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together the last congress. there is no reason why we can't find consensus on this congress as well. >> good morning, everyone. who said washington, d.c., is boring? >> i've been trying to tell everybody. >> i mean, the real -- what would you call it, the real congress? the real lawmakers of washington, d.c. >> a lot livelier. >> where is andy cohen? >> i'm sure somewhere watching and taking notes saying i need to start this. hey, we're here live in washington with our coverage of the state of the union. post analysis. president biden heckled and boo'd during a speech he gave last night. still, insisting he can reach acro across the aisle to get things done. we're going to talk to the white house in just a few minutes. >> also, a moment that stood out last night, mitt romney calling out george santos and his lies on the house floor in the chamber after president biden's speech telling santos, quote,

you don't belong here. >> i told you it was dramatic. >> and manhattan's district attorney slamming a book by someone that said donald trump was guilty of multiple felonies. that former prosecutor will join us ahead. >> we begin here on capitol hill. after the state of the union address last night. >> heckling and shouts of liar by some in the gop. he stood his ground. at one point, he also appeared to get republicans to cheer and promise they would not make cuts to medicare or social security. >> as you all agree, social security and medicare is off the books now.

right? all right. let's stand up for seniors. stand up and show them, we'll not cut social security. we will not cut medicare. >> in a moment we're going to speak to president biden's senior adviser to get the white house' take on how last night went. but first, i want to bring in our senior white house correspondent for a break down. it's notable to see when there is a speaker of the opposing party which lines they stand up for and which ones they don't. everyone is keeping their eye on kevin mccarthy. >> the president tried to mark the half way point of the first term in office by talking about some of the strides made over the last two years. but throughout the night, he confronted his new political reality of a divided congress as some republican members, sometimes heckled him, boo'd

him, even called him a liar. he tried to stay focused. he said it is time to firnnish e job he started. >> because the soul of this nation is strong, because the backbone of this nation is strong, because people of this nation are strong, the state of the union is strong. >> reporter: president biden seizing on major prime time address to a joint session of congress to reflect on the past two years -- >> story of america is the story of progress and resilience. >> reporter: -- and lay out his vision for the next two. >> let's finish the job. >> reporter: describing an inflection point saying that the u.s. economy made a turn around. >> two years ago the economy was reeling. i stand here tonight after we created it with the help of many people in this room 12 million new jobs. >> reporter: that covid pandemic is now in the rearview mirror -- >> today, covid no longer controls our lives. >> reporter: -- and also touting some of his major legislative

accomplishments. >> i signed over 300 bipartisan pieces of legislation since becoming president. >> reporter: a notable difference from biden's last state of the union address. republican house speaker kevin mccarthy seated behind the president. >> the new speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy. >> reporter: at times stoic as democrats applauded the speech. >> our democracy is unbowed and unbroken. >> reporter: and at other times, visibly trying to quiet his colleagues as they heckled biden including on the topic of entitlement cuts. >> some republicans want medicare and social security sunset. i'm not saying it's a majority. let me give you -- anybody who doubts it, contact my office. i'll give you a copy -- i'll give you a copy of the proposal.

>> reporter: still, the president insisting he'll work with the other party. >> there is no reason we can't work together and find consensus on important things in this congress as well. >> reporter: foreign policy also in the spotlight following the dramatic downing over the weekend of a chinese spy balloon. bide biden only making a passing mention of the incident and saying america is ready to compete with china. the guests invited to tuesday night's speech by jill biden painting a story of some of the president's top priorities and challenges over the past year. ukraine's ambassador to the u.s., reminder of how much the war in ukraine has tested and dominated biden's second year in office. >> if we're going to stand with you, as long as it takes. >> reporter: paul pelosi, husband of former house speaker nancy pelosi, who was violently attacked in his home and raised alarm about political extremism.

>> that should have never happened. we must all speak out. >> reporter: and the parents of tyre nichols, a man whose death of it a violent beating by police officers prompted outrage and grief across the country. >> let's commit ourselves to make the words of tyre's mom true, something good must come from this. all of us in this chamber, we need to rise to this moment. we can't turn away. >> and those moments where republicans heckled the president, they feel like they couldn't have choreographed this better. this is the contrast they wanted to draw between republicans and the president. and later today, we're going to see him hit the road to sell this message and what we see in the coming days will pave the way for what we expect to be a re-election announcement coming in the next few weeks. kaitlan? >> he'll be taking that message to wisconsin today. m.j. lee, thank you. and we said we gave you the white house with m.j. lee and others.

we have a quick snapshot for you of how president biden's state of the union address landed with people who watched. here it is. a cnn poll shows 72% of viewers had a positive reaction to president biden's speech. just over a third of them reacted very positively. that number is a bit down from last year. viewers found that -- you can see there on the screen what they thought was positive about it. president biden's speech was particularly effective with political independents. just 40% of independent voters felt like president biden's policies would move the nation in the right direction. that number jumped to 66% by the end of the night. and so it is interesting to see how people are reacting to the president's speech and also reacting to in particular to his accomplishments. he is up against headwinds with the republican party obstructing everything. he is able to get things done

through bipartisan which most people thought wouldn't happen. he defied all expectations. so let's get to the white house now to mitch landrieu. he is also the former mayor of new orleans. as i say, my home boy from the state of louisiana. so we're happy to see you this morning. thank you so much for being here. hey, as we seay down south in louisiana. many americans think that president didn't accomplish a lot, how is he going to fix that? >> first of all, i think he went a long way to fix it last night. the poll itself shows 72% of the folks that watch the speech think that the president's proposals move the country forward. the president was able in front of the entire nation to talk about the tremendous progress that we made under the most difficult of times. he ticked that off with the war in ukraine and covid and all the work we've done, passing the most significant legislation in the last 50 years, 12 million

jobs, the lowest unemployment rate in at the country. then he talked about finishing the job. and by the response of the american people, he basically tried to bring the country together, put a hand out to the republicans in congress and ask them to come together to make sure that we finish the job. and i think you will agree with me, don, the president was hopeful. he was optimistic. he was confident. he hit it out of the park last night for the country. >> let me just ask you. i want to ask you about the heckling first in a moment. i said how is he going to fix that. he's going to get out on the road. members of the administration are going to get on the road as well to tout the president's accomplishments. are you one those people? >> yes, of course. i'm going to be out. there the president is going to be out. there the vice president is going to be out. there i think the president is traveling to wisconsin today and will continue to tell the story. look, we're getting -- >> that said, let me ask you this -- >> we're making it happen. >> i ask you because the whole infrastructure part of it. you know it takes time to build roads and bridges and sometimes

that doesn't come to fruition for years, even decades. the american people aren't going to feel that for a long time, probably after -- most likely after president joe biden is out of office. that's why i ask you if you're going out there. how do you get that across? >> don, that's not really true for all of the projects. we have 20,000 projects. but as we speak, you saw deanna branch, the mother of aaiden an jade from milwaukee. they're making sure we get led out of the water to make sure everyone has clean water. we absolutely have projects. people will see them. the more they come out of the ground, they'll see them more. the president will continue to talk and the american people will absolutely give him credit for leading this country in the right direction. >> yeah. okay, so i have to ask you about this as we head -- i think that is a lawnmower or whatever is happening at the white house right now. >> they're cutting the grass.

>> you do a lot. i'm not sure if grass cutting is one of them. >> you never know. >> all right. there were very tense moments during the speech that included some heckling from some house republicans. some called him a liar. at some point, what do you think about how the president responded and how he handled that? >> i was so proud to be a part of the president's team when he began. i extended a hand in graciousness to the speaker mccarthy and then to mitch mcconnell. went out of his way to be open and inviting. the president's response is one of graciousness. the president told the truth. rick scott is the senator from florida who is responsible.

i think can you probably put it up to the american people could show it. so the point is that the president told the truth. the most important thing he did last night, he got congress in front of the entire nation not to cut social security and medicare. i think that is a huge win for the american people. something that only a bhoern is experiences him knows how to do. >> i want to talk about climate change and his comments. let me just ask, you were you bothered by the heckling? did it put you off in any way? >> the president is speaking whether they're republican or democrat. but you know what? the president said he has been around longer than most of us. he understands that. you can see. he handled it with grace and dignity. he is ready. he is up to the task of what he

has the american people to do is work with him. we have more to do. >> the president called climate change a threat and criticized oil and gas companies for not reinvesting in domestic oil production despite raking in record profits. listen to this moment from the address and then we'll discuss here. >> i heard it. >> when i talk to a couple and they say we're afraid you're going to shut down all the oil refineries anyway. so why should we invest in them? i said we're going to need oil for at least another decade. >> we're going to need it. >> so what is president biden's plans with fossil fuels? does he acknowledge the u.s. may need to depend on them for longer than he wants? you said you heard it. so go on. please respond. >> i think what the president was saying last night is something that everybody knows. the climate change is a threat. you and i from you from

louisiana, wee're watching coas wash away. whether it is wildfires in the waeven water crisis. we have a huge problem. we have to get away from depending on fossil fuels. we're not going to get rid of using oil and gas. i think the transition from where we are to where we need to be to make sure we don't leave any community behind is critically important. states like louisiana, oil and gas states, they're going to continue to pump oil for quite some time. in the meantime, we have to get ready for the incredible challenge that's are coming our way. it will be political malfeasance not to do that. climb is the aa threat. putting your head in the sand is not going to make it go away. >> mitch landrieu, thank you. they need help with the leaf blowing. >> i need to finish cutting the grass. i need to get out of here. >> good to see you. >> bye.

>> all right. let's bring in our pollster and communication strategist. you heard mitch landrieu there. what do you think about his explanation for biden's line on oil for the next ten years? >> it was -- there were a couple moments. that is one of them. i thought we've gone back to high school. and this is not a good look for the united states. i was actually more upset over the social security line. >> why? >> because kevin mccarthy said the day before, and i quote, social security and medicare are off the table. mitch landrieu said 48 hours before, medicare and social security are off the table. to accuse the republicans of sunsetting, and that's the word he used, you know i'm a language person, of sunsetting social security is wrong. it's equally wrong for the members -- i know you're playing it a lot this morning, to heckle him the way they did. you was watching. i was sitting in the chamber. i was in the gallery.

i watched the squad all sits together and it was almost like a party for them. and they liked what the president said. and the republicans cheering him were not parliament. and it sets really bad example. this is great if you're in london. it's not great for americans. my students from usc are here. i tell them, don't treat people with disrespect. treat people with civility even if you disagree. the state of the union is the president's moment. give him his moment and then use the response to disagree. >> it is their house though. >> yes, but how we keep that house is how we keep the neighborhood. it determines how rereact to each other. we have a rapport. i'm not going to cut you off. i'll disagree. i know you disagree with me often strongly. but i'm listening. i'm trying to learn from it. and that's what should be happening in moments like this.

tens of millions of people are watching. we shouldn't tear each other apart. so for him to say that is not only provocative, it was dishonest. >> people in politics do that a lot. and the thing is senator rick scott did propose that. did he put that on a website. it angered a lot of republicans. >> he said, no, it's not going to happen. >> is it the republicans fault that they have that to use against them? zblz it the president's responsibility to seek a higher plain. he is for unity. show it. that's a problem. >> because of what he said on social security and medicare?

>> that is the primary thing. he was so disingenuous that it really bothered them. >> even with all of the qualifications? >> because he was listening to them boo'ing him. at some point we have to calm down. we have to look them straight in the eye and tell them the truth. the truth is the democrats are not always right. republicans are not always right. joe biden has a record of accomplishment. he also has a record of saying things and doing things that he was not supposed to do as president. let's tell the entire story. >> there are people who you said works in parliament. but it doesn't work -- but there are people who also believe in america that there is too much decorum and people sit on hands and let things slide. the president seemed completely comfortable with pushing back on

republicans heckling him and yelling things out. he is very comfortable being there. doesn't that say something about this president's maturity, his -- he has been asking -- he has been actually very bipartisan to people thought, hey, he is trying to work with republicans way too much. >> interesting. you call it pushing back. the conversations have w. voters, they want to be able to get their sense of it is he was yelling at them. >> we see things differently. push back or yelling. you can play to segments. >> he was yelling at them. >> yelling at them? >> yes. and in the end, you're supposed to feel better about your country after state of the union than you did before. i think we have gone in the other direction. >> frank, thank you. >> i'm sorry. pardon me. what would you have -- how should he have respond philaed? >> i would have looked at them and asked them a question. really? and then i would have gone and

given the evidence for either the oil or social security or the deficit coming down. i would have gone point by point by point rather than yelling. he went the point by point on the deficit. he didn't on social security and energy. >> all right. thank you for entertaining that. sorry, poppy. >> that's okay. >> thank you. say hi to your students. we see them behind the camera. mitt romney calling out george santos telling him, you don't belong here. >> he shouldn't be in congress. and they're going to go to the process of hopefully get him out. and he shouldn't be there. and if he had any shame at all, he wouldn't be there. >> coming up, we'll be joined by republican congressman from santos' neighboring district. o. 12 hours!! not coughing? hashtag still not coughing?! mucinex dm gives you 12 hours of relief from chest congestion and any type of cough, day or nightht. mucinex dm.

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that you see here which happened on the floor last night. after the president delivered his state of the union that romney was asked about what he said to george santos. he criticized him for standing so close to the aisle that president walks down. >> i didn't expect he would be standing there trying to shake hands with every senator and the president of the united states. given the fact that he is under ethics investigation as can you see, he should stand quiet. he said he embellished the record. em embellishing is saying you got an a when you got an a minus. lying is saying you graduated from a college you didn't even attend. he shouldn't be in congress. >> joining us now is republican congressman from new york. his district borders george santos' district. he attended his first state of the union address last night. let's start with george santos. is mitt romney right? >> he's right. i've been clear he does not deserve to be in congress. he lied time and again.

he showed no remorse. he broke the public trust. this is an institution that should be filled with folks that have strong ideologies, want to fight for the ideologies. want to get results. he's all about the rhetoric and the drama. >> romney is saying he shouldn't have been standing so close to the aisle. the president walks down, wab n cabinet members. he should have sat in the back of the room. >> george santos is a sociopath. he looks for that attention. even the negative attention drives him. it's a distraction to the republicans in the house. we want to focus on our commitment to america. we want to talk about putting our economy back on the right track. securing our border. these are things that they want to campaign on and govern on. every time i have to come here and talk about george santos, kinti can't talk about what republicans ought to be doing instead. >> there was quite a back and forth between the president and republicans. i know this is your favorite

state of the union. you seen the affairs. do you think this is the new normal of what state of the unions look like? >> the reaction is strong from the conference when the president chose to spread something that is totally untrue. we've been oit there. the speaker is out there for days if not longer. that is absolutely not on the table during the debt ceiling discussions. we made that position clear. yet, during the state of the union, the president chose to profess that lie. again, it was quite disappointing. >> was it a mistake for rick scott to make that proposal as he did last year? it gave biden that opening to use it last night? they get a consensus because there was a conference and across the aisle. some of the proposals that come down the way don't get a lot of support. that is one that didn't get much support. and there shouldn't be any measuring stick for the other party to criticize us on. >> one thing mccarthy said

they're off the table. he came outside the white house and said social security, medicare, not going to be tide to the negotiations. i think some people have rightfully raised the question of is that something he can stand by given, of course, he has to deal with your entire conference and a lot of the members that saw the speakers fight with, you're confident that is going to be the line in the sand that they will not touch? >> i know there are not 218 votes for that. i'm not sure if there are two or three votes for that change. p. >> last night the president was calling for work on immigration, police reform work. is that something you think republicans can work with democrats on to actually get done? >> we heard from the president say one decent thing. he is committed to putting more technology on the border. i think the words meant something to a the lot of republican conference. we would welcome that. there is also discussion on physical barriers and process and ensuring the secretary shows an environment that they can ensure we enforce those laws. but it's a small step in the right direction.

>> on the heckling overall and the back and forth, not just on the social security and medicare. it happened other times when it came to china, marjorie taylor green, the president is talking about fentanyl and then a father in his guest box who lost his daughter to it. there was heckling from the members. one blaming had him for the fentanyl crisis. marjorie taylor green on china. is it appropriate for members of congress to heckle the president? >> i think that we need to get to a place where you have proper decorum. a place where we can actually disagree and ideas and not just shout back and forth at each other. i hope that's the future in this town. i know there is a strong portion from this side of the aisle that want to get to that place. i don't think those one or two incidents reflect the future of where we're going. >> did you do any heck snlg. >> -- heckling? >> i did, i was vocal. i boo'd the president during that time. we call it the bronx jeer. when we see something we don't like, certainly something that people are lying to us in our own house, we're going to give feedback. i hope the next state of the

union the president is more truthful. >> when you have that line of decorum, you're saying you can be vocal and loud when you disagree with what he is saying? >> it's unfortunate the president would engage in that rhetoric. i think, i don't know where he did it. i think he was right to expect a reaction. maybe he even did it for that reaction. i hope that is not our future. the president needs to be truthful. >> he had that moment where he got republicans saying, you know, when he said, yeah, we all agree. no touching social security and medicare. is that advantageous for him or for republicans? seemed advantageous to him. >> it's advantageous for the country, especially seniors. >> congressman, thank you so much for joining us. i know you and your wife attended last night. i appreciate your perspective. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. all right. manhattan's district and one of his former prosecutors are continuing to spar over whether or not they should have charged former president trump with multiple felonies last year.

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a fight between prosecutors about whether or not to charge donald trump with financial crimes is spilling into public view because of a new book from a former manhattan prosecutor working on the case. that former assistant district is mark pomerance. he said that if prosecutors were looking at similar evidence against anyone other than the former president, charge was have been brought in a, quote, flat second. he also compares trump to john gotti. the book is a searing criticism of manhattan's current da. decision not to bring charges last year, a decision that pomerance resigned over one year ago this month.

bragg says that his plane wasn't ready for takeoff. and that it is appalling that he insulted the skill and professionalism of the prosecutors. the book about his time in the investigation and people versus donald trump and inside account is out now. he joins us live. good morning, sir. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> it is a riveting read. it's a really important read for everyone to understand what you saw, what you did, and what didn't happen. what i find interesting is that you didn't used to talk to journalists. you're known for saying i don't leak. now you're out here with wanting to tell the world this story. why did you write this? >> i wrote the book because it was an important story to tell. however one feels about donald trump, he is one of the central public figures of our time. if as i came to believe and others came to believe, he committed crimes there was a

substantial case to be brought. he needed to be held accountable for those crimes. that's an important issue. i thought it was important to tell the story. >> you know, mark, there were several prongs to your investigation. largely focused on the overevaluation of a number of key properties to get favorable bank loans. but also your investigation included that those hush money payments. you call the failure to move forward on those fronts a failure of justice. why? >> well, i thought it was a failure of justice. because measured by the standards that prosecutors typically apply, when they decide whether to bring criminal cases, trump was guilty. we concluded that he was guilty. every single member of the prosecution team thought that his guilt was established. i went around the room asking if

anybody thought that he was innocent and there fwwere no dissenting voices. so we thought he was guilty. we thought we had evidence that was legally sufficient to establish his guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. we thought we had a reasonable prospect of winning the case, persuading a jury. you can never be certain. this case was not a slam dunk. >> right. >> there were aggravating circumstances. so we thought it was appropriate to go forward with the prosecution. will. >> even you yourself had told them we have a 70% chance of convincing a jury on this. not a slam dunk. you recount in book december 13th, 2021 when vance authorized you to move forward with criminal charges. my question to you is two-fold.

why didn't he do it? vance could have done this right? and why do you believe bragg didn't? >> sure. with regard to the timing. as i talk about in the book, we were working flat out. we simply can't get it done. and done professionally and well before the end of th e year. we didn't want to have a decision in terms of the calendar in terms of when one term began and ended w respect to the different decision that was made by the incoming district attorney, i can't speak in detail about what went

through his mind. i can surmise from what happened at the time and statements that he made since that he had misgivings about the strength of the case. what i take from it is that in these circumstances, when mistakes are so high, it's human nature to look for an overwhelming case. and that is not the standard we apply in the great run of criminal cases. my judgement was that princes and paupers, presidents and

anybody else should be held to the same standard. you shouldn't be looking for a super abundance of evidence beyond proof beyond a reasonable doubt. >> you talk about the argument of going slowly and methodically, getting all your ducks in a row. >> you say this was legal equivalent of plain crash with pilot error. but now what we learned from -- plane crash with pilot error. bragg is presenting evidence to a grand jury related to the hush money payments to stormy daniels. do you still feel that way? is this still a legal plane crash or do you see him doing now at least in part what you wanted to do then? >> look, i hope the investigation goes forward. i hope that it results in a prosecution.

i think the evidence was there. i don't know that facts changed at all. perhaps we'll see over time. but if the district attorney makes the decision to go forward, that's a decision that i would welcome. i wish him well in it that endeavor. is not a personal issue or fight the. it's a disagreement about prosecution policy. >> one final question. andrew wiseman was lead prosecutor for bob mueller. he actually called the decision courageous. the district attorney's association of new york has a harsh response to your book, mark. they say that a former prosecutor speaking out during an on going criminal investigation is unfortunate and unprecedented. they say you upended the norms of prosecutoral conduct.

are you sure, right, there was a fight over this, whether you should be even oit there saying these things given the on going investigation. are you sure this won't at all interfere with the on going investigation and grand jury right now? >> look, i wrote the book in part because i believe there should be a prosecution. donald trump did commit crimes for which he should be held accountable. the last thing i wanted to do or would do was get in the way of an investigation or a prosecution. and i'm confident i didn't do that. the investigation, the prosecution if it comes will be decided based on the law and the facts and nothing i wrote in this book changes either the law or the facts that will be available to the prosecution. if the case goes forward. >> since you haven't been in the office one year, finally, how do you know that? how do you no he that those things haven't changed and that

it's not interfering? >> i no he that the facts that i describe in the book were not secrets that were being shared for the first time. the facts surrounding the hush money, the facts surrounding the financial statements are facts that were in the public domain. on the financial statement front, the facts were summarized in a complaint that the new york state attorney general filed and summarized in over 200 pages. the details of the case. on hush money side, the facts have been public for literally years. michael cohen wrote about it in a book. stormy daniels wrote a book. the federal government brought the case against michael cohen. the information was out there for everyone to see. and my discussing it in the book and expressing my views and my conclusions does not get in the way of any case that might be

brought. >> we said at the top, it's a totally riveting read. we learn a lot. we didn't know. about what happened inside. so thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you very much for having me. >> former president to the current president biden making the pitch for police reform. revealing a conversation he had with the mother of tyre nichols, the man brutally killed by the memphis police. >> she said her son was, quote, a beautiful soul and something good will come of this. it's up to us, all of us. ♪

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they assaulted another young black man three days earlier. want to get to nick valencia live in memphis this morning with more. nick, good morning to you. what does this man say happened to him? >> yeah, good morning. 22-year-old monday terrace harris alleges that three days prior to nichols' stop he was assaulted by the scorpion unit which included the same five officers. he says he was waiting for his cousin to come outside when he was approached by men in ski masks who initially did not identify themselves as police officers. he claims in this lawsuit that he thought he was being carjacked and tried to get away. police say after they arrested harris they found a handgun and marijuana in the car. harris claims in the lawsuit though that police falsified the report and made no mention of the assault on him. he says he was kicked, punched and dragged. he is pursuing $5 million from the city of memphis as well as the police department and, don, this comes as the fallout from

nichols' death continues. yesterday the city attorney says that they expect to discipline seven more officers in the death of nichols. >> all right. thank you, nick. by the way, the parents of tyre nichols joined the first lady jill biden as a guest at the state of the union last night. nichols died after being it beaten by memphis police officers while he was handcuffed. so joining us now to discuss all of these issues, senator cory booker, serves on the judiciary and foreign relations committees and has been working on police reform legislation for years now. by the way, the parents are going to join us in a little bit. >> happy to be here. i am a little upset. i thought you would have had me earlier on the show. you waited for -- kicked me way back. >> not for lack of invitation. we are happy you are here. >> thank you. >> you are outspoken on these issues. i know they are very important to you because we have discussed them and you have discussed

them, you have tried to put forth legislation. what did you think of the parents of tyre nichols getting a standing ovation last night, the mother standing with a tear saying thank you to the folks? >> i mean, that was a powerful moment. powerful american moment. both sides of the chamber, everyone stood up and recognized that this is wrong. but her plea, a mother's plea of let's some good come out of this, please let my child not have died in vain, she looked at us with a yearning heart to do something about this in response to this horror. >> you are talking to senator tim scott again about potential police reform, right? >> tim and i are friends. we, obviously, are different sides of the aisle but we have done a lot of good together on criminal justice reform in the past, opportunity zones, hbcu funding. we have personal experiences that are frightening in our encounters with police when we

were younger. ceedee lindsey graham as well. let's be clear. this congress will be harder than the last. now we have a divided congress. i don't know where kevin mccarthy will want to go, if anywhere, on this. i am not giving up because i know a lot of these get into the news, but there are stories like this happening with too much frequency and the police leaders i talk to, head of the major chiefs, even the head of the fop, know that we need to do things to restore public trust and reate more transparency in policing. >> kevin mccarthy had a stoic face during that line last night when president biden was imploring congress to get the job done on police reform. if there is going to be a deal, does qualified immunity have to be a mpart of it? >> there is so much republican opposition, people like lindsey graham said possible things about reforming it, there should be consequence if you break the law. but i am of the opinion now, let's see what we can get done. it may not be the comprehensive

bill like a george floyd bill, but i want to get something over the line. again in a harder congress, i don't want to create too high expectations but we are looking at smaller measures, not as comprehensive of a bill. the reality is like we did with the gun bill. i was really proud to be a part of that with -- led by chris murphy to help get in more resources for community violence intervention. it's a bill that wasn't as far as people who believe we should have universal background checks or a ban on assault weapons. it made america safer. we have to do that in the realm of policing now as well. >> i know that you are optimistic about this because this is near and dear to your heart, but realistically, considering the makeup of the house and senate right now and the pushback that you are getting from republicans, kaitlin pointed out, just sort of stoic and sitting there. >> no reaction when the president is talking about this. do you really believe something

is going to happen now? >> i will always be a prisoner of hope. i have seen impossible things happen even in my ten years in congress. i will keep fighting. but, yeah, absolutely. we couldn't get it done after george floyd. we had an impasse. now we have the house of representatives controlled by republicans, led by mccarthy. but what a moment of hope, everybody wants to divide this country. in this town, there is so much of trying to manufacturing outrage, pit us against each other. there was a human moment in that chamber that i felt. i didn't hear as much as i felt it. when both sides looked up and recognized the grief, the agony of parents that were standing in the gallery that no american should ever have their child handcuffed, beaten to death, that this is something that we as a nation are better than. and when i hear police leaders, because they are a part of the coalition we have been building for now two plus years, when i

hear police leaders saying we need to do more to restore the public trust, there is the makings of a deal. so, again, we have seen the gridlock in washington but i have also been here for moments where we get incredible things done that people don't think we can do. >> i was struck by the fact that you said that, i think it was just last week, you said there is an understanding on the other side of the aisle as well that this is a moral moment. and you really think this time something, some part of the george floyd act can get through. so we'll watch. >> i really feel that. we are americans who share more of the same heart than we know, and that's where my hope lies. >> thank you. >> always good to see you. >> really good to see you. >> thank you. >> six months, eight months until i am invited back? >> we have been doing this show for three years. where have you been? [ laughter ] >> thank you so much, senator. >> don't you think that's a nice jacket? >> don is out out-dressing all

of us. >> it was easy to find him. >> senator booker, thank you so much. >> thank you very much. all right. also this morning, lebron james overnight breaking the nba's all-time scoring record. we will give you the highlights ahead of that if you missed it while watching the state of the union. >> w what do you think of that, core whichch booker? shop the valentine's day sale and save on everything. only at kay.

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