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>> hello, and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states, and all around the world. welcome to cnn newsroom, i'm rosemary church. just ahead. >> some republicans want medicare and social security sunset. i'm not saying it is a majority. let me give you -- >> decorum goes out the window during president biden's state of the union address, some republicans openly booed and heckled him mid speech. rescuers racing against time to find survivors after the devastating earthquake that has

left more than 8700 dead in turkey and syria. >> thank you for joining us. the u.s. president has delivered his first state of the union address with a republican majority in the house of representatives. he brought an energetic, optimistic message to the country, despite facing some open hostility. one of joe biden's big themes was working across the aisle and he made a huge push for bipartisanship. >> i signed over 300 bipartisan pieces of legislation since becoming president. from reauthorizing the -- to the electoral count reform act, to respect for marriage act, to my republican friends, if we can work together in last, congress no reason we can't

work together and find consensus on this congress as well. >> but later in the address, mr. biden took a few swipes at republicans plans that were reportedly slashed looking entitlement programs like social security and medicare. and despite the house speaker's request, the republicans will be respectful, things got unruly. >> let me give you -- >> his accusations seem to trigger some republicans who yell liar from their seats, and the president seem to enjoy, that responding and -- he quipped and i enjoy conversion suggesting both sides now agreed on protecting programs for senior citizens. but his main theme of the night was, let's finish the job, and he repeated it multiple times during his speech. those three words are what the white house wants the american public to take away from his

remarks. the idea that so much has been achieved already, but the job is not done. >> let's finish the job, and ban these assault weapons. let's finish the job, and get more families access to affordable quality housing. let's finish the job and make these savings permanent. expand coverage on medicare. >> meanwhile republicans are trying to bring in some new blood and highlight a generational difference. they chose arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders who at 40 years old is america's youngest governor so she called democratic policies crazy the dividing line in america is no longer between right or left the choice is between normal more crazy. it is time for a new generation of republican leadership. >> all right, i want to bring in our panel now. john phillips is a talk radio

show host, and in southern california, carolina is a democratic strategist and a critical theory and social justice at college of los angeles appreciate you both joining us good to be with you rosemary. >> so in his state of the union address president biden listed his accomplishments so far taking it to the largest audience in the u.s. politician we will have here he powered through some unruly heckling didn't he from some republicans explaining how he had turned the economy around despite the pandemic, laying out his plan ahead for the economy, police reform, gun control, bipartisanship, and of course abortion rights. so, caroline, big picture, how did he go. >> it was really unusual to have this collective heckling. we have never seen this before. we -- saw hold on in 2000 94 over heckled by the the last time around, but this collective heckling, we have never seen

before. i think joe biden handled it very well. i'm not a big fan of the speeches, or the state of the union, i'm not a big fan of listening to biden talk over his words. and, he was engaged, he pushed back, i think he handled the situation precisely how he should have, and i love that he opened the state of the union with mitch mcconnell to kevin mccarthy, joking about how it would hurt mccarthy's brand, but he was looking forward to working with him. the pie biden team did come through and i thought that biden did remarkably good job at convincing democrats and centrist that he is up for the job from 2024. >> all right, let's go to you, john, because of course you have a very different opinion. house speaker kevin mccarthy had earlier warned the public of a -- not everyone did, as we saw, what is the reaction of the heckling of the president? and, the substance of his

address? what do you say to that? >> well, as someone who sat in the peanut gallery for many small, games and the heckling is something that is not new to me. but what we saw tonight, as you saw, it was highly vulnerable for reelection, a man that clearly plans on running for reelection in 2024, but vulnerable in both the democratic primary, and in the general election. and he is trying to establish themselves tonight, as the democratic candidate who is most likely to be able to rack up a victory in november of 2024, he does not want to be diane feinstein the democratic primary, doesn't want to be beaten by someone who is much more vulnerable in a general election scenario. and he hooked on traditional democratic, themes he harped on abortion, he harped on race, he harped on entitlements, subjects that will get democrats to rally the troops but not put him in a category

that makes it -- to a general election audience. that is his play to political survival in the next couple of years. to make himself the one who is most likely to keep the presidency and the democratic, and clearly that is always trying to frame this. not simply trying to frame tonight. >> as we, heard president biden emphasized this economic -- saying jobs are coming, back pride is coming back, but according to recent polls's economic and pandemic accomplishments are not resonating with the american people, is that a feeling on his part as a communicator? because, anyone who understands economics support knows he is probably in pretty good, shape despite the pandemic, and of course the supply chain issues, caroline, why is that this decision not landing? >> well i think it's a couple of things. i think you're right, rosemary, biden has not done a good job of communicating the support, 62% of americans do not think he has accomplished much in the past few years, meanwhile

partisanship aside, this man has actually gotten some major legislation and infrastructure act which is covid-19 bailout and the inflation reduction act. these are major pieces of legislation, and he's not getting credit for it. fine, he hasn't done a good job of communicating, that but i also think there's another point here, which is the aggregate economic indicators, the big economic indicators adding 500,000 jobs a month, having the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, it is not necessarily translating to everyday americans in the sense that there is still high prices at the gas pump, it is coming down, but high food prices, eggs, et cetera. so it involves some sectors are thriving, they are working class americans who are still hurting and that message that joe biden is sending about the economy is lost in their feeling in everyday lives. >> and, john, i'm guessing are reluctant to --

but, why do the american people not trust. the jobs are, growing inflation is gradually coming down, and the gop's economic agenda never really telling us more apart from what gets mending. >> well, i mean, it go to the grocery, stores look at the price of eggs. here in southern california, people are having their natural gas bill increased exponentially. you look at the business newspapers, you see layoffs in various aspects of the tech sector, and across the board municipal budgets are starting to be -- in san francisco here in california. we could have a budget that is blown by a billion dollars in not too far down the road. so, people are aware of what is going on around them, joe biden i think is achilles heel for reelection will be the economy. that is the reason why republicans could control of the house of representatives. people are very upset about

inflation, upset about the state of the economy. and for him to just say, everything is okay, just do not understand, it is the sales pitch that democrats need to win the issue over. there needs to be serious improvement, there needs to be serious change, it goes all the way from wall street, to main street, that is just not happening right now. >> of course this was the presidents second state of the union address. his first in front of a gop dominated house. but it was not an attack speech as such, was, it president biden tried to offer bipartisanship but republicans don't appear to be responsive to that. the big fight ahead will likely be over the lifting of the debt ceiling, and when president biden and kevin mccarthy met last week on the issue, both seemed to think they could find common ground. so, caroline, how likely is it that that will have been, given the daunting economic consequences if they don't get this done? >> well, it will absolutely

happen. the question is, how bloody the battle gets towards the end. there isn't really an option, we have to raise the debt, feeling it is -- for 100 years we have raised it over 100 times. it was raised three times under trump's presidency, it is being weaponized now by the republicans, but at the end of the day the consequences are such that it would cause not just a recession, but a depression of the u.s. default on its debt. we have until june to figure this out. so, it is really a matter of what can mccarthy is willing to, or what he can get from the members of his knee. it is not simply on -- of course have faith that it will happen, he is accusing budget cuts that he wants to put forward, and the members of his party want to put forth, to put pressure on, biden but at the end of the day this is -- under democratic and republican presidents, you talk about spending, you talk about spending cuts, but that is actually a distinct and separate topic from being the

debt of the already signed up for. >> let's hope they can get it done, caroline, many thanks to you both. really appreciate it. >> thanks, rosemary. now to that devastating earthquake in turkey and syria where the duffel has risen above 18 700. two days on, and despite freezing temperatures, rescue crews are still finding survivors buried in the rubble. and north westberry, a heavy equipment is in short supply, leaving people to dig through the debris with their bare hands. and these are live pictures from -- in turkey where residents are complaining about the slow pace of rescues, and what they call an inadequate inadequate response from the government. turkey's president has declared a three-month state of emergency, in ten provinces. he is expected to visit disaster areas near the epicenter. so let's go live to cnn's becky

anderson who joins us in southern turkey. so, a lot of people, they want to see the president there on the scene, don't they? they feel they have been abandoned here. >> well, here in ghazni and -- i'm not sure that anybody wants to see anything but some extractions of people, politics aside what you are witnessing behind me here, a lot of -- people are standing in front of to keep warm, it is bitterly cold here. what you are seeing behind me is the possibility, rosemary, that this search and rescue team, and the volunteers are about to bring out a family alive. they have been calling for silence now, regularly over the last couple of hours. we know that there is a gentleman with his two sons who until a couple hours ago was communicating with the teen.

i'm going to go quiet again because they called for silence. he had been communicating with 18 until two hours ago, the team believes they are very close. to getting to this family. let's just pause for a moment.

let me just explain for our viewers, rosemary, this has been 52 hours in the making now. it is 11:00 in the morning here in turkey on wednesday. this earthquake struck, this massive earthquake struck at 4:15 a.m. on monday morning. those caught under the rubble may certainly be a life there now for 50 hours. it is minus six. there's obviously a significant risk of hypothermia.

this search and rescue team has got to, what they believe is, the fifth floor, and they believe this family is trapped on the fourth floor. so they are hoping, against hope, that they will be able to bring this family out alive. heartbreaking stories all over this region. heartwarming stories of the way people are hoping, or helping provide support for each other, in what are desperate times, rosemary. >> maggie, thank you for bringing us that report. we will hope and pray that that family is extracted from under that rubble. we are unfortunately getting -- word that there has been an update in the death toll, it is more than 9000 dead across turkey and syria. the aftermath of this massive

earthquake in turkey and syria. that was a 7.8 magnitude quake that hit monday morning. people were sleeping and their beds at 4:17 in the morning. but those rescue efforts continue, and we do hope that this is a happy ending, this particular instance. just ahead, president biden talks with ukraine, russia, and china in his state of the union address. we will look at global reaction. cnn's nick robertson back in just a moment. can get a little messy... good thing there''s resolve. love the love. resolve the mess.

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>> he was president when the state of the union also addressed to pressing foreign policy issues. his administration faces. ukraine, and china. and, just days after the u.s. military shot down a suspected chinese spy balloon that had slipped into american airspace, mr. biden touched on america's

relationship with china. >> i'm committed to work with china where we can advance american interests and benefit the world, but make no mistake about, it as we made clear last, week if china threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our, country and we did. >> and ukraine's ambassador to the u.s. was present for that speech, as president biden strongly reaffirmed americas support for the war torn nation. >> putin's invasion has been a test for the ages. a test for america, a test for the world. would we stand for the male's basic principles? will we stand for sovereignty? will we stand for the right of people to live free of tyranny? will we stand for the defense of democracy? for such a defense matters to us, it is a huge piece and prevents open season on what would be aggressive threats across --

one year later, we know the answer. yes we would, and we did. >> and for more on the story, i'm joined now by cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson who is in london. good morning to you, nick, so what has been the overall international reaction so far? president biden reaffirming his commitment to support ukraine, in his state of the u.s. adjust. >> well, with little surprised, president zelenskyy has been the first european leader to respond, thanking president biden and the united states leadership thinking the american people for their solidarity, saying they have a common goal, that goal is victory, president biden was talking about is speech there was, building on alliances of making that strong support, of making nato stronger, and the united states leading the way there. that is so -- partners and nato will recognize. i think perhaps, you know, part

of president biden's message of course the international community, a little bit there on china and ukraine. and, i think for the domestic audience as, well this was a big issue that president trump we're talking, about nato, president biden saying the united states allies are contributing more, are spending more. and he talked here a lot about the importance of spending on defense, that these defense is very important at this type of investing, and also working with allies and partners to make sure the u.s. technology is in their hands to fall in the hands of enemies. more broadly speaking, the reaction from european leaders, we haven't heard that yet, it is still early in the day. but, very clearly, this will be something, a message they understand, because the united states has led the way to build this coalition, military support and particular for ukraine, and for the tanks issue, getting in line with

germany as, well and other year p nations coming on board. that has been a very clear part of this diplomatic process going on in the background. >> and, nick, what about mr. biden's comments on china? what has been the international reaction to that so far? >> well china of course -- and their reaction to what president biden has said specifically we haven't heard yet in detail. but what we do know is, they referenced the balloon, china spy balloon flying over the united states, china as we know has protested already about the united states shooting it down, now saying the balloon is its property, not the united states, essentially should return it. a strong message coming from china's charged affair in the united states both the state department and the national security in the united states. so, protesting again, the

downing of the, balloon but president biden has talked about here is building alliances and strengthening of those alliances, particularly the bridge between atlantic and pacific partners, and we certainly see that in the growing links between european nato partners and countries like japan, south korea, and we know secretary of state -- recently in the philippines and indonesia, strengthening support there and perhaps no surprise that china has refused to take a phone call from lloyd austin to discuss moving forward in a diplomatic relationship since the downing of that balloon. >> all right, our thanks to nick robertson joining us live from london. appreciate it. you are watching cnn newsroom, just ahead, president biden is back in a handful of republican hecklers during his state of the union address. more on that.

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>> this is cnn breaking news. >> we are getting information of ukraine -- diplomatic editor nic robertson now to pass up to date on what the situation, is and what are you learning? >> we are learning that president zelenskyy is due to arrive here in the uk today, wednesday, that he is expected to meet with the prime minister, he is expected to address the parliament, is also expected to go and visit ukrainian troops are doing training here in the uk. of course, we've heard from the british press secretary over the past week or so, saying the

ukrainian troops that are doing training here in the uk on the uk challenger to tank, uk of course at the first to give tanks offer tanks to modern made battlefield tanks, men wallace is saying -- really doing well in their training so presidential lynskey will be we understand visiting that. and, i think in a speech to parliament, -- uk has been one of the countries that has received a lot of praise from boris johnson, new cv lot of praise of -- man on what else may -- british may expand their current training program, from

training for jet fighter pilots, there's no commitment for the uk or any other nation yet to give ukraine modern fighter jets, and we will be understand offering about training to ukrainian forces so that their fighter jet can, and -- make this is certainly the step in the direction. as we've seen before, britain lead the way on the tanks, so this is this opening the way for other partners of ukraine to step up, and this is a big moment for president zelenskyy, at least out of the country wants until now. and, that was a very quick visit to the united states, here he is arriving in the uk today, and we know he hasn't -- in the european union who are

having a key meeting tomorrow, there's been, brussels and this is a visit in the uk. speaking to prime minister, speaking to ukrainian troops in -- >> it is extraordinary, and will visit the united kingdom today. nic robertson, thank you for joining, us --

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, -- , -- ,,. >>,. >> what the president seem to enjoy heading, back and listening all his accomplishments, even the most americans do not appear to appreciate what he has achieved so far. so, how do you think he came across? >> you know, this state of the union comes at -- on one hand, democrats dodged a bullet in the midterm election where they performed much better, and in fact much better than barack obama or bill clinton did in their first midterm elections. but as you note, president

biden's job approval rating still remain below 50%, and most americans say they are satisfied with the economy, and over 60% in that abc poll this week said they do not believe he has accomplished much, or anything. i thought tonight he did a very effective job of blending reconciliation with confrontation. you know, obama in 2011 in those first speeches after those midterm elections really went out of their way to try and reach out to republicans, and signal to voters they were going to make a course correction. joe biden did not have nearly as bad a midterm as they did, and he clearly didn't feel nearly as much pressure to suggest he was going to find a different direction. i thought he was very confident in starting by where he would work with republicans, and as you know, as the speech went on he put more and more emphasis

on what he would not give up for that. social security and medicare nationwide ban on abortion, increasing the debt ceiling that requires other spending cuts. so i thought he set himself up pretty effectively for the contrast and battles. >> so, ron, why has the president failed then to get the message across to american voters, particularly that the economy is moving in the right direction. we are seeing job growth, we are seeing inflation going down, presumably people are not feeling that? >> right. historically, there is a long lag time between the economy turning around, and americans agreeing that the economy has turned around. at this point, in 1983, with unemployment beginning to settle decline, ronald reagan was trailing in polls. reagan ultimately won 64% of the vote and 49 states. biden's overall approval and

sense that he is accomplished things, probably not going to be effective honestly by the job but they go out and do, in the coming weeks, it will be really a fact that -- inflation is on some voters that they are lifting their heads above water, but, rosemary, what i think he did tonight was begin to frame the contrast that could be effective if that predicate is reached. i mean, if voters are just asked about the economy, it is always ahead. but, if that dissatisfaction begins to sustain, even if it, doesn't the ability to draw a contrast with republicans are going to be critical for this. >> right, and, ron, was this adjust essentially at the start of his reelection campaign? and how will that go given most polls seem to be, well, pretty much tired of joe biden and donald trump. >> well, i thought it was incredibly revealing in 2024's

going to look, like not only because of his speech, but because of the republican response. sarah huckabee sanders, she went out, and she really pressed hard at all of those cultural -- that are so critical to mobilizing modern republican coalition, and when she talked about a woke mob and radical left vision for america's teaching children to hit each other because of their race, i think she actually previewed a lot of what we are going to hear in 2024, if republican nominees either donald trump will obviously is these what is tua's career, more understand is who is betting his potential candidates see on convincing america that there is a woke mob out to transform the country. what biden did in contrast with a very interesting. you talk about abortion, right lgbtq rights, the threat to democracy, but pretty deep into the speech, the heart of his speech was trying to convince working class workers that he

would improve their economic prospects both by creating good paying jobs through his bills like infrastructure, the semiconductor bill, but also by supporting programs designed to basically help them make ends meet. fighting -- protecting medicare, social security, cutting prices for drugs. so in some ways, the two sides are talking past each other, but in a very revealing way that i think republicans are going to in all likelihood embark stress and cultural grievances and resentments while biden tries to slightly improve his working class support, my emphasizing economic opportunity. it really was a bit of a fast forward preview of what we will be hearing a lot more of over the year year and a half. >> always great to get your analysis, ron brownstein, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> still to, come parents of tyre nichols recognized during the state of the union address

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>> an emotional moment during the state of the union address as cheers and a standing ovation welcome to the parents of tyre nichols who died after being beaten by police and memphis last month. u.s. presidential biden spoke about can file lets and the need for police reform, saying we need to rise to this moment. >> joining me now, matthew lippman and cheryl dorsey. matthew as a former speech writer for than senator and

presidential candidate joe biden. and, cheryl is a retired los angeles police sergeant and -- welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> so president biden was expected to talk about police reform in his state of the union address, and he did exactly that, honoring the parents of tyre nichols who was brutally beaten to death by memphis police. but, cheryl dorsey, did the president go far enough in calling for police accountability and reform? >> no, he really didn't. the only thing he did do was, you, know on earth as parents rightfully so. he mentioned, and you have to pay attention to the wards that are being used. every time he talks about reform, he said he is going to ban federal officers from doing certain things. but understand this, federal officers did not murder tyre nichols. federal officers did not sit on the neck of george floyd, they did not choke eric garner, they did not shoot breonna taylor. so, all of what he might

propose might stop nothing from happening on the local level. police officers need to be deactivated in terms of certification on a local level, like we do here in california, and speak to police deactivation act of 2021 to get these officers off your police department and prevent them from moving over to another. that would be a great start since they won't and qualified immunity. >> and, matthew lippman, you and i have spoken many times about american gun violence and of course a shocking number of mass shootings in this country. already at 69 this year, do you think the president went far enough on the issue of better gun controls, which most americans say, they want to see more of? >> well, i think most americans want to see more of that, but, rosemary, when the president talks about for example, community engagement, yes, that is popular, it is proven to be successful so far.

an assault weapons ban, i think our international audience may be surprised to know, does not have the majority support of the american people according to the washington post this week. it will not pass congress in a way the courts are now, probably wouldn't get through the courts either. so i think there are other ways to reduce gun violence, and i don't think we have done a lot of them tonight. >> interesting, and, cheryl, use a local police need to be deactivated. talk to us about what more needs to be done in terms of better counter-billet-y for those police officers who use this excessive force, particularly when it comes to better -- men of color? >> certainly we understand what happened in memphis tennessee, to have an appropriate number of supervisors out their manager-ing and monitoring these officers, on patrol, and particularly assigned to special units like the scorpion task force. you can't have officers out there where you have citizens reportedly complaining about excessive use of force that go

ignored and then have the properly supervised. those officers should be very concerned about a sergeant like me rolling up on a stop like they did with mr. nichols. so when you don't have proper supervision, young officers who are not deterred from behaving badly, then it is a recipe for disaster. >> all right, and, matthew, you mentioned that the public the american public are not behind banning of assault weapons which is a very shocking, and as you say, our audience certainly across the globe outside the united states would be shocked by that. so what specific gun control legislation is working right now? and what is the smartest way to make sure that these guns, particularly assault weapons, do not and up in the hands of wrong people and particularly those with psychiatric issues? >> so, listen, my organization is maybe --

roadmap to reduce homicides, but with a 20%, and suicides by 6.7%. the ways to do that, we need them nationally, state background checks are better than federal background checks, what for the president when he is talking about assault weapons man we can't get universal background checks through congress that has a support from anywhere from 89 to win -- if we're not getting that past were not getting the fully and what i would like to see is a more realistic assessment of what could be, done which is better constraining for example. state background, checks red flag laws, and also, rosemary, this is really important. people who commit violent misdemeanors, they are still able to get a gun. most gun owners would say, they should not be able to get a gun. most people in this country agree, that if you have committed a violent misdemeanor as opposed to a felony, which for that you can't get a gun, a

violent misdemeanor, should not be able to get it done. if we are able to do those things, we will reduce gun violence significantly and i want to hear from people on more realistic sense like this of what can be done to reduce gun violence. not ideas that are never going anywhere. >> all right, we shall watch to see if there is the political will when it comes to police reform and of course gun control. cheryl dorsey, matthew lippman, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> and thank you for your company, i'm rosemary, church stay with us. we will have more news after a short break. introducing the new sleep number climate360 smart bed. only smart bed in the world that actively cools, warms, and effortlessly responds to o both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 mininutes more restful sleep per night. provenen quality sleep. only from sleep number.

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