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heartbreaking images continuing to come out of turkey and syria this morning. rescuers there doing their best to dig through tons of debris hoping, looking for survivors after monday's massive 7.8 earthquake and the number of incredibly strong aftershocks. i wanted to warn you, and we have shown you them before, but the images that you are about to see are disturbing. as of this moment, at least 5,000 people that we know of have been killed, including this 15-year-old, and her father sitting distraught clutching her hand after she was crushed under layers of rubble. >> that poor man and little girl and did not survive with conditions brutal and stuck outside under freezing temperatures and waiting for some help to come. >> translator: i have two nephews in the wreckage behind me, and at 2:00 yesterday,

building collapsed and hundreds more buildings like this, and thousands under the rubble, and the turkish authorities won't let them save us by our means, but they won't send anyone to help either. >> officials have said that hundreds of aftershocks have rocked the area, including one that is as strong as the original one, and look at the buildings just collapsing into dust before our eyes. becky anderson is in turkey, and we spoke to you earlier, and you were trying to see a rescue there earlier, and describe what you are seeing there earlier. >> jim, it is heartbreaking, and it is that they are about to call for quiet once again. this building behind me has completely collapsed. as the search and rescue teams here understand it, they believe that there are more than 15 people still in the rubble

beneath this building. if you are just looking to the building on the left-hand side, you can see the extent of the building as it stood just some 40 hours ago before that earthquake at 4:30 in the morning on monday. and now they are just turning generator down, and i am going to stand out of the shot, because they are going to call for quiet, and it sounds as if they are now going to be hoping for an extraction. we will wait for it, because they have kept the generator on, and that means they have not asked for silence as of yet. they have heard the voices, jim, of three people during the period of time that we have been here. so they are hoping, and they aring to be able to extract people alive still from here. there is hope. it has been 40 hours now, and it

is bitterly cold. it is just about minus 1 here at present and it was bitterly cold here at 4:00 in morning when it struck, and there are pockets where people can be alive and over the years when we have reported on this, people do survive if they are warm and if they have water, they can survive for as many as 13 day, but obviously the search and rescue becomes a recovery situation the longer that the things go on, and we have been talking to people who are gathered here and people just behind me here with their blankets on, and this group of people over here from this building, and we have been talking to a gentleman whose mom and dad live in this building. he was in tears. he is just hoping that his mom and dad may survive this, but

yeah, it is a desperate situation here in gaziantep, and my apologies, because i am watching the van behind me, as people are just hoping for good news behind me, jim. >> and becky, there are dozens of countries committed to sending the aid, and some of the teams are in the region, but part of the challenge in some of the areas is not having enough people in the ground, but getting to some of the areas, right, becky? >> you are absolutely right, and we came a in with the emirati team, and they sent a search and rescue team, and sent equipment, and huge equipment and ambulances and search and rescue vehicles, and so we came in on that aid flight overnight, and they are one of as i understand it of 50 countries sending in the equipment, sonar devices and dogs and assets on the ground, and equipment, and to ensure

that there is as much done as possible in the situations like this, but you are absolutely right to point out that ga gaziantep is a relatively new town and the services are relatively new and robust and as we came in from the airport a lot of the buildings retained structure and it is not clear coming in from the airport that all buildings from any stretch of the imagination have been affected, but some areas in town where you can see the devastation behind me and that is all up and down this area, and so the teams coming in are crucial, because the turkish authorities are stretched in a relatively modern and relatively modern city like gaziantep so you can only imagine in the cities as gloes epicenter of

this earthquake but by no means as robust to say that the older buildings, and buildings that weren't built to withstand a quake like this, and don't forget at 7.8, and this is the first quake. there has been as you are rightly point out more than 100 aftershock, and some of them as big as the original aftershock. it is unclear at this point just what sort of devastation exists outside of this area, and spare a thought for those in aleppo and i spoke to a gentleman who spoke to his sister, and they have no electricity or fuel and they are in a mosque a family i am referring to are sheltering in a mosque and she is saying that the buildings around her are devastated in aleppo and very little aid getting into that area, and much easier to get the aid into here, jim. >> that image of the father

holding his daughter's hand is impossible to forget. i hope you get some extractions. becky anderson, thank you. i imagine that you want to help. for more information of how to help the victims in turkey and syria go to cnn.com/impact, and there are vetted charities who have a number of good ways to do your part. tonight, president biden is going to capitol to give his second state of the union speech, but his first of a divided congress. the first lady has invited 26 guests, nancy pelosi and the family of tyre nichols, and bono and oksana markarova and brandon

tsay. >> the administration says this is an important time for the president to talk about the progress of the administrations whether it is the economy or covid and they see it as a real turning point, but it is not a status check on where the country is standing right now from the president's perspective, but it is also going to be an incredibly important political speech for this president, because we expect it to serve as a preview and dry run for re-election announcement that we expect to come in the coming weeks. as we expect him to look back on the last two year, we expect him to paint the affirmative vision and picture of what he wants to

get done in the next two year, but keep in mind there is somebody sitting behind him for the first time in this setting, and that is of course house speaker kevin mccarthy and just a reminder all throughout the night that the president now confronts a newly divided congress, and we saw mccarthy giving a prebuttal of sorts of some of the things that he would like the president to get done, but there is a big reminder to night that the political environment that he is facing the next two years is going to be entirely different than what he has had in the last two years. >> m.j. lee at the white house, thanks so much. so with me to discuss more of the president's speech, we will have doug high and maria cardona. and maria, the numbers are not looking good. 62% of the americans don't think that he has accomplished much,

and most of those in his own party does not want him to run in 2024, and how does he start tonight? >> he is going to start with the massive accomplishments that he has done with the democrats in congress, and frankly some of the republicans as well. he will start with those, jim, and some of those laws are going to be game-changing, and the fact is that some of them are not implemented and they will be now, and he is going to talk about them tonight, and the cabinet will fan out across the country tomorrow, and they will talk about the things that they have been able to accomplish for the american people moving forward and we have been talking about this earlier, this is the president who has been underestimated every time he sets out to do something, and this is where this man thrives that every single time that he has put forth a plan or agenda or run for office, they say he

can't do it, he is not popular enough or effective enough, and every single time he doesn't just get it done, but he is surpassing the expectation, and that what is going to happen tonight and the nex two year, and the contrast with kevin mccarthy in the back is going to remind people what kevin mccarthy had to go through to get there, striking a corrupt bargain and who knows how many deals to break with the maga extremists in his party, and this is going to be a big contrast with the massive accomplishments of the last democratic congress. first is what this republican congress can get accomplished. >> doug high, a republican point of view here, and maria there has a point there in midterm, and something about biden in the democratic messages worked to overperform there, but as you know, the elections are won and lost with the independents and moderate republicans, and can he change the minds tonight?

>> it is not clear if he can. so much has changed in the past three months. the week after the election day, and we often say in the politics the rhetoric and the reality. the rhetoric said that the republican party is dead, because of the extreme candidates and maga if you want to say that, but now the democrats haed victory rally, but now with kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house, it means that biden legislation is done as far as getting the things through the capitol hill, and so he can talk about the debt ceiling, and there are accomplishment, but it is very much about janet jackson, what have you done for me lately, and this is going to be difficult for him for the next year or two. >> maria, a point, and he is not going to be passing massive bills with the republicans controlling the hour, and he has simple things to do like raising

debt ceiling to keep the country from falling off the cliff. >> that is the point, jim, they will be able to look at what kevin mccarthy can get done led by the maga extremist, and compared to what he got done with the congress controlled by the democrats, and that is going to be a huge thing, we investigated hunter biden's laptop, and that not what people voted them into office with a slim majority to do. and they promised when they ran in the mid-terms solutions on the inflation, on the border and crime, and what is first thing they announced, we want to impeach congresswoman omar ilhan. >> and now, last hour, i talked

about the outreach to the republican, and this is something that biden has done against the advice of his own party, and here is the answer, and i want your response. >> he has extended the olive branch to speaker mccarthy and had him at the white house, and he has extended the olive branch to republicans and we have seen mitch mcconnell in kentucky together, and so, the question is if the republicans will work with this president to get things done. >> is that a fair question? >> it is a fair question, and in 2013 joe biden was in the time 100, and the statement was written by joe kantor and specifically by me, and he worked with jesse helms when he was in the chair, and that is part of his dna and washington of 20 years ago, but it is not

of 2023, and it is going to take two hands to shake, but it is not clear if it is happening in the politics today. >> but they said it last congress, and they got the pac act and the chips bill, and so i think it is incumbent on to republicans if they want to kneel at the altar of the maga extremists, and people will blame the republicans and not joe biden. >> and one more, will they use the test of the maga test of whether he gets things done. jim heye and maria cardona, thank you. >> and a reminder of the state of the union to begin at 8:00 p.m. with anderson cooper and jake tapper. join us. >> and they say that a neo-nazi leader plotted to destroy baltimore. destroy baltimore by taking down

the power grid, and how they were stopped. and now, according to governor ron desantis, and who controls disney's theme parks. and the beyonce preconcert sales. are things going any better than the taylor swift fiasco? we will give youou an update.

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city. >> joining us is intelligence analyst john miller, and experts have been talk about the warnings of this sort of an attack, and here we are. >> we have been talk about this since december and white nationalist groups and neo-nazi groups attacking grid, and why the grid among all of the different infrastructure is because they feel it is the most vulnerable, because those attacks can be with sniper rifles and low-tech, low-cost and high impact. and what is the goal? if they can cause cascading and sustained and multiday and multiweek blackouts, they believe it can push towards what they call the accelerationism, and riots, and looting and the race wars and the toppling of the government, and it is sounding farfetched, but we have seen a marked increase of the

sabotage of power plants across the country. >> this is just one place, and you are talking about the increase, and how concerned are officials remaining about other places in the country and the vulnerabilities? >> well, that is a problem, because while they are extraordinarily concerned and investigating all of the incidents and not all of them tied to this, but there are a lot of conversations going on in the darkest corners of the internet, this is the greatest case of the prevention, and you have brandon russell, former head of a group that is running the new social order fresh out of prison from his stint of possession of explosives to topple the florida power grid and a woman who he met online who says she is dying of liver disease and she wants to do an attack before june and she has nothing to lose, and they have

all bought into this ideology. the trouble is that the internet takes these tiny groups and binds them together with more people than they would find on their own by the globalization of the internet. >> it is a scary thought. >> anyway, it will keep you busy as we know it. >> thanks. the story that we are following this morning is the courtroom in the alex murdaugh double murder, and now in the courtroom, one of his colleagues is testifying about some of his former crime, and they have heard these crimes, but the judge has cleared the way for this to be entered in front of the jury. >> randi kaye is outside of the courthouse, and so what is the purpose of this financial testimony. >> this is the secretary of his former law firm, and she has been put on the stand to show

the financial pressure that alex murdaugh was under the day that his wife and son were killed. she is going to testify that alex murdaugh was in the law firm that day, and she confronted him about a funds that were missing, nearly $800,000 of funds that were missing and he left the law firm for the day soon after that, and that is part of the alleged financial crimes testimony that has been cleared for the jury to hear. yesterday, there was another woman on the stand whose testimony really could be key. she was a care giver for alex murdaugh's mother, and she was at the house the night of the murder, and she said that alex gave there and she gave testimony not only about what he was wearing, but how he was acting that night, and whether or not he had blood on him. and she said that he came to the house at 9:00 p.m., and that is about the time of the murders, but she shared this significant conversation that she with him

following that. listen to what she told the court. >> just to be clear, what was the statement that you said about how long he was here? >> 30 to 40 minutes. >> but his phrase was, i here. >> i was here 30 to 40 minutes. >> why did you call your brother after that? >> because he is assistant chief of police and i called him. >> and that statement of alex murdaugh affected you? >> yes. >> how? >> i was nervous. >> she seemed to be suggesting that alex murdaugh was putting the pressure on her to say that he was there longer that evening, and she also testified about a blue tarp and blue rain coat that we will talk about today and whether or not that had residue on it.

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and it is looking like the pieces of the balloon infrastructure taking place off of the coast of south carolina. some of that debris has now made it to the fbi's laboratory in quantico, virginia, to be analyzed where they will try to extract whatever intelligence they can from it. >> these images released as the china government is saying this morn, hey, that debris, it is ours. it belongs to china and not the united states. good luck getting that back. and now joining us is carlos suarez at myrtle beach, south carolina, near the recovery this morning and oren liebermann is at the pentagon. and beginning with you, carlos, what is the latest on the recovery effort? >> well, jim and erica, that recovery effort is well under way and a few minutes ago, it appears that the fbi has started to secure an area about 21 miles north of the main debris site and an area just to my right, and it is where for the past three days the navy has

prepositioned a lot of the equipment and boats as well as personnel. in fact, were here bright and early this morning when more boats were brought out, and personnel were brought out, and these folks were carrying the equipment and oxygen tanks and at least two of the boats made their way towards that debris site. now for better part of the day, we are told that crews out of a few miles off of the coast of south carolina, they have been using equipment essentially to try to get a better sense of how much of this balloon is in some shallow water. they have apparently been able to remove all of the debris at the surface of the ocean, and however, they are trying to get a better picture of what is out there, and the hope is that once they are able to do that, they will be able to start the process of removing the debris, but it is our understanding that some of the debris has been put on a shape, and made its way to quantico for the fbi as well as other agencies to get involved,

but once again, 21 miles north of the main search site, it appears that the fbi is working with the navy to try to keep this area safe and secure in the event that any of the debris is brought out to this location. guys? >> oren, at the pentagon, we have been told that this surveillance balloon had surveillance capabilities, limited surveillance capabilities, and it is early in the investigation of the debris, but has the pentagon said anything that they have learned about the capabilities? >> it is going to be classified and it is not going to be coming out quickly or easily as the pentagon takes a look at this and pick it apart and pull it apart, and so now it is a quick world of wars as china went for repeatedly apologizing for this balloon saying it is off course

to almost indignant statement saying that this balloon is the property of china, and the u.s. is making it clear that it is over the u.s., and in u.s. air space and shot down in u.s. air space, and the u.s. is going to keep it. that is going to continue the exchange of words that we have seen over the last couple of day, and the change in tone from china has been interesting to follow, and again, going from apologetic, to almost indignant to this point, and china says it reserves the right to do the same to any balloons over china territory, and the u.s. says that it does not fly surveillance balloons over your territory, and the u.s. abides by international law. so we are seeing the continued exchange here as we see the ongoing recovery area. and the next step is the navy sailors going down to see the look of what is down there, and how big it is, and how best to lift it. >> in terms of the escalation,

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florida governor ron desantis is ratcheting up his fight with one of the biggest companies in his state. republican state lawmakers are proposing a bill to allow desantis to pick who governs disney's orlando area theme parks. >> the measure is likely to pass, and the republican-led legislature in a few week, and we are following this with leyla santiago, and what is in the bill, because a lot of people who are not in florida are scratching their heads and saying, wait, how can they do that with a company. so, ho su thw is this going to ? >> well, it is a complicated setup that disney has here, and in this bill, it is going to essentially give the florida governor more control over who governs walt disney world, and take some of the power away from disney. it is going to give the governor the ability to appoint who

serves on the board of the special district. the special district is called ready creek district for now anyway, and it has allowed disney to self-govern in the orlando area theme parks and maintain their own buildings and roads and have their own fire department. on that board right now land owners with ties, close ties to disney. this bill would change that, and put that control into the hands of the governor, and this bill would change the name of that special district. now, the republicans that i have talked to tell me, look, this is about leveling the playing field, and making sure that one company in this case, one of the largest employers in florida does not have any special privileges here, but the critics will remind you quickly of the history here, because this has been sort of the year-long feud of governor desantis, and disney, and if you can remember last year when florida decided

to strip disney of the special district this is coming at a time when the critics said it is about retaliation, and the governor seeking revenge for disney speaking out against a then-bill that limited how gender identity and sexual orientation was discussed in the classroom, and what disney is saying today, and we got a statement after the bill was filed yesterday, and in it, the president of walt disney world resort says that disney works under a number of different models, and jurisdictions in the world, and regardless of the outcome, we are committed to providing the highest quality experience of the millions of guests who visit each year. again, this is a bill, a very long bill, 189 pages filed yesterday for the special session. so we will have to see sort of the any changes or what is going to get through the legislature, but it is a legislature that is controlled by republicans. so by all accounts, it is expected to pass. erica, jim. >> well, thank you, leyla

santiago. well, the beehive is buzzing with activity and in a few hours, the fans who signed u for preaccess for her world tour will have a chance to snatch up the ticket, and everybody is watching with it intently, because remember t-swift and the ticketmaster, and boy, that was a mess, so, how are they doing it differently this time around for beyonce. and joining us is the chief tech and so we saw how poorly managed it was done before, and even had to go testify in front of congress. and so they are even rolling it out in a staggered fashion, and not all dates are on sale at the same time, and how is that working so far? >> much better. i am hearing the stories of people getting through in ten minutessh and it is the big difference of opening the door to a billion people all at once

or opening 100 doors scheduled over time, and you just even the best and the most powerful and scaled up system is going to have trouble when you do it all at once, and so that is a big difference, and the location base is a big difference, and they are trying with the preverification to weed out the bots. you are looking for before you get to the point of trying to buy these tickets, any type of activity that look like bot-like behavior. they have all of the different, and it is a lot of hoops to jump through, because you have to be kind of like a verified, and sign up for a fan sites, and multiple this or the beehive presale site, and the citibank, and you can sign up for any of those, but they reminding the people to say, i demand and no guarantee that you will get this, and even after you have done all of the verify case, you will get an access code that is texted to you, and it is very

important, because right away, it is two-factor authentication, and coming to the phone where you are registering the thing, and putting the people together with the ticket, and as opposed to the bot, it is harder for the bot to act as if it were human. >> there are questions of hopefully getting more of the bots out of the picture so they are not reselling them at astronomical prices where the humans are, and my producers and i found some seats nosebleed at $320 and you can pay a lot more there, and we are looking at the prices there, and in terms of limiting the resale though, there has been talk about shifting when and how you can resell your tickets. >> yeah, well, it is, at this moment, that is not happening. there are tickets for retale on

stubhub, and other sites like that, and on ebay, i found tickets for thousands of dollars. so people are turning around to resell the ticket, but i have not seen as many. so this process and the sort of the hurdles that ticketmaster has put in place seem to be helping some. >> it is such a difference of from what i remember sitting on the phone for hours on end trying to get through or even going to wait in line to get a ticket. i am dating us now, lance [ laughter ] >> and there were bots even back then we were fighting the technology, but it is just that now the technology is so much better and faster, and soy have to give ticketmaster credit here for what they have done, because at least at this moment, it is a better situation for people. >> and do you see it quickly, as see it the way of the future for the big super popular tours, and you have to jump through a few hoops and preregister, and a staggered rollout, and is that

the answer? >> well, it is certainly part of the answer, and what they have done it in the first place, and how they did not understand this would not happen, and by the way, it is a monopoly, and all of the ticket selling is how they have to do it in the future and continue to fight the bot, because the bots will change strategies starting now. >> lance, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> well, right now the lawmakers are getting the chance to grill the officials from the faa and the airline industry for the dangerous near misses and the southwest holiday meltdown, and details of what they are pressing for coming up. ...and our most advanced safety sysystem ever. ♪ ♪ if your business kept on employees through the pandemic, getrefunds.com can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per emoyee. then work with prossionals to assist your business

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happening now, officials from the fa, and the ntsb and the largest pilot union are on capitol hill for a highly anticipated session on safety, and they are to address the issues of the close call of a southwest jet and fedex jet that happened saturday in austin. >> it was so close. and look at that footage. they will examine a outage because of ground crew outage, and also, the stranded customers over the holidays. pete muntean is joining us, and what is the top of the list, because so much to discuss. >> well, really, the last two issues involving planes having near collisions on the runway are apparently taking center stage right away, and what is so

interesting is that we have already heard from the ntsb chair jennifer hamdi who tells me that those planes came within 100 feet of one another, and she is speaking at the hearing of the house transportation and infrastructure committee, and she said that what is so interesting here is that the cockpit transmit transformer data was lost in one of the plane, because the instrumentation, and the requirement right now is only for that data to last for two hours, and it records for two hour, and everyonething after t was discarded. so now they want it 24 hours. so this incident, and everything at jfk three weeks ago when two planes almost hit each other on the plane that continued to taxi, and the american airline

plane that taxied is on, and that went to london, and that voice was lost. so that is something they are zeroing in. >> and you have close encounter, and you are not automatically required to save the data. >> yes, in some cases, the data is wiped, and that is the key part here, that the ntsb is missing the key investigative data here. they have the air traffic control audio, and they will listen to interviews from the pilots, and listen to air traffic controllers involved in the case, but without the actual audio on the plane, but you can hear the throwing of the swi switches, and so it is granular insight, and that what the ntsb is zeroing in on. >> thank you, pete muntean.

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