idiots, the reality is a successful blackout can cause billions of dollars worth of damage. and that can happen due to a lightning strike. so, you know, clearly it is time to talk to florida power, diaz sangi -- con edison. all of the private power companies that provide 65% of the power in this country. and tell them, you've got a new expense. you're going to have to go to the ratepayers, making a go to the government, maybe you go to the hedge funds, we are sovereign funds, the pension funds that invest to do. but you -- you cannot just leave substations out there for these not cease to take shots at. >> and just a kill from herald, there is 6400 power stations

with 55,000 substations owned by 3000 companies in 50 states. and 3030 counties. none of them are regulated by any single body that sets a standard on a national level. so, it is the weakest link in the chain. >> yes, here again, we're talking about not cease in 2023. i mean it's hard to know where the poison, where they get infected with the poison. are they angry people who are just looking for someone to hate or what is that sickness? we have to look at the rise in hate crimes that has occurred over the last 20 years in this country. because, in a lot of ways, white nationalists have given a hall pass. and, in recent years, they were walking into the principles office. i, mean look what happened with the interaction where the storm the capitol on january six. there has been a lot of --

and looking, away and in building a white nationalist groups, and we're now seeing the effects of having savvier tactics. and, look at baltimore, a predominantly black city. so, we are seeing the humane effects of this hatred that's been powered at the highest level of the country. >> i, mean they are being brought to justice, now, after january six. i take your point. before, that they were given more than a hall pass and told that they -- but they are being brought to justice. but that brings me to, what happens with them? they haven't gotten to the bottom with this. the neo-nazis, that you're describing, they just figured out and arrested in georgia -- , but i heard something serious. >> i mean, the more county attack from christmas day, were 44, 000, people without power for days and that remains unsolved. the thing that was the catalyst for this wasn't metcalf california back in 2013 and that was highly sophisticated. it became kind of the model that spawned in the dark corner

of the internet in the white nationalist world saying that we really have to exploit this. and to bring it forward. >> we would be going into a new era where there was a time not that long ago, where you can get on the airplane with a ticket would -- we are well past that. we've got a situation where five or ten years or now it would be unthinkable that we would leave so much of our grid exposed in this way. >> by the way, i think we are self dimension, we just spent the rise of antisemitism as a key function in this group. this whole power grid thing is dedicated in putting antisemitism to the side for second, the prolonged blackout in the pressure of society would cause a race for. so the thinking behind all this to rate the jews, made the black, we want to cause chaos on a national level. >> okay, thank you all very much. just ahead, we're gonna hear directly from officials at the

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there's been a rush of animal tempering incidents in the zoo. including the temporary theft of two emperor tamarind monkeys. and has staff members on edge. while police have arrested and charged one young man, zookeepers are worried that more animals could still be endangered. cnn's andy lavandera explains.

>> the highflying's are oblivious to the fact that their little corner of the dallas zoo is a crime scene that's garnered worldwide attention. for the humans at the zoo, it has been and nearly month long nightmare. >> they broke into the building. >> harrison adele is the dallas zoo executive vice president of animal care and welfare. he is showing us where the mysterious break-ins, escapes, possible murder and animal abductions occurred. it started here, in this enclosure, which is home to four lemur monkeys. he said that they found a fourth would high cut in the match. >> we also noted that some of the climate measures in the habitat was broken. it literally collapsed. it made us think, an animal larger than a lemur have been here. >> none of the monkeys escaped -- >> a lot of, us an animal care those who have gone to similarly dark places in our mind in the last months. >> you could almost picture whoever was in there, chasing the skies. it would be frank it --

frantic for the animals. i >> could only imagine how frantic that is to have a person in their space that is trying to aggressively ground them. >> around the same time, to exhibit away, the clouded leopard habitat was cut open. a female leopard, named nova walked right out starting off with those who calls a code blue. >> swat team rolled out here that morning. that's gotta be terrifying. >> yes, someone heard the word leopard and thought, leopard look. third >> hydrants were used to search for the 25-pound cat, that afternoon to employee standing about 30 yards away from novus habitat found her. >> one of them said to the other one, why is that squirrel so off? there's a squirrel in the tree barking and down here in one of these cabinets, these caught up in the cabinet looking. -- >> there is the curator who said why is the squirrel so upset. >> lisa eventually, those mammal curator called for help. >> well, she is safe and sound -- >> she's safe and sound.

first with a maybe an isolated incident. somebody tried something and felt. >> it was just the beginning. a -- face vulture was founded. dallas police said, the rare bird had been wounded and then, last, week two rare emperor cameron monkeys were taken from this. >> i made a huge, cut in this wall of mesh right here in order to get into the habitat. >> the one-pound monkeys were found, the next, day in this abandoned house about 15 miles away. so officials say, the monkeys were unharmed. that last incident led police to arrest 24-year-old debut in urban, he's been charged with six counts of animal cold tea and two counts of blur girly into a building. but investigators say, he is not currently charged in connection to the death of the vulture. >> my name is joey -- >> wildlife experts say that the fascination with exotic animals is fueled by shows like tiger king. and social media influencers.

creating an underground road of exotic animals, as pets. >> it's a massive problem and globally, the illegal pet trade is, again, driving many animal towards extinction. and we think of it oftentimes, as kind of other world problems. this is an opportunity to let people know that animals need to be left alone in their homes. >> i don't sound so old when i say this, it doesn't help that social media influencers are saying to kids that it is cool to have this thing in your house. >> you think that that might be where the motivation? is that kind of influence? >> i do. i do. >> ed lavandera, cnn, dallas. okay, now, here in new york city, zookeepers at the central park zoo are desperate to recapture a eurasian eagle named follicle. authorities say the bird escape towards enclosure on thursday, after the exhibit was vandalized. the elephant spotted around central park and out on nearby fifth avenue, as well but i

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love the movie theater. when i was a, kid going to the theater was like, i mean you talked about it for a long time. >> it was an event, for sure. but i guess what i'm amused by is our seats, is it so crowded that this is going to work? i, mean once the last time you had to sit in the front row of a movie? people are going to the movies anymore. >> yes, that's the real point, it's that they have squandered a great opportunity. they have made us go and wait on to, lines a line to get into the theater, the line to get into the, food you have to fight for the seat and it might be a crappy seat. and they charge us all the same thing. it's a pretty miserable experience and a number of theaters have figured out that if you let people pick their seat, in advance, they will pay 40%, 50%, 100 percent more. just to be able to come in and have a decent -- >> so, you like this idea. >> you know what else theaters have figured, out if you serve booze, you are really popular. so a lot have done but do you, do you go to the movies? >> you, know it's hard, when

you have no movies that you want to watch from your couch, and you can make your own snacks instead of spending your life savings on popcorn it is hard. and i feel for movie theaters. i, mean they kind of have this triple punch of streaming, everyone having these massive screens in their homes. and, then the pandemic. and i, think during the pandemic, people had a kind of hierarchy of risk and it was, like i want to take a risk to my friend and maybe go to work to see top gun, i don't know. >> i mean, think of the arrogance, you pay less for the bleachers, you know if you go to a sporting event, you can get standing room seats to stand to the back of the jazz club for broadway theater. >> somehow, they, thought everyone was going to pay full price for it like the worst seats in the building? >> it did work for decades, but here is what elijah wood, famous actor, had to say about this movie theater. it has always been a secret democratic space for. all, and this new initiative, by amphitheater, penalize people for lower income and reward for heart income. harold?

>> take out the best seat, they don't belong in the theater in the first place. >> i have to, say you go to one of these theaters with the super awesome reclining launders and those lights go down. i would pay more to get a good nap. i'll be honest. i have slept in a theater. and i don't regret. it i woke up refreshed. amazing. >> this is all good. absolutely. well, what we really need is a nap. well guys, thank you very, much good to spend time with you and thank you so much for watching everyone, our coverage continues, now.

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