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good morning. time it running out to find survivors in the rubble of the deadly quake, the one that's taken nearly 5,000 lives so far in turkey and syria. cnn is there. madam speaker, the president of the united states. [ applause ] >> we're live on capitol hill where tonight president biden will deliver his state of the union address. what he'll focus on and who will be in attendance. the spy balloon from china, new cnn reporting reveals why the trump administration apparently didn't notice spy balloons over the united states during their term. new this morning, ukraine hints at the ability to strike russian territory. another significant escalation in the nearly year-old war. also here on capitol hill today, a hearing into the nationwide travel issues, including the near miss between a fedex plane and southwest flight that came within 100 feet

of disaster. "cnn this morning" starts right now. ♪ ♪ we are going to begin in turkey and syria where countless people are still trapped beneath the mountains of rubble. >> ooh! >> dramatic video shows rescuers pulling a boy out of a collapsed building by his feet. that's in syria. the syrian white helmets say hundreds of families are still buried under debris from yesterday's catastrophic quake. the death toll has now topped 5,000 people. search and rescue teams have a colossal task in front much them. thousands upon thousands of collapsed buildings like these to dig through. freezing temperatures, powerful

aftershocks have slowed down rescue efforts and made the situation even more dire. crate to nick paton walsh live in turkey near the disaster zone. what's latest? >> reporter: yeah, you can see the sign behind me. the town hit closest to the epicenter of this startling tragedy. turkey getting its head around it at the moment. one the major problem about getting aid. part of the road missing and that's causing a delay in getting people out of the areas. we have seen the road jammed with people getting out. on the sides of it, because of the appalling weather, people have been in car accidents. but startling numbers here. we have gone from 24 hours ago a few hundred to 5,000 deaths, over 20,000 injured. as i say, the weather a real problem here. now it's clear we have had intermittent horizontal snaurnls coming at us here.

you can hear sirens on the road. we have seen three, four ambulances rushing past. we think that's from the town impacted that we are not far from. this is across the border of turkey with syria. a consistent disaster. the town significantly hit fourth east as well. and that is inside turkey which has declared a state of emergency for three months in the areas worst hit. across the border in syria you have to remember that they don't have the same infrastructure, the same rescue resources here. they have been beleaguered by years of war. now the u.n. are saying they have to slow down or halt temporarily the supply of food aid. you see a constant stream of excavators trying to get people out. another ambulance here coming behind me. part of this effort wherever you look, frankly. you see the insurgency to push through traffic.

this is the problem really because it's the klay delay, the damage done. it's the weather which is making it hard for turkey, reasonably well versed prepared for something like this, to get the people it needs out of the rubble fast enough. they have a small urgent window here, particularly for children, particularly for more fragile court on to the rubble. the thousands of collapsed house has turkey's just beginning to get an idea of now, that will get smaller and smaller and the temperatures are far from a friend here. the bitter enemy they are fighting. >> nick paton walsh live in turkey, thank you. appreciate that. as we continue to monitor that, tonight president biden is set to deliver his second state of the union address. his first though with a gop house majority. the president is expected to focus on his accomplishments in the path ahead before a divided congress and a republican house speaker who will be sitting over his left shoulder that is determined to block his agenda. the white house communications

director previewed the speech last hour with don. >> we are going to hear from him tonight about the things we have accomplished in the first two years that are making a difference in people's lives. 12 million jobs, historic low unemployment, wages going up, investments in our infrastructure, our roads and bridges, historic gun safety legislation. so, yes, the american people are going to hear from the president tonight about what we have accomplished in the first two years and also about the path forward. >> she said we should expect president biden to address police reform, domestic terrorism, the rise of hate in america. often the state of the union is one of the largest audiences that a president gets when they are in office. it's a moment to really talk about what they have accomplished and we were talking about that abc "washington post" poll that says a lot of americans don't feel that biden accomplished that much. the white house will be trying to change that tonight.

you can see the priorities reflected in their guests. the family of tyre nichols will be there, the ukrainian ambassador to the u.s., brendan sigh, who disarmed the shooter in monterey park, paul pelosi among those notable names who will be sitting there. >> on the china front in that zoom withb brian at the white house, i asked the white house after the balloon incident has his position on china and any economic policies, et cetera, changed, and they were very clear how firm the president will be. we will see if they updated that. >> interesting to see how much influence that platoon has had on the culture and on politics. >> james comer told you it's what everyone's talking about. >> also, kaitlin, the families who were impacted by police violence are invited to the state of the union as well. they were invited by the congressional black caucus. so this is going to be probably more topics than in recent

history to be handled by a sitting president who, quite frankly, doesn't have a very good approval rating, special when it comes to the economy rate now. there is a balancing act between you talk about police reform. he wants to probably keep the police unions happy. people at home concerned about crime and also people who want police reform. that's going to be a delicate dance he is walking tonight, among other things. >> you see by the end of the speech they mention a lot of topics. they want to get everything in. of course, we will be watching it all here, we will be here on capitol hill tomorrow and anderson cooper and jake tapper will be hosting live coverage tonight of president biden's state of the union address. that starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern. new this morning, residents of grand forks, north dakota, are worried about chinese spying and they scheer a vote by their city council. >> all those in favor, say aye. opposed, same sign. motion carries unanimously. >> woo!

[ cheers and applause ] >> usa! usa! >> that was a unanimous vote by the city council to pull the plug on plans by few feng to build a corn mill in the city. some were concerned about deepening economic ties with china. others speculated it could be used for spying on an air bofor base 15 miles away. a top official weighed in, calling the project a significant threat to national security. the city council vote coming right on the heels of that suspected chinese spy balloon shot down by u.s. air force. nba fans are eagerly awaiting the lakers versus oklahoma city thunder game homing to see thunder from lebron james because he may make history tonight. he is only 36 points away from becoming the nba's all-time leading scorer.

>> that's insane for one individual to be on the brink of all-time scoring in nba history and top five all-time in assists. and he is not a point guard. you know, it is truly remarkable for that to be accomplished. but it makes it weird for me when i think that it's actually me who is doing it. >> that makes it weird on me. >> this been stressful at all? the chase? >> no. because it was never a goal. it was never a journey. the stressful part for me is competing every single day to try to bring home -- >> there you go. cnn's omar jimenez live in los angeles very early this morning, especially in the west.

omar, good morning to you. listen, we don't want to get ahead of ourselves, don't want to jinx anything. you know 36 points, that's, you know, in game for lebron, he can do it? >> reporter: yeah, look, for someone like me, i would be lucky to have 36 career points in the nba. for lebron, this is something he has done before. he is averaging 30 a game. wept for 46 last month. anything is possible here. but this is one of those once in a generation milestones if they even come at all. lebron wasn't even born the last time this record was set by kareem abdul-jabbar. and he has said, lebron has said that this is one of those records you don't think or believe will ever be broken, yet here he is. and for good reason. we are talking more than 38,000 career points at the highest level of basketball, over 20 seasons in the nba. and a lot of people think it will happen tonight. look at the ticket prices.

tickets are going for, reselling for hundreds of dollars. in the way, way back, if you want to sit courtside, tens of thousands of dollars, up to $75,000 just for the chance to see lebron make history against a non-playoff team at this point. people are coming to see the king again potentially make history. >> all right. omar, we'll be there watching. poppy will be watching. >> thank you. coming up after a blockbuster jobs report should be reorder about a recession? next, we are squoind by one of the fed presidents. neel kashkari is here. ♪ ♪are you ready for me♪ ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you readyy♪ (cecily) what's up, einstein? (einstein) my network has gone kaput! (cecily) you tried to save a buck on it? (einstein) not so smart. (cecily) well, there is a smarter way to save. (cecily)stn) switch to verizon!

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. you don't have a recession when you have 500,000 jobs and the lowest unemployment rate in more than 50 years. so what i see is a path in which inflation is declining significantly and the economy is remaining strong. >> what recession? that was treasury secretary janet yelp saying the probability of a u.s. recession is low this year after the u.s. economy added more than 500,000 jobs in a january, shocked everyone, including our next guest. does that mean the fed needs to hike interest rates more? let's ask someone in charge of that. neel kashkari. does it mean you have to hike more aggressively, maybe longer? >> it deals me that we still have more work to do. we are not seeing much of an impact of the hikes that we have done the last year. yet showing up in the job market. we want americans to find work,

we want the kwajs to be strong. right now the labor market is actually too hot that's going to make it harder to bring inflation down. >> morne work to do. more rate hikes than you thought? >> more rate hikes or holder them at a higher level for longer. >> how high? >> i penciled in 5.4%. i am a little bit higher than some of my colleagues. the committee will deliberate, look at the data and make the call. somewhere above 5%. >> 5.4%? >> that's where i am. >> the biden administration, biden will no doubt in the state of the union tonight tout lower inflation. a lot of your colleagues at the fed see it that way. you don't see it as optimistically. is the biden administration wrong? >> no. no question headline inflation is down. that's the prices we pay for food, gasoline -- >> wage growth? >> but if you strip it along, there are different components of inflation. there are good signs like the prices you buy for goods are

coming down, which is also good news. but the wage growth and the services part of the economy is still very, very strong, very hot. i got in an airplane yesterday from minneapolis to new york. the planes are full. >> i know. >> the services part. economy is really tight right now. >> okay. let's talk about inflation with this. we brought props. >> okay. >> thanks to the team who went to whole foods. this is how you think about inflation. this is lasagna. it's not the stouffer's that you have. this is like a fancy lasagna. talk about shopping and what it tells you about inflation. >> i do the shopping. when the pandemic hit i started doing the shopping for my family to keep my family safe, wie mask up and go out. i pay attention to grocery prices. there is a lasagna that used cost $16 you now it's around $21. that's my measuring stick of how inflation is going. i love to see the prices of the food we buy every day come down.

>> and eggs and orange juice. and we are not peaked wyesterda. >> some of the prices have come down. eggs in have some unique things. the prices of fight, vegetables, the prices of meats, they are not as high as they were. >> recession. not only did janet yellen sound optimistic. the head of the imf cold "60 minutes" sunday night they don't think the u.s. is going to fall into a recession. do you think the u.s. is going to fall into a recession? >> i am not forecasting a recession. here is the thing. the job market is stronger than i expected which means it's less likely he will be in recession. it also means it's less likely inflation is going to tall to 2% the way we need to it to. it's a mixed signal. >> a weird way to live, isn't it? we haven't had something like that before. is it possible we could get inflation down without a

significantly cooling labor market or is that impossible? >> i wouldn't say it's impossible. we want to achieve what we call a soft landing, a gradual return to #% inflation where the labor market cools a little bit but we avoid a recession. there is not a great track record of pulling that off. that's what we are nervous about. >> we also haven't had an economic situation like this before. a lot of it caused by a pandemic we haven't seen before. it's sort of all new unchartered territory. >> exactly right. >> let's talk debt ceiling. a really necessary topic. no doubt it will come up in the state of the union. secretary yellen has warned about this, writing that letter to speaker mccarthy saying, congress, do your job and raise the debt ceiling. if they don't, there will be economic and financial catastrophe she says. how concerned are you, level one to ep ten, ten the most extreme of a default in joune? >> it would be a catastrophe. i agree with secretary yellen.

i am hopeful that the political leaders in washington, the white house, the treasury secretary, congress comes together and comes up with a solution. it's not for the federal reserve. we have no ability to affect this. it's up to the elected leaders to come together and reach an agreement and they need to. >> brian moynihan, the ceo of bank of america, told me yesterday, bank of america is, and i think every, you know, ceo is preparing contingency plans for a potential default. do you think it's more likely this time around than 2011, 2013? >> i don't know. >> you are not more worried given this situation in congress? >> 2011 was also quite fraught, i think, politically, and i just -- i am not a -- i can't read the political signs well enough to know is this more dicey than in 2011. but the stakes are -- the stakes are what secretary yellen said. >> that high. let's end on this. there is a lot of debate over whether it actually makes seen, even though congress has the

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we did the right thing and there is not -- it's just the reality. >> president biden says the u.s. did the right thing in shooting down the chinese suspected surveillance balloon. he maintained he always wanted to bring it down as soon as it was appropriate. joining us to talk about this is

democratic senator tim kaine of virginia, a member of the foreign relations committee and announced he is running for re-election in 2024. we will talk politics in a moment. there is that all senators classified briefing on the surveillance balloon thursday. what questions do you still have? >> i think finding out what china is up to the earlier instances of balloons over the united states during the last administration, how we put the dots together to figure this one out. what intelligence we collected from the balloon. once the biden administration realized it was there, we did things both to block it from gaining access to our information and also gather intelligence from the balloon to figure out what china is up to. obviously, thing that was recovered or has been recovered, what does that tell us about chinese plans. >> the president says he doesn't worry this weakens u.s./china relations. >> it shows the strain. it was incompetent, inexcusable, very poorly timed because cheney, by all accounts, was

looking forward to the secretary blinken visit. they have significant economic challenges. they want to maybe do a little bit of a reset in the relationship with the united states and then this incompetent, you know, bungled effort blew up in their face and it shows the strains in the relationship, but, look, the u.s./china relationship is probably the most important bilateral relationship in the world for the next half century or longer, and we want to figure out -- we are going to the competitors and adversaries in some spaces. are there areas we can cooperate. we have to have communication to figure that out. >> president biden will be speaking about china tonight in the state of the union address. it's important for any president. one of the biggest tv audiences they get. what is important? >> it's important for him to just demonstrate american strength. i think it's not just words. the actions of the last year, remember last year the state of the union happened a few days after russia invaded ukraine. and what president biden has

done is assembled a global coalition of democracies willing to stand for ukrainian democracy against an illegal invasion by a dictator. the message is not lost on xi jinping. the democracies of this world are not bystanders, they are not on their back foot. they are able to link arms against dictators and certainly against dictators that are contemplating invasions and i think president biden needs to demonstrate the resolve of the united states, but also our ability to forge alliances that are strong. >> one thing the white house also wants him to talk about are legislative accomplishments. a new poll showed that a majority of americans don't believe he achieved much since taking office. why is that? >> you know, kaitlin, i think there is still a covid hangover. a million people died and in that same time we have had economic challenges, we had an attack on the capitol, two impeachment trials, racial justice protests driven by

horrible instances of violence against folks by police and just it's been a very, very difficult time. and my experience, i am almost 65, is that during challenging times people are a little bit weary about letting it their hopes come up and they are a little bit slow because in a time like this they don't want to have their hopes dashed. you have seen president biden not only achieve legislative victories, but victories making a difference. prescription drug costs down for seniors, job growth at record levels, manufacturing back and booming. i see this around virginia. a commitment to american infrastructure and research that has been unparalleled since the eisan how administration. as i go around virginia i think people are starting to get the hang of it. they don't yet see everything that they want to see. they are weary about getting their hopes up. but i think what president biden needs to do is emphasize the wins and say you ain't seen nothing else. we got more to do. >> he is expected to announce he

is running for re-election, too. you know how brutal the campaign trail to be. how important for his delivery tonight? >> i think he has a lot that he can promote that we've gotten done. the good news, you mentioned he has legislative wins with the exception of the american rescue plan and the inflation reduction act, the wins, infrastructure, chips, veterans bill, gun safety, bipartisan. he can say i spent 36 years in the senate, eight years as vice president making deals, including across the aisle. this is what we need in this country right now is people willing to work together and i know how to do it in a way that nobody else can match. >> and we have kevin mccarthy will be there, republican house speaker, over his left shoulder. senator tim kaine, thank you. appreciate your time. i am so excited. are you for this next story? >> what are you talking about?

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our next guest's dream is to become an astrophysicist. taking the steps towards that dream. he finished high school in under three years with a 4.0 gpa and finished a nester of college. here is the i can kicker. he is 9. that is him. in addition being one of the youngst high school graduates in the company, he is a member of me mensa. his parents join us now. my goodness. >> good morning! >> hey, david. how is college? >> good. >> what was it like graduating from high school at 9? >> well, everybody started talking about how this is an incredible accomplishment, and i was thinking how all i did was

graduate. and then my mom saying, yes, you graduated at the age of 9, and then i say, yeah, i graduated. what's the big deal? you graduated at the age of 9. so what is the big deal? >> so what is the big deal? do you know what the big deal is? this is normal to you? >> it just comes. you just, for me, you just do it. >> so, mom and dad, what did you do? every parent watching is like, wait a minute, what did they do and what am i doing wrong? did you do anything special, you think, or different that puts david ahead of the pack? >> i think you just have to listen to your child and get outside of the box. he was the one leading the charge. he is the one that was motivated. i just had to break out of the box and think outside of the normal schooling, think outside

of what people know and what i know growing up and just give him a chance to be and do what he is dreaming to be and do. >> what could you mean by that? >> sorry. go ahead, dad. >> go ahead. >> in addition to that, there are so many factors that we saw very early when david was growing up. he is the type that is very curious about everything. and everywhere we went, he always asked, what is this? what is that? and then if you explain and you use big words, he will want you to break it down and it he will me what does that mean. and when he comes with me to my clinic, i have an outpatient psychiatric clinic. when he comes to me, i mean, to the clinic, he always asks

questions. why do you do this as opposed to doing that? and what does this mean? instead of, you know. and you have to explain without explaining, if you know what i mean, because you still have to pay attention to the requirements of the law. we keep presiatients' informati highly confidential because of the hippa law. and i still have to break it down for him. i never said to him, shut up! or go and do something else. no. i would take the time to break this down. >> dad, i am going to make this point with poppy. when i was a kid, my mom would pull me back, i'd go talk to meme my dad would say don't make him afraid of people. let him be curious.

you do the same thing. don't tell them no. >> we can't do that now, but what else can we do. david, what do you want to be when you grow up, david? >> well, there are a few things that i want to be. an astrophysicist, an engineer, a nuclear chemist, a software developer, to rocket edngineer. what's the last one? website designer. >> nothing like -- a ballplayer would be great, too. he has all kinds of skills. sure he could do it. david and mom and dad, we have a surprise for you, okay? ready? >> okay. >> one of the world's most famous scientists wants to say hi to you. astrophysicist neil degrasse tyson is here with us. hi, neil, good morning! >> are you serious? >> hey, everybody. hey!

hey, david. >> good morning! >> how are you? >> yeah. hey, david, i was 9 when i decided i wanted to be an astrophysicist, except i was still in fourth grade, okay? [ laughter ] in case you didn't know this, it is unusual to be entering college at that grade. but the greatest value to knowing this early, what you might want to do, looks like you are giving yourself a few options there, and that's great. the greatest value is you can align decisions related to your life to feed that interest and curiosity. so that by the time you become a professional in that world, your whole life has been invested on that pathing else you could ima. so i am especially intrigued you know what you want to be when you are grown up. so you are kind of already grown

up, so i don't know what that means. >> david, is there anything you want to is say to the great neil degrasse tyson before he with got to go? >> well, we are really blessed to have you talk to david. i mean, he has read so much about you and heard so much about you and every time he sees you on the tv and doing something somewhere, he is always impressed. >> dad, let him talk about it. >> to talk to you -- >> let him talk about it, dad. >> go ahead. >> how to you feel? >> yes. >> go ahead. >> how do you feel? >> so, i have created -- so i was in my earth and science high school class. i created a theory to refute "the big bang theory." >> wow!

>> we love new ideas. >> so the main -- thanks. >> keep going. >> so the main part of the theory is that matter cannot be created or destroyed. according to the big bang theory, i guess you will call it bal cosmic eck, something like that, it was infinitely dense. in order for it to be infinitely dense, it has to be constantly creating matter. >> oh, my gosh. >> but in order for it to constantly be creating matter, it would have to rviolate the laws of physics. since we are technically talking about the universe, not all the space outside of the universe, then the laws of physics should still apply. >> wait. neil, hang on one second. we have to go, sorry, david, we

are just out of time. i don't mean to be disrespectleful from a 9-year-old who graduated college. neil, is he schooling you right now? we got to run. >>ing so we love new ideas. that challenge our previous ideas. in the end, david, come up with a way to test your idea. then we can then hand it over to people with telescopes and space probes and this sort of thing and we can see if your new hypothesis about the universe is correct, that that's how we do that. that's how we roll on the frontier. >> we roll -- we have time. we have to deal with time issues here and get to breaks and pay the bills. we are so happy to have all of you on. david, best of luck to you. mom and dad, as well. neil, very kind of you. >> my day has been made. >> by the way. >> go ahead. >> my podcast coming to the keswick theater in pennsylvania outside of philly at the end of march. i would be delighted to offer

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theaters, right, just as americans are getting back to the movie theaters amc the country's largest movie theater chain is rolling out a new way of charging for tickets. say what? moviegoers will soon have the option to pay more or less depending on where they choose to sit. joining us now cnn's business correspondent rahel solomon. wait, what is this all about? >> right. so the movie industry -- >> preferred seating? >> exactly. premium seating essentially. the movie industry is trying to find that secret sauce, that it factor that gets people back into theaters. they've been trying different promotions and different ideas. amc saying depending on where you sit that will determine your price. if you want that best seat in

the middle of the theater, you might pay a premium for that. but if you are willing to sit in the front row, maybe withstand a bit of neck pain to look up at the screen, well, you can save a bit of money there and the rest of the seats will be the traditional price. why are they doing this? of course to add to the bottom line, to increase the average ticket price because the industry is still not where it was before the pandemic. so the hope here is that it adds to the bottom line, but it is also not without its risk because you could turn off some consumers. one research analyst who follows the company very closely told me, look, he is cautiously optimistic. mike hickey told me he is cautiously opt miss i can that it could provide an aggregate price in boost but could damage the movie gore experience. >> is nicole kidman going to do a new amc promo about this? that is all i know and that is for our teammate andrew. >> i don't have the answer for

that but everybody is talking about the idea would you pay more to have a good seat. >> the producer is looking at me did i get it wrong? it was right. >> the seat is right on my couch watching -- >> it's not the experience. >> i love going to the movies. >> okay. >> i'm just messing with you guys. thank you, rahel. van jones is here live. >> oh, no. >> the countdown -- don't listen to him -- to the state of the union. >> van is like what? >> he is here in-person. yeah. i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the rereal honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry.y. (cecily) what's up, einstein? (einstein) my network has gone kaput! (cecily) you tried to save a buck on it? (einstein) not so smart. (cecily) well, there is a smarter way to sa. (einstein) oh?! (cecily) switch to verizon! (vo) that's right. for a limited ti get verizon unlimited for just $25 a line, guaranteedor 3 years. (einstei brilliant! (vo) only on verizon.

do you want to tell them what you were asking? >> i was asking where our flower arrangement was. van is our flower arrangement. >> exactly. >> tonight president biden will take the stage for a second state of the union, joining us

now cnn political commentator and former special adviser to president obama, van jones. >> good morning. >> what are you looking for? >> first of all, as you guys know, i'm happy to criticize democrats, i'm a democrat, happy to praise republicans. you are not going to have to fake it tonight if you are a democrat. joe biden is going to be able to talk about a record of passing legislation that is historic. when you are talking about the biggest investment in climate ever, when you are talking about getting something done on gun safety, talking about marriage equality, when you are talking about bipartisan stuff on infrastructure, there is a bunch of great stuff that he has done, but the american public is not tuned into that. americans are still, i think, sad about a bunch of other stuff so he has a great case to make tonight and i think he's going to make it. >> i don't know if you saw in my interview with kate benningfield at the white house and i asked why do you feel americans rpt getting the message? i said is it the communications department, is it the president and was it us as well, i was

remiss in not asking is it the media as well. >> there is real bad news to talk about. there's economic pain that's still out there, the hangover from covid is real, inflation has been tough. all the police stuff we just went through. there's reason for people to be sad but there's reason to be glad, too. the thing is starting to turn around, america's government has been working on some of these problems and i think sometimes we're scared to be happy, we're almost scared to hope and i think tonight we should start to turn that around. >> i feel like i keep wishing every session -- >> kaitlan, you're there, you're previewing the state of the union. >> van, i'm curious what you think will be different with the dynamic looking so different. it will look different with kevin mccarthy before over president biden's left shoulder instead of speaker nancy pelosi. that dynamic is what i will be watching tonight. i wonder what you make of it. >> it's going to be very interesting. does kevin mccarthy want to signal to the american people that he is a grown up, that he's there for serious business?

he had a great meeting with president biden, does he want to follow up on that, or is he going to start trying to play to the cheap seats, signal to the base that i'm going to roll my eyes and puff and a bunch, tear up the speech like nancy pelosi did. it will be a big part of the theatrics. also you will have a bunch of conservatives sitting there, they're thinking, hey, if i throw a paper airplane or spit wad or do something nutty i can get famous tonight. people have been rewarded like marjorie taylor greene for being unconstructed, are they going to show out? is kevin mccarthy going to scold them? what's going to happen with the republicans dealing with what i think will be a strong speech for the president with a strong track record to run on. >> you mentioned earlier in the show the congressional black caucus not only will tyre

nichols's family be there but also victims of gun violence. >> one thing president biden has not been able to get something done is get something done on police reform. >> right. >> he did the executive order, it matches a little bit with trump's executive order but everybody knows the executive order is not enough, you have to get legislation done. that is the one undone piece of business and i think the more pressure on that the better >> cory booker said this weekend he and tim scott never stopped talking. >> that's a tightrope because he has to appease the progressives who want to say defund the police although they don't talk about that anymore. that's not what president biden has ever said and it's not an initiative for the democratic party. the people who want police reform, law enforcement, he's got to walk that tight line, and also, you know, people who are concerned about crime, quite frankly. >> the reality is they got very, very close and tim scott and cory booker and karen bassly couldn't get the last is% of it

done. given what's happened with tyre i think there is a reason to go forward. also you do have tim scott who maybe wants to run for president, this could be an opportunity for him to step up and show some leadership. >> thank you. >> well, we look forward. >> like i said, if biden had switched on everything and wasn't able to give a good speech tonight, going to have to spit a bunch of nonsense i would say. he's got good stuff to say, you will be happy. tune in. >> truth, like having a shared reality and what facts are, because we've been truth challenged. >> i think that there is a shared reality you can talk about a lot of the stuff he got done was bipartisan. it doesn't have to be a negative partisan speech. he can brag on the other party for helping him in the past and talk about how they can go forward together. this should be a good speech tonight. >> van jones, thank you very much. kaitlan, we will see you tonight and tomorrow, so make some room, squish the chairs over for us there. >> i'm warning you, it's a