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reminder if you or someone you know is facing a crisis, you can call the national suicide prevention crisis lifeline at 988, that's 24/7. the news continues. errol burnett out front starts now. a special edition of out front next, president biden ready to announce he's ready to run again. why it has everything to do with ron desantis. plus, why a special election that flipped control of the pennsylvania house of representatives is giving democrats across the country a reason to celebrate, something you should be watching. and biden going after the chinese president xi jinping by name, china responding tonight. we're going to go live to beijing. let's go out front. good evening and welcome to a special edition of out front. i'm erin burnett. it's biden versus desantis. the president is heading to florida tomorrow and he has his sights set in large part of the
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state's governor. this is new reporting from phil mattingly, and it comes as biden is expected to announce his own run for re-election. in an interview with pbs's judy woodruff he took the question about his age head on. listen to what he said. >> you'd be 82 the date of the next election, 86 if you're successful and elected and finish that term. does it give you any concern? >> watch me. that's all i can say. look, i'm a great respect er of fate. i would be completely thoroughly honest with the american people if i thought there was any health problem, anything that would keep me from being able to do the job. >> reporter: let's go straight to phil mattingly at the white house. you've got new reporting today about why biden is going to campaign in desantis's state, and some really fascinating insight into how he sees florida. >> reporter: yeah, there's two real primary reasons why this is one of the early post-state of
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the union travel destinations for the presidents. the message and the foil. to some degree, the foils. the message, you saw it last night live and in person, and the exchange that the president had back and forth with republicans off script on the issue of medicare and social security. you talk to white house advisers, they make clear, there are no two issues that pop more in their polling than defending medicare and social security. no state where that's more important given the scale of the population that's over the age of 65, and no state with two politicians that represent the contrast that the biden administration, the president personally wants to detail that ron desantis the governor, and rick scott, the senator from florida who he was citing last night in that speech. as one official put it to me, we want this fight. we realish this fight. that fight is going to be brought to the table by the president as you saw in the state of the union, as you saw in wisconsin. take a look at the travel of the vice president and the president in these first two days. one state is not like the other. the president going to wisconsin, then florida.
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the vice president going to georgia and then minnesota. three of those four states are critical to any electoral path for the president in 2024. florida is not one of them, and white house officials are candid when they say they're not expecting it to swing dramatically back toward democrats given the way it's gone over the course of the last couple of cycles. but they know that this is a perfect place to lay out that message on social security and medicare, and to have foils as one white house official put it to me. we like foils. there are no better foils in politics than ron desantis and rick scott. when you talk to white house officials, they make clear florida is not necessarily a political winner for them, but on the message and on the actual politicians, they believe it is. that's why he's going down there. when you talk to them about what happened last night, the back and forth with republicans, as one official put it to me, we didn't plan for that, but republicans walked right into the trap, chaos and extremes. i asked if that's how they viewed desantis and senator scott. they said the most chaos, the most extreme, erin. >> phil mattingly, thank you very much with that reporting. and margaret hoover, harry e
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enten, what's interesting is biden's going to florida, i hear the recording on the foils. fascinating in the world we live in over the past decades giving up on winning florida. >> yeah, and look this is democrats recognizing that it has slipped away from them, and that is largely the fault of indi democrats in the state. dysfunction in the florida democrat party is indicative of the weakness they need to watch out for. i think it's a mistake to consider ron desantis and rick scott your perfect foils. desantis matches up -- is a bigger problem for joe biden than say a matchup on a presidential level potentially with donald trump. rick scott we saw last night policy wise take it all day long. he's not a really sympathetic figure. they should be trying to peel off florida. the fact that florida slipped away from democrats is a problem for them they need to be dealing
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with. >> it's interesting that they will admit this. they're not coming out publicly and saying that. they're saying we know we're not going to win it. it's the message we're trying to make, which is fascinating when you've got the senior population of florida, you think the message works, but you're giving up on the state. >> florida democrats put a lot of money in the val demings campaign. there are a number of factors working against them. there's been a lot of migration into the state by venezuelans and others who are sort of refugees from socialism who have been sort of targeted with the message that democrats are social iss. it's just like the country that you fled, and it's kind of run out of control so that's it's not just refugees and second and third generation cubans, now venez venezuelans, nicaraguans, and miami-dade is no longer as reliably blue. >> which is fascinating. president biden asked if he's going to run, and he's still making it clear that's my intention, but i haven't yet decided. here's something else he said to
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judy woodruff about that. >> it sounds like you're running? >> i haven't made that decision. that's my intention, i think, but i haven't made that decision firmly. >> he's been using that word intention for a while. it's strategic, it's pointed. he clearly wants to run. he's trying to take the best interests of the country and his party. i think it's clear he wants to run. he wants to do it. it's working well for him. he has -- he wants to finish the job. this is a message he tested last night. finish the job. but he clearly wants to, look, going to florida is a gutsy move. florida is a red state. let's just be really honest. it has been red for the last -- i know, i know. >> it's moved. >> i've got the pollsters here. let's be honest, this is a basically a red state. he's going to florida to
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campaign, he's playing offense. that demonstrates a degree of vitality from an 80-year-old incumbent president. it demonstrates that -- we'll see thuhow it goes. >> in this context, desantis, he has his message. you talk about whether he's a foil, certainly would be a formidable candidate it seems. we haven't really seen a lot of him outside of florida yet. >> true he has made the whole issue of social policies and woke the center of his existence. today it was the florida house billings really giving desantis a chance to run disney. i'm shortchanging it. that's what he wants to do in florida. here's desantis today. >> disney is sgoing to pay its fair share of taxes and disney is going to honor the debt. this is obviously now going to be controlled by the state of florida, which is no longer self-governing for them. so there's a new sheriff in town, and that's just the way it's going to be.
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>> he's the sheriff, right? sheriff desantis. >> sheriff desantis. he loves the culture war. >> yeah. >> how is that working for him? >> i mean the fact that we're talking about it. the fact that he's made himself a recognize named not just in florida gives him an idea i feel is working for him. we can look at the issue of education. we can look at the idea that he's running, and says i'm done with the woke educators. he doesn't want critical race theory being taught in schools. if we look at the polling nationally and say are americans satisfied or dissatisfied with the state, most americans say they're dissatisfied, and the vast majority of republicans say they're dissatisfied at this particular point. if we look particularly at critical race theory, whatever that exactly means, right, but he's going to run at it, if you say okay, do you believe that critical race theory should be taught in schools, what do we see? we see that the majority, in fact, far less than a majority
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of americans say that critical race theory -- look at this, 39% of all voters. 16% of republicans. >> the key point here is that critical race theory is not taught in public schools. >> all of a sudden the truth matters in politics? >> yes, the troouth matters in politics. here's where there's a blind spot. it does poll well. and desantis was reelected by 20 points. he's doing something right not only with the republican base but within what previously had been a swing state of florida. i don't want to take the issue off the table. you've got to add the context and say just because you disapprove of critical race theory, it matters that it is not naught grade school. >> i want to be really clear. there is a rift within the republican party and the conservative movement about what is the appropriate place for government to play in the context of corporations and private business. and ron desantis is on one side of this. he had his entire legislature
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enact a punitive measure against a corporation, a job provider in his state. >> big one. >> there are republicans like nikki haley and asa hutchinson and chris christie and others who think that is absolutely not the role that the republican party should play. >> fwd. >> when you consider that they're going to now reach into the classroom, the elementary school classrooms, high school classrooms. when you consider the amount of censorship of books that's going on, a lot of bad stuff coming out of tallahassee, who's the last president who got elected based on banning books or attacking gays or running any of these extremist programs. it's really not necessarily a winner. it may get him started, but as a winner for the whole country, i don't see it. >> one thing that is happening, you've got biden going, and you heard phil's reporting. you don't want desantis as a foil. i'll tell you who wants to be the foil for biden. >> desantis. >> he wants to slam trump and not use his name. listen to what he had to say
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about biden. >> and i'll also just say this, i spend my time delivering results for the people of florida and fighting against joe biden. that's how i spend my time. i don't spend my time trying to smear other republicans. >> i mean, look, obviously desantis wants to be in the same sentence as joe biden. he wants to say i'm the opposite of joe biden, and, therefore -- >> it's him versus me, forget the primary, right? this is exactly what he wants. >> that is the oldest play in the book, and of course he wants to all of a sudden invoke the 11th commandment of ronald reagan and avoid any direct conflict with donald trump. that's not to his advantage in a prospective primary. >> good luck with that. >> in a strange way he's doing donald trump's work for him, right? he's trying to be the guy who's fighting trump, who's fighting the opposition. he's fighting biden, he's going to do it instead of trump. therefore he is the inheriter. >> our conversation continues after this. president biden also spoke to
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judy on the investigations into his son hunter. >> it's the only thing they can do is make up things about my family, it's not going to go very far. >> and twitter executives grilled on capitol hill today, we'll tell you why. plus, embattled congressman and serial liar george santos firing back at mitt romney after romney scolded santos face-to-face at the state of the union.n. did you know that liberty mutual custo— ♪ liberty mutual. ♪ ♪ only pay for what y you need. ♪ ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ ♪ custom home insurance created for you all. ♪ ♪ now the song is done ♪ ♪ back to living in your wall. ♪ they're just gonna live in there? ♪ yes. ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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anew tonight, president bidn saying the republicans plan to investigate his son and other members of his family won't go anywhere and will only backfire with the american people. here's that clip. >> one of the things republicans say is a priority for them is investigating your family, your son hunter, your brother, jim. they talk about access that they say others have gotten because of you, because of your political success. how do you plan to deal with that? >> the public's not going to paying attention to that. they want these guys to do something. that's the only thing they can do is make up things about my family, it's not going to go very far. >> so she's talking about the investigations into hunter biden, the classified documents also came up and in that context he said it was some stray documents, no there there. >> look, i think that interview the experts were seeing raises a couple of issues.
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there's that issue of vigor, he was amped up last night, he was feisty. that is that asmr biden we hear sometimes, very understated. as it comes to saying the american people aren't going to care about investigations into hunter biden, i think the republicans have a long history of overplaying their hands when it comes to obsessions. that said, first of all, you know, it's true people make a mistake if they don't think about the policies that impact people, but he should not gloss over the legitimate questions that exist about why hunter biden was being paid so much money by companies when his father was vice president. and -- >> to do so little. >> to do so little. that is not in the realm of obsession or conspiracy theory. they're legitimate questions and there will be answers. there may be nothing. there may be ethical questions but not legal questions, but they shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. >> that's the question when she said the first part of her question, and i thought she really put it out there so well. when you talk about access, they say others have gotten because of you and your political success. right? she wasn't saying corruption. she wasn't saying -- she was
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just pointing at sort of the basic the obvious. >> right, she's asking in a reasonable way. the republicans in that trumped up committee are literally trumped up, are not sasking in reasonable way. the questions are made in utterly bad faith, they're about the past and not the future. this is a talking point that has run amuck. they're mad somehow that it didn't take off, it didn't do what they had hoped it would do for the trump campaign to sort of neutralize his first impeachment or sort of make it seem like everybody down here does this. it's the past. i mean, american families, i think the president is exactly right about this. they're concerned about getting new sneakers for their kid. they're thinking about their next promotion. they want their kids to go to college. they want to buy a house that they can afford. they are absolutely not concerned about a talking point from the 2020 election. >> and that said, i do think there are super reasonable thoughtful questions about what
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a vice president's son had access to, what deals he had access to, what business opportunities he had access to. >> they show the hatlf nanked pictures of him, they can't control themselves. >> and then there's what you're being paid $50,000 a month to do. >> there are real questions about what opportunities hunter biden had in the context of his business because he was the vice president's son that other people wouldn't have had, and there's a transparency question. the th there's a transparency issue that the american people deserve to know. maybe the far edge of the right wing of the republicans are going to take advantage of that, but regular, ordinary americans don't have access to these kind of privileges, and they ought to be able to figure out what the answer is. >> if they have the discipline somehow to stick to the facts and stick to the issues that matter, they might get something s somewhere with it. i don't see that happening. >> harry, do you see this as an
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issue that has any staying power in the middle. you're going to see the republ republicans do what they do. it's whether this issue has any play on the swayable vote. >> >> i just don't buy it to be perfectly honest with you. we've had this script a little bit at the end of 2020. now obviously there have been some new revelations since then. >> fair. >> but the fact is that i got to agree with my man errol here, voters care about the economy. they care about putting food on the table. they care about the praise of gas that they're putting into their car. they cared far brief moment about the withdrawal from afghanistan, which is when biden's decline really sort of accelerated back in 2021, but i have not seen any poll -- and i look at a lot of polls -- that suggests that hunter biden is anywhere near the top of any real voter's list, at least in the middle, in terms of most important. >> in terms of the overall world we're in, you saw the midterms not go the away republicans
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expected, no red wave. now there's things people may not be watching. democrats securing control of the pennsylvania state house last night. this is a state that could have had a republican state house, election denier governor, election denier secretary of state, a you will of it, and itt go that way. you say the special elections we're seeing, pennsylvania being first and foremost may really matter. >> look, if you look, there's so far been nine special elections since the beginning of 2023. and if you compare what's occurred in those nine special elections in virginia, georgia, and of course pennsylvania, you compare it to the 2020 baseline, what we see is that democrat are doing one point better compared to biden's 2020 margin, and of course biden won the presidency. the fact that they're at least keeping up with that marge. >> widening the win. >> gives you an understanding and more than that, pennsylvania, right, what we saw in 2022 was you look at pennsylvania, you look at michigan, you look at wisconsin. the three states that voted for obama in 2012, and voted for trump in 2016, and biden in
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2020, look at how those races went for governor. all democrats, senate split, but four of the five key races went for democrats. so that i think gives you an indication of where this country is. you would expect it to be far more republican given how low joe biden's approval rating is. >> we're talking about biden making a decision and how long he's going to drag it out or delay it and strategically decide to announce his decision. does the special election, does that mane anything for the next presidential election? >> i think we can look at that last midterm election. i think it gifves you a pretty good indication that special elections can be a leading indicator. afro v. wade w-- before then the leaning much more republican compared to the 2020 baseline while after them they land much more democratic compared to the 2020 baseline. you can see on your screen, six points before dobbs was
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implemented, six points better for democrats than biden did after, the special election not too bad for democrats. it's a pretty good indicator for them. >> you've got to pay attention to the state legislators. democrats lost real ground. this is where redistricting starts creeping in. these are laboratories of democracy or laboratories of autocracy, to quote david pepper. the fact that the keystone is swinging democrat is a big deal. it's not acting as a typical counterweight and harry is right. >> it explains what we saw in the speech last night, the president harping over and over and over again on the industrial jobs. on the 20,000 infrastructure projects that he's going to take credit for. that's what brings home the bacon. that's what he has been focused on from the very beginning, and that what we're going to see in the run up to 2024. >> final word, margaret. >> look, i think what we're going to see is president biden
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affirmatively announcing his re-election. i think you're going to see republicans do exactly what you expect, what we see in ron desantis. the final word is that there has been a conventional wisdom that has counted donald trump out, and donald trump is still a factor here in the republican party that is too easy for commentators to forget about especially in this moment. >> thank you all very much. and next, george santos firing back at mitt romney who told him directly that he doesn't belong in congress. santos's fellow house members prepare a resolution to having him expelled. will it work? plus, an unlikely critic of woke politics, why new york city's democratic mayor worries about the fate of his party. i owe john avlon for the heads-up on this one. credit where credit is due. is he alone? we'll be back.
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tonight we are learning a resolution to expel congressman george santos has been drafted. indicates in congress are introducing this tomorrow, but it is not expected to be brought for a floor vote. as of right now, speaker mccarthy stands by the embattled congressman. santos is firing back at senator mitt romney after the senator told him at last night's state of the union that he did not belong in congress. >> it's not the first time in history that i've been told to shut up and go to the back of the room, especially by people who come from a privileged background, and it's not going to be the last, and i'm noever going to shut up and go to the back of the room. i think test rep rehenceable, it wasn't very mormon of him.
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>> richie torrez of new york, he is among those who filed the house ethics complaint against santos and he's cosponsoring this resolution to expel him from congress. i know you're going to be announcing this resolution tomorrow with your fellow democrats, why have you decided to take this step now? >>. >> well my colleague bobby garcia from california is leading a coalition of members including dan goldman, myself and others to introduce legislation to expel george santos. senator mitt romney spoke for the majority of americans, he spoke for democrats and republicans when he denounced george santos as a sick puppy. there's something sick about a man who lies about struggling with brain cancer, who lies about his mother dying on 9/11. who lies about his employees dying in a shooting. lies about his ancestors surviving the holocaust. he has defrauded the voters of new york state, it's time for him to be held accountable.
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>> speaker mccarthy of course is still sticking by santos saying he's waiting for the ethics committee. he's refused to call for him to step down, despite the many lies you reference some of them, right, that have been uncovered over the past several weeks. many of these are just simply lies, right? they're absolute lies, separate from other investigations that are now ongoing into whether there's real legal culpability on other things. do you think santos is in congress to stay at this point if mccarthy doesn't change his view? >> well t appears that mr. santos is intent on clinging on for as long as he can. his only reason to remain in office is to maintain leverage for a plea bargain in the event of a criminal prosecution. these are not simply lies. like he won his congressional seat under fundamentally false pretenses. more egregious than his pathological lying is his law breaking. he violated house ethics. he violated campaign finance
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law. he violated securities law. there is ample evidence to justify his removal from congress, and the fact that he resigned from his committees presumably under pressure from kevin mccarthy is an admission of guilt. >> certainly under that pressure, so we'll see what mccarthy will do as this moves forward. i do want to ask you before you go, congressman about something the new york mayor, eric adams said today. we've been talking about president biden's likely announcement that he'll be running again. mayor adams is blaming woke democrats for pushing away some voters. he got really specific about it. i wanted to play it for you. >> there's a hemorrhaging of our latino community, our aapi communities leaving the traditional democratic base is because we've allowed the loudest and those who consider themselves to be woke, some of us never went to sleep, and we hear and speak directly to
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people. >> so you know, in the 2020 election, 2022 election, i'm sorry, democrats won latino men by eight points. that was down 21 points from 2018. democrats dropped 14 points with latina women, right? this is what he's talking about in terms of the hemorrhaging. do you free with the mayor as to the reasons that he's talking about the woke setting the democratic agenda? >> i mean, i do acknowledge there has been a loss of support among latinos and members of the asian community. keep in mind, some of those patterns are historical. if i remember correctly, george w. bush when he ran for president in 2004 won 40% of the latino vote, so the latino community has never been a monolith. it's an ideologically varied community, and that's a pattern that has held for decades, well before we knew of the term wokeness. >> i appreciate your time, congressman torrez, thank you. >> of course. also tonight, house
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republicans are kicking their -- kicking off their fight with hunter biden. the oversight committee is holding a hearing, and that is where former twitter executives admitted that the company made a mistake by suppresses a new york post story about the contents of hunter biden's laptop in 2020. they testified that the federal government had no influence on their decision to do that. here's the clip. >> i believe twitter erred in this case because we wanted to avoid repeating the mistakes of 2016. >> i am aware of no unlawful collusion with or direction from any government agency or political campaign on how twitter should have handled the hunter biden laptop situation. >> okay. so saying no government involvement or pressure, but despite that testimony under oath, republicans continued to claim without any evidence that the fbi was behind us. >> many americans did not know about it because of a coordinated cover-up by big tech, the swamp, and mainstream news. >> twitters basically a
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subsidiary of the fbi. >> i think you feisguys wanted take it down. i think you guys got played by the fbi. >> a heated hearing as you could see, basically a subsidiary of the fbi despite the under oath testimony to the contrary. this just foreshadows many of the fireworks, the clashes that are kind of come on this committee. they now have it. they've got the gavel, and they're going to use it to investigate president biden and his family. >> yeah, and look, i mean, i think today was a really missed opportunity because what you heard there about twitter being a subsidiary of the fbi, what we actually saw in the so-called twitter files kind of selectively released internal documents and emails from twitter is a lot of pushback from twitter employees, including some of those people who testified today when they were getting requests, which we're learning, by the way, from both sides, both political parties saying we're not going to take this down. and when they were getting
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emails, content that was being flagged by the fbi, the fbi specifically as far as we can see did not say twitter you need to take this down, but they were fla flagging content, twitter also pushing back. look, i think there are real questions to answer here about how these platforms could -- or if they should at all be working with governments. i mean, the whole reason that the fbi was talking to twitter in the first place was because of all that russian interference in 2016. the feeling was that everybody kind of missed the ball on that. but there was none of that discussion today. what we also heard of course was from democrats who were pointing out that the whole premise and parts of the "new york post" hunter biden story, that infamous story were false. have a listen. >> that is false. 100% false. >> is the gentleman sure about that? >> yes. in fact, i am sure about that, and as the lead counsel in the first impeachment investigation,
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we proved that he was actually fired because he was not prosecuting corruption -- >> would the gentleman yield, corruption of the president's son's company? >> i'd like to reclaim my time. >> gentleman's recognized. >> so we're going to be seeing a lot of that, i guess. but look, i mean, despite the fact there are parts of the story that were false, twitter executives themselves today admitted that the company shouldn't have blocked the story in the way they did it, but we have not seen evidence that the fbi directed them to do so, which is the basis of why this hearing -- >> of sort of the corruption allegations. okay. so what did twitter executives say about requests from the trump white house to take down posts? because what's interesting is when you have a republican saying, okay, the government's trying to direct it. the government's doing this, well, requests come from elected officials and administrations on both sides all the time. >> yes, this is -- all we've
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heard so far through these so-c so-called twitter files is how democrats are badgering twitter, saying you need tyake down this and this, it's misinformation, disinformation. what we learned today from one former twitter employee who testified under oath who was working at twitter at the time, said back in 2019, she learned from a supervisor at twitter that the trump white house requested this chrissy teigen tweet to be taken down. i think we can show it to you on the screen. first i should point out that donald trump took a pop at chrissy teigen saying musician john legend and his filthy mouthed wife, it goes on. chr chrissy teigen responded in kind with some words there they told me i'm not allowed to say on tv. apparently the white house took exception to this, contacted twitter, said you need to take a look at this and you guys should take this down, and twitter didn't take it down.
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the trump -- cnn has reached out to the trump team. we haven't heard back from them. but look, you know, free speech, censorship, all of this. >> huge questions. huge questions, and everybody wants to secensor what they don like. brand new information on what the u.s. knew about the chai chinese spy balloon before it entered u.s. air space. why defense officials chose not to act right then and the moment an official says things got strange. plus a couple finds out their unborn baby has a fatal condition. they have to get an abortion to save the mother's life, but it's against the law in the state of ohio. you will hear their powerful and heartbreaking story next. qulipta® gets right to work. in a 3 3-month study, qulipta® significantly reduced monthly migraine days... ...and the majority of people reduced them by 50 to 100%. qulipta® blocks cgrp-- a protein believed to be a cause of migraines. qulipta® is a preventive treatment for episodic migraine. most common side effects are nausea,
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new tonight, the u.s. military failed to flag an early warning about the chinese spy balloon as an urgent matter as it headed towards the united states. sources say top defense and intelligence official who is saw the internal alert on january 27th weren't immediately alarmed by it. the urgency insides military did not change until the spy balloon moved over alaska and headed on a path towards the continental u.s. that's when fighter jets were scrambled. all of this news after president biden called out xi jinping during the state of the union address. >> let's be clear, winning a
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competition should unite all of us. we face serious challenges across the world, but in the past two years democracies have become stronger, not weaker. autocracies have grown weaker not stronger. name me a world leader who'd change places with xi jinping, name me one. name me one. >> selina wang is out front in beijing. selina, pretty incredible, the passion, the force behind that, pointing and how was that seen by xi jinping and the chinese government? what's the response? >> yeah, erin, i mean, that was probably one of the most fiery parts of the speech. he was practically shouting by the end of it, and beijing's response to the speech has been that the u.s. is smearing china under the, quote, pretext of competition, and so really in addition to directly calling out xi jinping, biden had also really underscored this rhetoric that autocracies have grown
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weaker around the world and we've seen his administration pose this challenge of autocracies versus democracies. china's minister of foreign affairs also said they don't want the entire u.s. china relationship defined by competition. from beijing's perspective, that speech underscores their view america is trying to keep china down and contain its rise. they really see biden as building on top of former president donald trump's harsher stance on china. they've seen the biden administration drop these broad new laws and policies that challenge china's influence. for instance, those sweeping restrictions from the biden administration that chokes off china's access to advance computer chips and stronger alliances between the u.s. and other countries that they see as anti-china. also during a speech, biden talked about investing in semiconductor production at home, bringing back supply chains. beijing accused the u.s. of un undermining global supply chains. >> thank you very much. i want to go to the retired army lieutenant general mark
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hurtling. continue text around all this new reporting we're getting on the spy balloon, i guess for lack of a better word program of china. the state department confirming today this chinese surveillance program extends far beyond the united states. what more can you tell us about it? >> well, you know, first, erin, i'll go back to what you said at the very beginning about the military failing to flag the balloon going over alaska as an urgent matter. i'm not sure i agree with that. the tipper that some of our reporters talked about in a recent article in dot com talked about information that was provided to the command about this balloon coming across the aleutians and going into africa. i hate to do this to you, erin, but i'll give you a hierarchy of military information and organizations. there is an organization called alaska command. it's near anchorage actually, and they have responsibility as part of northern command, the command that eventually shot down this balloon of kind of
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guarding the coastline. they have an air force base with 11 airports there. they have 18 different radar stations. so when a balloon like that comes over, they're going to tip on it and send that into defense intelligence agency so it goes out in something that i as a commander and all other commanders get on a daily basis called a black book. and until something becomes important, you don't do anything about it. the military has a phrase called o and r, observe and report. if there's a danger associated with something, you do something about it. when you're just observing it and tracking it, and they had fine control of it as it moved across alaska and then into canada, a different nation in coordination with canada, then into the united states, i think that's when it started to rise to the level that the joint chief of staffs heard about the intelligence and then the president eventually did. >> right, and of course now they know the signature of it. it appears that this had happened multiple times before. i'm sure there's a lot of questions being asked right now.
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and one of the ways that they're going to get some answers perhaps is by seeing the payload which landed off the south carolina coast when they took it down. we understand that the u.s. military has recovered most of the debris now from the surface. they're now going to the underwater wreckage to get everything they can. that's the whole point, if you're going to take it down, you want any information you're able to get. what are you hearing about what we might learn about the balloon's capability from what's now sitting at the bottom of the ocean? >> yeah, i'm hearing we're learning a lot. of course i have to comment that i don't have classified clearance anymore, but i am hearing from some of my friends in the navy and the air force, and they're talking about the kinds of things they're finding. so not only was this balloon jammed and tracked across the united states, so it could not collect data, but the data collectors it did have on board were really looking at electronic surveillance and signal surveillance, and it was a big platform, but it was jammed the entire time it was going across the united states.
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so we learned a lot about what it was trying to report back to china. also the fact that it certainly was not a weather balloon. but as we collect the data from the ocean familiar off the coast of the carolinas, i think we're going to learn a whole lot more about the equipment that the chinese use. and by the way, this gave us a whole lot of information on a lot of the other balloons that they're using in other areas of the world to include and most importantly taiwan. >> absolutely. thank you so much, and for sharing all that new information. much appreciated. >> pleasure. and after this, an emotional story, no matter how you feel about abortion rights, you're going to see a family sharing the tragic decision that it had to make, the long journey to do it when help could have been aufd offered much closer toto hem. that's next. even made some themselves.s. makes you wonder...
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an ohio couple on journey they would not wish on any other family. their unborn child was diagnosed with a deadly condition, would not survive. a mother's health was also in jeopardy but ohio's strict anti-abortion laws meant they could not get an abortion in their home state. elizabeth cohen is out front. >> reporter: it was a long road to pennsylvania where beth and kyle long said good-bye to their baby daughter, star. the road began in columbus, ohio, where beth and kyle met and married. excited to start a family they tried for more than four years spending more than $45,000 on fertility treatments. finally beth became pregnant with a baby girl they nicknamed star. at four months star looked great. >> whoo, i'm going to have your
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baby! >> reporter: but then on january 4th kyle wrote in hir journal beth received bad test results. the doctors thought the baby had spina bifida. we are prepared to raise a child with any disabilities. but it wasn't spina bifida. most of star's organs were outside her body. doctors delivered the devastating news. it was fatal. >> she had something, it's very rare. most of her internal organs spilled out, and a hole in her abdomen and were impegsed in the placenta. >> reporter: kyle wrote in his journal the doctor's condition stated it was not compatible with her life and because of star's condition beth had an increased chance of bleeding during an abortion and might possibly need a hysterectomy.
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>> the bigger she gets the more complicated it was going to be so time was of the essence. >> reporter: but because of this ohio lawthy the longs couldn't move in a timely way. there's an exception for when the life of the mother is endanger, but beth's life wasn't in imminent danger and she says her insurance company refused to cover the procedure which would cost 20 to $30,000. a spokesman for her workplace which owns the insurance plan says they will continue to comply with the law while providing exceptional patient care. after three weeks the longs were finally able to schedule an abortion at a hospital in pennsylvania that would give them a discounted rate. beth and kyle brought with them baby dresses beth had knit. and they said good-bye to their daughter cor delia poppy star long. in mid-january kyle reach out to the ohio governor and the u.s.
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senator jd vance who opposed abortion. he wrote we loved our baby girl and would have done anything to keep her. ohio laws prevent grieving parents from the health care they need. kyle says he never received responses. spokesmen saying they plan to respond to kyle's e-mail. the law banning insurance paying for abortions was enacted before -- a grief counselor took this picture to help them remember her. >> i was in mental anguish because i love her. >> now, beth and kyle want other families who might be in this situation want others to know there are resources to help them get the health care that they need. now they are recovering -- beth is recovering from the procedure, and they hope to
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start fertility treatments as soon as they can to finally start their family. erin? >> thank you so much. such a horrible story no matter how you feel about that issue. thank you so much for that reporting, elizabeth. and thanks so much to all of you for being with us. "cnn tonight" " with alison c camerota is next. noom helped jan unlearn the old ways of losing weight. matthew learned why he was eating. and gary figured out that... actually, i'll l him say it weight loss arts with this. noom used psychology to help them lose a combined 120 pound what noom provided was a better understanding for me of why i had seen food the way i had all my life. and that's a very powerful moment. keep up the great work gang. lose weight and make it last with noom weight.
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